Comments on: Ben Wallace reportedly not expected in Pistons camp without a roster spot

By: tarsier

tarsier — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 12:39:50 +0000

And I even forgot about Maxiell, Villanueva, and Bynum when discussing veterans. You may have problems with some of these guys. But nearly half the team has been in the league for 5 or more years.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 12:28:06 +0000

Lost without some veteran presence? Even if that made any sense, they’ve got Prince, Maggette, and Stuckey. How many vets do you need to not be lost?

I have nothing against the idea of bringing back Ben. But if it is to keep the rest of the team from being lost, there is a much larger problem that needs to be addressed by more than a one year band-aid.

By: gmehl

gmehl — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:24:33 +0000

I was about to add my 2 cents worth but then i read Otis comment and it’s all pretty much what i wanted to say. Well said my man. I am hoping that Joe will get better with rolling over assets though. Its hard to roll over assets that are spare parts but a perfect example would of been trading Prince to Dallas for that 1st rounder when they wanted him. We would’ve had his $8mil per year free and maybe and Jerebko and Daye filling the 4 spot.

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:59:16 +0000

What Nate said. Sending Middleton to D-League still occupies a roster spot. Maggette, if healthy, has trade value. No reason to buy him out now. If he’s a problem in the locker room, injured or sucks by mid-season, the maybe it becomes a different story. And there might not even be a market for Daye even for a second rounder. He’s making around $3 million this year. That’s a lot of commitment for a team to take on for a player who, at this point, looks like a bust.

By: Nate

Nate — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:54:55 +0000

Players in the D-League still count towards the 15 man limit. No reason to buy out Maggettee this early. At least give him a chance to show if he does or doesn’t have anything left. He could prove to be an asset if English isn’t ready to contribute at the 2 early on.

By: Tiko

Tiko — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:21:02 +0000

3 spots better be made available. Buyout Magettee, send Middleton to D league, trade Daye to anyone willing to give us a 2nd

By: Otis

Otis — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:12:25 +0000

The thing that I don’t like (above all else) is that Tayshaun is supposedly here for his veteran presence more than anything, and he’s standing in the way of younger, better options, costing $8 million bucks a year and under contract well past his prime. Meanwhile, our entire future depends heavily on the development of Monroe and Drummond (and Knight). We don’t have a steady veteran presence to guide Knight (and, really, another year under Chauncey’s tutelage would have done Stuckey a world of good, for that matter), but it looks very much like we had a chance to bring back a fan favorite veteran presence who could aid tremendously in the development of two of our three biggest building blocks at a reasonable price for one season, and we’re not going to.

And all this for a hodgepodge of mediocre talent that we couldn’t make a sensible rotation out of anyways. Maxiell is going to be our starting PF, and Ben Wallace is moving on. It doesn’t make any sense.

The only POSSIBLE sense that could be made of this is if we were to make moves like trading a productive Maxiell at the deadline for something useful, or if Slava turns into an important part of our core, but I’ve seen too much of Dumars to believe that’s going to happen. Max is going to come off the books next summer, and Slava is going to amount to a solid backup center who stays for the two years he’s under contract and walks. Joe doesn’t know how to roll over assets.

By: Talan

Talan — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 22:56:27 +0000

I really like Terrence Williams too. I fear that he and Flynn will not make the cut not simply because of contract reasons, but for loyalty reasons as well. Guys like Tayshaun and Daye are “our guys.” Management has invested time and money into the incumbents and it will be near impossible for them to give up on our guys even if they are being outplayed.

Another problem may be that TWill doesn’t do anything particularly well. In fact, thinking about it he is pretty similar to Stuckey. If he had a good jumpshot he might stick somewhere.

I’d love to get both he and Flynn here on minimum deals, but we’d have to get rid of some folks on our roster and I just don’t see that happening.

By: Lake Side Live

Lake Side Live — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:39:06 +0000

When people talk about the need for another point guard I remind them that Terrence Williams was once considered a point/forward. When he was unleashed the last two months of his rookie season he average 5.6 assists 7 rebounds and 14 points.

Even the coach who would eventually put him in the dog house and get him traded, Avery Johnson, had this to say “Terrence’s versatility to score, post-up smaller guys, initiate our offense for us then play off the ball…you can do more things with him.”

Some people say he’s a head case but when he started clashing with Johnson he was coming off a misdiagnosed groin injury and an injured hand.

With regular playing minutes (20 min per game) in Sacremento he averaged 8.8 pts 4.1 bounds and 3.1 assists. I’d like to think this showed he could be a contributor as did the fact Sacremento wanted to bring him back but had salary restrictions.

I know I’m looking through rose colored glasses, but a super athletic point/forward on this team, i just can’t help it. As for the salary just eat Daye’s he gonna get it anyway. If we could eat Rips salary 2 years ago for nothing lets do it for Williams.

By: ASwede

ASwede — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:58:14 +0000

Agree it is not an undisciplined team. Quite the opposite – the work ethic from Monroe and Knight are impresseive. I was referring to experience that comes from having been around. You can’t teach that.
Tay, Max and Magette are the only one on the list (along with CV on the roster) who’s played for more than 5 years. Tay and Max and Stuckey (as a rookie) are the only ones who ever been deep in the playoffs. Monroe and Knight are superb, but they’ve been in the league for 2 and 1 years respectively. My point was that I’d rather bring in an experienced veteran with a ring for a year than stock up with more rookies.