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Tyler Zeller to Pistons in Sports Illustrated mock draft

Sam Amick of Sports Illustrated:

The Pistons need a defensive-minded big man to pair with emerging center Greg Monroe, and the top prospect for that position is North Carolina forward John Henson. But he’s also very thin, with no guarantees that he’ll put on the kind of weight necessary to avoid being pushed around in the NBA. Zeller, meanwhile, is a safer bet whom most talent evaluators expect to be a solid player on both ends. He averaged 16.3 points, 9.3 rebounds and 1.5 blocks as a senior while earning the ACC Player of the Year award. Terrence Jones will also likely be considered, or Detroit could reach for 7-foot defensive specialist Fab Melo of Syracuse.

56 Comments

  • Jun 3, 20124:55 pm
    by Eric

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    Reach for Fab Melo?!? The last first round reach made by Dumars was Austin Daye

    • Jun 3, 20126:54 pm
      by Shane

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      We all know how that turned out

  • Jun 3, 20125:27 pm
    by Mark

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    Pistons need to forget about need. Thats how you end up with an average player. To me, the teams that draft for need are the playoff teams at the bottom of the 1st round, who lost in the playoffs because of one particular aspect, and then they address that in the draft. But mainly because the real talents of the draft are all gone, and the need/niche players are all thats left.
    But you can bet all those playoff teams look up at the teams in the top 10 and wish they could be adding one of those top 10 talents instead of being stuck drafting for need.

    Thats why a rebuilding team like the Pistons has no business drafting for need, and what they need to do is take advantage of being in the top 10, and just draft the 9th most talented player in the draft, regardless of position. Anything But Guard, should be their mantra. Whoever the most talented player on the board who isn’t a guard is, thats who they take.

    Its kind of silly to say the Pistons need a big man right now, because they aren’t going to be contending for years anyways. They have plenty of time to find that big man. There’s no reason to rush into it right now. What they need to is upgrade the talent base as much as possible.

    • Jun 3, 20126:00 pm
      by Marvin Jones

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      There are several “talented” bigs in this draft and we certainly should draft one of them. That “plenty of time to get one” crap is just that, crap. You get one now and he can grow with your core players.  You say anything but a guard, but what if a guard is the BPA like last year. No, this is the year you get your center of the future and in my opinion it should be Leonard, a 20 yr old with talent who can grow with Monroe and Knight and Stuckey. Actually my ideal draft would be Leonard at 9, Simms from Georgetown at 39 and maybe H Thomposon from Geeorgetown, a 6’8 SF at 44. That would be a starting five of Jerebko, Leonard and Monroe on the frontline with Stuckey and Knight at the guard spots. Then you can have Singler, Simms and Macklin as your backup 3,4,5 with the Pistons needing to come up with a young guard for your 3 guard rotation.   

      • Jun 3, 20127:04 pm
        by Mark

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        These bigs in the 9 range are all role players, and some will be lucky if they are even starters.

        I think fans are so desparate to upgrade that PF position, because of so many years of unsuccessful attempts in FA/trades, that they now think of this 9th pick as the only way of upgrading it, and willing to do so even if just a marginal upgrade. And I think thats BS.

        We are a lottery team. We’re not in win-now mode, and shouldn’t be forced into making any acquisitions. Knight and Monroe are 20-21 yrs old. Why do we NEED to find a longterm big man right now? It makes no sense why we are being forced into finding that big man right now.

        I think you can get bigs the caliber of these in the 9 range, in any year in FA for around the MLE. The Pistons may have trouble attracting stars in FA, but these kind of big men that ppl want us to draft are not stars, and the Pistons can certainly attract bigs of these caliber in FA down the road.

        But since we can’t attract stars in FA, we NEED to use our lottery picks to get them, and I think the closest thing to star potential in the draft at 9 is PJ3. Thats who we should take and play him at SF, where he has star potential, imo.

        A perimeter of Knight/Stuckey/PJ3 with Monroe scoring up front is a great core to build around. They are so young that we’ll have years of FA/trades ahead to find that big man to complete the starting 5. It took the ’04 team 4 yrs to find Ben’s frontcourt mate, and Ben was 25 when we got him. Monroe is only 21, yet ppl think we need to find his big man partner immediately. It makes no sense to rush into taking a less talented big man that we don’t need right away, and passing on a more talented SF.

