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NBA.com: Playing Andre Drummond now in Pistons best interest

Count Steve Aschburner of NBA.com among those on the Andre Drummond bandwagon. In Aschburner’s latest column, he makes a case that Drummond should play a big role right away:

Drummond’s gotta play for three reasons. First and foremost, he has talent to size and size to flaunt, with the ability to rebound and protect the rim that comes with standing 6-foot-10 and 270 pounds. In practices and scrimmages so far, Drummond has impressed Detroit coaches and players with his aggressiveness and eagerness to learn.

Another reason Drummond needs to play is, whatever concerns scouts had about his weight coming into the league, sitting on the side isn’t going to help. After a summer of hard work, the rookie needs to maintain his body and that means game shape, not pedaling a stationary bike after a bunch of CD-DNPs.

Third, the more Drummond plays — along with import Slava Kravtsov — the sooner Frank and the Pistons can get on with Greg Monroe’s full-time shift to power forward. The 6-11 Georgetown product has a knack for smart passing that could make him the focal point of Frank’s offense, especially if he’s able to operate more from the high post.

Just a note, you might want to skip over the intro of that column where the inevitable Drummond-Darko comparison comes into play. But other than that, it’s another great indicator of how much excitement nationally Drummond has created for this team. The Pistons have not received this much preseason attention in a long time, and they should be thankful every day that Drummond both fell to them and came in as committed as he appears to be off the bat.

Hat tip to commenter MNM

53 Comments

  • Oct 23, 201211:32 am
    by George

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    I still don’t agree that Monroe should move to PF full-time.  I have no issue with him splitting time between the power positions, but when your two best (potentially) players are capable of playing the center position, that just means that you can account for 48 minutes of strong play from the 5 spot.  It doesn’t have to indicate that one of them has to make a permanent position change.

    Monroe 16/POWERPORWARDS 32
    Drummond 32/Monroe 16
    works.  

    We don’t have a power forward that has a stranglehold on starter’s minutes yet, but Villanueva should have been that guy.   

  • Oct 23, 201211:34 am
    by MNM

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    I can never understand why nobody can get a clear measurment for his height.. Some say he’s 6-10, some say 6-11, and others refer to him as a “7-footer”… Has anybody bothered to get a ruler, pencil and a step-stool out to end the confusion/debate?

    • Oct 23, 201211:37 am
      by George

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      He’s 6’9.75″ without shoes.  He’s still growing, and they play in shoes, which is why you hear a variety of heights.  Amongst my friends we just reference their barefooted heights.
      http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/andre-drummond-5772/ 

      • Oct 23, 201211:51 am
        by MNM

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        Well ok… Since they play in shoes, then they need to make THAT the only measurement to go by. Everybody needs to get on the same page.

        • Oct 23, 201212:18 pm
          by Tom Y.

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          Also, he and Monroe are the same height, so it’s silly to call one 6’11″ and the other 6’10″… plus I’m personally a little offended when people call Drummond 6’10″.

          • Oct 23, 20123:07 pm
            by Vic

            He’s not as tall As Monroe, in all their pictures he’s at least 1 inch shorter

      • Oct 23, 201212:36 pm
        by RalphHau

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        Oh now he is 6’9.75″  Damn, he is shrinking as we write.  An you know this how????

    • Oct 23, 201212:34 pm
      by RalphHau

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      That is so true, how tall is Drummond!  Why all the confussion???? He is what he is.  Do as the man says and take out the ruler.

      • Oct 23, 20121:48 pm
        by frankie d

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        the draftexpress measurements are supposedly the most accurate ones out there.  it’s done in preparation for the draft, first in stocking feet and then in shoes.
        the guy who is most similar to drummond, physically, is deandre jordan.  drummond has another 20-30 pounds on jordan, but their other measurables are eerily similar.
        in fact, at his worst, i think drummond will be a jordan-like player.  if he develops offensively, his upside is ridiculous.
        drummond has the ability to be a better version of dwight howard.  he is taller, with a bigger frame, just as athletic and he has a much better offensive feel.  even now, he does things, offensively, that howard doesn’t even think about trying to do.
        i’m not saying that he will be the next howard, but physically he is as gifted and he definitely has more potential on the offensive end.  we will see how he develops. 

