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Why Austin Daye is the most likely Piston to be traded

Me at the Detroit Free Press:

With 16 players – including at least three rotation-caliber small forwards – plausible fits for the Pistons’ 15-man roster, a trade feels inevitable.

Well, maybe not quite inevitable. The Pistons have still made only one trade in the previous 1,116 days – literally about as often as a blue moon.

But something must give before regular season. Maybe the roster trimming will be simple, Khris Middleton won’t sign or Ben Wallace retires. (And for those of you wondering, even if Detroit sends Middleton to the D-League, he’ll count against the 15-man limit). However, if the Pistons want and can get both Middleton and Wallace, a trade would appear likely.

Who’s the most likely Piston to be traded? My educated guess: Austin Daye – if it’s not too late.

See the Freep for full explanation.

73 Comments

  • Aug 3, 201212:12 pm
    by Scott Free

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    I honestly wish Daye the best.  He isn’t benefitting the Pistons sitting on their bench and working out in practice, and he isn’t doing much to benefit his career in this limbo either.  The author is correct, it would be in both the Pistons and Daye’s best interests to move.

  • Aug 3, 201212:15 pm
    by Vic

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    Never thought I’d say this but I actually kind of agree with the Facebook commenters.
    I’d rather keep a highly skilled daye and watch his metabolism slows down and his confidence grow up.
    When we trade Prince to the clippers to help him get a 2nd championship and stop the Lakers, Then trade Maggete’s expiring contract, Will have Jaremko Singler and Daye to run the 3. Then we can bring Middleton back from a year in Europe stronger and smarter.

    Then at the stretch 4 position I’d rather have Daye reaching his potential than resign cv.
    If the Pistons are going to turn back into a team culture and player development type of team then they might as well keep it going with Daye.

    • Aug 3, 20121:09 pm
      by sop

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      What do the Clips have to send us in return for Prince though? Remember how we sent Billups to Denver so he could be back home before he retired? How about doing a trade to get something.
       
      Send Prince AND Daye to the Kings for Fransisco Garcia and Tyreke Evans.
       
       

      • Aug 3, 20122:14 pm
        by Rodman4Life

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        Really?!  And why would we want those two clowns?

        • Aug 3, 20122:46 pm
          by sop

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          How about because Evans is a ROY and an incredible athlete. If Stuckey demands too much in Free Agency in 2 years he can replace Stuckey, otherwise he’s shown he can play SF. He could also be a great guard off the bench if Frank can sell him on a Harden-like role. He’s young and Prince is old.
           
          Garcia isn’t very good but he can hit the 3 and he does have good chemistry with Villanueva from the Dominican team. Essentially the trade is Prince for Evans but Daye and Garcia make it work under in terms of cap.

      • Aug 3, 20123:41 pm
        by Vic

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        I would take a draft pick first round and whatever else makes it work from the clippers.
        It would be one of those “here you go try for a championship, we’ll try later” trades. Like Rashid Wallace and Pau Gasol. Throw a wrench in the Western Conference.

        • Aug 4, 20123:12 pm
          by sop

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          LAC doesn’t have the cap space to just absorb Prince so we would have to take back some heavy contract Caron Butler $16 mil over the next 2 years. Plus the pick would be in the end of the first round. Not many stars there. Still interested?

          • Aug 5, 20127:20 pm
            by Vic

            Nope, but I’d take an expiring contract if they had one, and maybe a future 1st rounder 2014 or 2015

    • Aug 3, 20122:22 pm
      by labatts

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      “Then at the stretch 4 position I’d rather have Daye reaching his potential than resign cv.”
       
      No offense, but I’d rather have Will Bynum at the stretch 4 than either of those two.
       
      I [think] I agree with sop about one thing though … I’d much rather trade Prince (not sure how feasible it is) than Magette.  After all, The Pistons are the ones right now that are benefiting from his expiring contract.  Heck, we gave up a 1st round draft pick for that expiring contract.  If you trade him, you lose both (unless you trade him for a 1st round draft pick.  And in that case, it had better be a better draft pick than the Piston’s pick).

  • Aug 3, 201212:57 pm
    by Ray

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    We Should NOT LET DAYE WALK OR BE TRADED!….

