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Austin Daye, Brandon Knight, Kim English win summer league awards

Via Magic Basketball, Austin Daye made the Orlando Summer League First Team, Brandon Knight made the Second Team and Kim English was an honorable mention. From the press release:

The Orlando Magic’s first round draft pick Andrew Nicholson headlined the 2012 AirTran Airways All-Summer League First Team at the conclusion of the five-day event at the Amway Center in Orlando, Fla. Nicholson concluded summer league play averaging 12.8 points per game and 6.8 rebounds per contest.

The Utah Jazz’s Alec Burks, Detroit’s Austin Daye and a pair of Indiana Pacers, Miles Plumlee and Lance Stephenson, rounded out the First Team selections.

The All-Summer League Second Team consisted of Oklahoma City’s Lazar Hayward and Reggie Jackson, Boston’s Jared Sullinger, Detroit’s Brandon Knight and Orlando’s Kyle O’Quinn. Honorable Mention selections were given to Detroit’s Kim English, Boston’s E’Twaun Moore and Dionte Christmas, Utah’s Enes Kanter and Jeremy Evans, Philadelphia’s Jacob Pullen and Justin Holiday, Orlando’s Justin Harper and Maalik Wayns and Brooklyn’s Tyshawn Taylor and Al Thornton. The members of the AirTran Airways All-Summer League Teams were selected by participating NBA teams’ public relations representatives, members of the media and select NBA personnel.

2012 AirTran Airways Orlando Pro All-Summer League Teams

1st Team

G – Alec Burks, Utah
G – Lance Stephenson, Indiana
F – Andrew Nicholson, Orlando
F – Austin Daye, Detroit
C – Miles Plumlee, Indiana

2nd Team

G – Brandon Knight, Detroit
G – Reggie Jackson, Oklahoma City
F – Lazar Hayward, Oklahoma City
F – Jared Sullinger, Boston
C – Kyle O’Quinn, Orlando

Honorable Mention

Boston – Dionte Christmas, E’Twaun Moore
Oklahoma City – Garrett Temple
Utah – Enes Kanter, Jeremy Evans
Orlando – Justin Harper, Maalik Wayns
Detroit – Kim English
Philadelphia – Jacob Pullen, Justin Holiday
Brooklyn – Al Thornton, Tyshawn Taylor



  • Jul 13, 20126:15 pm
    by Mark


    Drummond deserved defensive player of the week, if they had such an award. Also I don’t see how Knight was not 1st team PG when he led the league in assists and wins. All for fun though, so don’t really care either way.

    • Jul 13, 20126:27 pm
      by philsense


      I agree.  It is meaningless, but Knight deserved to be a 1st Team Preformer.

      • Jul 13, 20126:38 pm
        by Mark


        yeah, I mean he avg 7.3 asts and the next closest PG avg 5.7. I guess they don’t count assists as a measure of a PG when it applies to Piston PG’s, lol.

        Funny because when Knight was the 2nd leading scoring rookie last year, it was ‘he doesn’t get enough assists for a PG’. Then when he leads SL in assists, he loses out 1st team to a couple guards who scored more than him, lol.

        Again, I don’t care, just saying its funny how Pistons always seem to get the shaft when it comes to awards.

        • Jul 13, 20127:52 pm
          by tarsier


          Yeah, there are always things to criticize about a player’s game. But how did Knight get the shaft on awards? He didn’t get first team in the summer league, but he did get all-rookie first team for last season. That may not matter either, but it does count for a lot more.

          Somehow, I bet fans of about 30 teams complain that somehow their players always get the shaft on awards. And probably about 15 of them have a stronger case than do Pistons fans.

          • Jul 13, 20129:21 pm
            by Mark

            I was talking historically. Going back to Isiah in ’85 when he set the record for assists in a season, avg 14 asts to go with 21 ppg. He should’ve been MVP but lost to Bird because he avg like 27-28ppg. Then in 2006, Chauncey should’ve won MVP over Nash, but the argument was Chauncey was just a scoring guard and not a true PG like Nash, who had more assists.

            Just seems like the unwritten rules for these awards are always changing when it comes time for a Pistons to win one. When we have a guy with a lot of assists, we lose out to the guy who scored more. When we have a guy who scored more, we lose out to the guy who had more assists, etc.