        • Oct 23, 20121:51 pm
          by frankie d

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          meant to say that the draftexpress measurements are done at the predraft camp.  draftexpress just uses those measurements in their draft profiles.

      • Oct 23, 20122:28 pm
        by RyanK

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        How tall a player is doesn’t tell you how long a player is.  ‘Dre has long arms…he definitely reaches higher than Monroe standing and much higher when he jumps (because of a superior vertical).  Both measurements are important for rebounding, shotblocking, and the release point on a shot offensively. 
         
        Some would say the traditional height measurement is garbage, but that’s not entirely true.  The ability to see over defenders help when making passes and seeing open players. 
         
        A player like Bosh doesn’t have as much height advantage as you think because his neck is so long/shoulders are so low.  A player like Ben Wallace has more length advantage then you think because he has long arms and a short neck/high shoulders. 

        • Oct 23, 20124:26 pm
          by Keith

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          Standing Reach Measurements:
          Andre Drummond – 9’1.5″
          Greg Monroe – 9’0.5″
          Chris Bosh – 9’1″
          Ben Wallace – 9’3″
          Average PF reach in last 15 years – 8’10.5″
          Average C reach in last 15 years – 9’1.3″
           
          Drummond is the longest of the three current players, and the difference (2.5 inches from Monroe to Wallace) overall is pretty minimal. Athleticism plays a big part as well. Bosh isn’t strong or super long, but he’s quick and a good leaper. Drummond and Wallace are incredible athletes for their size, so they can actually play bigger than their measurements. In any case, all these players are long enough to play C. Other important measurements would be weight and body fat (to determine strength/ability to take/give abuse in the post), as well as speed/jumping tests.

          • Oct 23, 20129:59 pm
            by gmehl

            It always blows my mind when you think that Ben Wallace has a 9’3? standing reach. Without the fro he is more like 6’8″ then 6’9″. I hope and pray that Drummond brings similar excitement that body did.

  • Oct 23, 201211:37 am
    by Ray

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    Patrick thats what I have been saying…. I get the whole bring him along slowely, and working his way into the line up…but name the other team that would even think to do that with Drummond when you consider…the strides he has made?

    we forget for most of the year he was project to be a top 2 player in the draft….

    he has done everything and plus more….

    • Oct 23, 20121:13 pm
      by sebastian

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      Are the Hornets bringing Davis off of the bench, the Bobcats bringing MKG of the bench, the Wizards bring Beal of the bench? No, no, and no.
      Let’s be real, here, Drummond should start and so should Jerebko. Tay should be OUR 6th man.
      There is no need to make this anymore difficult than it should be.

      • Oct 23, 20123:10 pm
        by Vic

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        True, but where there are decisions, there are politicians

      • Oct 23, 20126:46 pm
        by freywagg

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        “the Wizards bring Beal of the bench?”
        Yes.

        • Oct 23, 20127:06 pm
          by Jodi Jezz

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          LOL @Jonas being a starter!..Jonas is a role player at best, lets be serious…

          • Oct 23, 201210:04 pm
            by bobby

            yeah, im always curious whenever i see people saying how much they love JJ. he’s decent, but if I were creating a team I wouldn’t choose him as my second unit SF, maybe a third unit…

          • Oct 23, 201210:22 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            So … NBA teams don’t start role players? I must’ve missed that. Also, if Jerebko can’t start because he’s a ‘role player at best,’ what does that make Prince? He’s been a role player his entire career, and now he’s an old role player. Jerebko looked a lot better than Prince did this preseason and his skillset, offensive rebounding, energy and moving without the ball, actually fit pretty well with Detroit’s starting guards, who both love to run, and their starting, franchise big man who loves to pass to cutters who are active around the basket.