  • Aug 3, 20121:03 pm
    by bugsygod

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    good article.  Hate to let daye go and he blossom somewhere else though.  I would like to see middleton go overseas for a year and see what he does.  That way we can still sign Ben and keep daye.  But i agree Daye seems the odd man out. 

  • Aug 3, 20121:04 pm
    by tom

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    Seems like a terrible idea to me; would much rather send Middleton to Europe, or let him walk if need be.

    In theory I could see a team looking to shed salary take Daye, but given our lack of room for more salary that isn’t plausible. The only other way to move him would seemingly be for a 2nd rounder – if thats the case might as well just keep him and see if something can click for him this year.

  • Aug 3, 20121:27 pm
    by Chris

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    Am I the only person that has noticed that there’s a reason Daye shows so much promise outside of the regular season: fact is that he can not play during the regular season. Austin Daye has proven that whether it is physical or mental he can not handle contact, end of story. In the preseason, in the summer leagues, with minimal contact (although summer league games can get rough down low with the high foul numbers, playing perimeter you rarely see any of it) he lights it up. During the regular season when play slows down and things get a little bit rougher he simply is too harried by it to even hit open jumpers. 

    Austin Daye has all the potential in the world, the sweetest jumper this side of Ray Allen, and by all accounts is a great kid. But he’s not going to be a successful rotation player in the NBA unless he makes a sea change in the way he approaches regular season basketball.

  • Aug 3, 20121:53 pm
    by swampdetroit

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    I believe auston day have alot to grow, why bring back ben wallace his carreer is over.  he had his run and send middleton to the d-leage

  • Aug 3, 20122:36 pm
    by Crispus

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    Keeping Middleton over Daye would be an injustice, given all of Daye’s potential. I know potential doesn’t win games, but Daye seems to have a little swagger and hunger coming into this year. Tayshaun is nice to have around, but we don’t need him AND Maggette at SF.

    I hope Joe is leaving Europe travel brochures in Middleton’s locker and calling contenders who need veteran SF help. Most people on here seem to have the feeling that Daye could blow up in the right situation. The thing is that it wouldn’t take much for Detroit to be the right situation.

  • Aug 3, 20123:47 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Trade Daye, Spaghetti, and Middleton in a 3-team trade and bring Rudy Gay to the Pistons!..Let Prince play 6th man…

    • Aug 3, 20124:42 pm
      by dvs

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      That package isn’t getting us a player of Gays caliber. You know better than that Jodi ;)

    • Aug 3, 20125:23 pm
      by sebastian

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      Yo Jodi, I have been posting the following trade involving Rudy Gay for about a month, but other folks think that it wouldn’t work or that the Grizzlies wouldn’t be interested, but I beg to differ:

      Send Tay and Magette to the Grizzs for Rudy Gay. WE get a ”real” small forward, who is entering his prime, a guy who was born and reared in Baltimore and who has played his entire career in Memphis would fit right in Detroit.

      The Grizzs: would get two veteran small-forwards and a lot of relief to their salary cap.

      People have asked, why would the Pistons want to take own Ga’s contract and my retort is: 1) WE need some sizzle on OUR roster. 2) We need a real small forward and someone, who can play with the youngins on OUR roster. Plus, 3) Gores will want to see the empty chairs from last season, occupied with real live humans.         

      Also, I would move Singler to the Bucks straightup for Tobias Harris. This kid Harris would be a great addition to the roster and I believe the Milwaukee faithful would love to have Singler on their roster. He and Dunleavy would hit it off well.

      • Aug 3, 20127:00 pm
        by Travis

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        Why would we want Gay’s absurd contract. He will be the second coming of CV31.

        • Aug 3, 20129:51 pm
          by sebastian

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          The only thing that Charlie V. has in common with Rudy Gay is that they both played at UConn.
          It is hard to argue that any one of the seven SFs currently on the Pistons roster is in the top 30 of SFs that are currently in the League. WE need a real SF, who is at the threshold of the prime of their career.
          Rudy Gay is easily in the top 15, hell the  top 10 SFs in the League.
          Also Rudy Gay would only get better, while playing with OUR young core far more so that will Tay and Maggette.
          It is time to put this rebuild on the fastrack.
          Another season of Tay, and now Maggette; then throw in sweaty Kyle Singler, Jerebko, Daye, … these guys are bums.
          WE need a real small forward.
           
