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Andre Drummond is already a difference-maker in NBA debut against the Toronto Raptors

When I was writing about the Detroit Pistons’ open practice earlier this week, I worried I would tread too far on the positive side. After all, it’s pretty hard to look bad in an exhibition event meant to be fun and crowd-pleasing. On top of that, I’ve spent the last few months pretending I like baseball and football while secretly and impatiently waiting for the only sport I actually care about to return.

But in Wednesday’s 101-99 Pistons win over the Toronto Raptors, I learned another valuable lesson. In that open practice story, I wrote that Andre Drummond looked far away from being a regular contributor in the rotation. I stand by that — for all of his physical gifts, he made some mistakes and looked a step slow on defense. Wednesday though? Drummond looked like a starting NBA big man with 12 points (6-for-8 shooting), seven rebounds (four on the offensive glass) and two blocks in nearly 23 minutes off the bench.

Drummond was a crowd-pleaser with dunks on several lob passes. He didn’t force his offense — something he did a bit at the open practice — and simply moved without the ball and took the point-blank shots that were created for him. He was a monster to keep off the offensive glass (if he keeps that up, Drummond, Greg Monroe and Jonas Jerebko might give Detroit the league’s best offensive rebounding frontcourt). He changed shots defensively. His put-back with :35 seconds left was the decisive shot in the game.

Beyond the statistical impact, I was more impressed with Drummond’s overal demeanor. A knock on him coming out of UConn was that he often looked disinterested or lacked aggression. Tonight, he was engaged. His dunks were nice, but I was more impressed that he was both setting solid screens and really aggressively slipping them and cutting to the basket. I was more impressed that, even though it seemed like every single teammate on the floor and bench was pulling him aside to try and give him advice (seriously … the kid’s head must be spinning with all of those voices in his ear), he didn’t get flustered. I was more impressed that he was moving his feet defensively rather than leaving them at the slightest flinch of an opposing player.

This is one preseason game against a poor defensive team playing without arguably its best player in Kyle Lowry. Still, it’s worth being excited about. Every new season for teams good and bad brings hope. The Pistons of the last few seasons have had a habit of crushing that hope early on with lackadaisical performances in the preseason followed by awful regular season starts. Even if the Pistons aren’t as good as they looked at times tonight, the longer they can go simply preserving that intangible ‘hope,’ the more fun this season will be. It doesn’t take wins to do that, although they certainly help. It takes effort, improvement and an attempt to play fun basketball. The Pistons did all of those things tonight.

A different Brandon Knight

There was little to complain about with Brandon Knight‘s performance against the Raptors. He finished with 14 points (5-for-8 shooting), six assists and just two turnovers. If the Pistons get that type of production out of him every night, they’re hopes for a return to the playoffs will likely be realized.

As I stated above, the Raptors’ porous defense has to be mentioned here, but Knight also deserves major credit. Along with taking pretty good care of the basketball (his two turnovers were on cross-court passes where a man was open, but Knight was just a tad late delivering the passes, which led to deflections), Knight really looks like he’s improved at getting all the way to the basket and finishing. He’s not as explosive like pre-injury Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook or Rajon Rondo where he can just go up and dunk on people. Last season, when he’d attempt to get to the basket, he often struggled to split traps or got caught in traffic without being able to get his shot off. Tonight, there was no hesitation inside. He made quick moves, quick decisions as to when he should pass and played with his head up way more than I remember him playing last season.

He missed his only two 3-point attempts, but hopefully he’s able to maintain that outside shooting this season. The Pistons are certainly weak on the perimeter (0-for-13 for the game from three) and, depending on how the rotation shakes out, Knight might be their only 3-point threat. Knight, along with all the guards, didn’t defend Toronto’s backcourt particularly well. Jose Calderon, DeMar DeRozan and John Lucas III were a combined 16-for-29 for 48 points). That’s not all Knight’s fault, of course, but he was one of three primary guards who took a run at those guys and had limited success. Knight is smart enough and skilled enough to be a bothersome defender. Hopefully, that part of his game evolves as the preseason goes on.

Don’t fret about that point guard position

Along with Knight, Will Bynum looked great, with eight points, seven assists and just two turnovers off the bench. Bynum is a bit of a lightning rod in the comments here, with a handful of vocal fans ready to issue his ticket out of town as soon as the Pistons brought in Jonny Flynn and Terrence Williams on training camp contracts. I don’t know if either of those guys will make the roster, but I do know that if they do, it won’t be at Bynum’s expense. He played under control, had great chemistry with Drummond setting up two of his alley-oops and he looked like a real backup point guard, not a spark plug in to drive the ball down the other team’s throat at any cost.

Bynum has a valuable skillset off the bench. The Pistons certainly need competent backup guard play. As long as he stays healthy, he solidified himself as a key reserve tonight.

Almost fret about that shooting guard position

In the second quarter, Amir Johnson dove for a loose ball and smashed awkwardly into Rodney Stuckey‘s knee. Stuckey went down and the replays showed Stuckey’s knee bending a way you don’t want it to bend. With Stuckey on the ground, just how thin Detroit’s shooting guard spot is was clear. Behind Stuckey, they have the aging and injury-prone Corey Maggette, an unproven second round pick in Kim English and, maybe in a pinch, Austin Daye. Those aren’t the most promising of options for a team with playoff operations.

Thankfully, Stuckey’s injury wasn’t as bad as it seemed. He walked off under his own power, got some treatment on the sidelines and returned in the second half.

Sidenote: When did DeRozan become a poor man’s Stuckey? He can’t shoot from the perimeter, but got to the free throw line 10 times and seemed to draw contact every time he touched the ball.

Jonas Jerebko, king of preseason technicals

In the Pistons’ preseason opener in 2009, then-rookie Jonas Jerebko solidified himself as a fan-favorite when he got ejected (and later suspended) for getting in a tussle with Jamaal Magloire. In tonight’s preseason opener, Jerebko picked up a technical after he got tangled up with Raptors rookie Quincy Acy.

Jerebko also played extremely well off the bench — 10 points, four rebounds, a block and a steal — but it’s the feistiness that I really liked. Jerebko was solid last season, but also seemed understandably limited after coming back from his Achilles injury. Tonight, he looked more like the Jerebko from his rookie season, running the floor on every play, hustling, getting in passing lanes and finding ways to be a nuisance. He could be Detroit’s most important player off the bench this season if he can do those things on a nightly basis.

Oh, and Greg Monroe was there

It’s strange that on a night when Greg Monroe goes for 17 and 10 that I don’t get around to mentioning him until the sixth sub-head in the recap, but I do think several of his teammates with lesser stats played much better tonight.

