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Andre Drummond, Darko Milicic and playing right away

In Jim Cavan’s New York Times article that I linked earlier, Cavan made an interesting comparison between Darko Milicic and Andre Drummond. Now, the immediate reaction to that sentence probably caused a negative vision in your minds simply because of how Milicic’s career has turned out. Cavan, however, was simply comparing the fact that Drummond is the first Pistons rookie since Milicic to have such an incredibly high ceiling mixed with some significant unknowns.

With Milicic, as we know, the Pistons buried him on the bench early, his confidence suffered and he never amounted to much more than an occasionally warm body who can block a shot or two in his NBA career. Writing for the Detroit Free Press today, I stated my belief that Drummond needs to play early and often, even if that means he struggles:

The Pistons have veteran players like Maxiell, Jerebko and Wallace if he returns capable of playing competent frontcourt minutes for any NBA team. But none of those players, either individually or as a combination, taking the bulk of minutes next to Monroe would be enough to make the Pistons a playoff team next season. Their best hope to accomplish that goal lies in whether Drummond is ready to be a game-changing presence, at least on defense, very early in his career.

43 Comments

  • Sep 21, 201212:19 pm
    by Al

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    Yes we should definitly have him playing. Give him min. minutes and have him earn more! Do you think Monroe should be trying to work out with “The Dream”???

  • Sep 21, 20121:02 pm
    by Daye and Knight

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    More minutes is a confidence booster. I much rather see us take a chance on improving Drummond by getting him more mi uses than watch Maxiel and Jonas try playing next to Monroe. If anything, neither player…and while I’m at it even Monore…has much defense to offer. I think Drummond is already a bigger presence in the paint than any other front court player we have at the moment…FEED THE BEAST!

  • Sep 21, 20121:40 pm
    by Otis

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    The big difference here is the quality of the team’s personnel and the expectations/goals for the team, which are obviously interrelated. And it’s a very big difference.
     
    There are a few ridiculous things about this team’s supposed “open competition” for minutes/starting spots, and one of them is the fact that no matter who we put on the court or how we divide minutes, the team is going to lose 60-70% of its games and has zero chance of making the playoffs. So shoot, you might as well go young. It’s not like you’re trying to balance winning with developing youth anymore. Winning should not be a priority, because it is an unreachable goal and striving for it will only do this team harm until it is READY to win.
     
    Damien Wilkins and Russell Walker playing any minutes at all; picking up T-Mac in order to rehabilitate his career and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to show for it aside from stunting Austin Daye’s development beyond repair; playing Jason Maxiell at all when Vernon Macklin is available. The team hasn’t had anything to play for besides the future since 2008. Winning now only “benefits” Coach Frank, who wants to prove he can coach in this league, and “Joke” Dumars, whose reputation has evaporated as far as anyone capable of independent thought is concerned. And both are being selfishness and irresponsible by striving hopelessly for mediocrity.

    • Sep 21, 20121:46 pm
      by Otis

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      So yeah, Drummond should play. Because it’s not like Joe is going to pull the trigger on a Maxiell trade anyways, so there’s no point at all in establishing value by playing a veteran who will NOT be a plus player. You get the idea. That said, expect Max to start and play a lot and be considered too integral a part of the rotation to trade at the deadline, even though the status quo he’s going to help maintain is winning 3-4 out of every 10 games.

    • Sep 21, 20126:33 pm
      by apa8ren9

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      @Otis
      I disagree with your arguments. You never have to sacrifice wanting to win whether you have young, old, balanced or whatever the makeup of your team is.  When I go to the Palace or watch them on TV, I want to be able to say they tried hard to win.  I think thats number 1.  That goal is never unreachable, hell its the reason they play in the first place.  Who determines when the team is ready to win, you? Tom Gores? David Stern?  My point is you just dont wake up one morning and say Im ready to win.  You have to develop your skills and compete.
      The other big point that I disagree with is this constant excuse making about stunting Austin Daye’s development.  Thats on him.  You dont here about the same Pistons organization stunting Knight’s development.   Why?  I think you already no the answer.  He hasnt shown that he is good enough period.  Why in the world would they single out Austin Daye?  That makes no sense whatsoever.  
      Drummond should play, and he will get the benefit of the doubt.  The reason is he potentially possesses skills that no one else on the roster has.  Lucky him.  As far as Daye is concerned.  If he is good enough then force Dumars to trade the other 50 SG and SF on the team and make it a no doubter.  He’s got another shot.  He is still under contract and still on the team.  Prove it instead of tweeting.

