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	<title>Comments on: Pistons achieving best case for season, not surprisingly, has a lot to do with Brandon Knight and Andre Drummond</title>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/10/pistons-realizing-best-case-for-season-not-surprisingly-has-a-lot-to-do-with-brandon-knight-and-andre-drummond/comment-page-1/#comment-90271</link>
		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several reasons for the Josh Smith talk, mostly because he is seen as one of the best FAs likely to actually consider switching teams and because, for a number of reasons, he has long been on Pistons fans&#039; radar.

I am just one of the commenters on this site who would like to see the Pistons make a run for Smoove, so obviously I can&#039;t speak for all of them. But I would not want Dumars to offer Smith a max contract. Something more in the range of $12M/yr seems reasonable, but not the max. Also, it is worth keeping in mind that either with max dollars or around what I proposed, under the current CBA, the deal would only run 4 years. If I were a betting man, I&#039;d put money on Smith starting to decline in the last year of that deal, but that his production would not fall off a cliff for another season or three.

As for the positional concerns, I wouldn&#039;t get too hung up on those. You need at least three guys in your frontcourt rotation anyway. I do believe that Smith could play well as a SF. But he is best suited to the PF. It would seem that you believe his contributions would suffer more than I believe they would by spending much time at the SF. But that is immaterial, because, even if he is spending just 10 min/gm there (and if he were on the Pistons, I&#039;d expect him to play SF 10-20 min/gm), that already allows Monroe, Drummond, and Smith to each get over 35 minutes. And that is if everyone stays healthy. If one of them is injured, the roles of the other two expand further.

Also, I love what I&#039;m seeing from Drummond. But, as I have yet to see it in the regular season, I&#039;m not yet quite ready to call him a sure thing to be a long-term part of the core. But let&#039;s say he is. And for some strange reason Smith, Monroe, and Drummond don&#039;t mesh well. Guess what? All three guys would have plenty of interest around the league and I&#039;m sure a trade could be struck.