        I would hate to come away from this draft knowing that a team picking behind us ended up getting a more talented player.

        • Jun 3, 20128:42 pm
          by D_S_V

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          Kudos Mark, you make plenty of excellent points in this post. I don’t think enough people realize that the Pistons are still far from contending in any sort of meaningful way. I think it’s feasible enough for them to make the playoffs in the next year or two but they wouldn’t have any realistic chance at contending even if they do. I agree, shoot for the star, hope it pans out, and if not we try again next year. While teams like Denver, Indiana (teams who have built through obtaining a quantity of good quality players but without “the guy”) have futures the Pistons can reasonably strive for, they are not and will not be close to realistically contending for a title given their current roster.

    • Jun 3, 20126:04 pm
      by sop

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      Amen Mark. Best Player Available. Henson is the opposite of BPA. Henson is all about Defense but won’t even be able to do that if he can’t hold position in the post. Some have him listed as a SF.
      I do think Zeller could get minutes right away though which is important. The player has to be able to get on the court right away and at Point I don’t think that’s possible. Luckily this is a weak PG draft anyways.
      Zeller would be more of an offense pick but not a bad pick.
      Best (reasonable) case scenario Mock 1.0
      1. NO: Davis
      2. CHA: MKG
      3. WAS: Beal
      4. CLE: Lamb
      5. SAC: T Rob
      6. POR: Lillard
      7. GS: Barnes
      8. TOR: Sullinger
      9. DET: Drummond

      • Jun 3, 201211:36 pm
        by TheDude

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        totally agree! I have to say Zeller won’t even be a starter on most teams. Don’t waste the pick, we need a starter and an NBA ready body!

      • Jun 4, 20127:38 pm
        by Shane

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        If we somehow manage to get Drummond.. I will praise the Draft Gods for saving us one more year

  • Jun 3, 20126:10 pm
    by sop

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    Most likely Mock 1.0
    1. NO: Davis
    2. CHA: MKG
    3. WAS: Beal
    4. CLE: Barnes
    5. SAC: T Rob
    6. POR: Drummond
    7. GS: Sullinger
    8. TOR: Lamb
    9. DET: PJIII, Zeller, Henson?????

  • Jun 3, 20126:48 pm
    by Lapin

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    5 bucks says Joe-D takes the stick-figure if he’s there at 9.

    • Jun 3, 20126:56 pm
      by Shane

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      LOL Agreed. I wish he would maybe get another pick somehow

  • Jun 3, 20127:17 pm
    by Venice

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    I think its ok to get Henson at 9. He could become a Serge Ibaka type and Ibaka is only 235 lbs. not far from 220 of Henson.

    • Jun 4, 201212:54 pm
      by Lapin

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      I don’t watch much college ball. If Henson’s game compares to Ibaka, I’m all for it. I dreamed about a Monroe/Ibaka pairing front court for awhile.
      Joe will pick him if he’s there, I just hope he can actually add some bulk.

  • Jun 3, 20128:13 pm
    by Giles mills

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    Dosent Henson look skinny fat, why does he look so skinny and top and belly heavy…. What’s up with that…..give me a chubby sully

  • Jun 3, 20128:31 pm
    by Andy

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    Jones is the best available!

  • Jun 3, 20128:54 pm
    by Haan

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    Henson’s about the same size as Davis, listed around the same weight and wing span, maybe Henson’s got an inch in length on him.  He’s more than 2 years older though, which accounts for some of the difference in evaluation.  As I begin to look 220 in the eye at a hair over 6 feet, I think it’s nearly impossible for a motivated 6’11” NBA player to stay as low as 220 for long.  

    As to BPA and need, I think Dumars is saying the right thing about the second round as it progresses: you need to find the BPA because the odds aren’t favorable for 2nd rounders having a solid NBA career.
    I’d add the caution that towards the top of the round the odds might be okay, making it reasonable to consider need along with potential.