Monroe didn’t shoot bad (8-for-17), but did have problems getting his shot off against Raptors rookie Jonas Valanciunas (who is going to be really imposing once he gets the speed of the game down a bit and realizes that you can’t swat a ball off the rim in the NBA like you can in Europe). The good things Monroe did revolved around his persistence. He had his shot blocked four times, but he also got the ball back on two of those blocks and went back up and scored.

The bad things can be shored up if he just gets some sloppiness in check. He had the ball stolen from him behind a couple times (maybe that’s his teammates’ fault for not yelling loud enough about people sneaking behind him) and turned the ball over four times overall.

At any rate, it says a lot about Monroe’s ability that I can watch him get 17 and 10 and expect more.

I really, really liked Lawrence Frank’s offense

The Pistons looked great offensively much of this game, especially considering that this was their first preseason game. They shot 50 percent, had an incredible first quarter (putting up 37 points on 70 percent shooting) and turned it over a reasonable (for the preseason) 15 times.

Credit has to go to Lawrence Frank. Everyone on the team who played looks to be in shape. Everyone looks to be buying into the sets Frank wants to run (and considering how little players have bought into schemes of recent coaches around here, that’s significant). The offense was fun to watch. The team played faster (something fans and players alike have been begging for for years). Everyone moved the ball and made quick decisions and, in general, that ball movement got good shots for everyone and prevented the awful isolations that have been a staple of boring Pistons basketball for three years. I’m sure there was a bad shot or two tonight, but the fact that none stick out in my mind is also progress. Recapping games here the last few seasons, it seems like every game I watched there were at least two or three specific shots that came to mind as horrible.

My expectations for this team coming into the season were simple. I wanted to see the team be more competitive, I wanted to see them play better defensively and I wanted to see development in the team’s younger players. After one preseason game, I’m not ready to raise those expectations yet. But the fact that the thought that I may have the bar set too low crossed my mind is a major credit to Frank’s impact on this team.

Hello from Canada

There was originally no TV locally for this game, so Dan and I asked friend of the blog Pardeep Toor, my friend and also an MLive refugee like myself, if he’d mind doing a guest recap. He lives in Canada these days and grew up a Raptors fan, but converted to the Pistons while living in Michigan and he’s a huge NBA fan in general. Anyway, when FSD picked up the game, there was no need for the guest post, but I still thought it would be interesting to get some feedback on the Pistons as currently constructed from someone who doesn’t follow the team on a day-to-day basis like we all do. Anyway, here are some thoughts Pardeep sent on tonight’s game. — P.H.

Welcome to the fifth era of Toronto Raptors basketball!

Jonas Valanciunas debuted tonight versus the Pistons which by my count marks the fifth reboot in the organization’s 17 year existence. The eras in order: 1) Damon “Mighty Mouse” Stoudamire 2) Vince Carter (w/Tracy Mcgrady briefly) 3) Chris Bosh (gross) 4) Andrea Bargnani and now the chosen one — Jonas V.

The first three were nasty breakups that extended well beyond fandom and into personal commitment issues that I struggle with to this day. My failures in my personal and professional life are literally T-Mac’s fault. The fourth era is painfully dwindling at an excruciating cost but the end is inevitable and the regrets unforgiving. Which brings us to two possessions, two Valanciunas blocks on Greg Monroe in the post, two emphatic double fist pumps by yours truly and two toasts of hope that followed. Valanciunas will occupy hope for a Raptors fanbase that has held feverish beliefs before only to be mocked by the mainstream and ridiculed by the departed. Hopefully this time, the fifth time, things will be different.

Some random thoughts on the Pistons and this game:

-Like you, I have no idea why Aaron Gray starts for the Raptors at center. Zero idea.

- I’m not a fan of the Brandon Knight/Rodney Stuckey backcourt in the same way that I’m not a fan of the Monta Ellis/Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis/Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis/Baron Davis pairings. In the brief time that I watched Stuckey/Knight they appeared to play in spite of each other as opposed to together. Their skills appear to offset rather than complement and neither of them consistently spaced out the floor beyond the three-point line to create more space for Monroe in the post. P.S. I love Monta Ellis.

- I’m glad Andre Drummond’s dunk party came at the expense of ex-Piston Amir Johnson who is either disinterested to the point of neglect or it was his first professional game of his career. Either way, there’s obviously reason to be excited for Drummond. He’s hope and excitement embodied in a monstrous frame equipped with freakish athleticism. He had a great game, a game he’s capable of having, but if history repeats itself, Drummond’s next game will be equally frustrating and miserable. Based on potential and value alone, it does seem absurd tonight that the Raptors selected Terrence Ross one pick before Drummond at the 2012 NBA Draft. It ruined my evening then and just did again tonight. See, history does repeat itself.

- You know who might be more physically impressive than Drummond? Corey Maggette. I fall for Maggette every year and this year is no different. He slashes and drives at impossible speeds considering his size and strength. Start that man at the four. Move him to the three after bringing in Drummond off the bench. Move him to the two after Jonas Jerebko enters the game. Put the ball in Maggette’s hands. Damnit. He got me again. Only Lamar Odom is a greater vice than Maggette.

64 Comments

  • Oct 11, 20121:40 am
    by Daye and Knight

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    Still think we need to start Drummond and pair him next to Moose. Getting past the game we just watched, ya he’s still raw but even that to me is better than starting Maxiell at the 4 and having Monroe get into foul trouble and get out muscled guarding legitimate 5′s. Worst comes to worst we end up with a high pick and Drummond gets some experience. I like us as a team and all, but sorry I don’t see us making playoffs guys…sorry to be negative nancy here but I just don’t see it lol

  • Oct 11, 20126:06 am
    by gmehl

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    “It does seem absurd tonight that the Raptors selected Terrence Ross one pick before Drummond at the 2012 NBA Draft”
    I get the distinct feeling that anyone that has something to do with the Raptors will regret not taking Drummond. One of his blocks was absolutely crazy. He almost blocked it with his arm pit but the best thing about it was that he swatted it back down court where we could get it back again.

    In regards to Daye and Knight’s comments above…i think it’s way too early to throw Drummond into the fire. If he can come off the bench and give us 8pts 8reb 2blks per game then it will be a successful year for him. The last thing you want is for the kid to get exploited and embarrassed by savvy veterans and lose his confidence. I say ease him in slowly and then maybe by the all-star break start him. Another thing to is it’s only the 1st pre-season game and it’s way to early to judge how this team will go. I personally think they have a slim chance for the 8th spot if one of Stuckey, Knight or Jerebko can have a breakout season.

  • Oct 11, 20128:12 am
    by @GPMasters

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    Let Drummond feel his way in from the bench, no need to heap the pressure on him. He admitted he was nervous before this game. As it was, he provided some great moments and if he can do that all season we have no reason for complaint even if he never starts a single game all year.

