Comments on: Andre Drummond, Darko Milicic and playing right away http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:29:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85325 G Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:44:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85325 Uh, Amir didn't start for Detroit, not really. He played in the D-league a ton, and then in '08-'09 he started 24 of the 62 games he played in getting less than 15 min a game. The last 2 years he's started a majority of the games he's played in, averaged over 24 min, 7-9pts and 6.4 rebs. He's not a stud, but he's pretty comparable to Jerebko. Detroit never started Darko. Obviously he never turned into much, but it's hard to know what he could've become if LB didn't destroy his confidence off the bat. We certainly never gave him the shot that Orlando, Memphis and Minnesota did. Afflalo was a throw-in for the Billups trade. Denver wasn't even asking for him, we just chucked him. You don't do that with a player you think has talent. He was never a starter for us (other than a couple games as an injury replacement) and we never gave him 20min. Denver started him and gave him serious minutes, and now he's a plus player. Uh, Amir didn’t start for Detroit, not really. He played in the D-league a ton, and then in ’08-’09 he started 24 of the 62 games he played in getting less than 15 min a game. The last 2 years he’s started a majority of the games he’s played in, averaged over 24 min, 7-9pts and 6.4 rebs. He’s not a stud, but he’s pretty comparable to Jerebko.

Detroit never started Darko. Obviously he never turned into much, but it’s hard to know what he could’ve become if LB didn’t destroy his confidence off the bat. We certainly never gave him the shot that Orlando, Memphis and Minnesota did.

Afflalo was a throw-in for the Billups trade. Denver wasn’t even asking for him, we just chucked him. You don’t do that with a player you think has talent. He was never a starter for us (other than a couple games as an injury replacement) and we never gave him 20min. Denver started him and gave him serious minutes, and now he’s a plus player.

]]> By: bugsygod http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85260 bugsygod Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:48:37 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85260 I guess i dont understand your term "give them a chance"?  You mean just say here go start?  EVERYONE of those guys has startred when they were with Detroit.  Amir was getting muscled (and still does)  so hes not a starter in this league.  Darko is Darko, he looks like a bum with absolutely NO desire to do anything.  Afflalo is a solid player in this league, no all star but solid starter, he played well with Detroit.  He was not let because of talent but to free money to CV & BG(dumb move) but nothing to do with talent.  Delfino has been a solid journeyman player throughout the league.  Again let go not for talent but money, but not a real big loss.  You put these four guys on THIS pistons team, they get marginally better because of afflalo. Still fighting for a playoff spot.  Maxiel, prince, stucky, monroe, jerbko have developed pretty well with detroit.  I guess i dont understand your term “give them a chance”?  You mean just say here go start?  EVERYONE of those guys has startred when they were with Detroit.  Amir was getting muscled (and still does)  so hes not a starter in this league.  Darko is Darko, he looks like a bum with absolutely NO desire to do anything.  Afflalo is a solid player in this league, no all star but solid starter, he played well with Detroit.  He was not let because of talent but to free money to CV & BG(dumb move) but nothing to do with talent.  Delfino has been a solid journeyman player throughout the league.  Again let go not for talent but money, but not a real big loss.  You put these four guys on THIS pistons team, they get marginally better because of afflalo. Still fighting for a playoff spot.  Maxiel, prince, stucky, monroe, jerbko have developed pretty well with detroit. 

]]> By: apa8ren9 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85246 apa8ren9 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:55:23 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85246 @Otis I did not miss your point at all.  You are so mad at Dumars no one else has personal responsibility. "As for Daye himself, it’s not all on him....When there were plenty of useful prospects available at positions of need. Then they buried him behind a bunch of veterans at the same position. Daye stinks, but he didn’t volunteer to come here; he was drafted. Then not developed. Bad draft pick, completely wasted, not developed at all…" This is exactly the type of excuse making for Daye Im talking about.  Is Dumars making Daye tweet all day? Is Dumars making Tayshaun pee in Daye's wheaties everyday?  Can Daye make a successful defensive rotation?  Does Dumars jump out of his seat and keep Daye from bricking a 3pointer or turning the ball over?  We both agree Daye sucks so stop blaming Dumars and keep it where its supposed to be on Daye. Who cares if he doesnt have confidence? Get some.  He still is on the team.  Like you said 4 years in the league.  Man Up! Just like everyday you draw a breath you can change, so can    Daye change minds each day he is still on the team.  And for the last time he is not buried on the roster.  He has every opportunity, especially since they are going to have a training camp, to change his status.  All of this conspiracy against him and "people" holding him back is ridiculous.  Man the season cant start soon enough.     @Otis
I did not miss your point at all.  You are so mad at Dumars no one else has personal responsibility.
“As for Daye himself, it’s not all on him….When there were plenty of useful prospects available at positions of need. Then they buried him behind a bunch of veterans at the same position. Daye stinks, but he didn’t volunteer to come here; he was drafted. Then not developed. Bad draft pick, completely wasted, not developed at all…”
This is exactly the type of excuse making for Daye Im talking about.  Is Dumars making Daye tweet all day? Is Dumars making Tayshaun pee in Daye’s wheaties everyday?  Can Daye make a successful defensive rotation?  Does Dumars jump out of his seat and keep Daye from bricking a 3pointer or turning the ball over?  We both agree Daye sucks so stop blaming Dumars and keep it where its supposed to be on Daye.
Who cares if he doesnt have confidence? Get some.  He still is on the team.  Like you said 4 years in the league.  Man Up! Just like everyday you draw a breath you can change, so can    Daye change minds each day he is still on the team.  And for the last time he is not buried on the roster.  He has every opportunity, especially since they are going to have a training camp, to change his status.  All of this conspiracy against him and “people” holding him back is ridiculous.  Man the season cant start soon enough.
 