    Concerning #9, Mark makes good points about our situation, but he’s not even exactly advocating BPA, given the guard caveat.  The particulars matter.  A team with our record and approximate slot should be flexible from draft to draft, depending on those particulars (eg. 2011: big (perceived) drop off from Knight to the next guy). What Langlois suggests is that there are 7 frontcourt guys between whom it’s tough to choose (now!).   If that’s so, you do start thinking about need, for instance, about compatibility with Monroe.  I like the idea of taking a chance on PJ3, but would be happy with Henson.  And Zeller sounds like quite a decent #9 pick, not a slug.     

    Mark, I’m afraid part of the sense of urgency comes from Gores’ rosy prediction for next year, with the corresponding pressure on Dumars.  I could see Joe going for Zeller just because he seems most ready to contribute next year.  Making decisions on that basis would be unfortunate.

  • Jun 3, 20129:29 pm
    by d_ronii

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    What has PJ3 done against real competition? He aint good

    • Jun 4, 20125:40 pm
      by sop

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      His 17 and 8 game against Kentucky in the tourney was a decent game and he had 18 and 7 against Kansas in the Big 12 tourney. But his best game was against a fairly big KSU team at the end of the season, where he had 31 and 11 with 2 blocks and 2 3s.
       
      My main issue with PJIII is that he doesn’t always seem to get what’s going on in the game either on offense or defense when the ball isn’t in his hands. He’s not lazy if you watch him or listen to him in an interview, but sometimes you just wonder how much is going on upstairs. It may also be that his lack of brains is why he has the idiotic complex about being 3 and not a 4.

  • Jun 3, 20129:40 pm
    by Haan

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    Read a lengthy piece about PJ3 recently (at SI?) conveying a dual message: (1) he’s manipulating the way he’s being viewed, having fallen short on the court and (2) he’s undergoing rigorous training and might well be elevating his game beyond what’s been seen.  Which is more true?  I lean towards the optimistic take.

    • Jun 3, 201210:18 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      The negativity around PJIII’s and (to a lesser extent) Harrison Barnes’ underwhelming college careers reminds me quite a bit of what was said/written about Greg Monroe before he was drafted.

      Those guys are slightly bigger names, but I believe Monroe was the No. 1 rated HS prospect coming out of high school, then went to Georgetown and didn’t dominate, just showed occasional flashes. Monroe was pretty frequently criticized for the same ‘lack of motor/passion’ things that you hear about Barnes/PJIII. Then, he got to the NBA and as we’ve seen, those complaints were unfounded.

      I think part of the issue for these guys, when they are the top HS recruits who were good enough to be lottery picks out of high school, is they may not be interested in getting much out of college basketball or are just biding their time to the NBA. I certainly have more questions about PJIII than Barnes as a NBA player (mainly b/c PJIII is mostly a four in college who will probably have to convert to a three in the NBA), but Monroe taught me to take those ‘motor/passion’ whispers in regard to lottery prospects with a grain of salt. If the skills are there and the player isn’t a completely uncoachable head case (and there are no indications that Jones is a bad teammate or anything like that), I think it will work itself out.

      • Jun 4, 201212:18 am
        by Bygdygod

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        I think Monroe is out of the norm in this aspect. As many players with this question (motor/passion) do not pan out. Stay far away from PJ3!

      • Jun 4, 201212:21 am
        by Bygdygod

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        Also there was great article on nba espn draft blog a month ago on PJ3. Basically it was a person who has watched Jones for years an stated “he is what he is”. Meaning if your hoping for more, you will be dissapointed.

      • Jun 4, 20123:55 pm
        by Coach_Ackley

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        I agree with Patrick 110% on Barnes/PJ3 on being  criticized like Monroe was…. If PJ3 is indeed biding his time like Patrick has said look out.. I think PJ3 has KG like skills and I’m hopeful that he will indeed showcase those skills once he enters the NBA…..

      • Jun 4, 20129:01 pm
        by sop

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        FYI Monroe was ranked #20 in ESPN’s top 100 HS players in 2008. PJIII was ranked 7th in 2010.

