Comments on: Vyacheslav Kravtsov reportedly receives two-year, $3 million contract http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:50:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79615 tarsier Thu, 26 Jul 2012 02:45:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79615 I didn't think I was raising a big stink about it. Like I said, it doesn't really bother me. I am just trying to understand why Joe would offer him more than the minimum. I don't se any reason for Kravtsov not to take that. As for the 20% of the salary removed by giving away a draft pick, i recognize it's more complicated that that, but he is eating right around 100% of the salary removed this season and about 10% of what was removed for next season--all in all, about 20%. Also, all the articles you provided are pretty much the same as what I found with google. They tell me next to nothing about Kravtsov. They say he is big, he was signed by the Pistons, and maybe the mediocre stats he put up in a weak league last year. I'm all for taking a chance on a big man. I'm fine with that big man being Kravtsov even though he wasn't good enough for any other team to show hardly any interest, but he was overpaid. It probably won't obstruct anything, but it still seems stupid of Joe to give him $1M/yr more than it would probably take to sign him up. I didn’t think I was raising a big stink about it. Like I said, it doesn’t really bother me. I am just trying to understand why Joe would offer him more than the minimum. I don’t se any reason for Kravtsov not to take that.

As for the 20% of the salary removed by giving away a draft pick, i recognize it’s more complicated that that, but he is eating right around 100% of the salary removed this season and about 10% of what was removed for next season–all in all, about 20%.

Also, all the articles you provided are pretty much the same as what I found with google. They tell me next to nothing about Kravtsov. They say he is big, he was signed by the Pistons, and maybe the mediocre stats he put up in a weak league last year. I’m all for taking a chance on a big man. I’m fine with that big man being Kravtsov even though he wasn’t good enough for any other team to show hardly any interest, but he was overpaid. It probably won’t obstruct anything, but it still seems stupid of Joe to give him $1M/yr more than it would probably take to sign him up.

]]> By: Venice http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79581 Venice Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:43:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79581 Im talking about AK47 not Kratsov lol. Im not an idiot. Im talking about AK47 not Kratsov lol. Im not an idiot.

]]> By: XstreamINsanity http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79564 XstreamINsanity Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:58:21 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79564 Center, not forward. Though, we might see small stints with him and Drummond in, so maybe he or Drummond will play PF for a few minutes.  lol. Center, not forward. Though, we might see small stints with him and Drummond in, so maybe he or Drummond will play PF for a few minutes.  lol.

]]> By: Venice http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79543 Venice Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:01:01 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79543 another forward ?HELL NO! another forward ?HELL NO!

]]> By: Levi Thieman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79537 Levi Thieman Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:10:44 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79537 any chance we could acquire AK47?? any chance we could acquire AK47??

]]> By: GarageTalk http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79529 GarageTalk Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:18:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79529 I guess at the end of the day it's such a small investment don't really see a reason to make stink...maybe he had to give slightly more money to help with the move from the Ukraine haha I guess at the end of the day it’s such a small investment don’t really see a reason to make stink…maybe he had to give slightly more money to help with the move from the Ukraine haha

]]> By: GarageTalk http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79528 GarageTalk Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:09:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79528 In terms on the trade exception I was simply stating that we had that extra 1.4m...As for not being able to read a decent article on the guy I have read quite a few nice peices, check them out: http://www.freep.com/article/20120702/SPORTS03/120702015/detroit-pistons-vyacheslav-kravtsov-slava-ukraine http://mobile.mlive.com/advannarbor/pm_105108/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=pwK5nMxb http://www.sourcenewspapers.com/articles/2012/07/07/sports/doc4ff2f1e2d0011848628087.txt I hope these and a few others out there fill your need...Overall it is a minimal investment that will give us much needed size, a young athletic big to push Drummond and basically cut ties with the guy of he doesn't pan out at no loss...his upside is well worth the minimal imvestment...in a day and age of grossly overpaid fringe players adding a guy that size and athletically is NBA ready (according to two former NBA coaches Brian Hill and Nick Frattelo, both of whom have coach him on his National team and league team where he has won Player of the Year for the last two years) Saying you wouldn't trade 1first rounder for 5 Kravstov is your opinion but if I could get 5 athletic 7 footers, defensive minded and able to block shots I would take my chances...Not saying this guy is going to light the league on fire but for 1.5 Mil a year how is there such a beef? 20% on the money we save? It's 10% a season he is going to eat up...the money he makes this year is not hindering us from a major signing this season, Gordons 13.2 mil we saved for next year clears up space to sign a solid free agent or two, Kravstovs 1.5 mil will not in the slightest hold us up in making a major signing...next year we are due nearly 22mil dollars (Maggette, Daye, Bynum, Maxiell)...1.5mil of the 22mil we free up is even less than 10% of the money Kravstovs money will eat up! In terms on the trade exception I was simply stating that we had that extra 1.4m…As for not being able to read a decent article on the guy I have read quite a few nice peices, check them out:

http://www.freep.com/article/20120702/SPORTS03/120702015/detroit-pistons-vyacheslav-kravtsov-slava-ukraine

http://mobile.mlive.com/advannarbor/pm_105108/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=pwK5nMxb

http://www.sourcenewspapers.com/articles/2012/07/07/sports/doc4ff2f1e2d0011848628087.txt