            To your last point, considering Pistons are a top 5 all-time franchise, I find it hard to believe that 15 other franchises have stronger cases for awards than us. Simply because we’ve had more successful players than most franchises.

          • Jul 13, 20129:41 pm
            by tarsier

            You don’t seem to have any idea what the argument was for Nash to win MVP. Billups wasn’t even a serious contender for the award. Kobe was far more likely to win. As for Chauncey, it is hard to be MVP of the league when one could make a legit argument that you are the 5th best player on your own team. I’m not saying he was the 5th best or 5th most valuable or whatever–just that it was really close. Nash won because he came into Phoenix and transformed an otherwise mediocre team into a juggernaut. He may not have deserved MVP, but his contributions to that team put him well above Billups. And he was way better statistically in virtually every category except turnovers as well–not just assists.

            Sure the unwritten rules may keep seeming to change. But you’re kidding yourself if you think the Pistons have been particularly victimized by them. Some of the unwritten rules that never really change though: you have to be clearly the best player on your own team, you have to be statistically dominant, your team has to have one of the best records in the league, your presence on the team has to lift it from not serious contender status to serious contender status.

            In 1985, the Pistons weren’t that great of a team. If Zeke wasn’t lifting them to contender status, he was always going to be a long shot for MVP. In 2006, Billups was not clearly the best player on his own team, he was not statistically dominant, and it wasn’t clear that the team would not be contenders without him there. These really are consistent standards.

          • Jul 13, 20129:43 pm
            by tarsier

            The standards for making all-NBA teams are much less consistent. But it’s not like Detroit has done particularly poorly historically in terms of getting guys all-NBA recognition.

          • Jul 13, 201211:22 pm
            by Mark

            First of all on Nash, the argument that he won MVP because he turned around PHX was valid in ’05, but by ’06 that no longer applied.

            On Chauncey, the Pistons had the best record in the league in ’06, Chauncey WAS the best player on that team that year. 19 pts, 9 asts, 43% 3FG, and 89% FT? Which other Piston had a better year than that????

            When you compare it to Nash’s stats that year, they are almost identical, but Nash had 2 more assists and shot a better overall FG%. But Chauncey led his team to one of the all-time great starts @ 37-5, a franchise record 64 wins overall, while Nash only led PHX to 54 wins and nothing special about their reg season at all.

            Also, did you forget what happened when Chauncey left the Pistons in ’08? He was CLEARLY the difference between them being a contender and a scrub team. The only logical conclusion one could draw as to why he lost out to Nash was that Nash had more assists. Because FG% means jack-ish in these awards, as evident by Wall finishing 2nd in ROY voting despite shooting 41% FG. And if it weren’t for Griffins injury that caused him to play an extra rookie year, Wall would’ve been ROY shooting 41% FG.

            To my memory the explanation most gave at the time was Nash was the more pure PG and avg more asts. Like you said, normally best player on team with best record wins MVP. The rules obviously changed though when the best team was the Pistons, and their best player had just about the same season statsically as the guy who did win MVP that year.

          • Jul 13, 201211:35 pm
            by Mark

            And that’s not even mentioning how VASTLY superior Chauncey was to Nash defensively, and how when they matched up Chauncey owned him.

            Gm 1:
            CB; 27 pts, 11 asts, 3 TO’s, 9-15 FG, 3-4 3FG
            SN: 18 pts, 8 asts, 6 TO’s, 6-17 FG, 1-4 3FG

            Gm 2:
            CB: 35 pts, 5 asts, 4 rebs, 12-23 FG, 5-7 3FG
            SN: 13 pts, 9 asts, 2 rebs 4-11 FG, 1-5 3FG

            And Chauncey won both games

          • Jul 13, 201211:45 pm
            by Mark

            btw, if Isiah didn’t deserve MVP because of his teams record, then Kobe didn’t deserve to be in the discussion either in ’06. At least Isiah got his team 2 games from the ECF in ’85, taking BOS to 6 games. Kobe blew a 3-1 lead and lost in the 1st round.