        • Jun 4, 201210:30 pm
          by Coach_Ackley

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          sop it don’t mean anything thing being ranked 7th or 20th.. The fact is that they both had the same knock on them and Monroe proved everyone wrong and I truly believe PJ3 will do the same and the same knock could be put on Austin Rivers but I believe Austin Rivers will be a damn good player in the NBA one day…..

          • Jun 5, 20127:16 am
            by sop

            only reason I pointed that out was because Patrick had said Monroe was ranked #1.

  • Jun 3, 201210:11 pm
    by domnick

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    monroe -7
    knight – 8
    ???? – 9

    what a coincidence…

    I’m going to get the best player available and someone who can fill up our needs.

    thats why there’s a top tier players… tier 2 players and so on….

    i’m not sold to John Henson… no offense but i don’t like his thin frame.. 220 lbs only? yikes.. no way!

    If we can get someone like Harrison Barnes then lets go….
    If not, Tyler Zeller is a safe pick….. i like his game… and he can really help our team..
    another options to me…. Sullinger and PJIII.. but lets see if they all impress us on Draft Workouts…

  • Jun 3, 201211:34 pm
    by TheDude

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    I really hope we somehow get drummond. And to address the people who said “never draft for need” and always take the best player?
    It’s gotta be a big, any type of guard and I’ll be pissed.

  • Jun 4, 201212:47 am
    by Roit

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    I agree with sop

  • Jun 4, 20123:34 am
    by Truett

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    The problem with this years draft is that there are so many projects and nba teams are not very good at player development. A lot of pundits have the pistons taking henson or zeller b/c there is a log jam in the back court with the contracts of Gordon and prince and jerebko and no depth at center or pf. The reasoning is that the pistons are bad on d and these players are upperclassmen. So they will be more nba ready.

    Here are the facts, the curve for big men is a lot more steep than it is for guards. Most big men take at least a year to develop. It is doubtful that Anthony Davis will score more than he did in college next year. Henson and zeller with both have to climb that curve as will pjIII. I think Henson and pjIII might even take two years to really come around (like Howard or Aldridge). So, if you are drafting a big man you are saying that you are not expecting much from next year (maybe 8 seed if Monroe and knight take steps forward and everyone is healthy) and that’s fine. Okc had more and higher lottery picks and they did not make the playoffs in their first 2 years rebuilding either.

    Finally the point. Detroit is also bad on offense. PjIII compliments monroe and knight and the rest of the team with his skill set and athleticism and he has a lot of potential. Henson, on the other hand has no offense and has the potential to develop into a defensive stopper if he can succeed at doing something which he failed to do in college (gain weight). The bottom line is you do not draft defensive stoppers with no offense in the lottery, you draft offense and potential. PJIII has that Henson and Zeller don’t.. If you want a defensive role player, you look in the later rounds or you use the mid-level

  • Jun 4, 20123:41 am
    by Truett

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    Oh, and Drummond is going to go second… He has too much potential and charolette needs so much that some gm is going to trade up for him..

  • Jun 4, 20124:30 am
    by Venice

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    i think detroit should draft PJIII .he can play at 3 .and sign Kaman.  That way Monroe can play at his natural 4 position.

    • Jun 4, 20125:19 pm
      by sop

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      can’t sign Kaman unless he’s willing to take MLE, which he probably isn’t if he doesn’t get to play for a contender.

  • Jun 4, 20126:27 am
    by oats

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    I think the differences between Monroe and PJ3 are quite larger than just their perceived attitude. Monroe made significant strides from year one to year two, something Jones can’t claim. PJ3′s numbers are pretty much identical in both years. Monroe was also better than Jones in every statistical category there is. Most importantly, Monroe had elite level NBA skills. He averaged 9.6 rebounds per game, and 7.5 defensive rebounds per game. He was an excellent defensive rebounder, and it was possible that his relatively poor offensive rebounding numbers were hampered by his role in the offense. It was likely Monroe would be good on the boards at the next level. Monroe was also a fantastic passer, averaging 3.8 assists per game, and it seemed likely he would go on to be one of the better passing big men in the league. He had things you could point to and say they were what he would excel at on the next level.
     