  • Oct 23, 201211:49 am
    by MNM

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    Andre’ has done more in this preseason than Darko and Kwame Brown ever did over 2 1/2 years.. I think they should give up on those comparisons. If those are the only 2 comparisons on the “worst comes to worst” end, then I don’t think we have anything to worry about.

  • Oct 23, 201211:49 am
    by Casey

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    He’s gonna play eith way, I say start him on the bench for many reasons.

    1) earn his spot to start
    2) Come in againt other teams bench
    3) come in with a Will Bynum who works together well so far and makes up for Will Defense
    4) Increase Max’s Trade Value

    Trade – Prince, Max, Singler or Daye for Gay and filler

    Second half roster

    Knight / Will
    Stuckey / English
    Gay / Maggete /Middlteon
    Monroe / JJ / CV
    Andre / Slav

    • Oct 23, 20121:50 pm
      by Keith

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      1) He’s already earned his spot. He’s the 2nd best big man we have, and it’s not close.
      2) This is valid, but only for a short time – he’ll eventually have to play starters and he’s not Austin Daye who can’t play a lick unless he’s in a great mood – the confidence argument is overblown.
      3) Also viable, but isn’t the long term worry more how he builds chemistry with Knight? He wouldn’t play all his time with the bench just as he won’t play all his time with the starters. Monroe-Drummond chemistry seems more important than anything.
      4) Max’s trade value is entirely tied to the expiring nature of his contract. He’s not going to suddenly start dropping 20 and 10 and become a valuable asset. Maxiell is a reasonable backup PF who is undersize and cannot play SF or C. That’s all he will ever be.
       
      Gay has actual value. Prince, Max, and Singler wouldn’t even make the rotation of most top teams (which Memphis believes it can be). Why would Memphis get considerably worse for 35+ minutes at SF in exchange for a very minor upgrade of 10-15 minutes of BACKUP PF?

    • Oct 23, 20123:05 pm
      by sebastian

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      Casey. I have been beating the “Trade for Rudy” drum, since June. Moving Tay, Maggette, and Daye would be the cap relief that Memphis would enjoy while still being able to be competitive.
      Call me crazy, but I have my fingers and toes crossed hoping that a trade of this sort will take place, soon after the NBA Board of Governors make the sale of the Grizzs on Thursday – http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224105/NBA_BOG_Expected_To_Vote_On_Grizzlies_Sale_Thursday.

  • Oct 23, 201212:15 pm
    by danny

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    Why does everyone keep talking about trading so and so for rudy gay?  I like his game but I do not want him on this team.  Build from the inside and let players grow and build chemistry.  Lets get better as a unit instead of saying of if he had jsmooth we’d be in the playoffs. 
     

  • Oct 23, 201212:36 pm
    by Casey

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    It’s more likey we get a top talent through a trade then free agent. Lets go get someone that is a top guy, then what could be. Plus aren’t we building from with in with Knight, Monroe, Stucky, Dre, Jonas, Slav?

    Plus Free agents aren’t that great this year and we have alot of trade chip. Max, Daye, Maggette, coming off the books, young talent in Singler, Englis, Middlton, Slav and a former champ vet in Prince, plus CV has one year left. Not amazing but could be what we need to more to the next level.

    • Oct 23, 20121:59 pm
      by Keith

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      Our “trade chips” are garbage. The only reason cap space (expiring contracts) is valuable is if the player received is massively overpaid or we take on considerable bad contracts with him. Can you think of ANY top talent that another team would dump just to save cap space?
       
      Maybe Indiana blows things up and puts Granger on the block, but even then just about any team could out-bid us simply by including a viable starter. We have no excess of talent to work with, no real cap space to take on big money, and a non-destination city (so players won’t be pushing to be traded here). I’m sure everyone would love to see us pick up a star to solidify the base we are building, but the actual prospect that of that happening is almost non-existent. We MUST build through the draft because we don’t have other options.

