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Andre Drummond shows potential, Kyle Singler shows ability in Detroit Pistons’ summer-league win over Utah Jazz

It’s probably foolish to draw too many conclusions after a full week of summer-league games. It’s definitely foolish to draw much after only one. But we have to start building a reliable sample for the Pistons’ younger players somewhere, so here’s what I noticed in the Pistons’ 76-73 win over the Jazz on Monday.

Andre Drummond

  • Opened scoring with a step-back mid-range jumper. He made that shot, but would he make it again in his next 30 attempts?
  • Used quick hands to get a steal under Utah’s basket and quickly hit a short fadeaway on the block.
  • Airballed two free throws. Maybe he should’ve faded away on those, too
  • Leaves his feet too often defensively
  • Had a couple blocks because he jumps a lot, also a goaltend for same reason
  • Had four steals, but I’m not sure whether a couple were good plays or just result of typical summer league sloppiness and the ball bouncing into his hands
  • Exploded quickly off catch into dunk
  • Made another dunk while being fouled and hitting the ball with the rim on the way up, converted thanks to huge hands
  • Most obvious assessment ever: promising, but raw

Kyle Singler

  • Showed great offensive variety. Made jumpers, drove to the basket, scored inside off cuts in the halfcourt and outran everyone on the fastbreak. He didn’t do anything great, but he did everything well.
  • Made a jumper with foot on the 3-point arc, a pet peeve of mine. Get your foot behind the line and get the extra point.
  • Played hard on both ends
  • Passed ball well, but not sure he has the ball-handling ability to run point forward at times
  • Incredibly efficient, shooting 6-for-8. Really picked his spots well
  • Fouled Deron Washington on late 3-pointer and Pistons leading, not a smart play

Brandon Knight

  • Drove many times he would’ve picked up his dribble last season – or not begun dribbling at all
  • Finishing in the paint was mixed bag
  • Used new driving ability well to set up cutting teammates. Would be a good match with Jonas Jerebko
  • Controlled the offense, but didn’t dominate it

Kim English

  • Took a couple charges
  • 3-pointers stroke looked excellent, converting 3-of-4 from beyond the arc with each make from the corner
  • Only Piston to make a 3-pointer
  • Doesn’t have the quickest first step but wasn’t shy about putting the ball on the floor
  • Willing passer off the dribble
  • Not sure I trust him to drive so much in a regular-season game, when help defense will be a half step quicker to cut him off

Austin Daye

  • Not involved in the offensive flow in the first half
  • Forced a couple first-half shots that he predictably missed
  • Moved better without the ball in the second half
  • Made himself available for looks within second-half offense
  • Predictably shot better in second half

Khris Middleton

  • Didn’t play much or do much when he played
  • Shot 1-of-4 and committed four fouls in 18 minutes
  • Of the six summer-league players likely to make the regular-season roster, only one not to start and played fewest minutes of group.
  • I’ll repeat the same question I asked myself on draft night: Why pick him ahead of Kim English?

Vernon Macklin

  • Looked like a poor version of the Macklin we saw in garbage time last season
  • Must play better to make the Pistons worry about keeping him on the roster

Yancy Gates

  • Didn’t have the explosiveness to dunk in moderate traffic in paint sans running start
  • Will probably need to cut weight to make next level

Casper Ware

  • Too small to fight through a screen and allowed a jumper most NBA guards would make
  • Solid ball-handler
  • Could become a Will Bynum type, but so could many and Bynum spent years crafting his game overseas to make himself the exception, not the rule, for undersized score-first guards

50 Comments

  • Jul 9, 20125:35 pm
    by Mark

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    Lame review on Drummond. Had a couple blocks because he jumps a lot? wtf does that mean?

    He was awesome defensively in this game. You’re nitpicking.

    • Jul 9, 20125:51 pm
      by DasMark

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      This wasn’t meant to be an in-depth, very serious round-up. It’s just one summer league game, which means a whole lot of nothing in the long run. That’s why he gave it a light hearted round-up. It didn’t seem to me like he was hating on Dre. 

