Comments on: Brandon Knight, Rodney Stuckey, Kyle Singler stand out in otherwise underwhelming Pistons performance

By: tarsier

tarsier — Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:16:32 +0000

Being 5th in wins means a lot less when you’ve had more years to do it. If we could tack on 10 more 30-52 seasons onto the Pistons, would that make them a better all-time franchise? No. Winning percentage is way more important than all-time wins. And I recognize that Golden State does not have 3 championships, I never said they did. I said the Warriors do. Two of them were the San Francisco Warriors before they relocated.

And a team that is 5th-7th or so cannot be called top 5. I would agree that the Pistons are a top 10 franchise because they are definitely in the top 10. One could make a case for 5th, but it would be a long shot. Besides Philly, you gotta include Utah, Portland, and Houston in the conversation.

I will however give you that championships from long, long ago shouldn’t be valued as highly. That has nothing to do with the fact that they were won long ago, though. We are talking about best franchises of all-time, not best franchises now. But titles from several decades ago aren’t as impressive because the field was so much smaller once upon a time. Titles won since the ABA merger should all be valued nearly equally. The league was then at 22 teams which is fewer than the present 30, but not so much so as to make championships much easier to come by.

By: Tom Y.

Tom Y. — Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:09:38 +0000

There’s also a new piece now on the Pistons’ website about how there actually may not be a steady rotation after all, which somehow seems to mean the starters are entrenched and guys like Drummond and other rookies will continue to see fluctuating minutes… :(

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:45:40 +0000

@ Tom, no beef at all, I know were you just relaying what the Pistons explanation was for Max starting. peace

By: ray

ray — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:44:11 +0000

Lawrence Frank is killing me…..he has 2 players that have been clearly outplayed……his answer is “stability” PUHAHAHA!!!! Get out scored, and defend poorly but “Stability”

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:33:44 +0000

No, there’s a mental defect in the coach though.

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:32:12 +0000

@tarsier -

They are 5th all-time in wins -

http://pikimal.com/nba-franchise/top/10/with-the-most-all-time-wins

They are tied for 5th all-time in championships with PHI.

How does that not make them a top 5 franchise? The two most important categories of judging a franchise – championships and wins – and the Pistons are among the top 5 in both.

GS does NOT have 3 NBA championships btw. And Philly’s last championship was 30 yrs ago. Thats like saying the Lions are a top franchise in the NFL because they won 4 championships in the 50s.

The top 6 franchises historically are probably BOS, LA, CHI, SA, DET, and PHI.

If you want to debate between 5 and 6 with DET/PHI, fine, but thats splitting heirs if you ask me.

Considering DET has won multiple championships in two different eras since the 76ers last won one, DET gets the edge imo for #5. Anyone saying they are 8th or 15th is clueless and shouldn’t be writing about sports for a living.

By: ray

ray — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:31:21 +0000

thought i said that already Patrick….its crazy

By: Tom Y.

Tom Y. — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:26:00 +0000

.500 was relatively good at the time, compared to the previous year and the way that year started. Langlois really loves to mention it so they must see it as some kind of success. It’s also more or less what it would take to make the playoffs, which sounds like a measure of success to them. Therefore, I think Frank feels safest with Max in – maybe he’s afraid of slipping below .500.

BTW, I was just trying to understand his motives, not support his decisions. I would personally move Max to the bench, ship Tay the hell out of town and go with Knight-Stuckey-JJ-Moose-Monroe.

By: Otis

Otis — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:17:00 +0000

I like the new format. And ever once in a while when a game warrants it you can use the essay format.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:11:32 +0000

Great lineup. You are right on. Singler is their future long term at SF as he is an all-around player that will always give maximum effort and can shoot the heck out of the ball. He just needs the NBA mintues to get the NBA confidence. Knight to me is not that good yet. The way Brandon JEnnings just worked him in their preseason matchup was quite telling to me. I think KNight will be a good starting NBA guard but not great. I like you line up idea and the sooner the better. I don’t know why they signed prince for multi year at this stage with this team. Great work.