           

          • Aug 4, 20126:52 am
            by Travis

            You never responded to my rhetorical question. Why trade for someone that is going to make $16 million this year and $19 two years from now? That’s an absurd amount of salary for a player that will never meet the expectations that their salary requires. Rudy Gay, while impressive, is not worth $19 million in his final year of his contract. That money can be better spent on 3 quality role players to produce more than 1 overpaid player can. Hence, the CV31 reference about production matched up against salary. It was not in reference to either player’s talent.

          • Aug 4, 20124:54 pm
            by Crispus

            I know Singler is taking up another SF spot, but we are getting him for super cheap, and he sort of groomed himself for the position by becoming savvy overseas. I don’t think we trade him at all because his probable impact is positive and the ink isn’t even dry on his contract.

          • Aug 6, 20128:47 am
            by tarsier

            Because three role players can only be on the floor with two other guys. Gay can be on the floor with four others. Obviously, Gay is currently overpaid. But the question is whether the Pistons could actually get someone better with their cap space. I’m not too sure. Also, Gay really fills a need here. And his contract doesn’t last that much longer but if Detroit had him for a couple years, they would be in the best position to try to sign him back up for a bit less after the contract is expired.

      • Aug 3, 201211:10 pm
        by tarsier

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        I do love this trade idea. I don’t think Memphis takes it without a sweetener because they clearly lose from a pure basketball perspective, but the improved ability to keep the rest of their core around without paying luxury tax should be enough to make them at least think long and hard about it.

        • Aug 4, 20127:55 am
          by labatts

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          I have mixed feelings about this trade, but I think I would like it.  Travis, salary cap space is good only because teams can use it to spend on players.  (Perhaps this is obvious, but I am not sure at 7 in the morning.)  So, if you spend the money, it should be on somebody who can actually play.  Gay can play (and we couldn’t say the same thing about CV prior to the Pistons signing him).  While I can’t speak for Sebastian, that is the biggest difference.

          The only reason I hesitate is because I still think the biggest glaring need on the team is bigs.  If you do this, you must be confident that Drummond is the real deal.  Even if he is the real deal, they probably need one more good big (unless Maxiel continues to play well and is an assett off the bench.)

          • Aug 4, 201210:21 am
            by tarsier

            The Pistons would still have almost a max deal worth of cap space next summer if they amnestied CV. So they could go after any big short of Dwight and probably Bynum. Granted, if they got someone very expensive, it would cause issues down the line when players like Monroe are due raises. That would be right around when Gay comes off the books. So if necessary, they could let Gay go at that point. But that would obviously be a sub-optimal solution.

  • Aug 3, 20127:15 pm
    by DasMark

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    I’d let Daye play out his final year. He isn’t going to get any real value on the trade market. Why not let him play out his final year and make a decision there?

    If Detroit is really high on Middleton, then I could understand moving Daye for pocket lint. Otherwise, let him play it out and see if he can figure it out in year 4.

    • Aug 4, 201211:20 am
      by Chris N

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      I agree DasMark.  Daye’s value right now is probably second round pick/low – mid level role player.  How much does it drop by waiting two or three months?  If he plays well through pre-season and training camp and into the beginning of the season and the team isn’t playing well, how much does his value rise?
      In either case, waiting to see how Daye plays out is probably a wise course of action.

  • Aug 3, 20129:58 pm
    by MyTimeIsNow

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    Trade with Atlanta, they desperately need a SF very badly. I really think Josh Smith’s days of playing small forward are over. Atlanta could be interested in Tayshaun Prince especially since Marvin Williams is gone.

    • Aug 4, 201210:30 am
      by DasMark

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      Not an awful idea. 

      I like Josh Smith. I think he’s a great talent, but I don’t think he fits with Detroit in terms of their own talent core and where they’re going. They will need more perimeter players that can shoot the long ball.

      So, I would send Daye there if they could get back a second rounder.

    • Aug 4, 20123:20 pm
      by sop

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      Be serious Josh Smith for Tayshaun? There’s no way ATL does that. Or did you mean just dealing with ATL. Yes the need an SF but they just got rid of JJ so they could free up cap space for next summer. So it wouldn’t make sense to just trade those expiring contracts for long term ones now.
       
      Only possibility would be them sending Devin Harris here for Tay, since they already have Teague and Lou Williams. We could throw in Daye and it works too.