      Despite his raw talent, Pistons fans are still going to have high expectations for him. Myself included, I was hoping to see him grab 10+ boards, and maybe swat three shots. I was a little underwhelmed.

      • Jul 9, 20126:15 pm
        by Mark

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        You must’ve missed the gazillion shots he changed then. The amount of blocks a player has pales in comparison to the amount they change, which is the more impactful stat. Drummond shut down the paint and shut down Kanter. 4 steals, he was everywhere on defense. I realize its a SL game, but I’m just being honest as to what I saw in this particular game. If you’re basing your opinion off the boxscore you will be disappointed because it was one of those games where the stats don’t tell the whole story. He was the player of the game, imo, because of his defense.

        Daye on the other hand had 12 pts, 8 rebs, and 2 blks – great statline, but anyone who watched the game could see he played like garbage for most of it.

        • Jul 9, 20129:32 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          He was great vs. Kanter. His length and athleticism are just flat out things the Pistons have had none of up front for years now. That’s why he’ll be a contributor right away. Not sold he’ll be more than a 15-20 minute per game contributor just yet though. Remember, Kanter is talented, but he’s still young and developing himself.

          • Jul 10, 20121:16 pm
            by BIGMARV

            Yeah kanter is talented but you can tell drummond is in another class, his presence alone players wasnt getting to the hole easy yesterday he will surpass Kanter real soon

      • Jul 9, 20127:24 pm
        by Victor

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        Kanter: 1-7 from the field. That speaks a little bit of Drummond’s defense in this particular game. Dre’s four steals don’t seem to be all real steals that came from defensive efforts. Iwould credit him two – that would still be a good number for a center.

        If Drummond is able to replicate  games like this one through the regular season, I’d be ok with a good defender rookie 7-footer center that averages 8 points, 5 boards, 2 blocks while scoring efficiently from the field.

        He needs to shoot 4 billions of FTs a day though. maybe then he can hit 55% of them.

        • Jul 9, 20128:57 pm
          by DasMark

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          I read somewhere that Ben Wallace is his free throw shooting coach.

    • Jul 9, 20129:14 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      @Mark:

      It’s pretty obvious what ‘had a couple of blocks because he jumps a lot’ means. It means that Drummond is a capable shot blocker now because he’s a superior athlete who can jump really high and get to shots that few can get to, but he doesn’t necessarily have the timing aspect down of being a shot-blocker.

      JaVale McGee, for example, blocks a lot of shots but he’s not exactly a dominant shot blocker. He just tries to block every shot, no matter how ridiculous, because he can get to shots that no one can get to. Drummond is that same way. That’s not a terrible thing — him challenging everything is certainly better than what the Pistons had. But his shot-blocking does need refinement.

  • Jul 9, 20125:41 pm
    by ray

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    Daye was very active on the boards…and made some good pump fake dribble moves…..and he had a block or two….

    Knight was trying to be a PG and did a good job at keeping everyone in the game…alot of shots he missed he normally makes

    Singler all around offense impressed me, and just he all around knowledge of the game

    English is a leader who isnt afraid…and you can tell how he played in the 2nd half

    Drummond, probably could have had 10 pts 10 boards and 3 blks…felt like he let a few rebounds get away from him…he wanted that monster put back on the offensive board….but defensively he did a great job on Kanter who was known as a power back to the basket player..but he couldnt move Drummond…Also alot of talk about Drummond motor he played hard and was active all game

  • Jul 9, 20125:45 pm
    by ray

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    not trying to overhype Drummond or Kanter…butI saw Kanter play last year, and Drummond turned him into a jump shooter….

    Only thing I want drummond to realize is that he will be the biggest, strongest, fastest, and most athletic big man on the floor about 85% on the time…no need for step back jumpers…

    • Jul 9, 20125:48 pm
      by Brendon

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      biggest, yes, strongest, eh he’s strong but there are some strong C/PF players in the NBA, but he will be the fastest and most athletic for most games but still needs to develop his game a little more.