      • Sep 21, 20126:38 pm
        by apa8ren9

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        wow, I should have proof read, hear and know. LOL

      • Sep 21, 20127:32 pm
        by Otis

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        I think you missed my point. I’m not talking about throwing games or “deciding” not to win games. I’m saying that your team sucks. They don’t have the talent to be competitive, so park your mediocre veterans on the bench or try to trade them for building blocks. Playing crusty old veterans who aren’t significantly better than your young players who actually have upside is insane. If playing Damien Wilkins over Austin Daye (for example) gives you one or two more wins in a wasted, hopeless season is indefensible.
         
        As for Daye himself, it’s not all on him. Dumars drafted the damn kid. A project small forward. A PROJECT SMALL FORWARD!! When there were plenty of useful prospects available at positions of need. Then they buried him behind a bunch of veterans at the same position. Daye stinks, but he didn’t volunteer to come here; he was drafted. Then not developed. Bad draft pick, completely wasted, not developed at all…
         
        So, unbelievably, he’s entering his FOURTH season in the league, he’s probably got less confidence than the average rookie, and he’s buried as deeply on the depth chart as ever. This one’s on Joe. Everything wrong with this team is on Joe. He gets unlimited credit for the team he built last decade, so why not give him his due blame for the garbage he turned it into??

        • Sep 24, 20126:55 pm
          by apa8ren9

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          @Otis
          I did not miss your point at all.  You are so mad at Dumars no one else has personal responsibility.
          “As for Daye himself, it’s not all on him….When there were plenty of useful prospects available at positions of need. Then they buried him behind a bunch of veterans at the same position. Daye stinks, but he didn’t volunteer to come here; he was drafted. Then not developed. Bad draft pick, completely wasted, not developed at all…”
          This is exactly the type of excuse making for Daye Im talking about.  Is Dumars making Daye tweet all day? Is Dumars making Tayshaun pee in Daye’s wheaties everyday?  Can Daye make a successful defensive rotation?  Does Dumars jump out of his seat and keep Daye from bricking a 3pointer or turning the ball over?  We both agree Daye sucks so stop blaming Dumars and keep it where its supposed to be on Daye.
          Who cares if he doesnt have confidence? Get some.  He still is on the team.  Like you said 4 years in the league.  Man Up! Just like everyday you draw a breath you can change, so can    Daye change minds each day he is still on the team.  And for the last time he is not buried on the roster.  He has every opportunity, especially since they are going to have a training camp, to change his status.  All of this conspiracy against him and “people” holding him back is ridiculous.  Man the season cant start soon enough.
           
           

  • Sep 21, 20121:51 pm
    by gordbrown

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    IIRC, Darko showed up out of shape (partly this was the protracted negotiation to get his release from his Euro team) and with a bad attitude. The attitude only got worse when he got buried on the bench. So there is more to the story than just LB buried him on the end of the bench. But one wonders if he had come to NA earlier and had a chance to be mentored by the vets and was more ready to play when the season started how history might have been changed. Our new AD has been with the team almost the whole summer (or doing training elsewhere), so that’s a good sign right there.

  • Sep 21, 20122:29 pm
    by bugsygod

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    Daye was HORRIBLE last year….HOOOORRRIIBBLLLEEE!!!   why keep saying “this regime” played veterans over young players???  Daye was not worthy of time and if daye feelings were hurt that prince was brought back and this affected his play, well tough shit and man the F up!  Take your rotation spot, nothing is giving in this league or life!  The point of NBA basketball is to win games, Frank’s JOB is to win games.   So he is supposed to have lockerroom credibilty by playing lesser players just because there young?  THATS JUST DUMB! 

    • Sep 21, 20122:41 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Daye was awful and deserved to sit. I wrote that and defended that position many times last year.

      But the fact is, playing Daye instead of playing Wilkins would’ve been better for Daye individually. Either he would’ve eventually gained confidence and rebuilt some value or he would’ve conclusively proven he wasn’t worth a roster spot this year.