      • Aug 4, 20123:28 pm
        by MyTimeIsNow

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        Nooo, I wasn’t saying trade for Josh Smith, I was just saying Atlanta could be a trade partner since the only small forward they have is Kyle Korver.

        • Aug 4, 20129:26 pm
          by sop

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          Anthoy Morrow can play a little SF too.

  • Aug 3, 201211:57 pm
    by JT's Hoops Blog

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    Blanme this Bullshit on Dumars.  Re-signing Tayshaun Prince was a BAD mistake.  They had a younger version  of him in Daye and would have improved if he would have been given the minutes.  Instead they went to Prince, who proved that he did not deserve them by any means, while Daye just languished on the bench.  I know u Piston fans love the guy, but let’s face it.  It’s Joe Dumars to go.

    • Aug 4, 20129:28 pm
      by Chris N

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      I don’t think re-signing Prince was a bad idea at all.  He’s he’s a steady, dependable presence on a roster that for the past few years has been in need of one.  And he still holds trade value should the Pistons want to entertain the idea.

      When the Pistons re-signed Prince, they didn’t have much in the way of viable alternatives at small forward.  Austin Daye didn’t step up to the challenge last year and as a result, Prince picked up a ton of minutes.  I don’t think that AD would’ve played better last season playing with Prince’s minutes.  I don’t think he was prepared to play mentally or phsyically at the start of the start of the season and couldn’t cactch up once it was started.  I thik playing in Russia really knocked him off track.

      Why do you think he would have improved with more playing time JT?

  • Aug 4, 20125:17 am
    by alex hale

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    trade prince,maxiell & bynum to okc for harden & aldrich. sell them on princes leadership maxiellnd wants a max deal and bynums toughness,expiring contracts and the idea that they wont have the $ to max both harden and ibaka. daye ,singler & middleton can be the small forward by commitee. should stuckey have a breakout year in the next 2 seasons and wants a max deal daye & kim english can replace him. hire ben as a bigman defensive coach and rasheed wallace as a in the paint offensive coach for drummond the ukranian & aldrich. the  piston will have a 3 headed monster at center. sign a vet like b.davis or m.bibby as a backup. start the season pf monroe sf daye c drummond pg harden sg knight 2nd team pf jerebko sf singler c ukranian pg stuckey sg maggette. 3rd team pf charlie sf middleton c aldrich pg davis or bibby sg english.

  • Aug 4, 20125:35 am
    by alex hale

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    sell them on maxiell and bynums toughness  and expiring contracts. and that they wont be able to give harden and ibaka both a max contract. if all the young guys play well they can amnesty charlie v next year let maggette walk and they will have cv 8mil maggette 10.6mil bynum 3.25mil maxiell 5mil prince 6.5mil hardens 5.6mil  to resign harden, monroe, daye, knight and a top fa.

  • Aug 4, 20125:49 am
    by alex hale

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    also you could add monroe 3mil knights 3mil daye 2mil and vets 1.3mil thats 48.25mil in yearly salaries there to sign those 5 guys. play 5 games downtown at ford field both heat games okc lakers and celtics. all on weekends when the wings are on the road it will be 60,000 each game.

  • Aug 4, 20128:18 am
    by alex hale

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    trade prince,maxiell and bynum to okc for j.harden and c. aldrich so daye can start w o looking over his shoulder. sell okc on prince leadership and championship experience maxiell and bynums toughness and expiring contracts along with the idea that they wont be able to sign harden and ibaka both to max contracts. they,ll have what they need to get them back to the finals. and we,ll have our floor leader and another shotblocker/rebounder to make a3 headed young monster center in drummond,khistvov and aldrich.tutored by ben wallace defense and rasheed wallace offense. play them 20,15,and 13mins respectively.they can go hard every second on the floor 18 fouls greg monroe will play like a superstar at pf. rounding out the rotation starting sg knight, stuckey,jerebko and singler.

    • Aug 4, 201210:22 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      If they were willing to trade Harden, they could get much more for him.