    Was really pleased to get the win – although the 0-13 from 3 is a bit worrying! As is the fact that they made 11 three pointers. Got to tighten that up at both ends

  • Oct 11, 20128:14 am
    by David

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    I can’t wait to see some action from Slava next game. If he’s already “more polished” than Drummond, based on tonights game, he’s going to be a pretty nice pick up.  At the absolute least, this season will be damn exciting purely due to all the potential we have.

    • Oct 11, 20129:49 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I don’t know that he’s necessarily ‘more polished’ overall. I thought he was based on the open practice. After last night’s game, I’m not as convinced. It’s possible Drummond just had a bad day during the scrimmage. I think Kravstov will be a serviceable defender, but Drummond was a game-change last night. I don’t know how many others watched him at the practice, but I almost can’t believe I was watching the same player. Unreal difference in less than a week.

      • Oct 11, 201211:10 am
        by apa8ren9

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        I agree Patrick, I was there and its like a 180 turn.  Slava definitely looked better during the practice but obviously something happened.  Im excited and I cant wait till the next game.  I need to see more. 

        • Oct 11, 201211:21 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Too bad they play the Raptors again Friday. Would like to see him against a team that actually plays defense.

          • Oct 11, 201211:50 am
            by bugsygod

            Milwaukee saturday?  They have dalmbert and henson, two players best known for defense and shotblocking.  Also will hope Drummond plays Friday against Raps, as frank indicated some guys wont play every game.  Would like to see if Drummond & knight can back up there good games and show they can be consistent.  Thats the only downside of not playing guys whole games, need to make sure they can be consistent game to game.  Im sure knight will start, but not sure how much time Drummond will get. 

  • Oct 11, 20129:00 am
    by vic

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    Well, whadya know, WYSIWYG strikes again. 12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 steals in 22 minutes. Thats exactly what he did at UCONN, playing the game of basketball. Not bad for somebody that can’t play basketball. Only now he has better coaches, better point guards, and more time to work at it.

    The great thing is he not only got the stats, he changed the game with those blocks and steals. Last year, going 0-13 from the 3 pt line is a guaranteed loss. This year, we have size and athleticism in the paint. That’s a great improvement.

    Hopefully this game and his first impression cements him at least 15 minutes in the rotation, if not 20. You can’t sit that type of production on the bench. Will Bynum just secured himself the backup PG spot too, by developing that chemistry with Drummond and playing better all around. They at least gave Lawrence a reason to go back to his game plan notebook.

    • Oct 11, 20129:02 am
      by vic

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      And if Slava does even better than him… I’m moving GMonroe to PF by the last game of preseason!

    • Oct 11, 20129:06 am
      by vic

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      plus, his highlight dunks get play on ESPN… thats good for the Pistons

    • Oct 11, 20126:32 pm
      by tarsier

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      When it comes to Drummond, I certainly hope what you see is not what you get. In college, he was an occasional difference maker but usually a moderately contributing big body. The reason he was touted as a high draft pick is all his potential, which, more often than not, was not on display at UConn.

  • Oct 11, 20129:07 am
    by revken

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    I think it’s way too early to anoint Drummond as a starter, because it’s only one game and we haven’t seen Kravtsov yet in a real game.  He probably will have ups and downs - most rookies do.  Still, this first game is very encouraging because it shows us what’s possible.  The fact that he was playing against vets off the Raptors’ bench impresses me, too.  We just need to remember that this was Toronto, we were playing at home, and we won by only 2 points.  We play them again at their place in 2 days, so it will be interesting to see how that goes.  Glad to see Knight have a solid game, too.

  • Oct 11, 20129:14 am
    by bugsygod

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    - We need to get Drummond paired up with Monroe now.  No since waiting on who plays well together, Drummond & Monroe are the future lets get that started now.  Monroe needs help on D and Drummond needs someone to help get him easy looks. 
    - Love Love Coach Frank and his player rotations, excellect to have JJ first off the bench, then Daye/CV battle at the other spot for the stretch four.  Maggette back up Stuck and you can begin to see a solid rotation forming, A LOT of versatility on this team, something i think Joe has been looking for these last 4-5yrs. Jerbko plays 3/4, Maggette 2/3, CV/Daye stretch 4, Drummond/Slava rim protectors
    - Knight was effiecient, showed good decision making and didnt turn it over.  He needs to get that 3 going as Patrick mentioned he may be are biggest threat from beyond the arc
    - They still need work on the defensive end, as raptors were able to get to the rim alot(derozan), but once Drummond/Slava get more time i think they will be a big help there.
    - Maxiel i think provides the biggest dilemna, if you start him and not drummond/slava then one of those two is probably out of the rotation.  Maxiel provides what both of those guys do except as a smaller player.  hmmmm… frank is in a conudrum there.  because if after last night Drummond doesnt play, the Fans will mutiny!  And if slava comes out next game and shows the same or greater ability now, tough tough for maxiel to keep his spot.  Then he falls all the way out of the rotation, (he’s not taking JJ’s spot as first big off bench)
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    - my concerns: Rodney Stuckey, did not see the consistent aggresion i was looking for or the defensive potential to be better than average.  He seemed to take the game as a preseason game, so i think on Stuck will have to wait to reg. season to see if he really has turned the corner.  Three point shooting, with just knight as a consistent threat among the starters, we have to have either CV or Daye, step up and take that 4th big spot and be a consitent 3pt threat. Defense again, started off well here, but too many breakdowns on the perimeter and with no shot blockers starting, raptors got some ez looks on the inside. Still dont like bynum, a backup pg is supposed to provide steady/calm influence on the court, this guy brings wild,loose chaos for his own team and the other.  his decision making is still suspect. 
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    Overall I still see a playoff team contending for the 8th spot, the bucks, hawks, raptors and bulls will be the toughest comp for that spot and i like are talent better than all them, (until rose comes back with the bulls, IF he comes back this year)
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  • Oct 11, 20129:25 am
    by Tiko

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    give this core 5 years together 

    • Oct 11, 20126:35 pm
      by tarsier

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      It is awfully rare in the NBA for a core to have 5 years together. If it takes that long to fire on all cylinders, you have a serious problem.

  • Oct 11, 20129:27 am
    by Levi Thieman

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    the most impressive to me was the new and improved Will Bynum. I was especially impressed with his new mentality in terms of his objective when he gets into the lane by using his dribble penetration. I noticed Will looking to pass off of his dribble penetration more frequently than he did in recent years
     

    • Oct 11, 201211:02 am
      by Georgio

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      Will did have good chemistry with Drummond and looked to pass more than usual, but I think he may be playing himself out of the backup point guard position. I noticed on at least two occassions that Frank was upset with Will, with one time he stomped his feet and turned his back in discus, because he wouldn’t push the ball. Several times Will just let the ball roll up the court while Frank was on the sidelines waving his arms to run. Frank wants Knight and Stuckey to push the ball hard, do you really think he wants Will to walk the ball up, No. If Flynn or Williams will push ball and find open teamates, I think Will may be in a little trouble. Even if you have a good game, if you’re not doing what the coach wants you may wind up in the doghouse.  