      • Oct 23, 20122:12 pm
        by danny

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        well put son

      • Oct 23, 20122:46 pm
        by bugsygod

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        WOW with your outlook i dont see how sheed, mcdyess, billups wanted to come here as free agents or stay after being traded here.  Hell with your thought process whats the point of fielding a team as no one wants to come here, we cant trade for anyone.  The only way is thru the draft??  DAMN son i bet you have the pistons as the worst team in the league with NO future chances.  smh

        • Oct 23, 20123:03 pm
          by Keith

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          Nice revisionist history there:
           
          Sheed didn’t come here as a free agent, he was a salary dump by Portland. They didn’t want him at all and were trying to rehab their image – we traded two first rounders for him. Even then he was a major risk with off-court problems and chemistry issues.
           
          Billups had been a bust as the 3rd overall pick, playing for 5 teams in his first 4 years, and having been most recently signed as a backup. He was signing with us because we were one of the only teams that offered him the starting PG spot.
           
          McDyess was coming off his first relatively healthy season since blowing out his knee twice. He was a role player, signed for a role player’s salary. He was no star or even starter by the time he came here. However, it’s notable that he signed AFTER we had just won a championship. Pretty big difference between signing on with those Pistons and the Pistons now.
           
          So walk me through again where a Detroit team with little to no playoff hopes is a destination city. We don’t have immediate W-L prospects, we don’t have great weather, the actual city of Detroit is falling apart, and we don’t have the media attention for our players to get big endorsement deals. That’s not some pessimistic attack, that’s reality. When we build a winner, then we can start talking about players wanting to play here. Until then, we are like every star-less lottery team – overpaying for free agents or perusing the scrap heap. Maybe we can find another Chauncey, but the likelihood is minimal. Maybe another talented player with serious issues is on the block, but we can’t afford to trade picks and don’t have cap space. We aren’t the worst team in the league, and I have high hopes for Knight-Monroe-Drummond, but that doesn’t mean I have to start chugging kool-aid. We are a bad team, with little established talent, and poor financial management. If you don’t see that, you’re in denial.
           

          • Oct 23, 20123:57 pm
            by bugsygod

            sheed was traded to Detroit BUT stayed as a FA.  Billups just had his best year ever with minny and we got him.  As you point out Dyess was a FA coming off his healthiest year, so again a guy coming to play in Detroit.  I did not say Detroit was a destination city, my point is that players will come here.  simple as that.  Each sports team in Detroit tigers, lions, red wings have been able to attract FA’s just like the Pistons!  We are a YOUNG team not a talent less team.  The young players you just mentioned all have incredible upside.  Cap space is for next summer, not this year, so of course we cant make trades now using cap space(duh).  After THIS season when we establish ourselves as a young team on the rise with very good young talent, a well respected coach and GM, 20mil in cap space and ownership willing to spend(as evidenced by the 30mil in palace upgrades).  So if YOU cant see all that YOU are in denial.  I expect a playoff or close to playoff team THIS year.  Now is Dwight howard, cp3 etc coming here, probably not.  But we can get the 2nd tier guys that are all star types but maybe not superstars.  Like a rudy gay, paul millsap, etc.  There are optons for the pistons, dont give up hope keith!

          • Oct 23, 20124:16 pm
            by Keith

            Look, I’ll admit I’d love to have your same optimism. Sheed, Chauncey, and McDyess all stayed because we had literally just won a championship the year before. If we had flamed out, missed the playoffs in 2004, I don’t think Sheed would have stayed. I don’t think McDyess would have signed. Yes, we can attract some player, but most often by massively overpaying them (look at Prince Fielder and Ben Gordon – we basically bid against ourselves).
             
            Could we, if everything fell perfectly into place, make the playoffs? Sure, the East really isn’t that good after the top 4. Could our young guys all make significant leaps and show that we are a team on the rise? Of course, they all have that potential. I’m just trying to be realistic. How often does that happen? OKC did it with 3 top 5 picks and a huge gem in the late 1st round. Charlotte has stayed bad for years, Sacramento is worse than us with better picks and probably more upside. There are plenty of baseball teams that seem to perennially hang out in the cellar. The Lions had to rehaul their entire franchise before they made the playoffs again. The trend is, with non-destination teams, to get lucky before you get good. How lucky we are is still up for debate. I just think it’s premature at best and naive at worst to say our bad team will prove all that by next year.
             