  • Jul 9, 20125:49 pm
    by DasMark

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    Thanks for the observations, Dan. It’s great to know that even though I don’t have NBA TV, I can come here and read some feedback on it. 

    I was hoping Drummond would have rebounded the ball better than he did. Getting out-rebounded by Austin Daye can’t make any NBA center feel good. I remember Dwight Howard having a lot of trouble staying on his feet while playing defense in his rookie season. Sure, he still has that same issue to some extent, but it was bad in his rookie year. I’d take him biting on some pump fakes and nabbing some dumb fouls in his rookie campaign if it leads to him being a 2+ shot blocker down the road.

    English looked like he killed it from the box score. While I don’t take too much stock in Summer League play (See: DeJuan Summers), it’s still nice to see a second round pick show his shooting acumen off. 

    Disappointed in Middleton’s production here. 

    Also, disappointed in Knight’s box score. If he was going to be aggressive with the ball, I expected him to put up more than 17 points. This is a guy who’s talking about escalating his game to “all-star caliber” if I remember correctly. I suppose we should give him some more time to get there.

    Anyways, thanks again Dan!

    • Jul 9, 20125:58 pm
      by Nate

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      I watched the game and I don’t think you should be all that disappointed with Knight’s box score. He made some really nice passes, a lot of times his teammates couldn’t knock down the shot though. Especially in the second quarter where we had only 9 points. Plus, this is just the first game together with our summer league team. I’m not surprised his assist totals were so low. He hasn’t played much with these guys. I expect Knight will play much better during the regular season.

      • Jul 9, 20126:04 pm
        by DasMark

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        Thanks for the response. I was more disappointed with his scoring output. Knight can pass, no question. His assist totals would have been massively higher last season if his teammates could knock down a good look.

      • Jul 9, 20126:10 pm
        by James Jones

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        I couldn’t agree more, I watched the game as well and Knight looked pretty good.  

        I was a little skeptical of Knight being able to become a real PG last year, I’m hoping i’m wrong and for at least this one game he’s looking like a real PG.

    • Jul 9, 20126:17 pm
      by Mark

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      DasMark – I touched on it in my other response, but now you confirmed what I thought, that you didn’t actually see the game. You can’t just go off of boxscores and then say you were underwhelmed with a players performance.

      • Jul 9, 20126:38 pm
        by DasMark

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        True, I didn’t see it. I was just hoping Dre would have pulled down a few more boards, that’s all.

  • Jul 9, 20125:55 pm
    by ray

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    drummond  only had 5 or 6 rebounds….. but it wasnt a weak 5-6 rebounds he played big and i think he will average 10 or more for the rest of summer league

    English reminds me of Affalo…nothing like what summers did 3 years ago…English is deadly from behind the ark….

    and dont sleep on Daye he looked real good especially in the 2nd half

    • Jul 9, 20126:22 pm
      by Mark

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      Drummond rebounded fine. The reason he only had 5 was because it was him that was forcing all the misses inside and the loose balls were landing away from him most of the time. Not concerned at all with his rebounding. He was boxing out Kanter whenever he wanted, the rebounds just weren;t bouncing his way or the perimeter shots were going in.

      Plus Knight is always stealing a few rebounds a game from his big men, lol. I remember Monroe complaining about that last year, and he stole a couple from Drummond this game too, lol.

  • Jul 9, 20126:00 pm
    by frankie d

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    middleton looked like a slug.
    looks like a wasted pick.  if a guy looks like that playing against rookies and scrubs, what is he going to look like against nba vets.
    knight looked like he worked on his handle this summer and it looked like he was trying to show off his new skills.    he overdribbled almost every time down the court.

    • Jul 9, 20126:06 pm
      by DasMark

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      Luckily, Detroit is loaded at the 3, so if Middleton doesn’t pan out, it’s of no great loss. But, it’s just one game. Although, Singler is making his name known for a roster spot.