  • Oct 11, 20129:29 am
    by apa8ren9

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    My head is spinning, Ive said bring Drummond along slowly.  His performance, his poise on the court last night really, really makes me want to change that stance.   However, it was Toronto and preseason.  In any event I want to see more.  I cant wait till the next game.  I didnt watch  the entire 4th quarter but I dont believe Drummond and Monroe were in at the same time.  This was very encouraging and I have to take back what I said. Drummond wont embarass himself if he gets more than 5 minutes of playing time. Definitely not against Toronto.

    • Oct 11, 20129:48 am
      by neutes

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      The Raptors front court really isn’t anything to scoff at though. They have some talent up there. JV, Davis, Amir, Gray. That’s a lot of size and athleticism. Monroe had a tough time scoring against them. I think he had at least 3 of his shots blocked. Drummond was able to find open spots and get some offensive boards.

  • Oct 11, 20129:42 am
    by neutes

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    Drummond was impressive. Gotta start there. Looks like athleticism and size are going to trump fundamentals for the time being. Once he becomes more fundamentally sound watch out. 

    I don’t have much to say about the rest of the team. They all looked about like you would expect. Knight had a good game, but he’s had good games in the past as well. I’m waiting on some consistency before getting all giddy about it. 

    I’m not sure what the strategy was with the rotations and having basically two squads out there for the game. I’d like to see some different looks. For one, having Monroe and Drummond on the floor together. I’d like to see Slava and English get some burn. I’m thinking Maggette is going to see the majority of bench minutes at SG and SF. English is going to have to earn some time. 

    If the point of that was to prove how horrible CV is then it makes sense. Now we can move along. Nice try Charlie. Glad to see all that hard work pay off for ya. If he gets regular minutes over Drummond or Slava I might have a conniption. I don’t need to see any more, like, ever.

    You have the whole preseason to monkey around with lineups and such, but you’d think you would want to use the first part of the preseason to experiment and the latter part of it to start narrowing down some things instead of vice versa. 
     

  • Oct 11, 20129:47 am
    by Michelob Mike

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    Frank’s going to give everyone a chance, just not all in the same game. Which is wise, because it’s hard for a player to get comfortable on the floor if he only gets five minutes of playing time. Next game we’ll probably see Slava, English, Middleton, Daye instead of some of the guys we saw last night.

  • Oct 11, 201210:15 am
    by Al

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    Wow I loved the energy in the 1st quarter from the starters. They were refreshing to see in motion considering all the articles and blogs I’ve read in the off season as far as there work ethics and non-stop commitment to improving all around. I like that Frank left his 2nd unit out there with the game on the line to evaluate and watch how they would respond to the pressure of Toronto making a comeback to even the score with 1min left in the 4th. Drummond made is pressence felt, Bynum managed the team well down the stretch and had wonderful chemistry with Drummond. Monroe had another double double, Knight has improved and is aggressive. Jerebko is back where he left off it seems, overall I liked what they bought to the table last night! Great effort!!

  • Oct 11, 201210:28 am
    by George

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    My notes from the game:

    - I have no clue why we kept allowing Monroe to dribble the ball into the paint from the three to take a clumsy hook.  It was a turnover/block waiting to happen.  I wouldn’t let him wander further than the free throw line.

    - Maxiel and Prince really aren’t worth quality minutes, especially for a team that probably is a player off from being a very quality NBA team.  It is crazy to think that we may just need to upgrade SF to be complete.

    - Drummond looked great obviously.  I know I shouldn’t get my hopes up quite yet, but I was very impressed, especially with his body language.  He was quick to help teammates on the ground, always seemed active, took direction well on the court.  You could tell his teammates genuinely loved trying to get him the ball near the rim.  This is huge for his self-esteem.  Long story short, based on ONE GAME, at the very least, we have a crazy bargaining chip if someone ever wanted to offer a blockbuster.  From what we saw, Drummond has the potential to be a stud.

    • Oct 11, 201210:30 am
      by George

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      I should also add that I think Knight looked great.  Very poised.  I hated his cross court passes, even if the guys looked open.

    • Oct 11, 201210:54 am
      by David

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      George,
        Max and Prince should get quality minutes thru January. I’m hoping we can build up their trade value. Max is on an expiring, Prince will have one more year which won’t seem like an albatross to a contender looking for what Prince can bring (he really can be useful to a playoff team needing some depth at the 3).
      With an expiring, decent sized contract, and some serious grit and toughness Max might be the most tradable Piston. The Heat could very well need some front court depth. Spurs, Nuggets, Knicks, Nets too. And they’ll all be in the mix. 

      All I want is a 1st round pick. Too much to ask for some combination of Max, Prince, CV, Daye, Middleton, and Bynum?    

      Considering Dumars success with 2nd rounders (say what you want about him, he might be one of the better 2nd round drafters in the NBA), I’d be happy with one or two of those too.

       

  • Oct 11, 201210:55 am
    by vic

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    I also love the fact that Maggette played the 2 and Jerebko played the 3. 

    That way if Slava plays well and Drummond continues to offer what he did last night, you could start Slava at the 5, let Drummond back him up. Start Monroe at the 4, let Maxiell back him up. and run a straight dribble drive & cut offense when Maxiell and Drummond are in. Then Daye or Villanueva can take Max’s spot when they need to stretch the floor.

    That 2nd team would be a really aggressive attack – Bynum Maggette Jerebko Maxiell Drummond. 

  • Oct 11, 201211:02 am
    by David

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    by “most tradable” I was not including any Piston that either should not or most likely won’t (because Dumars likes them) be traded: Monroe, Drummond, Stuckey, Knight.   I think Dumars pretty much sees those 4 as 80% of the future starting 5.

  • Oct 11, 201211:30 am
    by BIGMARV

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    Its time for lawrence frank to dig deep into his gut and start the best starting 5 he can put together. He has the weapons to get the best line up he can. Its time for him to sit down Tayshawn (even though he has a nice size contract and you have to give him playing time). But the guys that is competing for his position Jerebko and even Magette are playing hard and showing that they want to be the starting SF for the team. Tay is worn out and getting slow the type of game he had in the past was defined on energy and help defense and by him not having much for offense he cant survive guarding the best at that position. Maxiell I love his heart and his fight and his improvement from last year but he has to sit back down drummond is raw (and have too much size)  but hes better than a 8 year vet maxiell is right now Andre will just have to learn as he go his talent is too much for him to just sit back and take a year off he’s nba ready now he will be a force with monroe right by his side. I know frank wants to keep the veternas in the rotation as a coach and he has a high respect for them of corse its the safe way, but its too much talent riding the pine this year its time to shape that line-up before the season starts to compete with the best in the NBA and to have fans coming to fill up them red seats.

