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Yancy Gates and Armon Johnson join Pistons’ summer-league team

In addition to Casper Ware, Yancy Gates and Armon Johnson will join the Pistons’ summer-league team, according to Keith Langlois of Pistons.com.

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  • Jun 30, 20122:50 pm
    by 1298ty

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    I like Yancy Gates, he’s definitely a character guy. Don’t know how he’ll fare in the NBA, but I’d like to see him make it.

    • Jun 30, 20125:10 pm
      by Adam

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      I also really like Yancy Gates as a basketball player. He’s big, strong, and a very good player. However, saying he is a character guy is funny after the Xavier-Cincy brawl last year when he cold cocked a couple people who weren’t even looking. He was one of the worst culprits, if not the worst in that brawl as far as the damage done.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgbvdFW5qoQ

      • Jun 30, 20125:46 pm
        by 1298ty

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        Fights happen. The way he handled the media afterwards showed maturity, even if his actions didn’t

  • Jun 30, 20123:12 pm
    by J in FLA

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    So the list so far is:

    Middleton
    English Jr.
    Macklin
    Gates
    Ware
    Johnson

    Will Drummond be playing?  I sure do hope so.

  • Jun 30, 20124:52 pm
    by MrHappyMushroom

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    Cools. This brings the number of guys connected to the Pistons who have any history as a primary facilitator to…zero.

    • Jun 30, 20129:57 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Remember though, the Pistons or any team are free to sign any of the non-roster summer league invite guys on other rosters. So if Machado plays well and the Pistons decide they want to offer him a contract, they can even if he’s playing on someone else’s roster for the summer league games. They can still be scouting facilitating point guards even if they don’t have one on their own summer roster.

  • Jun 30, 20124:57 pm
    by John

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    umm… Knight and singler too…”Knight, Daye, 2011 second-round draft picks Macklin and Kyle Singler, and 2012 second-rounders Khris Middleton and Kim English all are scheduled to play for the Pistons.”

    Quote via Mlive.vom

  • Jun 30, 20125:52 pm
    by Coach_Ackley

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    A little off topic here but I wonder what Free Agents the Pistons are targeting for tonight…. Free Agent period starts at midnight tonight….

  • Jun 30, 20126:09 pm
    by Bugsygod

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    Pistons Depth Chart:
    Starters —
    Pg Knight – sg stucky – sf prince – pf Monroe -c Kaman
    Bench –
    10-15mins backup pg Bynum – mybe less mins cld b traded
    10-15mins bckup sg English – plays his role well defends n shoots
    20-25 mins bckup sf singler/maggette- both push eachother an eventually Tay for mins
    20-25mins bckup pf – Jerebko/maxiel – training camp battle royal!
    20-25 mins bckup c Drummond – the big rook must first have a role
    Middleton/daye(who ever makes team) another training camp battle!
    CV an Ben – each has certain skill cv shooting an ben defense whichever is needed per nigh
    Starters — This is a talented enough team for playoffs. Stuckey has to be consistent, he has to get to line, stay healthy, play aggressive defense an score. That’s alot but Stuck has that type of talent, I look for borderline all star year. Monroe has to be our horse every night carrying us. Score in the post an rebound the ball an be in the All Star game. That should be his goal. Knight has to make shots, get the team into the offense and Lead. Prince has to be more steady this year an decrease his offensive role an focus more to what he’s best at–>Role Player. I see Kaman coming as FA the team an player have been linked for years. Think he can be had for mid level. Lot of teams worried bout luxury tax.
    Bench — Drummond will play Great some an bad some. His Entire goal this year is to become consistent. Everyday working, rebounding dunking running block shots. Those are the skills he has now. Just has to be consistent. Maggette takes BG role off bench just at different position, his job is to score period. Singler will provide very capable bckup mins as well pushing MG n prince for minutes. Plays his role, tough an has always played high level bball. English looks like Aaron Aflalo pt 2. He screams tough no nonsense warrior, he’s just gotta make shots. An I think he will. Maxiel/Jerbko will be a big battle for the backup PF mins. They both can play multiple positions max c/PF Jonas PF/sf. So they can push at other spots But this will be both guys no 1 spot. Both guys could be used in trade over summer or at deadline. Until then this will be a battle. Bynum will have more minutes this year with BG gone has to stop the turnovers an erratic play. His expiring 3.5 mil contract also may be offered throughout the year. CV not sure if he plays much. May need his shooting/scoring some games. Ben will be player/coach this year. The bad nights of Drummond Ben will play. Hopefully in this case we don’t see Ben much! Daye an Middleton will battle to make the team. Daye has the edge because of experience. But if Middleton shows anything. Daye will be gone.

    • Jun 30, 201211:52 pm
      by jon

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      sorry to say that DRUMMOND is going to be a starter cause we would not waste a top 10 pick to get a guy they need and just sit him, even if we get kaman……kaman could come off the bench or just dont get kaman….we can get a gaurd in free agency cause we are low on them

      • Jun 30, 201211:54 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Based on what? Monroe didn’t start for the first month of the season as a rookie. Knight wasn’t a starter out of camp either. The initial plan for him was to be the backup, but early injuries to Gordon and Stuckey put him in the starting lineup faster than the coaching staff planned. And both of those guys were picked higher than Drummond was.