      • Jul 9, 20126:25 pm
        by frankie d

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        middleton was a high second round choice in a deep draft.  there were lots of guys who could have been taken instead of middleton.  while joe has hit on a fair number of his later picks, he’s also wasted a bunch of picks, picks where observers scratched their heads and wondered what he was thinking about. middleton looks like another one of those headscratching picks.
        while one player like middleton is no great loss, when you pile up all the wasted young players or picks that have been tossed aside, it matters a lot.

        • Jul 9, 20126:41 pm
          by tarsier

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          Well yeah, if you only look at his second rounders who didn’t pan out. But a high enough percentage of the head scratchers have worked out that you gotta give him the benefit of the doubt. Now, that doesn’t mean when he picks a guy who just seems wrong, you expect that it will be a good pick. But you do realize the odds of his pick turning out are probably better than someone else’s.

          That said, I’m still annoyed that he took Middleton with Lamb on the board. Lamb was just such an obvious pick. He probably won’t turn out wither. But he had more value as a prospect than anyone else left on the board.

          • Jul 9, 20127:14 pm
            by frankie d

            lamb…mike scott…kyle o’quinn…will barton…tashawn taylor…kevin murphy…darius miller…darious johnson-odom…
            all guys who had been much more productive than middleton.
            i’m not going to run down the list of joe’s picks over the years, but just look at the team’s roster now? 
            how many of the guys on his roster have come from those picks?
            another head-scratcher.  right up there with terrico white and walter sharpe.

          • Jul 9, 20127:24 pm
            by frankie d

            btw, i’m really not talking about whether he picks a good player or bad player.  i’m really more concerned with the fact that he’s ended up reaching on guys that will probably never see the court because a roster position is already overcrowded.  
            it would be one thing to reach for players in the second round, knowing that those players might be able to come into camp, earn PT with their play and force their way onto a roster.
            when joe picked terrico white, there was no way – as was proven – that white was ever going to see any court time.  the backcourt was already packed with wing guys dying to play.
            same thing with middleton.
            even if he plays well, what is the point?
            is he going to beat out tay or singler or JJ or daye or even stuckey for time at the 3?
            what is the point of drafting a guy who has no chance on earth to play for your team?
            and the nonsense about just taking the best player on the board is just nonsense.
            imho, if you reach for a guy like o’quinn, even if it doesn’t work out, it is not a wasted pick.  
            if o’quinn comes in, forces his way into the rotation, great.
            if he doesn’t, at least you took a chance on someone who might conceivably contribute to your team.
            the odds of that happening with middleton are extraordinarily slim – especially after watching him mope around the court – or none.
            i’d rather gamble on a guy who just might help my team.

          • Jul 9, 20127:38 pm
            by tarsier

            I think Terrico White was a fantastic pick. Maybe he didn’t work out and he wasn’t at the greatest position of need, but he was easily the best prospect left ont he board. When that is the case for a player, you gotta give him a shot every time.

          • Jul 9, 20128:10 pm
            by frankie d

            “… he was easily the best prospect left on the board.”
            on what planet?
            the great thing about basketball discussions is that you eventually have your ideas tested on the court.
            history has shown that sentiment to be deluded, at best.
            exactly where is white these days?
            and a guy picked a few choices after him, a much more productive college SG/SF, is a solid nba player, landry fields.
            and there is a list of other guys who were taken after white who have at least sniffed an nba court in the last year. 
            white may be an impressive athlete, but so far the idea that he was a “fantastic choice” and the best prospect available is decidedly contrary to the available evidence. 
            and what is particularly galling is what i’ve complained about and what you acknowledge: the team did not need another combo guard. 
            and you make my point for me: he didn’t really get a shot, and because of the roster’s composition, he was destined to not get a fair shot.
            how dumb is that?

          • Jul 10, 20126:34 am
            by tarsier

            The best prospect does not necessarily turn into the best player. Drummond was the best prospect left when the Pistons picked this year. That doesn’t change if he turns out to be a total bust. We all knew that was a possibility but his upside makes up for it. And he was destined not to get a shot? Sorry, i just don’t buy that. If he did a good job in practice, he would get a shot. Jerebko got one in spite of having Prince, CV, Summers, Daye, and Maxiell ahead of him initially.