            I always viewed this as a 2 year plan from this offseason. In two years we will have Monroe locked up through most of his prime. Knight will hopefully take steps each year and be a real PG that can organize and lead an offense. I also expected 2 years before Drummond really produces at the level we hope. At that point we have 3 solid core players, a workable cap, and a definite understanding of what we have, what we need, and where we are going. None of those things can be left out. If we don’t know what we have by the end of the year, free agents definitely won’t. If we then don’t know what we need, we’ll be slapdashing together another debacle like Gordon-Villanueva. If then we don’t know where we are going, we doom ourselves to repeating the mistakes that have plagued the team for the last half decade.

          • Oct 23, 20127:14 pm
            by frankie d

            sheed came from atlanta.
            portland had traded sheed to atlanta for rahim and theo ratliff and really didn’t save any money on the deal.
            it was more like a “jailblazer” dump than a salary dump.
            he’d worn out his welcome with fans and management, though most players on the team still loved him. 

          • Oct 23, 20127:47 pm
            by bugsygod

            Well thats basically what im saying a two yr plan.  This year you reach hard for the playoffs, show your improving and have good young talent.  This will attract FA’s and help improve the stock of our young players for trade possibilities.  So in the summer, when some of the new harsher tax penalties start, those higher tax teams will be looking to dump salary.  Most higher salary teams are the Better Teams, so the Better Teams will be looking to shed salary. Since these are the better teams in the league you would think the players they have and looking to shed sometimes have to be valuable really good players.  So we will have all that cap space, have a young talented team, solid coaching, players values have gone up in a “successful” season we will be a very attractive trade partner.  Now when these trades and FA decisions are made they need to be the RIGHT decision.  So that is the direction i see for the team and really is it that” difficult to see?

      • Oct 23, 20122:55 pm
        by bugsygod

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        cap space can be used to absorb contracts.  meaning if we have 20mil in space we can just take a player in trade into that space.  So if memphis decides to “move” gay, for money reasons we would have a great chance.  We can send a smaller contract (prince7mil) with a young plyer (jerbko4.5) and a protected future 1rd pick.  this saves grizz money as gay is due 16mil per yr, gives them 2 young pieces AND still gives them capability to compete now with prince.  Thats how you use cap space.   

        • Oct 23, 20123:14 pm
          by Keith

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          We currently have 67 million committed to players. Add Gay and we are paying the luxury tax. There is no evidence or reason that a team like ours would pay the tax when the team has no chance of winning the title.
           
          Moreover, we would have to send back 11 million in low value contracts (Prince especially). If it is all financial, why not trade him to Memphis, who wouldn’t need to send back any salary, and who has a plethora of talented young players on rookie contracts? Why not trade him to Minnesota who would love a psuedo star SF, and who could offer better players and more immediate salary relief?
           
          The problem is not that we can’t make salaries work, I could get a Dwight-Lebron-CP3 trade just with the money. The problem is that the players we can afford to trade have no value, and there are a dozen teams with better cap situations to take on salary.

          • Oct 23, 20123:15 pm
            by Keith

            Meant to say “Houston” where I said “Memphis”

          • Oct 23, 20124:08 pm
            by bugsygod

            DUDE this is for the Summer…hello!!!  When we have the cap space….hello?!!  If we are talking right now during the season, you offer maggette w/ jerbko and future 1st.  That gives grizz savings of 30mil dollars over the next 3yrs!  Gay is due 52 mill over the next 3 and jerbko/maggette due 22mil over next 3.  maggette 10mil and jrbko12.  So that is something for memphis to look at.  You mention minny and houston, but they cannot provide the INSTANT cap relief as the expiring contracts we have.  max 5mil, maggett 10mil, bynum 3mil, daye 3mil.  Hell we cld send all those expirings 21mil and take back gay & speights.  That is an instant 21 mil savings to the grizz.   Now the owner stated that Gay is not available right now, BUT when they are fighting for the 8th spot in the west and facing luxury tax penalties, they may be willing to talk.