      As it stands now, they don’t know either way. Can you conclusively say that Daye will never amount to anything in the NBA? Can you conclusively say he will? I personally can’t answer either question with 100 percent confidence. And that’s the problem. They enter this season with him still occupying a roster spot and they still don’t know what they have with him.

      Like I said, I don’t mind that they sat him based on how bad he was early on. But I also don’t understand the point of sitting him if their intention — as it seems to be — was to keep him and bring him back this season.

      • Sep 21, 20126:22 pm
        by bugsygod

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        I totally understand what your saying, BUT they did play him early in the season.  He got many opportunities to play in my opinion.  This was his third year in the league and he played almost 20mins a game the prior year.  I agree we dont know what we have in him, but that is DAYE’s fault, not the coaching staff or front office.  He had a prime opportunity to be the back up SF to prince and excel.  I actually like daye and thinks he has a future, he just needs to get mentally tougher!

        • Sep 21, 20127:33 pm
          by Otis

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          Daye never had prime opportunities to do anything.

        • Sep 21, 20128:31 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          I don’t disagree — Daye was terrible, and in three seasons, hasn’t done much to inspire any kind of faith in his future. I don’t have an issue with the Pistons sitting him at all. I have an issue with them sitting him, then bringing him back. If they concluded that he can’t play, that’s fine. They should’ve traded him for a second round pick or whatever they could get.

          But if their intention was to keep him on the roster, or if they didn’t conclude that he’s not good enough to help them, I don’t see the point of burying him on the bench all season.  

          • Sep 22, 20121:11 pm
            by bugsygod

            Im pretty sure he is still on the trading block.  But i guess i dont understand whats the big urgency to get rid of the guy.  Everyone knew when they drafted him he was a project but had skills.  He would need to gain weight & strength.  So he is not making a ton of money, still has some potential, not blocking another player on the team, his contract can be used in larger trades to make numbers work and its not like getting rid of his salary is going to allow the team to bring in a big time FA.  The pistons have been accused in the past of giving up on young players too soon(afflalo, delfino, amir,etc), but here they are holding on to a young guy, giving him another chance, but you say they should just get rid of him.  If they were to just get rid of him and he blows up with another team EVERYONE will say “Dumars does it again, giving up on young talent”.  Now he needs to come to camp ready to go and contribute, he has to take a spot in the rotation.  If this season is unsuccessful again, THEN just let him go in FA.  Also this year gives him a full camp with Frank and the coaching staff, which i think will help.  This is almost like the argument ppl make to anmesty CV this year, it doesnt help the team, just a meaningless move.        

    • Sep 21, 20123:14 pm
      by G

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      Dude, you have to develop your draft picks though. They’re the cheapest way to get talent. If you opt to not develop them, then you’re stuck overpaying for players in FA or trying to deal for them. Actually, that’s exactly what happened to the Pistons from 2004-2009.

      • Sep 21, 20126:48 pm
        by bugsygod

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        But dude, if the guy cant play and is embarrasing himself out on the court(which he was doing), then you cant play him…PERIOD!  You dont think they want him to succeed and they are not trying to develop him ?  I understand that we do have to develop the young talent, so look at the team last year.  rookie pg, 2nd yr center, 4th sg all starting!  3rd yr player jerbko first big off the bench.  so in the one position where the guy cant cut it, the Pistons are now not developing there talent?  off one guy?? And btw, he is still on the team and hoping he breaks out this year, so they are STILL attempting to developt there draft picks!

        • Sep 22, 20129:51 am
          by D_S_V

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          If the guy can’t play and is embarassing himself on the court, why do you suppose the Pistons added a year to keep him on the team? That fuels the frustration to those in the “why are you playing mediocre veterans over young draft picks?” camp. Let’s not ride him out with consistent minutes but also keep him for another year? Those are opposing agendas to me. 

          • Sep 22, 20121:15 pm
            by bugsygod

            Because he still has potential…DUH!  He had a terrible year last year, but the year before he showed some potential and got 20mins a game.  So this year, with a full training camp with Frank lets see if he can finally begin to reach his potential and get in the rotation.  If he stinks it up again this year, then get rid of him.  If he cant EARN consistent minutes then thats on him, this is not charity give away minutes, this is the NBA professional basketball league.   