            The team didn’t need another combo forward then. They had just drafted a pair of them. I appreciate the idea of drafting for need in the second round because the average discrepancy in talent as you go through the round isn’t huge. But if, according to your evaluation, one guy belongs significantly above another, you don’t take the other just because you don’t have a need for the one. Obviously, I haven’t seen Dumars draft board. But it would hardly be surprising if White was 10 spots or more ahead of the next guy left at the point when he was drafted–because that was the case if you looked at a lot of mock drafts.

            And I don’t like the Middleton pick, but it’s not like he doesn’t fit a need. This team sucks at SF. There are lots ahead of Khris, but Prince, CV, Maggette, and Daye probably aren’t part of the long-term future (or if Prince is, it will have to be in a significantly reduced capacity). So that leaves Singler and Middleton, both players drafted in similar positions and both being limited upside but potentially good role player types (kinda like Danny Green).

          • Jul 10, 201211:54 am
            by frankie d

            stating something in a categorical, unequivocal way doesn’t make it true.
            fact: white has not played a game in the nba since being drafted.
            fact:15 of the 24 players selected after him have played in the nba.  several, especially landry fields, have played significant minutes.
            fact: the pistons had will bynum, rodney stuckey, ben gordon, rip hamilton already on their roster.  they signed tracy mcgrady shortly after the draft.  they had drafted two other “3′s” who would spend time in the backcourt the year previous to selecting white.  absent an injury to several of those players, it was extremely unlikely that there would ever be space for another combo guard.
            webster’s definition of “prospect”:  “a likely candidate for a job or position” .
            under the circumstances that existed, white was an extraordinarily unlikely candidate for any job on the detroit pistons that year. 
            sorry that you keep trying to change history and facts.  what happened happened.  your refusal or unwillingness to accept what happened is novel, but just that, novel.
            and bringing up players like drummond and JJ is just as novel.
            was drummond the best prospect?
            possibly, but only time will tell.  we will be able to determine that in a few years.  
            but what is not in dispute is that detroit needed a big guy this year and therefore, even taking a gamble on a talented big guy who could come in and play – if your gamble worked – makes all the sense in the world.  
            if “drummond” had been a harrison barnes-like small forward, that would have been an entirely different story.  gambling on another small forward with tay and singler and magette and daye and jj already here would have been as dumb – or even dumber – than drafting white.
            JJ? totally different situation. white was a college player without a position, a guy drafted solely on his athleticism and potential.  the team was even trying to take a college shooting guard with abysmal assist/TO numbers and turn him into a point guard.  that experiment was a summer league disaster.
            JJ was an experienced professional by the time he came into the nba as a rookie.  he’d been playing professional basketball in europe since 2007.  while he certainly wasn’t a finished product, he was definitely much more advanced.  he was well-prepared to compete professionally, because he’d been doing it for years, already.
            ridiculous to compare a raw prospect, no matter how talented with a young player who has played in a professional league, against seasoned pros,  for several years before coming into the nba.  no comparison whatsoever.
            that european experience can make or break a young player, which is why teams farm guys over there and why a guy like singler comes back ready to contribute right away.
            and part of player evaluation and drafting is figuring out whether a guy you draft is going to “fit” your team, whatever your team’s circumstances are, at a particular time.  you have to know if a young guy is prepared to deal with what is going to confront him.  and it was obvious that white was not prepared to come in and do what he needed to do.
            i always laugh when i see fans retrospectively defend decisions, even when those decisions have turned out horribly.  i guess the idea is that the theory had some merit…someway, somehow, and therefore it was sound.  
            i am more impressed with results.
            but, imho, there is a level of cognitive dissonance that is stunning.

          • Jul 10, 20127:38 pm
            by tarsier

            hahahaha

            I can’t believe you busted out Webster’s on me. Just because a dictionary defines a word in a particular way doe snot mean that is the usage. Let’s just say that I have a been prospective employee for a lot of jobs. “under the circumstances that existed, [I] was an extraordinarily unlikely candidate for any [of those jobs].”