  • Oct 23, 20122:35 pm
    by Michelob Mike

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    ^well yeah, that’s why people keep bringing up Gay as his name has been brought up in trade rumors recently http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/6/10/3076255/rudy-gay-trade-rumors-memphis-grizzlies

    • Oct 23, 20122:46 pm
      by Keith

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      And that makes some sense, where there is smoke there is fire, as they say. But even if he was on the block, Memphis wouldn’t be throwing him away for nothing. They would want good players on more reasonable contracts, or a combination of productive players and picks. We can’t afford to give up picks, and we have no good players on reasonable contracts (unless you count Knight-Drummond-Monroe, who shouldn’t be traded).

      • Oct 23, 20123:32 pm
        by tarsier

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        Gay is good, but not great. So in return, a team cannot expect both major financial relief and several particularly good, young prospects. It’s kinda one or the other. So he could be traded for someone like Knight tied to a bad contract. Or he could be traded for expiring deals with nominal talent like Jerebko and English.

        And why can’t Detroit afford to give up picks if it is improving? Then those picks are becoming not that great anyway. With Gay, I believe these Pistons are a playoff team. I would be fine with giving away a non-lottery pick for that upgrade.

        However, I wouldn’t want to bring in Gay unless Prince was leaving (either in the same trade or another). Because otherwise he blows all the cap space that could be used to pursue a FA next summer.

        • Oct 23, 20123:39 pm
          by Keith

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          Knight isn’t enough to trade Gay alone, much less with a bad contract attached. There seems to be a prevailing failure of fans to properly value the players on their favorite team. Gay is not a superstar, but he’s still a top 5 SF in the league. He can still score at a very high level and has shown he can add to a winning team. Knight was objectively bad last year. He has a lot of potential, but he was never a can’t miss prospect.
           
          But that just gets to my point. If Memphis wants cap relief, there are several teams that can offer a lot more immediate relief without including bad players (as we would have to). If Memphis wants talented young players, they can get better than we could offer (we’re not trading Monroe-Drummond, and Knight probably isn’t enough).
           

          • Oct 23, 20124:40 pm
            by tarsier

            Gay is much better than Knight. But that is far from the only consideration. He is young, far from his ceiling, and most of all, he isn’t overpaid like Gay. Gay is arguably a top 5 SF, definitely top 10. But he is not worth a max contract. He’s kinda like Boozer, Joe Johnson, or Eric Gordon.

  • Oct 23, 20123:15 pm
    by Otis

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    He looks very much like our second best big man already, and by a wide margin. So very obviously he should play big minutes. I might even start the guy, because I couldn’t be less intrigued or inspired by our current starting five. This organization trots those guys out there like an almost-.500 record over the softest part of the schedule is something to hang your hat on and it’s ridiculous.

    That said, I’m not sure these two complement each other as well as the organization has tried to sell us on. Or else why wouldn’t we see more of them together? For several reasons I think Monroe’s best position is at C, possibly by a mile. He has all the size for the position and some skills that make him a rare commodity there more so than at PF. And I’m worried the paint is going to be pretty clogged with those guys up front… though we’ll have that problem with any of our bigs who can defend well enough to play.

    • Oct 23, 20124:03 pm
      by Keith

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      I think Monroe and Drummond complement each other very well defensively, but run into a Pau-Bynum issue offensively. Both are more inclined to be a center on offense – closer to the basket with teammates pulling defender away. Pau still figured it out because he is just that good and skilled. Monroe probably can as well.
       
      I also think the personnel around those two has a much bigger impact on their chemistry. Clogging the paint a little wouldn’t hurt that much if we had shooters on the perimeter. Just look at San Antonio. They play 2 centers most of the time, but had the best offense in the league last year. Sure, much of that was due to Duncan’s versatility and passing (Monroe can be as good as old Duncan, IMO), but also they had shooters everywhere. Even Parker has his mid-range game and floaters. If we didn’t have a complete non-shooter at SG and a SF who passes up most outside shots, it could be a different story. I think the ideal next piece of our team would be a SG/SF in the Danny Granger mold (elite shooter that isn’t asked to handle the ball).