      • Sep 24, 20129:41 am
        by G

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        No, I agree Daye was terrible last year. But the actual post was about Drummond and Milicic. Think about all the draft picks we let go over the years that we never developed – Darko, Amir, Delfino, Afflalo…

        The fact is the Pistons never gave any of those guys their shot. I thought they were going to give Daye his shot last year and then they re-signed Tayshaun. Daye had a terrible year, but it doesn’t change the fact that the Pistons haven’t developed their picks well and gave up too soon a a lot of guys.

        • Sep 24, 20129:48 pm
          by bugsygod

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          I guess i dont understand your term “give them a chance”?  You mean just say here go start?  EVERYONE of those guys has startred when they were with Detroit.  Amir was getting muscled (and still does)  so hes not a starter in this league.  Darko is Darko, he looks like a bum with absolutely NO desire to do anything.  Afflalo is a solid player in this league, no all star but solid starter, he played well with Detroit.  He was not let because of talent but to free money to CV & BG(dumb move) but nothing to do with talent.  Delfino has been a solid journeyman player throughout the league.  Again let go not for talent but money, but not a real big loss.  You put these four guys on THIS pistons team, they get marginally better because of afflalo. Still fighting for a playoff spot.  Maxiel, prince, stucky, monroe, jerbko have developed pretty well with detroit. 

          • Sep 25, 20124:44 pm
            by G

            Uh, Amir didn’t start for Detroit, not really. He played in the D-league a ton, and then in ’08-’09 he started 24 of the 62 games he played in getting less than 15 min a game. The last 2 years he’s started a majority of the games he’s played in, averaged over 24 min, 7-9pts and 6.4 rebs. He’s not a stud, but he’s pretty comparable to Jerebko.

            Detroit never started Darko. Obviously he never turned into much, but it’s hard to know what he could’ve become if LB didn’t destroy his confidence off the bat. We certainly never gave him the shot that Orlando, Memphis and Minnesota did.

            Afflalo was a throw-in for the Billups trade. Denver wasn’t even asking for him, we just chucked him. You don’t do that with a player you think has talent. He was never a starter for us (other than a couple games as an injury replacement) and we never gave him 20min. Denver started him and gave him serious minutes, and now he’s a plus player.

  • Sep 21, 20123:03 pm
    by brgulker

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    Playing a lot before you’re ready can lead to lots of early failures, which can he as lethal to confidence as anything. 

    Make him earn his minutes, I say. If he (or anyone) gets outplayed in practice, he sits.  

    • Sep 21, 20123:40 pm
      by G

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      Totally disagree. A lot depends on the mentality of the player, but most players would rather play & screw up than ride the bench. Obviously you don’t want to heap a ton of pressure on the kid, but he has to be in a position to make mistakes or he won’t grow.

      • Sep 21, 20127:39 pm
        by Otis

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        The thing is, this team stinks too bad to act like anything has to be earned. If you have a veteran who’s, say, a “C+” player with no more room for growth at all and is on a one year contract, and you have a rookie who’s a “C” player with infinite room for growth and on his rookie contract, and you have ZERO chance at being competitive as a team, you go young. Unless you have a foolish GM and coach who are more interested in looking 1% better than in building something worthwhile.

  • Sep 21, 20125:11 pm
    by Travis

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    I think fans discount what goes on places closed to fans , such as in the locker room, during practices, weight room, and perpetration for basketball games. That’s a lot that the average fan and Monday quarterback forget about when doing their own evaluation of the team and players.

  • Sep 21, 20125:45 pm
    by Desolation Row

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    Here’s the thing — is Drummond going to give up more points, 1 on 1 or weak-side, than anybody else on this team? I find it doubtful, given his athleticism and size. Worst case scenario is that he picks up early fouls and has to sit anyways. Isn’t that usually the knock on young big men?

    So throw him out to the wolves and let him learn.. if we lose, we lose. Considering the alternatives (undersized JJ who *should* be playing SF and Maxiell), I doubt the dropoff will be significant. Unless contract-year motivation will elevate Maxiell to epic levels of playing that propell us into the top 7 of the East (doubtful), I don’t understand the argument against playing Drummond. Chances are, he’ll get in foul trouble and other guys will still play anyways. 