          • Jul 14, 20126:21 am
            by tarsier

            The fact that he turned around phoenix was still valid in 2006 because people could still see how much vastly better phoenix was with Nash than without him. I recognize the huge impact that Billups had and how evident that became after the trade sending him to Denver. But that is irrelevant because that information was not available at the time. If you thought then that removing Billups from the team would have such a tremendous effect, you were in a very small minority.

            Yes, Billups definitely qualified on the point of being on one of the best records in the league–the best in fact. But clearly the best player? He put up 18.5-3.1-8.6. Rip was at 20.1-3.2-3.4, Sheed had 15.1-6.8-2.3, Ben had 7.3-11.3-1.9. And all of that is before blocks and steals and FG% where basically all the other starters were significantly beating Billups. Yeah, if you had to choose a best Piston that year, it probably would have been Chauncey, but he was not clearly their best guy. As I said, that makes it really hard to be MVP. It’s not about meeting one of the 4 standards I threw out. It’s all 4. And yeah, when I said Kobe, I was probably mixing up which season we were talking about. Because he didn’t have the Lakers in contender status. So I probably should have said Dirk or Duncan. Oh well.

            Also, it is irrelevant how far Isiah carried the team in the playoffs. Again, that is not information the voters have at the time. And even if it were, it is purely a regular season award. The point is that the 85 Pistons didn’t look like a contender at the time of voting.

            Finally, no, Nash didn’t win because he was the more “pure PG.” He won in part because his impact on Phoenix was so visible and in part because he was statistically dominant. You say Billups and Nash put up similar numbers. 18.8-4.2-10.5 significantly beats 18.5-3.1-8.6. Furthermore, efficiency really does count. Nash was shooting 51%! As a PG! Compared to Billups’ 42%, which is actually quite a bad number. He was also beating Billups on FT% and 3pt% although not by as much. Today, I doubt Nash would win MVP for that season and Billups would be more in the running. but that is because of expanded use of advanced stats. You can’t claim inconsistency there, though. Pace just wasn’t considered much back then. We continue to develop tools to better analyze basketball. But even with out present better tools, it would have been really hard for Chauncey to win just because the relative rankings of the Pistons’ starting lineup were so close.

            It is a little bit ridiculous to compare this to Wall because that was a ROY race. This was an MVP race. Also, Wall didn’t win ROY. And not because Griffin played an extra rookie year, because Griffin played a postponed rookie year. That’s a really big difference. Also, the competition amongst rookies is not nearly so stiff so you can get by on a low shooting percentage. And you were making a big deal about Wall nearly getting ROY shooting 41%. If that seems crazy, how preposterous would it be for an MVP to shoot under 42%? Granted, Iverson proved that you can win MVP shooting 42%. But he was also carrying an otherwise terrible squad to the east’s best record and scoring over 30/game. Billups can’t claim either of those.

            I never said that normally the best player on the best team wins MVP. No, normally all the players who meet the 4 criteria I laid out above are basically the MVP candidates. How they are sifted from there can be inconsistent. I recognize that. But neither of the Piston examples you gave me fit those 4 criteria. And not every MVP will meet all of them either. But the exception is very rare and usually an MVP has to go way beyond on one in order to make up for a shortcoming in another.

            Also, I didn’t really respond to head-to-head matchup comparisons because I don’t know of hardly any times when that has been considered a significant factor in MVP voting. but if it were, it would have to be when there are clearly two MVP candidates and then everyone else. In 06, it was not a case of clearly Billups and Nash and then everyone else.

            But your second comment of if not Zeke, then not Kobe was dead on. And that is probably why Kobe didn’t win that year in spite of going crazy for 35-5-5. If he had been on a 50 win team, that would normally make him a near lock for MVP. And that was a case of being so statistically dominant that it almost made up for not being on a great team. Similarly, Zeke should have finished higher in the 85 voting. But finishing lower than deserved in a year he probably shouldn’t have gotten MVP anyway is hardly cause for a huge a grudge or implications of a trend of Pistons being sold short.

          • Jul 14, 201211:03 am
            by jacob

            Chauncey Billups did win an MVP. NBA finals MVP. The one that counts.