    Perry Jones differs because I have no idea what he is supposed to do at the next level. There’s talk that he is a small forward in the NBA, which I guess makes sense because he isn’t that good at being a big man. He’s as skinny as Henson, but unlike Henson he doesn’t seem willing to bang down low. He definitely doesn’t rebound like an NBA PF. I guess he’d have been a really good rebounder if he had those 7.6 rebounds per game as a small forward. That said, he’d be guarding guys farther from the basket than he did in college, so I wouldn’t be surprised if those rebounding numbers dropped to just average at the next level if he makes the move to the 3. He’s also a pretty terrible outside shooter, making 30% of his 3s. Admittedly he didn’t take that many, so it is a little tough to gauge how well he actually shoots. Unfortunately, not taking that many would usually help shooting percentages as it means he doesn’t feel the need to force them when the shot isn’t really there. He’s a solid athlete, but he won’ be anything special athletically as an NBA small forward. I guess he’s tall for his position, but that really isn’t reason to think he’ll be all that good at it. Unlike Bradley Beal, Jones didn’t show that range in high school (which is why Beal is talked about as a shooter while only making 34% of his 3s). I see an awful lot of red flags on PJ3, although I admit he has shown flashes of why people were excited about him coming out of college.
     
    Perry Jones III scares me as a prospect. He’s one of those guys that does a lot of things pretty well. If you just look at what he can do you will notice that he’s athletic, he’s got decent size, he rebounds, and he has a jump shot that stretches out to about 18 feet. If you look for what he will be good at in the NBA, and all of sudden none of those things stand out anymore. The league is filled with guys that can sort of do a ton of things. Take Brandon Bass, who is admittedly a different sort of player than Jones. Bass has a jump shot, is strong and quick, a good leaper, he can rebound, and he can defend both the 3 and 4. The thing is, he does all of those things at a level that makes him a pretty average NBA player. He’s just not that good at any of them. When I look at Jones, I see no reason to think he isn’t like that. A guy with a bunch of different tools, but none of them good enough to stop him from being more than an average NBA player. I do think he’s a better player than Bass as I think Jones is a starter. I just don’t think he’s going to be a good starter. Add in his tendency to disappear in games, and I just don’t get what makes PJ3 a top 10 player in this draft.
     
    I’d also add that if Jones isn’t motivated enough to play well in the year he is trying to prove his value in order to get paid, then why would he be motivated once he turns pro? I mean, he was a likely top 5 pick in last year’s weak draft and he decided to stay in school. Normally I’d think he planned to work on his game and try to get better in order to improve his draft stock. That didn’t happen. He also might have realized Baylor was a pretty good team and could compete for a tourney run. I’m okay with that thinking. The problem is, why stay in college to win if you aren’t going to work harder to actually win? I just don’t buy that he wasn’t motivated, his upcoming pay day to make up for delaying it a year should have left him with plenty of motivation. I just have too many question marks on Jones, and I just don’t think he is worth the risk since I don’t know why he is supposed to be all that good.
     
    People rip Henson because he is skinny, and question if he can defend big men at the next level. I don’t know that he can, although I’d like to point out he’s basically the same size and age as Marcus Camby when Camby entered the league. Henson is 6’11″ 220 lbs, and will turn 22 as a rookie. Camby was the same but his birthday was March of his rookie year while Henson’s is a few months earlier in December. Camby went on to very effectively guard centers, and people question if Henson can guard power forwards in an age with smaller big men than when Camby entered the league. Back on point, what Henson will be able to do in the NBA is block shots. Just blocking shots doesn’t make you a good defender, but it’s an NBA skill and one the Pistons lack. I have a hard time thinking Henson won’t be good on the boards considering just how great he was at that in college despite playing next to another really good rebounder in Zeller. I’d much rather bet on Henson adding the strength to defend his position than on Jones adding a high end NBA skill that he doesn’t already have.
     