    PG-KNIGHT

    SG-STUCKEY

    SF-JEREBKO

    PF-MONROE

    C-DRUMMOND         

  • Oct 11, 201212:01 pm
    by Tom Y.

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    Knight/Bynum
    Stuckey/Maggette/English
    JJ/Maggette/Singler (I know, that other is not on the team as far as I’m concerned)
    Monroe/Max
    Drummond/Slava

    That’s a pretty good team, isn’t it? Inexperienced guys at the 3 and 5 who will surely make some mistakes, but otherwise an energetic, hard playing, talented team. Anyone who isn’t on the list can be traded for a bag of chips for all I care (Max should be traded too but should have some value at the deadline).

  • Oct 11, 201212:45 pm
    by RyanK

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    “he solidified himself as a key reserve tonight.”
     
    Is this some kind of joke?  He has one performance where he didn’t completely dominate the ball and he’s a lock for the rotation?  Pay no attention to the oh-lay defense… 
    If Bynum is going to get regular minutes, than you can forget about the playoffs. 

    • Oct 11, 201212:59 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Haha. So Bynum played bad defense, but did you happen to notice that Stuckey and Knight were arguably worse defensively in this game? I mean, the guards as a unit didn’t defend well, but that’s Bynum’s fault?

      He’s a backup PG who is going to play maybe 15-20 minutes per game, and last night, he showed he’s capable of playing at a slower pace, looking to pass first and taking care of the ball. But yeah, the team making the playoffs or not this year totally comes down to a backup PG. That’s definitely the biggest issue this team has.

      • Oct 11, 20123:21 pm
        by revken

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        If we look at what Bynum did the 3 years prior to last year, we have a guy whose per 36 averages are really solid – 6+ assists and 14+ points.  That’s not bad for a backup point guard.  For sure he’s not perfect, but until we have someone we know is better, he’s the #2 guy.  Flynn and Williams haven’t done anything YET to merit replacing him.  Seing as Stuckey can also back up Knight at the point, I’d say it’s not our biggest issue as long as our guards stay healthy.  What will keep us out of the playoffs is the fact that our best players are really young and there are veteran teams better positioned for spots 1-8.

        • Oct 11, 20123:53 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Sorry, I was being sarcastic there. I agree with you. Bynum is fine as a backup PG. If he’s healthy, he will help.

          • Oct 11, 201210:58 pm
            by BIGMARV

            I agree that all three of them dont play good Defense but It would be nice to have a defensive specialist similiar to what Lindsey hunter was his second time around in detoit during the ’04 championship run along with mike james those guys were pest on any guards in the league.

      • Oct 11, 20124:13 pm
        by RyanK

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        Stuckey has proven to be a good defender, so lets not even gaze over into that parallel universe you’re imagining.  If he had an off game, it was just an off game…  Knight was average last year on the defensive end…again, an off game is an off game.  Bynum on the other hand is having an off game when he’s doing well defensively.  We know for a fact he’s a terrible defender; he’s proven that his entire tenure with the pistons.  Last night is the best you’re going to see from him the rest of his career.
         
        Backup guard in general is our biggest concern.  If Will Bynum is the guy we are counting on to carry the load while Stuckey and Knight rest, this will not be a playoff team.
         
        Backup point guard is more on this team than just spelling Knight for 13 minutes per game.  Backup means he will take the minutes when Knight is injured, in foul trouble, struggling, or even suspended.  If Knight can’t get rest because the best we have behind him is Bynum, he will not be as effective as he could be.  They do play back to back games in this league.
         
        Bynum is a human black hole on offense and can’t defend at the NBA level…it hurts the team having him on the floor.  If he’s our go to guard off the bench, they have no chance at the playoff this season.  We know Will Bynum; there’s nothing more to learn.

        • Oct 11, 20124:42 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “Stuckey has proven to be a good defender, so lets not even gaze over into that parallel universe you’re imagining.”

          I’m in a parallel universe? Name me the planet where Stuckey is a proven good defender? I think most would agree he has the physical tools to be a good defender, but, like on offense, we’ve rarely seen an extended stretch of good defensive play from him. He’s inconsistent defensively. I’ll give you average, but no one who has watched his career closely would call him ‘good’ defensively at this point.

          “Knight was average last year on the defensive end…again, an off game is an off game.”

          Knight was not ‘average’ defensively last year. He was below average by just about every defensive measure. Like Stuckey, he has the physical tools to improve defensively whereas Bynum has physical limitations that will always be there, but no one who watched Knight’s rookie season would call him ‘average’ defensively based on that body of work.

          “Last night is the best you’re going to see from him the rest of his career.”

          So he peaked in a preseason opener? That’s unfortunate. So I guess everything written today about the team liking his chemistry with Drummond both in that game and behind the scenes is worthless? I guess that it didn’t actually play out on the court that Drummond was immediately involved in the game by Bynum? Again, that’s worthless? Might as well cut bait and go with two lottery picks who have got absolutely nothing out of their talents in their careers as opposed to a guy who has fought every step of the way just to be on a NBA court? And on top of that, a guy who has flat out been way more productive than either guy in his career?

          “Backup means he will take the minutes when Knight is injured, in foul trouble, struggling, or even suspended.”

          Wow, what a revelation! You mean if a team isn’t without one of its starters/best players for an extended period of time, that team will be worse?! I had no idea!

          Seriously, what position is that not true of on this team? If Monroe can’t play and they’re forced to role with Villanueva, that will be a problem, right? If Stuckey is hurt and those minutes go to Maggette or English, that will be a problem. Even Maxiell getting hurt or missing time hurts.

          This is a fringe playoff team banking on young players improving with little margin for error. If anyone in their rotation, including Bynum, can’t play, then they are in trouble.  Hell, if Bynum got hurt and they were forced to play Flynn or Williams at backup PG and you don’t think they would be worse off than if Bynum had those minutes, you’ve obviously not watched enough of Williams or Flynn.

          “Bynum is a human black hole on offense”

          Bynum assist percentage in 08-09 – 35.3 (led team)
          Bynum assist percentage in 09-10 – 28.2 (led team)
          Bynum assist percentage in 10-11 – 28.6 (led team) 
          Bynum assist percentage in 10-11 – 22.4 (third on team, ahead of Knight) 

          So Bynum is a black hole, even though, based on percentages, he picks up assists on more of his possessions than anyone on the team for his Pistons career? I mean, even his bad season last year, he still did a better job of getting assists than the team’s starting PG, and somehow you destroy him for selfishness and say not a word about the team’s starting PGs in that span?