  • Aug 4, 201210:40 am
    by Brandow

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    we could trade prince and daye to the jazz for gordan hayward and devin haris, hayward can be a good fit cause of his all around game and he is still very young while we can have haris’s expiring contract(unless if it expired already then we can get another expiring contract like paul milsap)

    • Aug 4, 201211:45 am
      by tarsier

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      That would be nice, but the Jazz are in a very similar position to the Pistons. They’re not back in contention but they have a solid crop of youngish talent that they hope will mostly internally develop to get there. Prince won’t be enough to push them back into contention. So unless they have some other moves up their sleeves, they’re better off waiting on Hayward themselves.

    • Aug 4, 20123:32 pm
      by sop

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      plus Harris is on the Hawks now.

  • Aug 4, 20124:07 pm
    by MyTimeIsNow

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    The New Orleans Hornets can also be a trade partner, their only SF is Al-Faroq Aminu, and I believe that they wouldn’t mind a veteran like Tayshaun, or they could be interested in a young player to fit their young team in Austin Daye. So right now, I see the Atlanta Hawks and New Orleans Hornets needing more help at the 3 spot (with Atlanta desperately need a SF).

    • Aug 4, 20129:21 pm
      by sop

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      add Cleveland and Sacto to your list.

  • Aug 4, 20125:47 pm
    by RussellC

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    I almost fell out of my chair laughing at the suggestion that OKC would trade Harden for Prince, Maxiel and Bynum. Stuckey, Prince and Jerebko, involving another team to make the salaries work may be starting point, but even then that would be difficult. Keep Daye because with Drummond playing behind him his defensive game improved. Thats a lot of long arms to make it difficult to score inside against the Stones.

  • Aug 5, 201212:40 am
    by richc

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    what most of you fail to realize is that next year is suppose to be a big free agent year hence the reason joe D is getting guys with expiring contracts because it will free up alot of cap space to sign a free agent next year

  • Aug 5, 20121:44 am
    by Nick S

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    Is that why Dumars gave Prince that 4 year (impossible to unload contract) last year?
    It seams like Joe D ‘s only agenda is to take care of the players thats been with him rather
    than looking after the teams best interest.  I can’t believe Gores hasn’t figured this guy our yet!!

    • Aug 5, 20123:23 am
      by rick

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      R U even remotely serious Nick S? I guess you havet been paying attention to some of the contracts that have been haned out in the offseason, and you crying about a relatively decent contract. Why do you think Tay isnt worth the money considering he’s been with the team since day 1? Is it me or is it everytime a team loses a favorite they bitch and moan about how mgt didnt do enough to keep said player, but in this case the team bottomed and he gets the boatload of the blame. That dude earned his money and if their is a problem with the contract it would be final year. Other than that the money is spot on for what he has done and what he is capable of doing. I think its hilarious that you think Goes does not know what he is getting in Dumars. What Gm out there that you know right off he top of your head that could do a better job? Go ahead Im waiting and while you’re at try and figure out the nine teams in the last 20 years to win titles before you start throwing Joe under the bus. I will go on to  say how many out that nine have a Gm that won a title and managed one as well? Its comment like this that get me riled and upset when people dont know what it takes to be a Gm in a professional league. This is not NBA2K12.

      • Aug 5, 201210:15 am
        by tarsier

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        Prince isn’t overpaid. It’s a totally reasonable contract. But it was still foolish because Prince is not well suited to playing on poor teams, Prince probably won’t be much good any more by the time this team is ready to be very good, the Pistons would have been better off (though maybe not in terms of wins) giving the minutes to a young player like Daye or Jerebko, and the contract has too many years on it so it impairs flexibility. If Dumars was getting a bargain, adding extra years wouldn’t be a problem. But Prince’s contract is right about the level it should be. It just should have been offered by a contender who would have use for him, not the Pistons. But hopefully Dumars can get an expiring deal and a draft pick out of him yet. Or include him in a package for a Gay/Iggy/Smoove sort of player.

      • Aug 8, 201211:06 am
        by Samuel Small

        Reply

        Well Sai d Rick. Totally agree

  • Aug 5, 20129:32 pm
    by sop

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    Best Daye trade:
    Minnesota gets Daye and Will Bynum
    Pistons get Derrick Williams and Luke Ridnour 

    It works in trade machine and Minnesota desperately wants to deal these guys.
    It would kill a good portion of Detroit’s cap space for next summer though.

    • Aug 5, 201210:07 pm
      by MyTimeIsNow

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      Why would Minnesota want to trade D. Williams already? They just drafted him last year with the second pick, and he hasn’t even reached his full potential yet.