    If I was to gamble on a guy with an interesting skill set that hasn’t put it together, I’d rather have Meyers Leonard than Jones. Like Jones, I wonder if he will be able to contribute much on the glass at the next level, but I have a little more faith in Leonard than I do in Jones. While per 40 numbers in the 8 minutes a game he played as a freshman are dubious at best, he did pull down 4 more rebounds per 40 minutes as a sophomore than as a freshman. It’s possible that is a sign of improvement at least. Leonard is also much bigger than Jones, being an inch taller and at least 20 pounds heavier, and his frame suggests he can continue adding weight. Leonard also happens to be a solid shot blocker with 1.9 per game. Blocking shots is in part a timing skill, which when combined with his size and reasonable athletic ability for a 7 footer should equate to a decent rebounder if he is willing to really work on it. Leonard is also a good free throw shooter, which suggests that a jump shot should be coming soon. Leonard is a little more raw than PJ3, and I see him as a huge gamble. He does have blocking shots as a real NBA skill, which is one more than I know Jones has. Leonard is also a better fit for what the team needs, he just makes more sense as a gamble to me.
     
    I come off like I hate PJ3, and I should say I don’t really mean to. He’s flashed enough to show why people were excited about him coming out of high school. I actually kind of like the idea of him being drafted at 10 by New Orleans as a roll the dice pick for a team that already has Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis. If I was them I’d take Lillard or Kendall Marshall if Lillard is gone, but I get why they would prefer Jones to Marshall. Perry Jones definitely belongs in the lottery, I just don’t particularly want him in Detroit.

    • Jun 4, 201211:46 am
      by RussellC

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      That was a mouth full. I guess you are saying that you like Leonard better than Jones. All I know is the people who allegedly know about basketball say that Jones has superstar potential while they say that with some work Leonard can be serviceable as a pro. I watched Jones finally play angry in the second half against Kentucky and he was dominant.  His team had already been blown out but still if he can keep that attitude he can be a beast.

      • Jun 5, 20122:15 pm
        by oats

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        I’m saying much more than that. I’m saying I don’t get why Perry Jones is supposed to be that good. I hate to use this point, but guys in the know are wrong all the time. If we just agree with draft day consensus then Darko is awesome, James Harden was drafted too high, and Ben Wallace isn’t an NBA player. A couple good games don’t really tell us much about Perry Jones. Johnny Flynn scored 50 points in the NBA, and he isn’t anyone I’d want on my team either.
         
        What it all comes down to is this, he has a ton of warning signs. He disappears frequently, his numbers are kind of blah, he’s a bit of a tweener, and he does many things okay but not anything really well. To me that is the resume of a guy who will never be a star player. I’d bet against Leonard being more than a serviceable pro, but I’d make the same bet with PJ3 (not with actual money, I’m not really a gambler). I get that PJ3′s supposed ceiling is higher, but I really think the odds of him hitting it are much lower than Leonard’s odds of hitting his ceiling. Leonard’s ceiling is a pretty good starter, and I like his odds of getting to that point almost as much as I like Jones’ odds of being a good starter. Since Leonard’s skills are harder to find than the skills possessed by PJ3, it makes more sense to me to bet on Leonard. What’s more, I get what Leonard brings to the table. I don’t understand what Jones is giving me. How do you build a team around a guy without even knowing what you think he will be giving you? I don’t get it. I see vague talk of Jones’ talent, or his athleticism, or comparisons to guys who are different than him because they can actually shoot a bit. Draft Express says his best case is Rudy Gay meets Josh Smith. What the hell is that supposed to tell me? Josh Smith is an athletic PF who scores effectively, rebounds, and blocks shots. Jones is athletic. Rudy Gay is an athletic wing player with a decent jump shot and the ability to score in bunches. Perry Jones is athletic. Gay is a SF, and Smith is a PF. I don’t know what Jones is. I struggle to conceptualize what a Gay/Smith combo is, and I can’t understand what that guy does for any team. It also says his worst case is Yi Jianlian. I think he’s probably going to end up much closer to Yi than Gay/Smith. I doubt Jones will ever be a top 20 player in his position, none the less anywhere close to a star player.
         