Finally, if the Pistons need another big time piece for their core, who do you recommend? Obviously, if the Pistons threw max deals at Howard and Paul and one of them took it, that&#039;s be awesome. But short of those two, the FA crop isn&#039;t overwhelmingly strong. Millsap and Jefferson probably have more compatibility issues than Smoove. Iguodala would be nice but he seems less likely to move than Smith. Most other good FAs will be RFAs meaning Dumars would definitely have to overpay to get them (as opposed to guys like Smith who he might have to overpay to get). Of those RFAs, the ones with much interest to Pistons fans tend to be Harden (who Houston would definitely match any offer to) and Paul George. I don&#039;t think George is worth a max deal, but I wouldn&#039;t be enraged about his being extended one (again because of the just 4 years). I also don&#039;t know if Indiana would match that, but I&#039;m leaning toward the idea that they would. So that leaves the hope that financial distress forces Memphis or Indiana to dump Gay or Granger and that they get no better offers than just expiring contracts and maybe Jerebko/first round pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several reasons for the Josh Smith talk, mostly because he is seen as one of the best FAs likely to actually consider switching teams and because, for a number of reasons, he has long been on Pistons fans&#8217; radar.</p>
<p>I am just one of the commenters on this site who would like to see the Pistons make a run for Smoove, so obviously I can&#8217;t speak for all of them. But I would not want Dumars to offer Smith a max contract. Something more in the range of $12M/yr seems reasonable, but not the max. Also, it is worth keeping in mind that either with max dollars or around what I proposed, under the current CBA, the deal would only run 4 years. If I were a betting man, I&#8217;d put money on Smith starting to decline in the last year of that deal, but that his production would not fall off a cliff for another season or three.</p>
<p>As for the positional concerns, I wouldn&#8217;t get too hung up on those. You need at least three guys in your frontcourt rotation anyway. I do believe that Smith could play well as a SF. But he is best suited to the PF. It would seem that you believe his contributions would suffer more than I believe they would by spending much time at the SF. But that is immaterial, because, even if he is spending just 10 min/gm there (and if he were on the Pistons, I&#8217;d expect him to play SF 10-20 min/gm), that already allows Monroe, Drummond, and Smith to each get over 35 minutes. And that is if everyone stays healthy. If one of them is injured, the roles of the other two expand further.</p>
<p>Also, I love what I&#8217;m seeing from Drummond. But, as I have yet to see it in the regular season, I&#8217;m not yet quite ready to call him a sure thing to be a long-term part of the core. But let&#8217;s say he is. And for some strange reason Smith, Monroe, and Drummond don&#8217;t mesh well. Guess what? All three guys would have plenty of interest around the league and I&#8217;m sure a trade could be struck.</p>
<p>Finally, if the Pistons need another big time piece for their core, who do you recommend? Obviously, if the Pistons threw max deals at Howard and Paul and one of them took it, that&#8217;s be awesome. But short of those two, the FA crop isn&#8217;t overwhelmingly strong. Millsap and Jefferson probably have more compatibility issues than Smoove. Iguodala would be nice but he seems less likely to move than Smith. Most other good FAs will be RFAs meaning Dumars would definitely have to overpay to get them (as opposed to guys like Smith who he might have to overpay to get). Of those RFAs, the ones with much interest to Pistons fans tend to be Harden (who Houston would definitely match any offer to) and Paul George. I don&#8217;t think George is worth a max deal, but I wouldn&#8217;t be enraged about his being extended one (again because of the just 4 years). I also don&#8217;t know if Indiana would match that, but I&#8217;m leaning toward the idea that they would. So that leaves the hope that financial distress forces Memphis or Indiana to dump Gay or Granger and that they get no better offers than just expiring contracts and maybe Jerebko/first round pick.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/10/pistons-realizing-best-case-for-season-not-surprisingly-has-a-lot-to-do-with-brandon-knight-and-andre-drummond/comment-page-1/#comment-90268</link>
		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The downside to adding a big time player via trade is that, unless that player is on a terrible Joe-Johnson-esque deal, big time assets will have to be surrendered to acquire the player. Teams aren&#039;t just trading away even aging stars (like Pierce or Nash) for nothing/expiring contracts, much less very good players who almost certainly have several productive years left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The downside to adding a big time player via trade is that, unless that player is on a terrible Joe-Johnson-esque deal, big time assets will have to be surrendered to acquire the player. Teams aren&#8217;t just trading away even aging stars (like Pierce or Nash) for nothing/expiring contracts, much less very good players who almost certainly have several productive years left.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 03:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that everyone loves the thought of a Knight Stuckey Jerebko Monroe Drummond starting five, but I think JJ&#039;s true value is at the backup 4. With Singlers 3 pt shooting and classic &quot;glue guy&quot; overall skills I would be content if he played just as many minutes as Tay. Singler would be a very valuable asset off the bench once we have a dynamic scoring 3. I actually like Middleton over English. I don&#039;t see English becoming the next Afflalo even though I&#039;d love it. I agree with you, a distributing backup PG is essential and I&#039;ve never been a fan of Bynum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that everyone loves the thought of a Knight Stuckey Jerebko Monroe Drummond starting five, but I think JJ&#8217;s true value is at the backup 4. With Singlers 3 pt shooting and classic &#8220;glue guy&#8221; overall skills I would be content if he played just as many minutes as Tay. Singler would be a very valuable asset off the bench once we have a dynamic scoring 3. I actually like Middleton over English. I don&#8217;t see English becoming the next Afflalo even though I&#8217;d love it. I agree with you, a distributing backup PG is essential and I&#8217;ve never been a fan of Bynum.</p>
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		<title>By: TheDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 02:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, and clear up all the expiring deals, and guys with no business on this team. We can essentially free up the bench for people like Singler, JJ, and English, Slava and a backup PG to make it 10 regular guys in the rotation. Middleton could beat out English, I&#039;m not sure if they are both going to make it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, and clear up all the expiring deals, and guys with no business on this team. We can essentially free up the bench for people like Singler, JJ, and English, Slava and a backup PG to make it 10 regular guys in the rotation. Middleton could beat out English, I&#8217;m not sure if they are both going to make it. </p>
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		<title>By: TheDude</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/10/pistons-realizing-best-case-for-season-not-surprisingly-has-a-lot-to-do-with-brandon-knight-and-andre-drummond/comment-page-1/#comment-90146</link>
		<dc:creator>TheDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 02:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly, and I wish more people could see this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly, and I wish more people could see this</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 01:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the Pistons will be best served to add a playmaker/fring all star via trade than overpay for either Josh Smith or Paul Millsap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the Pistons will be best served to add a playmaker/fring all star via trade than overpay for either Josh Smith or Paul Millsap</p>
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		<title>By: TheDude</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/10/pistons-realizing-best-case-for-season-not-surprisingly-has-a-lot-to-do-with-brandon-knight-and-andre-drummond/comment-page-1/#comment-90131</link>
		<dc:creator>TheDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. I keep hearing Josh Smith talk. The thing is people, when trading expiring contracts you can get someone who makes more sense for this team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I keep hearing Josh Smith talk. The thing is people, when trading expiring contracts you can get someone who makes more sense for this team.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t seem to understand the reasoning behind signing Josh Smith. Many pistons fans including myself see Drummond and Monroe as the future in the front court. Why sign him to a max contract that becomes a liability in the last couple of years because his game is based on pure athleticism and that will go downhill after he reaches his 30&#039;s. the pistons do not need to invest max contract money into the frontcourt. As most haves have noted star power on the wings, hopefully at the 3, is the biggest need and Josh Smith&#039;s skill set isn&#039;t suited to play 30+ minutes a night at SF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t seem to understand the reasoning behind signing Josh Smith. Many pistons fans including myself see Drummond and Monroe as the future in the front court. Why sign him to a max contract that becomes a liability in the last couple of years because his game is based on pure athleticism and that will go downhill after he reaches his 30&#8242;s. the pistons do not need to invest max contract money into the frontcourt. As most haves have noted star power on the wings, hopefully at the 3, is the biggest need and Josh Smith&#8217;s skill set isn&#8217;t suited to play 30+ minutes a night at SF.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would he come to Detroit? Detroit at this point has more upside in the next several years, he has been rumored to want to be in Motown before, and by far the most important, money. It&#039;s usually about money. If Atlanta pays him top dollar, he probably won&#039;t leave. If Detroit gives him a better offer, I&#039;m sure he would at least strongly consider it. What he is worth is another matter altogether. And I don&#039;t know your grading scale, but I would not call a perennial fringe all-star a B- player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would he come to Detroit? Detroit at this point has more upside in the next several years, he has been rumored to want to be in Motown before, and by far the most important, money. It&#8217;s usually about money. If Atlanta pays him top dollar, he probably won&#8217;t leave. If Detroit gives him a better offer, I&#8217;m sure he would at least strongly consider it. What he is worth is another matter altogether. And I don&#8217;t know your grading scale, but I would not call a perennial fringe all-star a B- player.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People aren&#039;t talking about trading for Smoove, but about signing him outright as a FA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People aren&#8217;t talking about trading for Smoove, but about signing him outright as a FA.</p>
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