  • Sep 21, 20126:41 pm
    by apa8ren9

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    Drummond will play right away.  I dont think it will be big minutes though.  Probably 15-20 a game and as long as he doesnt embarrass himself like Daye, then they will live with his mistakes. 

  • Sep 21, 20129:43 pm
    by Keith

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    Firstly, I should say that I do often follow the “Royal Jelly Theory” of player development. Basically it states that most players drafted are capable of being good, though not everyone can be Lebron-Kobe-Durant, and that their development has a great deal to do with time and expectation. Russell Westbrook of OKC was NOT a point guard coming into the NBA, and even now he’s non-traditional at best. But at the same time, he is an incredible player, one of the best guards in the game. Russell Westbrook would not have developed the way he did on the bench or in a less open organization. He needed freedom and to learn from his own mistakes, while at the same time receiving the confidence of the organization. He was given the starting PG role and neither the coach or GM EVER stated he would be anything else. And honestly, he wasn’t the best PG or player his first couple years, and it directly limited OKC’s win total. But we all see where OKC is now. Westbrook was not a sure thing at all, most expected him to be Avery Bradley, not Dwyane Wade.
    Drummond and Darko are actually very good comparisons. Darko failed partly because of his own lack of drive and difficulty adjusting to a new environment, but also WAS FAILED spectacularly by our organization. Dumars never put the foot down telling Brown “This is our guy of the future, coach him to be the guy you want, because we aren’t throwing him away for you.” Brown only ever cared about winning in the present (not surprising given how quickly he wanted out), and was more than happy to give up on Darko immediately. We simply cannot afford that with Drummond. Maybe Drummond does have low effort, maybe he is too unrefined to ever be great. But let that be on him, not the Pistons this time. Give him the role we want him to become, as much coaching as he can tolerate, and every opportunity available. If he busts anyway? At least we tried, and it certainly didn’t hurt us during a rebuilding phase of the franchise’s history.
    Otis is right that we are not a good team. Maybe we could sneak into the back end of the playoffs if everything goes right, but it’s unlikely. We don’t even have clearly defined roles for our best players. Why are we a perimeter oriented team when Monroe is by far better than the next best? Why do we continue playing one of the worst offensive systems in the league when we don’t have the defense to save us? Why do we continue to insist that the Pistons put the D in Detroit when it is abjectly not even close to true (Pistons were the second worst defensive team in the league last year, masked only by playing at a snails pace which limited final scores, but not scoring margin)?
    If we are ever going to get it right, we need to start from the top down. Joe needs to accept and encourage playing to the strengths of the players, not to the historical strength of former great teams. Frank needs to pull the bull out of the game, put players in their right positions/roles, and tell everyone to shove it if they don’t like it. And then Knight needs to be given the reigns of a PG, not a spot up shooter who sometimes passes. Stuckey needs to become a slashing SG who consistently can play off the ball, not a PG on offense/SG on defense tweener who is then less effective at both roles. Jerebko needs to be our SF, Prince doesn’t provide value going forward when he takes the ball out of the hands of better scorers (Monroe-Stuckey) and better playmakers (Knight). Monroe needs to be put at PF or C and kept their going forward – we need to play to HIS game, and constantly seek to involve him in as many plays as possible. And honestly, we should start Drummond at C, let him play until he fouls out or just can’t handle an opponent, and give him our supreme confidence that he will eventually figure it all out.

    • Sep 22, 20128:09 am
      by Vic

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      Accurate thoughts, clear vision

    • Sep 22, 201211:44 am
      by tarsier

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      The way Darko was handled was not nearly so much of a mistake as the way Daye was. The reason is simple. When Darko was a young project player, the team was really good and contending. When you are contending, you don’t waste PT on guys who are hurting your chances. It is when you are playing for the difference between winning 30 and 35 games per 82, that you can afford to devote PT to guys who need it.