  • Jun 30, 20127:30 pm
    by Venice

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    So you want our starters to have 10-15 mins per game ?You gave everything to our bench. lol.

    • Jun 30, 20128:48 pm
      by Bugsygod

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      Huh? There’s 48 mins to a game. Bynum gets 10-15mins knight gets 33-38mins.

  • Jun 30, 20127:37 pm
    by John

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    Drummond is gonna start.

  • Jun 30, 20127:51 pm
    by J in FLA

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    I also think that Drummond will start.  Trail by fire.  I highly doubt that we pick up any big free agents.  Our team is well stocked.  Cut a guy or two.  Trade a guy or two.  Develop the talent that we have.

  • Jun 30, 20127:52 pm
    by J in FLA

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    *trial

  • Jun 30, 20127:57 pm
    by John

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    Drummond’s surest bet is to work with Roy Rodgers to get adjusted to the starters regemin,study tape, improve skill set, and see if Hakeem or Shaq could come in??? Big Ben also…

  • Jun 30, 201211:01 pm
    by Vic

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    Kevin Jones already got signed, probably to a better contract than 2nd round draft picks. I sure wish we would do the same for Machado

    • Jun 30, 201211:10 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Slightly off-topic of Pistons, but since you brought up Jones, I thought this tweet from Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress was interesting:

      https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/218556880207876096

      “Kevin Jones learned a valuable lesson tonight. You don’t pick your older brother to be your agent. Hopefully not too late for him.”

      Basically, Jones probably should’ve been an early/mid second round pick. But I believe the rumor is his brother/agent tried to pull the ‘he has a first round promise’ scam and limited his workouts a bit as a result, thinking it would scare a team into taking him in the first round. Instead, he didn’t get enough pre-draft exposure to even be a second round pick. But I do like the signing for Cleveland. Think he’ll be a solid bench guy for them.

      • Jul 1, 20121:09 pm
        by Vic

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        Definitely not a good decision on his part

      • Jul 1, 20121:11 pm
        by Vic

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        But then gain, a contract is better than a summer league invite. Their thoughts may have been: round 1 or free agent. In that case they may have dumbed themselves into the smartest move

  • Jun 30, 201211:04 pm
    by Venice

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    @bugsygod .Look at the forwards .20-25 mins ? so prince  and monroe will play 20 mins per game ?

    • Jul 1, 20123:15 am
      by Bugsygod

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      Prince yes 25-30mins. Monroe 35-40mins at both c/pf. It will be a main 4person rotation up front Monroe,Drummond , Kaman Max/Jerbko There’s 96 mins. Monroe 35. Kaman 20, Drummond 20. Max/Jerbko 21mins.

      • Jul 1, 20123:56 am
        by Vince

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        I don’t get where Kaman comes into the picture, and why on earth the Pistons need him. If we should be pursuing anyone in FA it should be Jason Thompson, he can play C/PF and is solid defensively and offensively.

        • Jul 1, 20128:12 am
          by acr

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          this^^  Jason Thompson is a much better fit for the team we are building than Kaman.  He’s restricted, so he would be tougher to get than Kaman (sign and trade somehow?), but I want no part of Kaman.  His game does not fit the style of team that we are building at all…

  • Jul 1, 20125:15 am
    by MrBlockedShot

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    Jason Thompson would be an incredible addition to our team. He’s a freak athlete and has talent. I’d love to see him here. But how realistic is it for him to sign with the Pistons? Some trades must happen before to clear some cap space and Prince/Maxiell/Daye have the numbers imho…So far I think it’s gonna be some kind of a longshot I guess

  • Jul 1, 201210:32 am
    by Venice

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    I rather get Kaman than Thompson .We need veterans to show our young guys the ropes. We dont need a team full of young guys .

    • Jul 1, 201212:08 pm
      by Chuck

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      I don’t want Kaman teaching our young guys anything!  Get away.  Ben Wallace has the kind of hard nosed work ethic you want as a mentor.  Yeah he can’t teach them to shoot, but that’s what coaches are for.

      What’s Kaman going to teach them anyway?  How to be a poor to mediocre center and to play against your own country because you’re not good enough to play for them?

  • Jul 1, 201212:17 pm
    by Bugsygod

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    Jason Thompson is a good long term player, but with the drafting of Drummond we no longer need that. Kaman can still play and can help the team win this year an next. In two years when Drummond is twenty he takes over. BUT! If joe wants to save cap space till next year when the FA crop is much better, IM ALL FOR THAT! Can’t wait till the season an all these players we have now!