          I know, I know. You have no use for statistics that are contrary to what your infallible eyes see. I’ll show myself out.

          Bynum is a good passer. He’s a good finisher, especially considering his size. His speed puts pressure on a defense. He gets more assists when he’s on the court than Detroit’s other guards (and it’s not just my eyes telling me that … stats back it up).

          Yes, he’s a defensive liability. Yes, he can be turnover prone. But he is also capable of playing like he did last night. He’s had impactful performances off the bench throughout his career. There’s absolutely no reason to continually trash the guy. He is a flawed bench player with a few useful skills who works as hard as anyone on the team and is signed to a very reasonable contract. There’s no reason to not have him around.

          • Oct 11, 20126:39 pm
            by RyanK

            Dominate the ball and you will get some assists.  Why don’t you put together an essay on his usage percentage being similar to Carmello Anthony and Kobe Bryant?

          • Oct 11, 20128:26 pm
            by bugsygod

            When has bynum EVER been better than stuckey or knight?  You had me on some of this stuff, but better than the 2 lottery picks he cant beat out?  Bynum is a defensive liabilty with his size and indifference to defense.  Does not fight thru screens, only plays hard on D occasionaly.  Offensive game is attack the rack shoot first pg.  He again has the capabilty to pass and get assists, BUT he doesnt always do it. He gets tunnel vision and doesnt see his teammates until hes in trouble.  I think he is the best lob passer on the team, BUT tunnel vision and does not do it enough.  Would love to get Eric Maynor from okc for our backup spot.

          • Oct 11, 20128:32 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            I didn’t say he was ‘better’ necessarily. I was just arguing Ryan’s point. He called Bynum a black hole, but percentage-wise, Bynum actually picks up assists at a better rate for his career than Stuckey or Bynum do.

            I don’t think he’s better. Bynum has had the advantage of playing against second units and playing in garbage time when it’s a bit easier to get numbers.

            I absolutely don’t think Bynum is better than either guy. I just reject Ryan’s premise that Bynum is a ‘black hole’ or that he is somehow worthless to have on the team. From purely a ‘setting shots up for others’ standpoint, I think that comes more naturally to Bynum than it does to Stuckey or Knight, but Stuckey and Knight do other things that make them more valuable to have on the court big minutes and both are also obviously still young enough and talented enough to still be improving.

        • Oct 11, 20128:16 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Stuckey’s was higher two out of the four years Bynum has been here. Bynum’s was higher his first season and last season. Last season, it was just barely higher.

          Shoot-first guards have high usage rates. Other than last year, Bynum has been fairly efficient. He shoots an OK percentage and he gets assists. Turns it over a bit too much, but hey, no one’s saying he’s perfect. Just that to paint him as some useless, selfish player is pretty ridiculous, especially considering he’s had stretches here where he’s out-produced Stuckey when Stuckey was the primary PG.

          • Oct 11, 20128:28 pm
            by bugsygod

            Carmello Anthony at times has out produced lebron james, that doesnt make him better than lebron. 

          • Oct 11, 20128:34 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            Never once said it made him better. I’m just arguing that he’s not awful like Ryan is making him out to be.

          • Oct 11, 20129:08 pm
            by Tizz

            I think there’s some confusion here between Patrick and bugsy. When Patrick says “Might as well cut bait and go with two lottery picks who have got absolutely nothing out of their talents in their careers as opposed to a guy who has fought every step of the way just to be on a NBA court? And on top of that, a guy who has flat out been way more productive than either guy in his career?” – he’s not referring to Stuckey and Knight, he’s referring to Flynn and Williams. I think you guys are both in agreement with each other. 

          • Oct 11, 20129:14 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            Ah, now it makes sense. Thanks Tizz.

            Yeah bugsy, I was talking Flynn/Williams, not Knight/Stuckey. Flynn and Williams are the lottery picks who have got nothing out of their talent and they were the guys, since they’re both PGs, who were presumably brought in to compete for Bynum’s roster spot/role. I was just making the point that, if the Pistons did decide to part with Bynum, the guys behind him vying for that spot do not represent upgrades.  They’ve both been much worse players than Bynum in his career, even if Bynum is flawed. 

          • Oct 11, 201210:58 pm
            by bugsygod

            oh ok!  Yeah from what ive seen i would say bynum over tw/tf.  So yeah i agree with you there.  LOL

  • Oct 11, 201212:51 pm
    by Mel

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    I’m glad Drummond dispelled the rumors about his game to the public. He’s only going to get better. Bring him in slow because confidence and consistency is what we want from him. His game is good enough to play now. It’s funny how many doubted whether if he would be a bust or not, well he’s not a Kwame or Darko, basketball is basket ball. He showed his skill set in high school , college( just didn’t have a coach to coach him) and now you have tonights game. Yes it’s one game but his athleticism allows him to be a game changer regardless. The key is to not let him depend on just his athleticism and to broaden his game. Next year if the team practices again like they did this year look out. Drummond and Kravtov will be our centers this year.  

    • Oct 11, 20124:25 pm
      by RyanK

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      I was happy to see Drummond do well last night.  But lets hold back the optimism until he proves he can do it regularly or even again.  I really didn’t see anything that resembled fundamentals from ‘Dre.  He jumps high and runs fast effortlessly. 
       
      He rolled to the basket for lobs…that’s positive, but did you see where his defender was?  A good coach would have benched Amir for not being between ‘Dre and the basket…he was flat footed fronting him.  ‘Dre gets credit for recognizing that.  When the league figures out he’s capable of that, he won’t get to do it anymore.
       
      What I saw is what the media has already described…raw athletic ability.  He can jump and he runs fast without effort.  That can earn him a good living…if he wants to be an allstar, he’ll have to develop some sort of fundamentals.  
       

      • Oct 11, 20128:16 pm
        by bugsygod

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        Ummm DUH!  This is what every poster has said great athletic gifts needs to work on skills.  What are you saying new? I guess i dont understand what your trying to say hear?  Be patient or he wont ever get the skills?

  • Oct 11, 20121:49 pm
    by Otis

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    My broad first impressions, or at least as much as I learned from a preseason game between two of the league’s least exciting teams:

    *Coach Frank went with as predictable and veteran a lineup as expected. As a result, it felt a lot like last year’s team, which isn’t a good thing at all. And because of the excruciating pace of this rebuilding effort, it just feels too close to close to every Pistons team since the Allen Iverson era for my comfort. A bunch of combo guards all trying to do a little of everything, with bland results I know English and Singler and Slava (and maybe Flynn or T-Will) will have chances in the preseason, but realistically this team is going to play as old and experienced a lineup as possible. For better or for worse. LOL JK it’ll just be for worse!