 

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85201 G Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:41:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85201 No, I agree Daye was terrible last year. But the actual post was about Drummond and Milicic. Think about all the draft picks we let go over the years that we never developed - Darko, Amir, Delfino, Afflalo... The fact is the Pistons never gave any of those guys their shot. I thought they were going to give Daye his shot last year and then they re-signed Tayshaun. Daye had a terrible year, but it doesn't change the fact that the Pistons haven't developed their picks well and gave up too soon a a lot of guys. No, I agree Daye was terrible last year. But the actual post was about Drummond and Milicic. Think about all the draft picks we let go over the years that we never developed – Darko, Amir, Delfino, Afflalo…

The fact is the Pistons never gave any of those guys their shot. I thought they were going to give Daye his shot last year and then they re-signed Tayshaun. Daye had a terrible year, but it doesn’t change the fact that the Pistons haven’t developed their picks well and gave up too soon a a lot of guys.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85191 tarsier Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:16:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85191 That's true that Darko should have been getting minutes before the 'Sheed trade. But not that even a contending team should find 15 mpg to give a guy like Milicic. For a little while, sure. But when he doesn't capitalize on them, you gotta give the rest of the team as much time as possible to gel with each other to maximize their effectiveness in the postseason. And you have to really try to win your games, too, for higher seeding and an easier first and maybe second round. Playing a guy who doesn't contribute 15 mpg would be a bad move. That’s true that Darko should have been getting minutes before the ‘Sheed trade. But not that even a contending team should find 15 mpg to give a guy like Milicic. For a little while, sure. But when he doesn’t capitalize on them, you gotta give the rest of the team as much time as possible to gel with each other to maximize their effectiveness in the postseason. And you have to really try to win your games, too, for higher seeding and an easier first and maybe second round. Playing a guy who doesn’t contribute 15 mpg would be a bad move.

]]> By: Jameson Draper http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85122 Jameson Draper Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:04:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85122 Yeah, I feel like Drummond has a lot more upside than Maxiel. Yeah, I feel like Drummond has a lot more upside than Maxiel.

]]> By: Derek http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85108 Derek Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:28:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85108 I believe Drummond will be able to play his way into the rotation.  He at least has the physical tools to be dominate in the areas where we need him (defense and rebounding).  All he needs to do is put in the work and understand his role. If Drummond gets the rotations, understands what is expected on defense, and gobbles up rebounds that alone is enough to garner significant minutes.  I'm sure playing next to the uber skilled ever improving Monroe will make the game REALLY easy for him.  As for the addition of Twill, I am THRILLED.  The kids sees the court really well and his athleticism is off the charts.  He could be a star.  No offense to the guys we got at the SF, but I can't imagine a scenario where Twill does not outplay multiple guys.  At 6'6" 220 (poor hungry driven) we could be looking at our next starting SF.  Some nights Knight/Stuck could play off the ball and run the offense through Twill.  Also with Monroe we've got a big man capable of running the halfcourt offense as our hub.  C'mon October 1st!!  Let's get some official training camp and preseason games going.  Let's get our roster locked down.  Let's get some games going.  I believe Drummond will be able to play his way into the rotation.  He at least has the physical tools to be dominate in the areas where we need him (defense and rebounding).  All he needs to do is put in the work and understand his role.