        I should probably mention I much prefer Henson to either Leonard or Gay. I kind of get why the team would take Henson at 9. When it comes to PJ3 or Leonard, I’d much rather trade down and pick up something else for the trouble. I don’t have significantly different grades on Leonard or PJ3 than I do on guys like Fab Melo, Royce White, Andrew Nicholson, or Arnett Moultrie. Leonard and Jones don’t represent good value to me when I can get the same caliber of player much later while adding something else. I pointed out Leonard more to make the case about how little I care for Jones. I don’t understand why Jones is supposed to be good, I’ve yet to hear one convincing argument that doesn’t involve high school, flashes, potential, or a couple pretty good games. Kwame Brown had all of those things. Do you remember when Brown put up a 30 and 19 against Sacramento? That was his second year in the league. I just don’t get why Jones is so special, I don’t see it.

        • Jun 5, 20125:40 pm
          by RussellC

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          Best case scenario with the combo of above average to elite defender like Smith and above average scorer like Gay is a poor man’s Garnett who can guard all three frontcourt positions at times while playing all three on offense at times. One of the things they talk about with Jones is his hands, his first step and handle, and his length on defense which can be bothersome to the other team since he can move out on the perimeter. IF he can develop even half of the intensity of Garnett which I am not sure of he can be a star. Otherwise he is a complementary player who would be happy to be second or third option, and be an above average defender. We had a guy like that in Rasheed. Not comparing the two skill sets, just the basketball demeanor.

  • Jun 4, 20126:31 am
    by Marcus

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    I’m surprised that no one is mentioning Arnett Moultrie as a posibility for the Pistons at 9. I know he’d be a bit of a reach, but no more so than Myers Leonard, who’s been mentioned by a few.

    (I personally love the idea of drafting Leonard and letting him learn behind Chris Kaman for 3-4 years).  

    Moutrie would seem to be a great compliment to Monroe. He’s a great rebounder, finisher, mid-range shooter… who has the all the athleticism to be a solid pick-n-roll and weakside defender. He may not have the proper instincts for that yet, but at 9 what prospect won’t be a work in progress…. I’m also not sure why everone is so convinced that Monroe would be better suited as a 4. To me he’s equally proficient at both positions, and would still struggle defending the elite at either.

    I agree that Pistons greatest need is talent… and taking the best player available (highest ceiling) seems to make the most sense. To me it just seems like Moultrie might fit that criteria.

    • Jun 4, 20127:42 pm
      by Shane

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      I really don’t like Moultrie.. I hope they don’t draft him.. I’d rather have Sullinger or Jones

  • Jun 4, 20127:42 am
    by Venice

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    Zeller would be the safest bet but the lowest ceiling among them. I hope joe pick Henson because he would be the perfect Addition for the team. Detroit desperately need some defense and I think Henson can add 15-20 lbs.

  • Jun 4, 201210:09 am
    by Rodman4Life

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    Have most of you watched much of Henson?  His size would limit his strength versus HIS man, but as an off-the-ball weakside defender, his reach, coverage, and shot-blocking are game-changing.  I would rather run a double down to his man on a post up so that he could be on the floor to protect the rim from the other 4 opponents out there.  I’ve felt all along that he is a better shot blocker than anyone in this draft and possibly one of the best for a while going back.  Plus, he’s an awfully good rebounder for such a thin specimen.  Henson!!

  • Jun 4, 201210:35 am
    by Gurman

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    If we can get one of Houston’s picks, but still keep our #9 pick we can get Henson at 9 and then at 16 we could get Moultrie or Leonard. That would be pretty sick. Bynum, Gordon, CV, Daye are all trade bait.

    • Jun 9, 201210:01 am
      by Tyrone

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      Grodon and Daye for one of Houston’s 1st round pick would be a GREAT move for DETROIT BASKETBALL!!!

  • Jun 4, 201211:06 am
    by RussellC

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    An idea to float out there is trading this pick to Boston along with Knight and Tayshaun for Rondo along 21 and 22. You would be able to draft Melo and either Harkless, maybe Royce White, or Nicholson. The only thing is Jerebko, Daye, and Macklin would need to step up.

    • Jun 4, 201212:07 pm
      by Desolation Row

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      Duuuuude I wish but Boston can get way more for Rondo than Knight and Tayshaun’s horrible contract. Rondo’s a top 10 caliber player, no way we can land him with Knight + 9th overall pick + Tayshaun.

      I say we just use the trade to get rid of either CV or BG’s contract, amnesty the other guy, and build through FA. If we’re not gonna tank to get talent and we’re only looking to draft by positional need instead of taking the best available guy with the most upside potential, then let’s just use the pick to eliminate the waste.