    • Aug 6, 20126:03 am
      by Derek

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      I would do that Daye/Bynum for Williams/Ridenour trade in a heartbeat.  Williams is a cross between a powerforward and a small forward.  He has enough size and strength the bang with the bigs, yet he’s skilled enough to play a more skilled perimeter game.
      With opportunity, Derrick Williams could be a terror in the league.  I think Daye would benefit from a change in scenery.  Bynum can get it done off the bench in just about any system.  I’d like both player to get an opportunity to shine.
      I also like what was proposed earlier, acquiring Rudy Gay.  The only draw back to getting RG is his poison pill of a contract.
       
       

      • Aug 6, 20128:43 am
        by tarsier

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        Gay’s huge contract is the only reason such a deal would be somewhat possible. Because it would be a very obvious basketball win for the Pistons.

        This proposal would never go anywhere because Bynum and Daye are each worth maybe a mid to late second rounder at best. Williams is a second overall pick in his second season. His trade value is lower than a year ago, but he is still easily worth a lottery pick. And even Ridnour doesn’t have a bad contract. I could see a fair trade of Daye+Bynum for Ridnour. But no Williams thrown in.

  • Aug 5, 201211:35 pm
    by Truett

    Reply

    Daye took a huge step back last year… he is going to have to start off the season shooting really well and soaking up the boards to have anyone interested in him

  • Aug 6, 201212:18 am
    by Vance

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    I would put a package on the table that would send CV, Singler, Daye, Jonas Jebreko and Bynum for Rudy Gay. The Pistons need a real scorer. Singler cant get it done, JJ cant get it done, Daye cant get it done, and CV cant get it done.

    • Aug 6, 20126:06 am
      by Derek

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      CV, Daye, and Bynum for Gay, ok.  I would hate to lose Jerebko.  JJ brings energy and work ethic.  He’s only going to get better.  Singler…I feel really good about his potential as well. 

      • Aug 6, 20128:38 am
        by tarsier

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        I’ll say it would be ok to get a nearly all-star caliber player for three guys who are barely in the rotation. But there is not even the slightest reason for Memphis to consider such a deal. Even with Jerebko and Singler thrown in, this would be a clear loss for them. By the way, if you’re totally content with a trade idea, odds are it is totally lopsided and never going to happen.

  • Aug 6, 20125:12 am
    by alex hale

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    tell me what you think of my ideas for the pistons all bloggers.

  • Aug 6, 20129:27 am
    by Venice

    Reply

    theres no way okc will that deal .period

  • Aug 6, 20122:34 pm
    by Craig

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    I would rather let middleton walk than trade Daye

  • Aug 7, 20129:54 am
    by Alex

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    Let this damn team play! stop with the damn trade talk like you guys are playin NBA 2kDaye has all the potential in the world to take over Prince’s job if Detroit can just throw some support behind him for once. let some of the best management in the league do their job the way they know under new ownership so Detroit can make its comeback. If ben walllace wants to play . He will be the 15th man. if not Khris will be that simple! this roster has so much potential and versatility its ridiculous some of the trade scenarios you guys are throwing out just for the sake of change . this 15 man roster we have needs to play a full season in the current system of our new coach open for dialogue and re-evaluation at trade deadline.  though i would love to see this team go the distance for one more year. come on Detroit. only way we can win a title next year is if we start goin to games and supporting them with the energetic crowd they need to win. no team goes to the finals with a half filled arena and no team morale. you want their success you better stop treatin them cold. DEEEEEETROIT BASKETBALLLLL =D

    • Aug 7, 201212:41 pm
      by rick

      Reply

      You tell em Alex!

    • Aug 7, 20121:21 pm
      by tarsier

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      You get a new 15 man roster every season (expiring deals leaving, retirees, new draft picks, etc). If you have to give a team a year to evaluate before doing any trades, you’ll never make a deal. I’m not for making stupid trades, but with 30 teams in the league with somewhat different needs, there are probably a few deals out there that mutually make sense.