If Drummond gets the rotations, understands what is expected on defense, and gobbles up rebounds that alone is enough to garner significant minutes.  I’m sure playing next to the uber skilled ever improving Monroe will make the game REALLY easy for him.

 As for the addition of Twill, I am THRILLED.  The kids sees the court really well and his athleticism is off the charts.  He could be a star.  No offense to the guys we got at the SF, but I can’t imagine a scenario where Twill does not outplay multiple guys.  At 6’6″ 220 (poor hungry driven) we could be looking at our next starting SF. 

Some nights Knight/Stuck could play off the ball and run the offense through Twill.  Also with Monroe we’ve got a big man capable of running the halfcourt offense as our hub.  C’mon October 1st!!  Let’s get some official training camp and preseason games going.  Let’s get our roster locked down.  Let’s get some games going. 

]]> By: RussellC http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85101 RussellC Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:12:39 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85101 I don't know guys. I think Drummond will be able to contribute in the role they have as he and the Russian will at least keep teams from running layup drills like in the past. I'm more concerned about all the small forwards and now we pick up another one in Terrence Williams. I know you need to be able to defend Lebron, Wade and Anthony but the Pistons won't be at that level for awhile unless they just really come together with a ten man rotation and everyone is happy with 20 minutes a game. Not likely.   I don’t know guys. I think Drummond will be able to contribute in the role they have as he and the Russian will at least keep teams from running layup drills like in the past. I’m more concerned about all the small forwards and now we pick up another one in Terrence Williams. I know you need to be able to defend Lebron, Wade and Anthony but the Pistons won’t be at that level for awhile unless they just really come together with a ten man rotation and everyone is happy with 20 minutes a game. Not likely.  

]]> By: Keith http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85083 Keith Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:26:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85083 First, sorry about the formatting, I can seem to get it to work on my home computer. Second, while I agree Daye and Darko come from totally different eras at this point, I disagree on the expected differences. Darko was a 2nd overall pick, and prior to the 'Sheed trade, we were not really contenders, so it's not like we were in true "all or nothing" mode. We didn't pick up 'Sheed until February, and Darko was never given a chance even before that. Darko averaged less than 7 minutes a game the entire time he was here, despite his draft status and skills. Even a contending team like ours could have found 15 minutes at least to throw at such a highly touted player. He was absolutely buried before he had any chance to show himself or have a chance to develop. Daye has played 13, 20, and 14 minutes per game in his career. He's played over 180 games, and even started 24 times. He is a late lottery pick, a kid that was never really considered to have star potential (at least by non-homers), and he got the kind of burn a role player should. That fact is, he failed in every role we tried to give him. And 20 minutes per game is a LOT more than everyone seems to be giving credit. If you can't develop playing that much, then you're probably not going to.   First, sorry about the formatting, I can seem to get it to work on my home computer. Second, while I agree Daye and Darko come from totally different eras at this point, I disagree on the expected differences. Darko was a 2nd overall pick, and prior to the ‘Sheed trade, we were not really contenders, so it’s not like we were in true “all or nothing” mode. We didn’t pick up ‘Sheed until February, and Darko was never given a chance even before that. Darko averaged less than 7 minutes a game the entire time he was here, despite his draft status and skills. Even a contending team like ours could have found 15 minutes at least to throw at such a highly touted player. He was absolutely buried before he had any chance to show himself or have a chance to develop.
Daye has played 13, 20, and 14 minutes per game in his career. He’s played over 180 games, and even started 24 times. He is a late lottery pick, a kid that was never really considered to have star potential (at least by non-homers), and he got the kind of burn a role player should. That fact is, he failed in every role we tried to give him. And 20 minutes per game is a LOT more than everyone seems to be giving credit. If you can’t develop playing that much, then you’re probably not going to.
 

]]> By: bugsygod http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/09/andre-drummond-darko-milicic-and-playing-right-away/comment-page-1/#comment-85077 bugsygod Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:15:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10938#comment-85077 Because he still has potential...DUH!  He had a terrible year last year, but the year before he showed some potential and got 20mins a game.  So this year, with a full training camp with Frank lets see if he can finally begin to reach his potential and get in the rotation.  If he stinks it up again this year, then get rid of him.  If he cant EARN consistent minutes then thats on him, this is not charity give away minutes, this is the NBA professional basketball league.    Because he still has potential…DUH!  He had a terrible year last year, but the year before he showed some potential and got 20mins a game.  So this year, with a full training camp with Frank lets see if he can finally begin to reach his potential and get in the rotation.  If he stinks it up again this year, then get rid of him.  If he cant EARN consistent minutes then thats on him, this is not charity give away minutes, this is the NBA professional basketball league.   

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