I hope these and a few others out there fill your need…Overall it is a minimal investment that will give us much needed size, a young athletic big to push Drummond and basically cut ties with the guy of he doesn’t pan out at no loss…his upside is well worth the minimal imvestment…in a day and age of grossly overpaid fringe players adding a guy that size and athletically is NBA ready (according to two former NBA coaches Brian Hill and Nick Frattelo, both of whom have coach him on his National team and league team where he has won Player of the Year for the last two years)

Saying you wouldn’t trade 1first rounder for 5 Kravstov is your opinion but if I could get 5 athletic 7 footers, defensive minded and able to block shots I would take my chances…Not saying this guy is going to light the league on fire but for 1.5 Mil a year how is there such a beef?

20% on the money we save? It’s 10% a season he is going to eat up…the money he makes this year is not hindering us from a major signing this season, Gordons 13.2 mil we saved for next year clears up space to sign a solid free agent or two, Kravstovs 1.5 mil will not in the slightest hold us up in making a major signing…next year we are due nearly 22mil dollars (Maggette, Daye, Bynum, Maxiell)…1.5mil of the 22mil we free up is even less than 10% of the money Kravstovs money will eat up!

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79522 tarsier Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:00:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79522 Also, wtf is the relevance of the trade exception? A) You can't sign free agents with TEs B) Even if you could, obviously the Pistons didn't need it to sign him C) Dumars just gave up a minimally protected first rounder to get almost $15M off the books over two seasons. This signing just ate about 20% of that. Much as I like the idea of signing a project big man, I wouldn't trade a loosely protected first rounder for the opportunity to take chances on 5 Kravtsovs. Also, wtf is the relevance of the trade exception?

A) You can’t sign free agents with TEs
B) Even if you could, obviously the Pistons didn’t need it to sign him
C) Dumars just gave up a minimally protected first rounder to get almost $15M off the books over two seasons. This signing just ate about 20% of that. Much as I like the idea of signing a project big man, I wouldn’t trade a loosely protected first rounder for the opportunity to take chances on 5 Kravtsovs.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79521 tarsier Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:52:30 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79521 "If you've read anything about him"? Where do you read anything about him? I've googled him and looked at the first couple pages of hits. Mostly they just tell you he's some dude who Detroit signed. Occasionally they even give a couple stats indicating that he was a mediocre player in league far inferior to the NBA. I'm glad to have another project big. And his salary likely won't get in the way for the Pistons. But when nobody decides he is even worth the investment of a second round pick, there is usually a reason. And then, when somebody gives such a guy a shot, it is usually for a min contract. I'm not really worried about the extra million in cap hit for two seasons. I just find it curious that Dumars would bid against himself and pay triple the going rate for an undrafted player with no NBA experience. Is it really that amazing that people would question Dumars for that? “If you’ve read anything about him”?
Where do you read anything about him? I’ve googled him and looked at the first couple pages of hits. Mostly they just tell you he’s some dude who Detroit signed. Occasionally they even give a couple stats indicating that he was a mediocre player in league far inferior to the NBA. I’m glad to have another project big. And his salary likely won’t get in the way for the Pistons. But when nobody decides he is even worth the investment of a second round pick, there is usually a reason. And then, when somebody gives such a guy a shot, it is usually for a min contract. I’m not really worried about the extra million in cap hit for two seasons.

I just find it curious that Dumars would bid against himself and pay triple the going rate for an undrafted player with no NBA experience. Is it really that amazing that people would question Dumars for that?

]]> By: Tom Y. http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-79511 Tom Y. Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:41:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/vyacheslav-kravtsov-reportedly-receives-two-year-3-million-contract/#comment-79511 I'm amazed by some of the responses here, this is an athletic 7-footer with several years of professional experience, who seems to be on the verge of a breakthrough (if you've read anything about him). Who knows if he'll play well in the NBA, but if he does it's a steal, and if he doesn't, no big deal (especially considering the trade exception GarageTalk mentioned, I didn't know about that and still thought it was a really good deal). I’m amazed by some of the responses here, this is an athletic 7-footer with several years of professional experience, who seems to be on the verge of a breakthrough (if you’ve read anything about him). Who knows if he’ll play well in the NBA, but if he does it’s a steal, and if he doesn’t, no big deal (especially considering the trade exception GarageTalk mentioned, I didn’t know about that and still thought it was a really good deal).

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