Comments on: Greg Monroe comes in at No. 49 in ESPN #NBARank

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:28:18 +0000

The rankings are not done by simply lining up everyone in the league in order. Voters give each player a ‘score’ on a 1-10 scale. Monroe was a 6.66. Al Horford was 30th with a 7.56 average score. So when you think of it in terms of there’s a difference of .9 on this scale between Monroe being 49th and 30th, it’s really hard to call it a travesty or ‘ignorant’ or whatever. Yes, some people probably rated Monroe too low. But it’s not as if these rankings are saying, “all of these analysts think Monroe is significantly worse than the top 20 or 30 players in the league.” They actually show the opposite — Monroe is incredibly close to being in that elite category. I consider the top 5-7ish players the true franchise players, but that 8-20 range of really really good players? It’s conceivable Monroe jumps all the way in that group next season. He really doesn’t have much ground to make up.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:57:21 +0000

That’s true. If it counted OREBs and DREBs instead of just REBs, that would help big men such as Monroe.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:55:52 +0000

Totals for the season. Both Y! Sports and ESPN have their last season rankings available if you have a fantasy team (whether it has drafted yet or not). I don’t know where you’d find such rankings otherwise. I’m sure Monroe would slip in the ranks a bit on a per game basis as he played all 66 whereas much of his competition did not.

Anyway, I guess it’s kinda a moot point. Fact is that Monroe will probably again be a steal at his ADP.

By: Max

Max — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:24:40 +0000

I played in five leagues last year and can’t access them but I know he finished 12th. I don’t think any league counted offensive rebounds but that is the cat that would make him move up the most……

By: Max

Max — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:22:13 +0000

I can’t access my leagues anymore and I’m striking out at finding whatever lists you are looking at but are you looking at averages or production for the year?

By: tarsier

tarsier — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:06:54 +0000

Actually, ESPN uses those stats minus turnovers and there he was 23rd last year. So how did you arrive at the conclusion that he was 12th in your league?

By: tarsier

tarsier — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:01:28 +0000

I’m not sure how that could be then. Monroe’s TOs did skyrocket relative to his rookie year. But I would not expect the exclusion of that stat to make him leapfrog very many of the 28 ahead of him. I suppose he did have more turnovers than 22 of those 28 guys though, so maybe it’s possible that alone got him past 16 of those 22.

By: Max

Max — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:33:02 +0000

I think it was just minus turnovers.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:35:29 +0000

That’s certainly true. And it is not at all atypical fr players to be reached for or to fall more than 20% in some leagues. Just for their ADP to move more than that is highly atypical. So I was replying to your comments on where he would be drafted on average. I have no doubt that he will sometimes go much higher.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:32:50 +0000

What stats did said league use? Because by the conventional PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK 3PTM, FG%, FT%, and TOV, Monroe was the 29th best. And that would not vary from league to league.