  • Oct 23, 20124:33 pm
    by Al

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    52mil for Gay!?!?!?!?! Wow, no thanks Thats alot to absorb for an unproven player. Why bother with what if superstars for that kind of money? What if he had taken the Memphis to the finals? What if he had been the player they thought he was suppose to be when signing him to that huge contract?? I just dont know, sure he helps fill Prince’s shoes but for that much???

    • Oct 23, 20124:44 pm
      by tarsier

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      The man is certainly not unproven. But nor is he a superstar. he is a fringe all-star. And he is slightly overpaid. But it is irrelevant to compare his contract to superstars. Superstars (like LeBron, CP3, Howard, Durant, etc) are the most underpaid players in the league. But they don’t get to make more. Compare Gay’s contract to what else you could do with it (get two good but not great role players).

  • Oct 23, 20124:52 pm
    by Corey

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    Pistons actually have a lot of trade assets. The oncoming increase in luxury tax penalties means that its a good time to have salary flexibility to offer in trades. Right now, nearly every team is saying Playoffs or Championship. Halfway through the season when injuries and reality have struck, some of them will be saying Tank Tank Tank. Then, if they have luxury tax issues, they’ll want to trade expensive long-term contracts for expiring ones.  The pistons have somewhere north of $20m in expiring contracts, counting Maggette, Bynum, Daye, and Maxiel. And then a variety of good players that could easily be included if someone wants talent back, and is offering enough for it. 

    Genuinely good players the pistons could afford to include in a trade:  Stuckey and Jerebko

    Young “talent” with rotation potential that someone might want as a sweetener/rotation filler for a player they were trading: English, Singler, Middleton

    Players someone might possibly want for their rotation: Prince, Maxiel (also an expiring, so a twofer).

    One could easily construct realistic trade scenarios for someone like Gay where the Pistons trade Maggette, Jerebko, and Middleton or a future pick (for example) for Gay and a mediocre low salary player. This doesn’t raise the pistons salary commitments this year, as the salaries must approximately match, but does in the future. 

    That’s just one example. I could also imagine something like an extend and trade with the Thunder, where they send out Harden and a contract they want to get rid of (Perkins?) for Stuckey and some expiring contracts.  That one isn’t likely, but the concept is valid.   Stuckey and Jerebko, in particular, are useful rotation players that the Pistons could afford to trade if they were getting back an all-star (not superstar) level talent.  There are of course teams that could compete with us on this kind of trade (e.g. Houston).

  • Oct 23, 20125:49 pm
    by Scott Free

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    I like the idea of having Monroe at PF, but why force him to play a high post?!  Monroe may have worked on his shot, but the man does best with his back to the basket.  MARK MY WORDS: Monroe’s stellar offensive rebounding stats will drop the MOMENT he’s moved away from the paint.  

    We should be looking at like the Duncan/Robinson front-court… not a traditional forward/center roll.   

  • Oct 23, 20126:35 pm
    by sop

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    All the arguments in the world can be made for Drummond deserving to start, but you need to understand Joe’s thinking. Allow me to enlighten with a repost:
     
    “Maxiell would be really pissed if he doesn’t start and get lots of minutes in his contract year, but does that really matter? To Joe D it does. He thinks if you show players loyalty then vets will want to come and play for you because you’ll have that rep of being a players first franchise.”

    • Oct 23, 201210:36 pm
      by MNM

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      Then when you ask Chauncey about “loyalty”…well… Im sure it’s a sore subject. Everyone, by now, should accept that there is no loyalty in sports. In the end, you root for the front of the jersey, not the back. It can be a hard lesson to learn, but a lesson none the less.

  • Oct 23, 20127:38 pm
    by Corey

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    It’s better if Drummond doesn’t start until he PROVES he’s ready for it. Frank can just keep increasing his minutes until he’s in the 28+ range. When he can handle that consistently he’ll start. Until then it doesn’t even matter.

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