            Also, I love how you start out with “stating something in a categorical, unequivocal way doesn’t make it true” right before saying “fact: …”

            I also gave supporting evidence. Maybe I didn’t cite specific mock drafts or pre-draft ranking or draft boards or whatever, but on most of them, White was easily the highest guy left. If you don’t remember/believe me, I can go look some up for you.

            How is the McGrady siging relevant? He wasn’t there when White was drafted. What two SFs drafted the previous year would spend time in the backcourt? They were all considered combo forwards. Many Pistons fans longed for Daye to spend minutes at SG but if he did any there, not many. And to the best of my knowledge, Summers and Jerebko were never affiliated with the SG position. I don’t even know which you are referring to as that second guy. That leaves Stuckey, Bynum, and Gordon. While White was a long shot to outplay Bynum, he wasn’t an extreme long shot. Bynum has a very low ceiling. White kinda looked like more of a Terrence Williams type.

            Obviously JJ is a very different situation. Virtually any two players are in very different situations. But for the parameters you specified, they were a match. And whether they played professionally before or not, both were NBA rookies. If you think playing professionally in Europe first prevent players from the failings common to rookies, I can rattle off a bunch of counter examples for you on that count too.

            “i always laugh when i see fans retrospectively defend decisions, even when those decisions have turned out horribly.  i guess the idea is that the theory had some merit…someway, somehow, and therefore it was sound.
            i am more impressed with results.” 

            Of course, we all want results. And it is much more common to retroactively criticize a move that didn’t work out. But there is a lot of randomness in the business. All you can really expect of a decision maker is that his moves play the odds well. Some will still flop but you may as well criticize a shooter every time he takes and misses a good shot. It happens… a lot. But it is still smart to take those shots. Likewise, you get trades like the Gasol deal that worked out well for Memphis, but it was still inane.

          • Jul 11, 20124:00 pm
            by frankie d

            regarding what or who defines “the best prospect”, that is somewhat irrelevant.
            one prospect might be great for one team and simply redundant for another.  and if he is redundant on that particular team, he may never get a chance to show how good he is.  which is exactly what happened with white and it was entirely predictable.  as just about every draft analyst or pistons’ fan noted at the time he was drafted.  yes, he was considered someone with first round talent, but so what.  it is the job of a GM to know what he is drafting, and if you draft a guy who flames out after one year, without touching the court and other players taken after that guy suceed, you screwed up.  that is why they get paid the big bucks.  they aren’t some schmoe out there with a draft blog.  they are supposed to make their living judging and evaluating talent.   who cares what chad ford or draftexpress or draftnet say.  its not their job or reputation on the line.  joe dumars gets paid to get those decisions right and he obviously didn’t get that second round choice right.
            and you can go back and analyze why something didn’t work out till the cows come home.  bottom line: it didn’t work.  someone is responsible for the pick.  that person is joe d.
            i guess a quarter century of watching young players go over to the euro leagues and play and develop and come back to the nba as more accomplished players means nothing.  it means nothing for a young 17 year old playuer to spend 3 years playing professional BB agains men who are 5 and 10 years older and more experienced.  it does nothing to make them better prepared for the nba.  what everyone believes and what appears to happen is just an illusion.
            good to know you’ve set everyone straight.  
            i guess JJ is just deluded in thinking – as he has specifically stated – that his european experience helped him immensely.  who woulda thunk he was so crazy!

  • Jul 9, 20126:10 pm
    by JKP2

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    Dan – I want to see critiques - but it seems since Draft nite you have missed a few anger  mangement sessions!

    Call a tennis player and a few actors and get on board. I’m afraid you won”t last long, otherwise.

    Your Boss,  

    a reader.

  • Jul 9, 20127:55 pm
    by RyanK

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    Drummond did well.  We need a defensive force and I think he can hold his own in the NBA right now in that area.
     
    Drummond is exactly what we’ve been told…all athlete, no fundamentals.  He’s the opposite of Monroe.  It’s really up to him if he’s going to be a hall of fame player or the next Tyson Chandler…the Pistons win either way with the 9th pick: HOME RUN!

