Comments on: ‘Good chance’ Ben Wallace returns to Pistons next season http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 25 May 2013 01:16:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77635 frankie d Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:39:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77635 no...the problem is that the team has been locked into a syndrome of treading water. they have accumulated a fair amount of younger talent, but they have lapsed into playing retread vets that are just good enough to keep the team from totally collapsing.  and the talent has been concentrated in a couple of areas, 2s and 3s. the team has actually churned through a fair number of nba-level rotation players in the last few years, and this year they have accumulated even more talent, but management - joe d and various coaches - has always reverted to playing vets just good enough to keep the record from being a total disaster.  this year the talent is a bit better, but the pattern is the same. no…the problem is that the team has been locked into a syndrome of treading water.
they have accumulated a fair amount of younger talent, but they have lapsed into playing retread vets that are just good enough to keep the team from totally collapsing.  and the talent has been concentrated in a couple of areas, 2s and 3s.
the team has actually churned through a fair number of nba-level rotation players in the last few years, and this year they have accumulated even more talent, but management – joe d and various coaches – has always reverted to playing vets just good enough to keep the record from being a total disaster. 
this year the talent is a bit better, but the pattern is the same.

]]> By: Steve K http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77619 Steve K Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:55:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77619 With regard to English, I'd say he's closer to a lock than not. The team needs his outside shooting, and they're not deep at the guard position (shockingly). It's crazy that a lottery team might have to shed a worthwhile player. The problem is that they have a lot of potentially-good players but very few <em>actually</em>-good players. With regard to English, I’d say he’s closer to a lock than not. The team needs his outside shooting, and they’re not deep at the guard position (shockingly).

It’s crazy that a lottery team might have to shed a worthwhile player. The problem is that they have a lot of potentially-good players but very few actually-good players.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77610 frankie d Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:15:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77610 bringing ben back is great.  it is the right thing to do. now, management - the coach primarily - has to handle the situation correctly. his primary job has to be as mentor/emergency big man, to be used in limited games and minutes. his main job should be working with drummond before, during and after games.   and maybe getting onto the court 20 times during the course of the year, against some of the old war horses, like tim duncan, that the refs will allow him to rough up. drummond and the other young guys have to play.  and the coach will have to resist the understandable impulse to throw ben out there for 17-20 minutes a game, every night.    even at his advanced age, ben is still good enough, with enough tricks, to competently handle a regular rotation.  that may be great for ben and it may help somewhat in the short term, but it will represent more of the same short term thinking that has helped put the team in its current hole.  i'm not optimistic.   everything i saw of frank last season indicated that his first impulse will always be to go with the vet who won't make the kind of aggravating mistakes that young players invariably make. this is where joe d will have to  lay down the law and dictate that the team will not go through another year of prioritizing short term vet fixes over developing younger players.  considering the past, i'm not optimistic of that happening either, but one can only hope.  great to see ben back for an encore, and it could work out to be a fantastic opportunity for drummond - having a good mentor can be the most important part of any young professional's development - but it has to be handled the right way or this year could be another frustrating, wasted year for drummond and the pistons. bringing ben back is great.  it is the right thing to do.
now, management – the coach primarily – has to handle the situation correctly.
his primary job has to be as mentor/emergency big man, to be used in limited games and minutes.
his main job should be working with drummond before, during and after games.  
and maybe getting onto the court 20 times during the course of the year, against some of the old war horses, like tim duncan, that the refs will allow him to rough up.
drummond and the other young guys have to play.  and the coach will have to resist the understandable impulse to throw ben out there for 17-20 minutes a game, every night.   
even at his advanced age, ben is still good enough, with enough tricks, to competently handle a regular rotation.  that may be great for ben and it may help somewhat in the short term, but it will represent more of the same short term thinking that has helped put the team in its current hole. 
i’m not optimistic.  
everything i saw of frank last season indicated that his first impulse will always be to go with the vet who won’t make the kind of aggravating mistakes that young players invariably make.
this is where joe d will have to  lay down the law and dictate that the team will not go through another year of prioritizing short term vet fixes over developing younger players. 
considering the past, i’m not optimistic of that happening either, but one can only hope. 
great to see ben back for an encore, and it could work out to be a fantastic opportunity for drummond – having a good mentor can be the most important part of any young professional’s development – but it has to be handled the right way or this year could be another frustrating, wasted year for drummond and the pistons.

]]> By: John V http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77605 John V Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:42:42 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77605 As long as English keeps shooting the lights out, he will stick around. We need a shooter with Gordon gone. Macklin is not included in the 15 that the pistons already have. He is off the roster and if he was signed and Ben came back that would make 17. So Macklin is gone, done deal. That means one more has to go. With the glut of SF/wing players we have, Middleton seems to be the odd man out. He is going to have to prove his worth over the next few days and outplay Daye or English. As long as English keeps shooting the lights out, he will stick around. We need a shooter with Gordon gone. Macklin is not included in the 15 that the pistons already have. He is off the roster and if he was signed and Ben came back that would make 17. So Macklin is gone, done deal. That means one more has to go. With the glut of SF/wing players we have, Middleton seems to be the odd man out. He is going to have to prove his worth over the next few days and outplay Daye or English.

