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Pistons sign Andre Drummond

Obviously. Per the Detroit Free Press:

The Detroit Pistons have signed first-round draft pick Andre Drummond to a multiyear deal.

The team announced the deal tonight but did not disclose terms.

The situation with the team’s second round picks, however, possibly depends on what the Pistons are planning to do with their roster. If no trade is in the works to clear at least one roster spot to accommodate the reportedly returning Ben Wallace, the team does have the option of not offering a contract to its second round picks. That seems unlikely — Kim English has played well during two summer league games and, though Khris Middleton has struggled, the team seemed to be very high on him after selecting him with the first of their two second round picks. They could also amnesty a player or release one outright, but since those contracts are guaranteed, those represent far more expensive options.

According to resident PistonPowered capologist Dan Feldman, the Pistons have until Sept. 6 to offer their draft picks contracts. If a contract hasn’t been offered by then, they lose the rights to that player. Trading a player for a pick would work to free a spot, assuming they can find a team right now that would give up a draft pick for the handful of players the Pistons might consider trading. Trading multiple players for fewer players in return would work as well. They could also try and convince one of their second round picks to play overseas for a year, but who knows how receptive either would be to that.

Anyway, the best solution would be a trade. Even if he has struggled, the Pistons are rebuilding, so no one wants to see the team give up on a draft pick so quickly.

25 Comments

  • Jul 10, 201210:13 pm
    by George

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    Draft position should have no bearing on who gets signed and/or receives more playing time.  Jonas being a second rounder didn’t stop him from rightfully starting over Austin Daye.  English’s way is slightly more paved due to him being more of a natural SG than Middleton.

    • Jul 10, 201210:17 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      That’s a separate issue. The Pistons might like Middleton, for example, and think eventually he can be an OK or better player. But if a trade doesn’t materialize to clear a roster spot, it’s significantly cheaper to not sign a second round pick than it is to sign him and then release someone owed guaranteed money to create the needed roster spot. Also, if they waive someone, that guaranteed money stays on their salary cap for the life of the contract too.

  • Jul 10, 201210:24 pm
    by MNM

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    I don’t care too much who they make a deal with.. They just better make a deal.. I don’t care if I sound greedy or impatient, but after 3 years or so, they’ve made one trade and they had to give up a future draft pick to get rid of the guy.. That’s not gonna do it for me. Not good enough. So if Houston doesn’t end up being a part of “Dwight-Gate”, then I would look to them to possibly make a deal with.. They have plenty of draft picks, Pistons have plenty of players… Not sayin’, just sayin’…

    • Jul 10, 201210:29 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I’m right there with you.

      But it’s hard to get teams like Houston or Cleveland, who horde those extra draft picks, to give them up. They all think they’re just compiling assets to trade for whoever the next unhappy star is, so it’s probably a tough sell to convince them to give up a second rounder for a reclamation project like Daye or a rental on an expiring contract like Maxiell or Bynum or Maggette.

    • Jul 10, 201210:30 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      And as for Houston, they do have plenty of picks, but after the Camby sign and trade goes through, they are in an even more crowded roster situation than Detroit, with as many as 19 guys potentially and only 15 roster spots to accommodate them.

      • Jul 10, 201210:53 pm
        by MNM

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        Yeah, Houston was the 1st team I could think of, since they continue to wedge themselves into the mix for Dwight and trying to create some noise and appease the fan base down there.. If they don’t get him, then it’s possible, not probable, but possible that they might feel slightly desperate and feel that they need to do SOMETHING this offseason/season period.. Off the top of my head, it would be kinda like Detroit wasting little time signing BG and CV a couple summers ago.. Not saying that Houston would do anything with Detroit as far as draft pick or picks for players, but crazier things have happened Im sure..

  • Jul 10, 201210:52 pm
    by tarsier

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    Amnestying a guy is not a far more expensive option if his roster spot is used to sign one of the second round draft picks. In that case it would be a rookie minimum contract more expensive than just letting the pick go.

    • Jul 10, 201210:59 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      It’s still expensive in the sense that you’re paying an expensive salary for a guy who is not on your team.

      • Jul 11, 20122:31 am
        by Tom Y.

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        You’re paying him anyway. If you’re not using him or have prospects to trade him, the only extra cost is whatever you’re paying to his replacement.