  • Jul 9, 20129:27 pm
    by MNM

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  • Jul 9, 20129:52 pm
    by Marcus

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    I don’t think enough love is being given to Singler. I’m well aware of the need to not overreact to a SL game, but I think he was easily the player of the game. No one else on the floor looked more like a professional than the he did, including Knight. The foul at the end was certainly dumb, but the rest of the game he was incredibly consistent. I think he’s ready to step in right now and be the backup 3. If he continues to improve his stroke, I see no reason as to why he couldn’t take over for Tay in a few years.

    • Jul 9, 20129:55 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Other than Knight, who will obviously play a ton, Singler was the only guy on the court for the Pistons today who I watched and thought was definitely going to play significant minutes this season (I don’t mean that as disrespect to Drummond or English … they both played well, obviously). I don’t want to get too over-excited, but the fact that they may finally have a player capable of pushing Prince for minutes would be huge.

      • Jul 10, 20124:12 am
        by Marcus

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        I agree that Singler is the most prepared of all the rookies to step in and play an impactful role, but I think how much time he gets really only depends on which position Maggette gets the majority of his time at. I think that Maggette is likely to be the primary backup to both Prince and Stuckey, leaving English and Singler 3rd on the depth chart at those positions respectively. But I agree that having other legitimate options at the 3 should have a positive effect on Prince. 

        As far as Drummond goes… I expect him to have a rookie season that is similar to the one Monroe had. Due to his youth and inexperience I think veterans are likely get the better of him early on, and as result he’ll probably struggle to get consistent minutes early on. The fact that we now have a suddenly crowded front court (no, I’m not counting Daye) should only make it more difficult for him. Hopefully reports of his coach-ability and work ethic are signs that he’ll improve throughout the year and eventually challenge Big Ben and Jonas for minutes.

        • Jul 10, 201210:46 am
          by Scott Free

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          I imagine we’ll see a Bynum, Magette, Singler, Jerebko, Drummond lineup coming in for the starters of last season (depending on foul situations)

  • Jul 9, 201210:34 pm
    by Corey

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    My solution to the Prince issue: Make him the backup point guard. 15 minutes a night at SF and 15 as the backup point. I think he’d actually be an asset then, instead of an impediment.

  • Jul 9, 201210:53 pm
    by Bugsygod

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    “Both teams played hard.” — Sheed

  • Jul 9, 201211:34 pm
    by Lorenzo

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    I know Drummond is dominating discussion here but I gotta dish out some props to Kyle Singler…IMHO he was the most impressive Piston on the floor. I really think think the guy is going to carve out a nice niche/minutes in the rotation—even with that spot on the roster being as heavily loaded as it is.

  • Jul 9, 201211:41 pm
    by gordbrown

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    Middleton is probably on his way to Europe. Then his rights stay with the Pistons and he gets burn. Solves one issue right there. I still hope that Joe makes a multiplayer trade and shapes the roster a little better. Other than that, thrilled with what I’ve seen (highlights, box score and comments from people who have functioning TVs for which I do not).

  • Jul 10, 201212:25 am
    by Dmixxed

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    When it comes to summer league, I personally like to read reviews of the opposing team’s beat writers to get a feel for what the Pistons look like to the non bias outside world. I found some great insight from this article:  http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsjazznotes/54458411-62/jazz-utah-game-kanter.html.csp

    Big question: Kanter was mysteriously absent. Utah ran two quick low-post plays for him at the start of the game, and Pistons rookie center Andre Drummond owned the No. 3 overall pick in 2011 on the block. Kanter never recovered. He often allowed Drummond to gain offensive and defensive position; he was slow getting up and down the court; he allowed foul calls to take him out of the game; his body language worsened as the Jazz fell behind.
    Jazz Summer League coach Sidney Lowe challenged, encouraged and yelled at Kanter throughout the game, while several Utah players attempted to coach and motivate him during timeouts. It was one of Kanter’s worst performances in a Jazz uniform. And while it was only a meaningless Summer League game, it was a discouraging sign for a player Utah hopes can one day become the team’s long-term starting center.”