      “let some of the best management in the league do their job the way they know”

      I’m not sure there is really a great argument for or against Detroit having some of the best management in the league. Obviously, things have just been shuffled a bit so we have never seen this particular group and that makes it a bit early for comment. If you’re just talking about Dumars then he clearly has quite a mixed bag of moves thus far. Brilliance in putting together the championship squad. Abhorrent moves in taking it apart. But one thing is certainly true. Without trading, you will be at best a decent management team. It is one of the avenues for improvement, so those who never use it cannot be among the best. Kinda like it is difficult to be an all-time great basketball player if you are only good on one end of the court.

  • Aug 7, 201210:43 am
    by Craig

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    im with Alex

  • Aug 7, 20129:43 pm
    by gmehl

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    Just a thought but how about an Austin Daye for DeJuan Blair trade. I’m not sure of the figures but both teams are looking to move either player so thought i would suggest it. Even though Blair has his health issues with his knees we probably wouldn’t get anything more than a 2nd rounder or if we got really lucky a late 1st rounder for Daye. The only problem here is you just know with the coaching Daye would get at the Spurs he would becom a sure fire all-star within a couple of seasons.

  • Aug 8, 201212:28 am
    by Jae

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    The piston have to many players playing out of position, stuckeys a pg playing sg, cv sf playing pf, daye sf playing pf. Monroe pf playing c, I can go on and on, they have almost no pure position player that a why there not doing so well stretching all these players past thee abilities

  • Aug 8, 20126:11 am
    by Derek

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    After the Finals loss to the Spurs Dumars talked about building a team of players who were not tethered to a particular position that could win in a multi-faceted ways (grinding it out or blowing teams away offensively).  Perhaps with all of the “out of position” players we are in the process of seeing that vision come about.

    I like the Knight/Stuckey backcourt.  Both players can run the team…to some degree and both have the ability to get there’s.

    The other out of position players create matchup problems for other teams.  Hopefully we see them really git er done.  I’m really excited about seeing this team grow

  • Aug 8, 201211:30 am
    by Samuel Small

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    Fellas, I love the post, but here is my two cents and I expect some change back:

    1) Stop Cutting Charlie V. Its not going to happen, Dumars has already said so. They are going to Let him play his way to success or out of town, they are not going to cut him.
    2) These Trades you guys are making are actully entertaining and funny, but if you think they can happen, hell see if we can get LeBron or Kobe. I would take Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosh,
    3) Dumars will offer the Big Money to Knight, Monroe and Maybe Stuckey. He will not take on a big contract and If Andre Drummond even turns out to be something Special, he will pay Drummond. I do not think they will be stuck on the Big 3 phenomenon that everybody is caught up on.
    4) I want to see what this team looks like with a Full Training Camp and time to gel with the Coaches. If Prince Can give me 15pts, 5 Rebounds, I will take it. Stop Trading him too, cause I don’t see it happening unless it improves the team or improves the future.
    5) Maxiell will be the X-Factor
    6) Ben Wallace is the Key, If he retires, You sign Middleton. I would still Move him to Europe, Hell I would stock him and English to allow them to get the playing time they will not get this year. By then, you will know what you are going to do with Daye, Magette, Charlie V and Prince.
    7) I would do all I can to let Charlie V and Prince get good and then move thme. All intents, Thier contracts are not that bad with a Good Year to a contender.

    • Aug 9, 20124:35 pm
      by Crispus

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      Samuel

      4) Agreed.
      5) Why? Explain.
      6) This is interesting because stashing English would give Daye the chance to shine, or fail, as the spot up shooter guy. I believe English is definitely in the plan for this year though, he’s a bedrock character guy and apparently Drummond’s Jiminy Cricket.
      7) Good call.

  • Aug 14, 201212:48 pm
    by joyce trice

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    Sign Middleton to a contract. Don’t sign Ben Wallace and either sign Gaines to the D league and V Macklin to the D league again. Next year the team will know exactly what they will accomplish this year. Keep Daye because he is good. He needs to be more physical and stop acting so timid. If you get hurt that the way the game is. Playing timid will not get you a spot on our team. You and shoot and drive so do what you know you can do best. Tay is still a part of the pistons but the young stuff needs to play just like when he was sitting on the bench and nobody had any faith in him either. Daye looks depressed when he doesn’t play. But he has to do more than jack those 3′s up and not try to get a rebound because he can do better than that. Middelton I see him as a future piston, so try to keep him. Don’t sign Ben Wallace. He is not in our future plans. Rember Amir johnson in the same way Daye is used just the same way.

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