    *The starting unit did seem to play pretty well as a unit, even if they weren’t being defended. Ball movement was generally good. A starting five that includes Jason Maxiell (and, well, probably Rodney Stuckey) isn’t going to take you far, and maybe Drummond or Slava should start sooner rather than later. The main problem here is that sound fundamentals are good and maybe necessary (and boy have they been missed), but they’re not going to get the job done on a team with as many limitations as this one. Need to add talent badly. Nobody you can rely on for a bucket. Generally you might say your team’s only going as far as your best player can take you, and the 04 Pistons were the exception because they had five excellent players, but our best player by a mile is Greg Monroe, and as long as that’s the case we’re cooked.

    *Nobody solidified anything yesterday, but I liked the Will Bynum I saw last night. He did that thing he usually does when he’s having a good game and feeling it and then he starts to try to do too much and maybe take a bad shot or two, but I think he did a generally good job of running the second unit. Sort of made me wonder what Maggette was even doing out there. They seemed to be going for the Rip play where Maggette runs around multiple screens for a catch-and-shoot, but Maggette was too slow to get the ball in time.

    *I was also reminded of an old Pistons trope where the organization shoves down our throats the one thing a player does, like it justifies his presence. “But he gets to the free throw line!” LOL Naw. When you have ten guys out there all trying to do a little bit of everything, those individual skills tend to get lost. If we learned nothing else from Ben Gordon’s role on this team, it should be that there isn’t room for a one-dimensional third or fourth guard on this team to contribute anything meaningful. Knight and Stuckey are going to get the bulk of the minutes and the bulk of the shots from the backcourt, so if you can’t bring in anyone to slide Stuckey to that sixth man role, you may as well put in a spot-up shooter who can defend. If only we had access to an Afflalo. (groan) Maybe it’s English, but there’s no room in this backcourt for Maggette to have an impact and be the kind of player he wants to be and I’m convinced of that as of last night. If Bynum is your primary backup ballhandler, let him run the show for fifteen minutes a game. There’s no need to put the ball in Corey Maggette’s hands for an iso. Really wanted to see Bynum and English out there together.

    *Drummond looked good, and I loved the activity, as well as the alertness and chemistry with Bynum. Here’s hoping he plays 82 games and cracks the starting lineup before the season is done. He already looks more useful than Maxiell.

    *Max probably put in his standard under-the-radar performance. I liked that he hit a few open jumpers. I didn’t like that it gave him the confidence to miss a few. I’ve said this before, but if the team isn’t using his production to establish value and trade him at the deadline, I have no idea what he’s doing here anymore. Same could be said for Maggette, but as I said above, I don’t see there being room in this backcourt for anyone to carve a niche who isn’t here to defend and make shots in limited minutes. You wanna put the ball in his hands and let him attack the basket? Why bother?

    *The team still has that dreadful feeling of being totally unremarkable. Drummond looked good and solid, Knight turned in the kind of performance he needs to duplicate every night if we want to be competitive, Jonas was incredibly active and fun to watch, and Tayshaun looked as solid as ever (though he also needs to be traded for value). But I couldn’t help but wonder what this team would have looked like against a probable playoff team, or even one that put up any sort of resistance. I don’t think there’s a very high ceiling on your team if Greg Monroe is your best player.

    * At one point we were basically tied, but the Pistons were winning points in the paint by a margin of like 48-16. Literally. This doesn’t bode well. Few, if any, teams are as soft on the interior as Toronto, so you’re rarely going to win that battle, and never by so much. Also, they were killing us from the perimeter. They had multiple guys who could dribble to create space and get their own shots, good looks, ones they looked comfortable with. Ball movement is really our only hope at winning anything, because we don’t have the personnel to do that, so let’s hope that keeps up. And against good teams.

    CAN’T WAIT FOR OUR NEXT EXCITING MATCHUP WITH THE RAPTORS! HOPE I DON”T HAVE TO WAIT TOO LONG! ECF PREVIEW??? LOL     

    • Oct 11, 20122:30 pm
      by bugsygod

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      You are obviously not a pistons fan, more like a wannabe pistons fan.  If you say they are starting an old unit??  They have only 2 guys above the age of 30 on the ENTIRE TEAM, one that starts, so i dont see how you see the same old unit.  You keep talking about the players we dont have, why dont you look at the team and players we do have.  This is the season not off season.  Every team Every player has strengths and weakness, to say that maggette & stuckeys strong point is getting to the line theres something wrong with that?  You keep subtly bashing Monroe, but yes he is our best player and all star caliber, no he is not d. howard or Dirk, but he is a very good player and future mutliple all star, not sure why the bashing of Monroe(weird)?  There will be 7 more preseason games so im sure they will play a more comptent front court, so you will be able to judge from there.  So keep up your Piston bashing, while providing no coherent analysis.  Instead of talking about what they dont have, maybe you should provide analysis of the current players and team.  Better yet, why not just root for a different team??  Lakers, Heat seem to have the players your looking for and im sure they would take more bandwagon riders.    

      • Oct 12, 20122:41 am
        by Otis

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        What do you mean not a fan? That’s not fair to say. I just don’t like the way the team is built, and I’m not going to go on some blog to share anything but my honest feelings. There’s a lot not to like here, and only a few really promising pieces. It’s just not enough to get me excited, since the team is on a trajectory to be taken seriously in like 4 more years, which will be basically a decade since they were last taken seriously. Why pretend something’s there that’s not?

        Also, yes we have a young team for once. Only two thirtysomethings on the roster. But all I said is that Frank went with the most predictable veteran lineup he could have. Just more of the seniority game, going with the incumbent starters who don’t form an impressive unit just because they fell only a little short of .500 to end our third consecutive wasted season.

        And I’m not bashing Monroe. I just think he’s one of the markers of why this team is no good. If he’s your best player, you’re in trouble. He’s a fringe all-star at best, with room to improve, but he’s not even Pau Gasol (not even close yet) and when Gasol was THE MAN on the Grizzlies they stunk. Monroe should be the second or third best player on a really good team. It’s not an insult, it’s just what it is. Same could be said for a team that starts Maxiell and Stuckey. Those two guys are only PLUS players if they’re coming off the bench. Each is doomed to be sub-par on most nights compared to most starting 2s and 4s.

        And how is my analysis incoherent? I think you’re just here to be mean to anyone who isn’t optimistic about the team’s prospects this season. Stop bullying me and have a civil conversation. Just cause we’re on the internet doesn’t mean you should leave your manners at home.