    Refreshing to see that already our #9 pick Big is ahead of the #3 pick Big last year. I was going to be worried if he backed down to a true physical presence like Kanter (who also should be coming in with lots to prove) but I was pleasantly surprised that Drummond took his lunch. Also I remember reading an article about the one thing that impressed Monroe the most about Drummond was how quick his hands were, 4 steals falls right in line with that comment.

    • Jul 10, 20121:33 am
      by anotherchris

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      Good pick up- thanks for that.

  • Jul 10, 20127:23 am
    by Derek

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    Knight: looked stronger.  He absorbed the contact off the dribble and kept the dribble alive.  He was able to get to the basket leave his feet and maintain his composure against the contact.  I loved that he tried to dunk on his first drive.

    English: very poised.  He has really good team defense instincts.  I loved the charges he took.  I loved that he was able to body his man and keep him out of the lane.  His stroke is smooth and his first step drives to the basket were under control.  I see him as a reliable rotation player.  He won’t play a ton of minutes but I think he will give the team positive minutes.

    Singler: seasoned.  His time over seas really helped him.  He was a capable player coming out of Duke, but now he looks like the game moves slow around him.  He scored in a variety of ways and played a strong two way game.

    Drummond: is a promising project.  He left the floor a lot but in doing so he proved to be a quick repeat jumper.  Rodman and Larry Johnson used to be really good at repeat jumping for rebounds in particular.  I like that he has quick hands to compliment his leaping ability.  Also I remember Kanter as something of a bull last year.  He manhandled a lot of prospects in the 2011 pre-draft workouts.  He didn’t seem to be able to do that to Drummond.  The fadeway looked good, but locking into a couple of moves and powering up over Kanter would have been better.

    Daye: contributed really well.  He had a quiet 12 pts to go with a couple of 50/50 rebounds (loose ones).  I liked his hustle, but I sadly see no maturation in his body or his game.  The small forward crop is going to push him out of the rotation.  I see nothing that suggests he is capable of surviving the rigours of playing the four.

    Macklin: meh.  He usually looks hungry, but that wasn’t the case yesterday.  I think he’ll show more today and as the week goes on.

    Middleton: looking for more out of him too.

  • Jul 10, 20129:40 am
    by Anthony

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    Don’t like the fact that magette will be taking minutes from the new guys. I would love to see (by the end of the season) this group of starters, and producing well:
    Knight
    Stuckey
    Prince
    Monroe
    Drummond
    Then off the bench:
    Singler
    Jonas
    Slava (???) (the Ukrainian center)
    And English getting some time as an off the bench scoring spark.
    I’m not a fan of daye or Middleton. Never was a fan of magette, and thought Jason Maxiell wasnt good enough. Although last year he sparked their great run, I just don’t like his game.
    If that lineup comes to fruition by the end of the year and were producing well, I will be a happy pistons fan and I think well have a great outlook on the future.

  • Jul 10, 201210:46 am
    by craig

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    I was very pleased by the play of Kyle Singler. I believe the year over seas has really improved his all around game. Should be a great addition to the team.
    Drummond is a real raw talent I like his quickness and hands. With great passers he should get a lot of easy baskets

  • Jul 10, 201212:40 pm
    by Ray

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    http://www.proexposure.com/stories/0706c.cfm
    Dwight – 37 mins 1-13 shooting 7 pts 5-6 fts, 11rebs, 4blks 1stl 5 fouls
    Drummond 27 mins 4-6 shooting 0-3 fts , 5 rebs 2blks 4stls 4fouls
    Dwight that summer averaged 12ppg 10rebs 3blks but shot 35% but 71% for FT’s….

  • Jul 14, 20125:59 am
    by William Anderson

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    Terrico White was a great pick and we really missed out and if he was here last season he would have helped us out be time … We got to rebuild the Pistons with young guys like White and Monroe. I been hearing alot of good things about white and his workouts in FL …  Lets Bring Terrico White as SG. @TerricoWhite5 please come home back to detriot …

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