]]> By: Corey http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77602 Corey Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:37:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77602 I think Middleton will go oversees because of the #'s game, not his first summer league game. The SF depth chart looks like: Prince, Maggette, Singler, Jerebko, Daye, Middleton. I don't know the order, but as a new 2nd round pick I suspect that Middleton is last. The 6th string SF will not see minutes, so better if he plays in Europe and comes back next year when at least a couple of those guys are gone. I think Middleton will go oversees because of the #’s game, not his first summer league game. The SF depth chart looks like: Prince, Maggette, Singler, Jerebko, Daye, Middleton. I don’t know the order, but as a new 2nd round pick I suspect that Middleton is last. The 6th string SF will not see minutes, so better if he plays in Europe and comes back next year when at least a couple of those guys are gone.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77601 Patrick Hayes Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:10:31 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77601 <p>Yes, if the Pistons wanted to keep Middleton's rights and still play him in the D-League all season, they'd have to sign him and he'd count as one of the 15 roster spots.</p> Yes, if the Pistons wanted to keep Middleton’s rights and still play him in the D-League all season, they’d have to sign him and he’d count as one of the 15 roster spots.

]]> By: ray http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77600 ray Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:04:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77600 Hahahah.....fans are so in the moment..... English has one good game...and Middleton has a quite game and all of a sudden Middelton goes overseas....Middleton can also play SG he will find mins And Daye looks really good, even his body language why trade a guy for a 2nd rd pick that likely you will have to develop all over again? I don't think Been wallace is come back, I think his body is done and he knows it ..... If he want to help mentor Drummond that's what practice and training time is for .... Dumars is doing the right thing by giving been time and not slamming the door in his face, but coming back after a farewell tour is lame, and some will tell been this and the longer he plays the less he will be appreciated for what he did in his prime Hahahah…..fans are so in the moment…..

English has one good game…and Middleton has a quite game and all of a sudden Middelton goes overseas….Middleton can also play SG he will find mins

And Daye looks really good, even his body language why trade a guy for a 2nd rd pick that likely you will have to develop all over again?

I don’t think Been wallace is come back, I think his body is done and he knows it ….. If he want to help mentor Drummond that’s what practice and training time is for ….

Dumars is doing the right thing by giving been time and not slamming the door in his face, but coming back after a farewell tour is lame, and some will tell been this and the longer he plays the less he will be appreciated for what he did in his prime

]]> By: Ballboar http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77599 Ballboar Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:55:47 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77599 I thoght the same as I viewed our roster & evaluated Byrum's past season.  why they didn't go for a PG in the draft I thoght the same as I viewed our roster & evaluated Byrum’s past season.  why they didn’t go for a PG in the draft

]]> By: CNA5 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77596 CNA5 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:32:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77596 I don't think I'd call Singler a lock.  At the end of the day, he's still a player making the league minimum.  He will struggle on a daily basis in the league to create his own shot. Middleton and English were long shots to begin with- simply because they are second round picks.  English's jump shot could get him on the team. Locks: 1.  Prince 2.  Jerebko 3.  Stuckey 4.  Drummond 5.  Monroe 6.  Maxiell 7.  Wallace 8.  Knight 9.  Maggette 10.  Villanueva Probably: 11.  Bynum -- not entirely convinced he won't ask out to search for a multi-year deal 12.  Daye -- Unless the train goes completely off the tracks, Joe's going to hope he plays into some value. More likely than not: 13.  Kratsov Survival of the fittest: Singler, English, Macklin, Middleton I don’t think I’d call Singler a lock.  At the end of the day, he’s still a player making the league minimum.  He will struggle on a daily basis in the league to create his own shot.

Middleton and English were long shots to begin with- simply because they are second round picks.  English’s jump shot could get him on the team.

Locks:
1.  Prince
2.  Jerebko
3.  Stuckey
4.  Drummond
5.  Monroe
6.  Maxiell
7.  Wallace
8.  Knight
9.  Maggette
10.  Villanueva

Probably:
11.  Bynum — not entirely convinced he won’t ask out to search for a multi-year deal
12.  Daye — Unless the train goes completely off the tracks, Joe’s going to hope he plays into some value.

More likely than not:
13.  Kratsov

Survival of the fittest:
Singler, English, Macklin, Middleton

]]> By: Corey http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/good-chance-ben-wallace-returns-to-pistons-next-season/comment-page-1/#comment-77594 Corey Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:46:30 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=10566#comment-77594 Middleton will probably spend the year in Europe, opening up a spot. They didn't draft O-Quinn because of Drummond and Kravtsov, I would think. Too many young big men and not enough minutes. Of course, this issue apples to Middleton and SF's as well, making me wonder why they didn't draft a young PG instead. Must not have thought there was one left with a real shot at playing in the NBA. Middleton will probably spend the year in Europe, opening up a spot.

They didn’t draft O-Quinn because of Drummond and Kravtsov, I would think. Too many young big men and not enough minutes. Of course, this issue apples to Middleton and SF’s as well, making me wonder why they didn’t draft a young PG instead. Must not have thought there was one left with a real shot at playing in the NBA.

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