  • Jul 13, 20127:18 pm
    by sop


    Love how Marshon Brooks tied the Orlando all time league scoring high today and didn’t even make honorable mention. Shows how ridiculous this is.

    • Jul 13, 20127:43 pm
      by Vic


      That was fair, he really only had one good game.
      Knight was the bestbpg in the league though. Not a big deal, but let’s see if it’s a real improvement.

    • Jul 14, 201212:20 pm
      by rick


      Chauncey should have won that MVP award hands down.  Mash had Stoudemire and company but he gets the award and Chauncey gets told that he loses out because of his team. Ok then, how does LeBron win it when he plays with Wade and Bosh? It was a weak argument back then because the media perpetuated that $hit from the jump. Had Nash and the Suns been 37-5 , their was no way he would’nt win it. The Pistons just are not that sexy in the media’s eyes. The more that season went on I felt that if Billups went down we would be alright but it wouldnt be the same. If its about whose the most valuable to your team then I dont know how Billups doesnt win it. Someone can probably easily search and find another season where  Nash had similar or identical numbers to his MVP season and he probably didnt even sniff MVP consideration. Billups had a phoenomenal season and got the shaft. How many other point guards could come onto our team and handle all those personalities and still be good and all the while being the straw that stirs the drink? Perfect fit and should have gotten that award. John Stockton probably had a smilar season in statistics and didnt get close to winning a MVP, so what made Nash’s season more special than Billups?

      • Jul 14, 201210:00 pm
        by tarsier


        It’s not that you can’t win it with good teammates. In fact, it is extremely difficult to win it without good teammates. It is that unless you are clearly your team’s most valuable player, you will always be an extreme long shot for the award. And Billups was not clearly the team’s most valuable player. On retrospect, you could make a decent, but still not incredible, case that he was. But at the time: definitely not.

      • Jul 14, 201210:09 pm
        by tarsier


        Billups had a very good season. But let’s not get carried away. It was hardly phenomenal. 18.5-3.1-8.6 on 42% shooting is good, but most seasons there are at least ten players with comparable or better numbers. The Pistons had a very good season, but it was a fairly typical best-record-in-the-league season. Some team does that every year. So unless the notion that Billups was the most valuable member of the team was very nearly beyond debate, he was a very long shot for MVP. How is this so hard to understand?

        Granted, he had a better shot that year than he would have most seasons because there was no fantastic MVP candidate. But it would have been hugely inconsistent of voters to give it to him. It was not inconsistent, as Mark and Rick are implying, for them not to do so.

    • Jul 13, 20128:08 pm
      by MNM


      *knew*…. God damn it..

  • Jul 13, 20128:47 pm
    by Bryan


    Anyone else think it’s weird to see “Brooklyn?”

  • Jul 13, 201210:06 pm
    by Reaction


    To be honest guys.. I’m not sure anymore about how good our roster is/if we will be even in contention for a playoff spot. I’m watchin the Vegas games and they are actually good. Like they don’t compare to the Orlando ones. I’m talkin about the lottery picks goin at it head to head. They all look as impressive or more impressive than what we showed

  • Jul 13, 201210:07 pm
    by Dan


    What happened to Singler?  Was there a reason he missed several games?

    • Jul 13, 201210:13 pm
      by Reaction


      They liked what they saw from Singler and Knight and decided to let them rest. Nothing happened

  • Jul 13, 201211:08 pm
    by ryan


    I hope Vernon Macklin gets a good situation overseas next year and then if Ben Wallace retires I’d be happy to see him come back.

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    by no sign up chat room


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  • Jul 15, 20125:46 pm
    by Jesse


    Can someone explain to me why a 28 year old Al Thorton is still playing in the summer league? He is in his physical prime playing against guys who are battling to make a roster, dude should completely dominate this competition, not getting an honorable mention.

    • Jul 16, 201212:58 pm
      by Bryan


      haha, my first thoughts were, “is there another guy named Al Thornton playing?”  and “is that a typo?” because I didn’t think teams let such old guys who have proven they don’t belong in the NBA play.

  • Jul 16, 201212:16 am
    by richardpwnsner


    Oh my dear sweet jesus, please for the love of god take this design out back and shoot it so I can actually read the content it hides.

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