      • Jul 11, 20126:21 am
        by tarsier

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        I’m confident that Gores and Dumars understand the concept of a sunk cost. It may feel worse to pay a guy to not be there. But it’s not too different from paying a guy to be there but not contribute much of anything. Now I don’t know if Middleton or whoever could contribute more than CV (because he is obviously the prospective amnesty target). But if another player could, the distasteful feeling of paying a guy to go away is not a good argument to keep him around.

  • Jul 10, 201210:58 pm
    by Victor

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    First, you do this:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6m8mz9c

    Then you sign those rookies, bring Ben back or whatever.

    • Jul 10, 201211:02 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Hahaha. That’s an awful deal for Toronto.

      • Jul 10, 201211:08 pm
        by Victor

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        That’s why they are Toronto.

        • Jul 10, 201211:16 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          They already gave one gift by taking Terrence Ross at No. 8. Now you’re just being greedy.

          • Jul 10, 201211:18 pm
            by Victor

            My preciousssss

          • Jul 11, 20128:42 am
            by Victor

            I have a doubt. Just curiosity. If the Raptors insanely accepted this trade, could they amnesty Prince in case they didn’t like his production. I think they couldn’t cause his extension occured after new CBA, but my father thinks they can.

          • Jul 11, 201210:21 am
            by Patrick Hayes

            You would be correct — players signed after the new CBA are not eligible to be amnestied. Also, you can’t amnesty players you trade for either, so even if Prince’s contract were eligible for the amnesty, in the trade scenario you mention above, Toronto would still not be able to amnesty him.

        • Jul 11, 20122:36 am
          by Tom Y.

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          If Daye continues to play like this, maybe they could actually bite. Interestingly, Holinger’s stats have us losing that deal. I guess he hasn’t found a way to calculate the impact of Isolayshaun yet.

  • Jul 10, 201211:36 pm
    by Max

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    I’d be a fan of Middleton somehow being convinced to go to Europe.  Maybe he’s still not 100% or whatever.  Either way, if he’s not going to make an NBA roster anyway, maybe he can be convinced.  Then if the Pistons actually make the playoffs and lose their pick next year, at least they’ll have him coming in.  If he’s not going to be part of the twelve man lineup, what would be the upside of him not going this route?

    • Jul 11, 201210:26 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      The upside for him would be maybe another team is willing to sign him and have him on their roster immediately.

      He could go to Europe for the Pistons this year and come back with no guarantee they sign him next year. Remember, the Pistons have sent second round picks overseas fairly often. Alex Acker ended up eventually being signed, but Deron Washington was cut in camp when he came back and Trent Plaisted and Ricky Paulding were never signed. There were allegedly other teams interested in Middleton in the draft, which is reportedly why the Pistons felt they had to reach for him with the first of their two second round picks. If that was truly the case, I have to think Middleton would have other NBA opportunities this year. His market might not be the same if he goes to Europe and falls off the radar a bit for a season.

  • Jul 10, 201211:39 pm
    by Vince

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    Quick question: You can only amnesty players that were signed pre-lockout right? Unless I’m mistaken Austin Daye was signed pre-lockout? 

    Otherwise he might’ve played himself into someone else’s team with his Summer League performance…

    • Jul 11, 20126:23 am
      by tarsier

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      Daye is not worth amnestying. Not a big enough contract.

  • Jul 11, 201212:17 am
    by Travis

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    Is this a reasonable expectation?

    My prediction for Andre Drummond(1st season):

    Minutes per game: 22.7
    PPG: 7.2
    RPG: 5.8
    APG: 1.9
    BPG: 1.7
    SPG: 0.5

    Not a great first season, but he is only 18.

  • Jul 11, 20121:38 am
    by George

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    I was just talking about signing/making space for Middleton vs. doing the same for English. One plays more comfortably at a position of need and if he does indeed perform better in summer league and at training camp then he should absolutely be next in line to make the roster, despite Middleton being drafted a few spots ahead, whether we have 13 or 15 men already on the roster.
    I would amnesty Villanueva or trade Daye for peanuts regardless of the quantity or quality of second round picks we had just selected.  Gores might not see things my way, but I’d set an example to the rest of the team that inconsistent performance, effort, and attitude would not be tolerated on this team.

    • Jul 11, 20121:39 am
      by George

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      Fack, this posted in the wrong spot. Reply@Pat.

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