        • Oct 12, 20122:46 am
          by Otis

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          For the record, I love this team and both of the tough, hard-nosed, balanced teams who brought my city championships. But I disagree with absolutely everything the front office has done to put the current bad incarnation of the team together, aside from the last three first round picks, where all management needed to do was not screw it up. I’m not going to pretend to be enthusiastic about a team that looks a whole lot like the one that’s been in the bottom third of the league for the last third of a decade just to keep people like you from trying to silence me.

        • Oct 12, 20122:26 pm
          by bugsygod

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          Most of your comments sound sarcastic, not constructive and seem mean spiritied toward the team, players, management and ownership …”coach frank with predictable veteran starting lineup”.  Who was supposed to start?  singler for prince?  jerbko for maxiel?  Give him a chance to see who fits together, who plays well together.  It is one preseason game, who knew Drummond would play like that.  Can Drummond keep playing like that, then maxiel doesnt start.  Lets see singler play then we can know if he can take princes spot.  So what lineup changes would you have made? Start daye at shooting guard over stuckey?  They looked improved from last year.  That is what we all ask for improvement.  This is not an over night process.  Of course there were bad decisons, but you cant say the good decisons dont count or were no brainers.  many teams passed up monroe (minny) knight(utah) and drummond(cleveland) and regret there draft decisons.  So this young talented team was put together by the same team that won a championship.  So we know the ceiling with this management group… RINGS!  You do not agree with ANY decision the team makes, how to run the offens, the defense, what players to draft, what free agents to sign, how the players should play and even what trades to make.  I mean you should be running a Professional Basketball team !

  • Oct 11, 20122:30 pm
    by Keith

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    Some other Drummond impressions.
     
    -He’s still a little lost out there. Offensively there were possessions he would stand by the free throw line, not set a screen, and just watch the ball. He probably knew the play wasn’t for him, but still, make somebody pay attention to you. Defensively as well I remember he was bailed out a few times simply because the Raptors aren’t very good. He would watch the ball-handler and completely lose track of his man. Once he realized it, he would just position himself between the ball-handler and the basket and hope nobody passed to his man.
     
    - There were some concerns about his rebounding coming out of college. Obviously he’s a load on the offensive glass, but it’s his lack of fundamentals that holds him back from being great on the defensive boards. He has a bad tendency when in a group to jump up with only one hand, and just doesn’t have the touch to pull the ball in that way. He basically handed off two rebounds to CV doing this at the end of the game. If he consistently goes up with both hands, he could average 10 rbg this year.
     
    - Holy cow can that kid jump! Even when he didn’t have the best positioning or start, his hands seemed like they were at least a foot above everyone elses’ in the air. He could have dunked on a 12 foot hoop, and we should absolutely be sending him alley-oops as often as he can get open. I would love to see more of a two-man game with Monroe-Drummond where instead of Monroe getting too deep into his man (and getting blocked), he takes a fade step and tosses the ball high for Andre to throw down.
     
    - Defensively Drummond has good instincts, even if he still has a lot to learn. When he gets out of position, he at least puts himself where he’s most valuable – in front of the rim. Also, for a good shotblocker, he doesn’t tend to throw himself into fouls like other rookies. He seems to have a much better initial understanding of going for the block when the player has committed to the shot, not just everytime the ball-handler makes a fake.
     
    - All in all it was a good game for him. While I don’t expect every game to look that way (there will be clunkers), I really think he will eventually put it all together. I even liked his post-game quick interview. The biggest part to me was how immediately he dismissed playing well, saying that game is over and he’s already thinking about practice tomorrow and the next game. The best never rest, always trying to get better or squeeze that little bit more out of what they already have.

    • Oct 11, 20126:49 pm
      by tarsier

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      Nothing wrong with him handing off rebounds to CV unless he’s on your fantasy team. The point is which team ends up with it.

      • Oct 12, 20129:11 am
        by Keith

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        I’m not upset that the Pistons still ended up with the rebound, I’m just pointing out that CV (or any Piston) isn’t necessarily going to be there for that. Especially if we are playing against a team that can actually rebound, Drummond will likely tip a few of those balls to the opponent, giving up easy second chance points. It’s a pretty easy fix, use both hands. Once he gets that and practices it into his muscle memory, he can do it all the time.
         
        And I wouldn’t have even mentioned it if he was actively tipping the ball to CV, but that wasn’t the case. Each time I remember he simply wanted to be the first one to touch the rebound (not that anyone was as high in the air as him anyway) and couldn’t corral the ball with one hand. CV in those cases just happened to be the closest player. If Johnson or Valanciunas hadn’t already been going back on defense, the rebound would have been tapped right into their laps.

  • Oct 11, 20122:43 pm
    by vic

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    yeah when he gets a couple of fundamentals like boxing out and rebounding with 2 hands it’ll be good.
    he already picked up better dunking habits since summer league – 2 hands. im sure he’ll listen and figure out the rest

    • Oct 11, 20124:59 pm
      by Alex

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      In all fairness his dunks in SL weren’t off oops

  • Oct 11, 20124:29 pm
    by Corey

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    I really like the rotation with some combo of Kravtsov/Drummond at center, Monroe and Maxiel at PF, Prince and Jerebko at SF, Stuckey and Maggette at SG, and Knight/Bynum at PG. The only real holes are (1) experience and (2) 3 point shooting.

    Experience will come with time. 3 pt shooting can possibly be patched with Daye or CV, but I’m not optimistic. More likely, it won’t be fixed without a couple new rotation players. I want Prince and Maxiel to stay in the rotation until the trade deadline, and hopefully they can be traded for an asset or two.  By next year, remove Maggette, Prince (hopefully!), and Maxiel, and add in a couple guys who can shoot the three, and the Pistons are a real professional basketball team again.

    • Oct 11, 20124:56 pm
      by vic

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      agreed. thats an excellent plan – lineup and patient smart roster decisions

  • Oct 11, 20125:13 pm
    by Duke

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    Patick,
    I always wonder if the people with these negative views of Will Bynum ever played basketball as they seem to find an issue no matter how he”s playing. You can’t teach height which he doesn”t have but you also can”t teach heart, which he has more of than anyone else in the league. If you call it bad defense because he got beat off one or two pick & rolls I guess evey player in the league is garbage. Point blank when he is healthy he is one of the top back-up PG’s in the league. I can”t wait for him to have a great season this year and shut all these so call Piston fans up.

  • Oct 11, 20128:32 pm
    by gmehl

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    Have a read of the below article that was on realgm. I wonder who these 3 guys on the pistons they are talking about as being 3 of the most physical players in the league. You would assume Maxiell would be one but who are the other 2??
    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/223934/Valanciunas_Impresses_In_Debut_Raptors_To_Play_Up_Tempo_In_His_Minutes

  • Apr 10, 201312:11 am
    by Win Quibids Auctions

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    hey, I’m unable to subscribe for the RSS feed. Can you help or do you know why? thanks for the info.

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