  • Jul 1, 20123:08 pm
    by frankie d

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    all good moves by joe d.
    at least it looks as though he is moving in some of the right directions.
    for the first time in years, their summer league roster makes sense.
    don’t know anything about ware, but from just reading analyses and checking out videos, he seems like he’s worth a look-see, at least.  seems like an earl boykins-type guard – more of a shooter than bynum – but the best thing i saw on the video was that he seemed to like the physical aspect of the game.  he used his body well, both defensively and offensively, which is great for a fast little guy.  you can tell he’s not intimidated by the big guys.  who knows how his body and skills will work on the nba level, but he’s worth a shot.  and i have to admit, i always love little guys like him.  in the right line-up – with a shotblocker in back of them – they can be very effective, both offensively and defensively.
    gates is also a great guy to take a look at.  if he can get in shape he will probably play in the league.  he’s strong, has a mean streak and is a good rebounder.  more than any of the guys who have entered the league in the last few years, he reminds me of ricky mahorn.  if gates gets a good chef and knocks off about 20 pounds or so, the pistons could have themselves a great pickup.
    armon johnson is the real prize here though.  the pistons dont have anyone like him on their roster, because he is a defensive-minded guard who can guard both spots.  
    he is a mini-rodney stucky, for better or worse.  he’s got a great body, one of the best pull-up jumpers in college or pro ball, and he’s very good defensively.  unfortunately and unlike stuckey, he is small for a combo guard and his outside shooting is very suspect.  stuckey gets away with an iffy jumper because of his superior size, but johnson is about brandon knight’s height, with another 15-20 pounds of muscle.
    johnson does not really think like a classic point guard, which is a problem as he is more of a scorer and a mediocre passer.  his offense is almost entirely centered around getting into the lane and shooting that pull-up jumper or getting to the rim, which is harder in the nba, than it was in college.  like i said, he’s stuckey-lite…the good, the bad and the ugly.
    the one thing he does that the pistons desperately need is provide aggressive, physical defense from the backcourt.  he’s a little bulldog, maybe the most physical defensive guard the team has had since lindsay hunter and mike james.  he is an excellent athlete and can guard point guards and some smaller SGs.
    he was here in portland for a couple of years.  his first year, he came out of summer league and training camp as the backup point guard primarily because of his defense.  he played very well initially but then, after teams got film on him via scouting, teams started pressuring him and he didn’t handle it well.  he had a couple of high turnover games and after midseason coach mcmillan – who is incredibly tough on young players – buried him on the bench and he never got out of his doghouse. 
    when they fired mcmillan, i thought he might get another shot, but they’d already waived him in a numbers game move and that was that in portland.
    again, he brings something the team does not have right now, a guy who can defend point guards – kim english may or may not be able to do that at the pro level, but johnson has shown that he can do it on the nba level – and that skill alone may earn him a spot in detroit.   he might come out of summer league as the one guy who sticks.  
    i’d love to see the team continue a youth movement and jettison a guy like bynum in favor or johnson.  save some money – if you can move bynum via the right trade – and bring in a guy who will provide good solid defense.

  • Jul 1, 20124:46 pm
    by Andrew

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    Start Drummond and let him just play defense, if Monroe could play that well against Centers, just wait to see what he can do playing against Power Forwards. Drummond has to focus on basically blocking shots, and playing defense. As far as his raw offensive skills, he never had a legit guard in UConn, and he sure as hell didn’t have a passing Power Forward like Monroe. One of his biggest strengths is he can post himself deep in the paint with his size, all he has to do is get downlow, get good position, and he will be found with ease by both Monroe, and Knight. Just go up and dunk. Shaq made a career out of just backing down players, and throwing it down hard. He doesn’t need a jumper. Just a steady go to post move, and dunking.

  • Jul 1, 20126:25 pm
    by Venice

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    @chuck. chill the f*ck out dude. did you forget that kaman was once an all star? we dont even know wallace wants to come back. im just stating other possibilities my friend. so chill the f*uck out ok ?

  • Jul 2, 201212:50 am
    by GB7891

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    Since when have the Pistons started a guy from day one under Joe Dumars? All of his coaches are of the same mindset as he is: let the kids ease into the game. Drummond may not snif a start until at least his second season depending on how he matures. Can’t believe anybody believes he would start from day one. I’m sure Kuester was chomping at the bit to get Monroe in his rookie year and couldn’t because of what the higher ups were saying. Knight was an exception, but if the situation calls for it then do what you got to do. Unless he is as good as Grant Hill was from day one then I doubt Drummond will get to take part in a tip off during a regular season game until his second year at the earliest.

  • Jul 2, 20122:22 am
    by Lake Side Live

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    I hope they pick Herb Pope for the summer league roster, guys got a great story http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1194182/index.htm

    and was really good at seton hall 15 pts 10 bounds 1.7 blocks and 1.1 steals per game.

  • Aug 2, 20128:08 pm
    by joyce trice

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    Please sign Yancy Gates to the  Pistons roster or nbld league. If he hasn’t developed this year he will be by next year and he is physical and youn and very athetic. Snatch him before somebody else makes a solid player out of him. He can fit our team needs. Listen Joe D and I hope you are reading these quotes and comments. Hey you gave Darko Milic a chance. Also keep Vernon Macklin on the nbadl if possible.

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