      • Jun 4, 201212:46 pm
        by RussellC

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        We would still need to take back someone’s garbage and Boston doesn’t have many with contracts for next year do they? Sweeten the original deal with Jerebko and next year’s Number 1 then.

    • Jun 4, 201212:16 pm
      by Desolation Row

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      Duuuuude I wish but Boston can get way more for Rondo than Knight and Tayshaun’s horrible contract. Rondo’s a top 10 caliber player, no way we can land him with Knight + 9th overall pick + Tayshaun.

      I say we just use the pick to get rid of either CV or BG’s contract, amnesty the other guy, and build through FA. If we’re not gonna tank to get talent and we’re only looking to draft by positional need instead of taking the best available guy with the most upside potential, then let’s just use the pick to eliminate the waste.

  • Jun 4, 20122:12 pm
    by Anthony

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    If there’s one thing Joe’s good at, its finding talent… The thing that scares me the most is his ability to negotiate contracts. I just hope he doesn’t over pay Max and works out something to get either Gordon or CV out of here.

  • Jun 5, 201210:11 pm
    by LetCharlieGo

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    Fab Melo would be huge on defense, he is only projected late first round because he hated class and did not play in March. Raw talent, freak wingspan, and huge upside.

  • Jun 6, 20125:44 pm
    by Tyrone

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    I hope that we drafe Zeller @ 9…  IMO, Zeller and Monroe will be a good balanced front court.  I think that both players can play C & PF.  Monroe has a hard time playing athlitice bigs at C and PF.  This IMO is where Zeller will fit in good with our team.  Also Zeller runs the floor well so when Stuckey, and Knight are pushing the ball up court Zeller and Jebko are good options to run the floor with them.  I dont think that Zeller will turn into an all star but I do feel that he is the right fit for our team and a proven product.

  • Jun 6, 20128:43 pm
    by Coach_Ackley

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    I can see Zeller turning into a Chris Kaman type of player and that really ain’t all that bad……

  • Jun 8, 201210:35 am
    by MarkS

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    I think the Pistons would be better off taking a guy with huge upside rather than a safer pick like Zeller.  Teams picking in the late lottery usually hope to find a player who will at least be a solid rotation player, but since this is likely the last year we will see the Pistons in the lottery they should go for the home run.
    After a terrible 4-20 start, the Pistons played .500 basketball the rest of the way.  Even if you take this years lotto pick out of the picture, this team stands to improve as their core is young.  People disagree on what exactly Brandon Knight’s ceiling will be, but with his intangibles and work ethic, I have no doubt he will max out his potential, whatever it is.
    My point is I believe the Pistons are a team who can afford to take a chance on a younger/riskier player with more upside.  A guy like Leonard would likely play 10 mpg off the bench his first year but could allow the Pistons to slide Monroe over to his natural 4 position down the line.  Perry Jones is another guy they should take a long look at, despite the motor concerns (Patrick Hayes comments on PJ3 were spot-on).  His talent is unquestionable and he could be well worth the risk.
    I would rather not see this team become the next Milwaukee Bucks.  Making the playoffs as the 7 or 8 seed every year and losing in the first round of the playoffs does not appeal to me.  To avoid being stuck in mediocrity, Dumars should look to draft upside in a few weeks.
     

    • Jun 8, 201210:36 pm
      by Tyrone

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      Mark, I understand your point but IMO the Team needs someone to play next to Greg in the front court and not a project at the 1, 2 or 3 spot.  We need size up front in a bad way.  Max is in the last year of his deal and could opt out if he chooses.  He had a good year this year but Max is not the feature for the Pistons.  PJ3 is a interesting pick but with the log jam on the roster at the small forward now he is not the right pick IMO.  With Zeller and Monroe on the floor they can play who ever they match up against best.  This will also allow Jonas to move back to the 3 spot.  I could see the Pistons playing an up tempo style with Knight, Stuckey, Jonas, Monroe, and Zeller.

      I’m just saying the proven “safe” pick just may be what this team needs to take the next step in this rebuilding process.

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