      • Sep 22, 20123:26 pm
        by Keith

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        First, sorry about the formatting, I can seem to get it to work on my home computer. Second, while I agree Daye and Darko come from totally different eras at this point, I disagree on the expected differences. Darko was a 2nd overall pick, and prior to the ‘Sheed trade, we were not really contenders, so it’s not like we were in true “all or nothing” mode. We didn’t pick up ‘Sheed until February, and Darko was never given a chance even before that. Darko averaged less than 7 minutes a game the entire time he was here, despite his draft status and skills. Even a contending team like ours could have found 15 minutes at least to throw at such a highly touted player. He was absolutely buried before he had any chance to show himself or have a chance to develop.
        Daye has played 13, 20, and 14 minutes per game in his career. He’s played over 180 games, and even started 24 times. He is a late lottery pick, a kid that was never really considered to have star potential (at least by non-homers), and he got the kind of burn a role player should. That fact is, he failed in every role we tried to give him. And 20 minutes per game is a LOT more than everyone seems to be giving credit. If you can’t develop playing that much, then you’re probably not going to.
         

        • Sep 24, 20128:16 am
          by tarsier

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          That’s true that Darko should have been getting minutes before the ‘Sheed trade. But not that even a contending team should find 15 mpg to give a guy like Milicic. For a little while, sure. But when he doesn’t capitalize on them, you gotta give the rest of the team as much time as possible to gel with each other to maximize their effectiveness in the postseason. And you have to really try to win your games, too, for higher seeding and an easier first and maybe second round. Playing a guy who doesn’t contribute 15 mpg would be a bad move.

  • Sep 21, 20129:47 pm
    by RyanK

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    I hope you’re not insinuating that Larry Brown benching an immature, lazy, entitled rookie is what led to his failure of an NBA career.  Playing Drummond ahead of other guys who contribute more to winning is a terrible strategy.  It must be hammered in his head from day one he must earn his minutes…nothing will be given to him.  If he’s not good enough to get off the bench, then he’ll have to get better.
     
    I’m optimistic we don’t have Darko 2.0.  One thing is for sure, playing Darko 35 minutes per game as a rookie wouldn’t have changed his failure as a player.  He has only himself to blame and he admitted that a couple years ago.

    • Sep 21, 201210:05 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I didn’t insinuate anything like that. It’s impossible to tell how much Darko’s development was helped/hindered by his initial experiences as a NBA player. My hunch is his lack of motivation would’ve been present anywhere. But I also don’t think the Pistons organization was particularly good at player development at that time. Prince played because he basically came into the league close to his ceiling and played like a 28 year old from day one. But Larry Brown was also playing Elden Campbell over Okur for a good chunk of that season when Okur was good and developing and Campbell was a shell of his former self. Darko has to own his own failures, but I also don’t discount the fact that his confidence was probably killed too.

      I definitely am not advocating that the Pistons of that era should’ve gifted Darko minutes at the expense of the Wallaces, Williamson, McDyess, Okur, et. al. But the Pistons of this era? I have less of a problem if they give Drummond major minutes at the expense of players like Maxiell/Villanueva. I certainly don’t want them to reward him with minutes if he has bad work habits, but that’s different than making mistakes. I want them to handle Drummond exactly how they handled Knight — if Drummond works hard and plays hard, he should play a major role regardless of mistakes. At worst, they’ll hopefully have a player like Knight who was better at the end of the season than the beginning. At best, things click for him more quickly than expected and the Pistons surprise.

      • Sep 22, 20124:15 am
        by Otis

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        “Less of a problem” with Drummond playing ahead of Max/Villanueva? Unless, as you said, he has atrocious work habits, he I’d have a problem with Max/Villanueva playing ahead of Drummond. Max and Villanueva should only get any minutes at all for one reason: Building trade value. These guys are lame ducks and will not contribute to a Pistons team that accomplishes anything.
         
        The same could be said for the rest of our expiring contracts besides perhaps Bynum (who, by default as our only veteran backup guard and only backup point guard, might be a necessary part of the rotation for the team simply to function). Daye and Maggette and Bynum and Max are all expected to be let go in free agency, and rightly so. If recent history is any indicator, Coach Frank is going to play the guys who are most likely to contribute, Joe will invent bogus reasons/excuses to hold onto guys who might have value at the deadline and ensure that their only value to the team is as expiring contracts, and all that simply to fall short of the playoffs yet again.
         
        Also, it’s fun and sad to see how the team’s excuses evolve over time. With Charlie, when people (for the fourth consecutive year) ask about trading him, now Keith Langlois points to his “value” as the flexibility to amnesty him! Lol. Who’s buying this junk? I mean, if you could trade him for an asset or an expiring contract, that’s even better than paying him not to play. But if you can’t trade him for an asset, just fess up that he’s a waste of skin and untradeable. It’s gotten very insulting these past few years. And when another season passes by and the Pistons PREDICTABLY don’t amnesty Charlie because there’s nothing useful for them to do with the money in free agency, they’ll have yet another excuse as to why it’s good to have him around. We’ve had a bunch already, when really it hasn’t been truly good to have him around since maybe his first 20 games as a Piston.

  • Sep 22, 20128:21 am
    by Vic

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    Part of the success of a draft pick has to do with fit and need. Darko was needed at first, but either he was lazy or Larry Brown didn’t want to teach him. Then we got Rasheed, and we didn’t need him at all.
    Drummond won’t fail because the Pistons actually need him, and they won’t discard him to the end of the bench, and Larry Frank is a young coach who will teach him.

    Imagine the Piston dynasty if we had picked Chris Bosh instead of Darko. We might not have won in 04, but we would have more chips overall, imo 

    • Sep 22, 201211:50 am
      by tarsier

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      Bosh or Wade would never have been the pick. It was Anthony or Milicic, that’s it. Nobody else would have been considered. Just like Portland was never going to draft Horford. It was Oden or Durant, everyone else was a far inferior prospect.

      But Melo could have played the 4 for Detroit just fine. He wouldn’t have given the same stiff D as Sheed. But his O could make up for it. 

  • Sep 22, 201211:47 am
    by DasMark

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    Andre will get some playing time. Detroit knows that the future of this team rides on the shoulders of Monroe, Knight, Stuckey and Drummond. 

    I think Drum’s expectations are realistic. He wants to come in, defend, rebound and get garbage buckets around the rim. That’s what Dwight Howard spent his rookie campaign doing, and its worked out well for him.

    Darko has/had so many problems, it was a mess from the beginning. If he could have played in 2004, he would have. That’s why they made a trade for Rasheed Wallace, they needed front court help and scoring.

    While it certainly hurt him to come to a team in a “win now” mindset, but I can’t see a player like Wade, Bosh or Melo sitting on that bench all season, they would have forced Brown’s hand to put them in the game. We likely would have also won back to back titles if we took either of those three over Darko. 

    History is what it is, though. Drummond has a better opportunity than Darko, as he doesn’t have to fight for minutes against one of the best centers in NBA history, which is good for him. 

  • Sep 23, 20121:12 am
    by RussellC

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    I don’t know guys. I think Drummond will be able to contribute in the role they have as he and the Russian will at least keep teams from running layup drills like in the past. I’m more concerned about all the small forwards and now we pick up another one in Terrence Williams. I know you need to be able to defend Lebron, Wade and Anthony but the Pistons won’t be at that level for awhile unless they just really come together with a ten man rotation and everyone is happy with 20 minutes a game. Not likely.  

  • Sep 23, 20125:28 am
    by Derek

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    I believe Drummond will be able to play his way into the rotation.  He at least has the physical tools to be dominate in the areas where we need him (defense and rebounding).  All he needs to do is put in the work and understand his role.

    If Drummond gets the rotations, understands what is expected on defense, and gobbles up rebounds that alone is enough to garner significant minutes.  I’m sure playing next to the uber skilled ever improving Monroe will make the game REALLY easy for him.

     As for the addition of Twill, I am THRILLED.  The kids sees the court really well and his athleticism is off the charts.  He could be a star.  No offense to the guys we got at the SF, but I can’t imagine a scenario where Twill does not outplay multiple guys.  At 6’6″ 220 (poor hungry driven) we could be looking at our next starting SF. 

    Some nights Knight/Stuck could play off the ball and run the offense through Twill.  Also with Monroe we’ve got a big man capable of running the halfcourt offense as our hub.  C’mon October 1st!!  Let’s get some official training camp and preseason games going.  Let’s get our roster locked down.  Let’s get some games going. 

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