Pistons probably can’t trade No. 9 pick to Rockets for No. 14 and No. 16
The Rockets continue to be as active as any team in the league. They would, ideally, really like to move up into the top 5. However, it looks like they’ve already turned down at least one offer to package pick Nos. 14 and 16 to get into the top 10.
Given Joe Dumars’ history, he might be leery of having too many rookies on the team at once – a concern I wouldn’t share – but that aside, trading No. 9 for the Rockets’ two first-round picks makes a lot of sense for Detroit if Andre Drummond doesn’t fall to No. 9. There are several big men of similar value who should be available at No. 9, and there’s a sold chance two of them would be available at 14 and 16.
But the Rockets know this, too. Why would they trade up to get a player at No. 9 who’s similar to the players who will probably be available at No. 14?
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Jun 22, 2012 • 3:51 pm
by oracle
What if a player like Drummond or Barnes does fall to 9 unexpectedly, like Knight or Monroe? Houston might be willing to move up on draft day in that scenario.
Jun 22, 2012 • 5:10 pm
by rick
I hear that Houston is willing to trade Dalembert and number #16 . Is Dalambert good enough for what Frank wants, and would he be a good match at this point in his career with Monroe? I would rather have him than Kaman if for defensive purposes only. What would still be available at #16? and would it fit into Detroit’s plans? I say if we could still get a Moutrie or even Henson at say #16 or even Kendall Marshall, then why not? If anything we have chips going into the next years free agency period as well as cap space. As far as I know Charlie V, B.G., and Dalambert all would be off the books by the end of next summer. What does anyone else think about that?
Jun 22, 2012 • 8:46 pm
by tim
dalembert is a dummy who gets lost on defense all the time. sure, he makes some great plays, but mostly because hes recovering from being in the wrong spot. lived in houston this last year and watched him all season. dude is not the answer.
Jun 22, 2012 • 5:12 pm
by Haan
Houston’s general unwillingness and Oracle’s qualifer make sense. I wonder what it would take to trade up to #7 if Drummond were available there in GS’s slot? Neither Prince nor rights to Singler would seem to be enough of a sweetener, but Jerebko would likely be too much from the Pistons’ perspective. Of course, a lot would depend on who you took back.
Jun 22, 2012 • 7:40 pm
by tarsier
I would happily give up Henson/Leonard/Zeller/Moultrie/Jones+Jerebko for Drummond.
Jun 22, 2012 • 8:02 pm
by Marvin Jones
I would not give up any assets for Drummond when I could get Leonard without giving up anything. Leonard has just as much “upside” as Drummond, 7’1, 245 lb guys with above average athleticism don’t grow on trees. He’s a less risky pick than Drummond and the reward could be just as high. Take Leonard and count your blessings.
Jun 22, 2012 • 8:15 pm
by tarsier
That’s fine. I would argue that prior to college Drummond showed he had significantly more potential than Leonard. But we can have divergent opinions. The point is that Jerebko is a pretty minor asset. He’s a nice guy to have on the team, but hustle guys are who you fill out the team with. If you can trade them to improve your core before you reach years of contention, you do it every time.
Jun 22, 2012 • 8:18 pm
by Desolation Row
I was just talking to my buddy earlier today who is a die-hard Warriors fan (yeah, totally reliable source but it’s the best I have) and asked him if he would be down with this scenario:
- Tayshaun and the #9 pick
for
- Biedrins and the #7 pick
He said he’d be happy with that trade. To go more conservatively, let’s say we toss in Will Bynum or Austin Daye as well. Who really says no? I get the sense that GS doesn’t feel they really need a “big” like Drummond the way the Pistons do. And, for irony’s sake, it puts Detroit in the position of potentially being the team that passes on a stud that the Warriors take.
Plus, Biedrins gets a change of scenery while Tayshaun moves to San Francisco to join 2 stars in Curry and Bogut with his retirement contract instead of living in the winter wonderland of Detroit. Everybody wins.
Jun 22, 2012 • 7:43 pm
by Corey
Dalembert is not worth moving down in the draft for. We need good young players to build with, not a creaky veteran to give us a boost toward the 8th seed.
Jun 22, 2012 • 8:22 pm
by Desolation Row
I agree with your premise, but if you could land the same player either way, why not take Dalembert too? Dumars has already made it clear we’re not tanking (this would have been the year to do it) and a low non-lottery pick is just the same as a high lottery pick, plus you put yourself in a position like Philly where you could potentially do damage with the right luck.
Jun 23, 2012 • 1:33 am
by rick
The part you probably forgot was his contract expires after the season and we would get that cap space. I did not say I would sign him in hopes of saving the team. I said would anyone do it if we could get the same player at #9 at #16 and if so would you take Dalembert and his expiring contract. Not would I grab him and think of him as some sort of savior. That was my whole argument about trading for him. Not to help per se but to give us extra space going into the next offseason.
Jun 22, 2012 • 11:10 pm
by Haan
If I were confident about Drummond’s future, I’d be willing to give up Jerebko to move up two spots. A few caveats though. If teams felt secure about Drummond’s prospects, we wouldn’t be debating this possible trade and Portland would gladly grab him. Because of the uncertainty, just waiting for Leonard without giving up assets might be the way to go,as MJ argued . I see the point Tarsier makes about the dispensibility of hustle players, but at the same time Dumars’ gotten himself in trouble by too casually giving up skilled hustle players, most notably Afflalo. Also, if GS feels reasonably confident in Drummond, they might not think Jerebko enough, looking for more in trade or being happy to pick him themselves. When you consider what the Pistons would take back, it sounds convincing that they’re eager to dump Biedrins. In that event, I’d revert to the original speculation that Jerebko might be too much to give up. A trade involving Prince sounds good, even too good to actually happen.
Jun 23, 2012 • 5:43 am
by DG
I think Leonard is the way the Pistons need to go. I’m getting more worried with teams willing to trade out of the top ten that some team might try and move to #7 or #8 to get him ahead of the Pistons. But then Henson with his 9’3″ reach is not a bad consolation prize. His potential meshes with the Pistons needs outside of the “needs more strength” issue. But Leonard has that issue too. I don’t think the Pistons need a potential star enough to try and move up for Drummond, or even draft him if he falls. Too much bust potential.
I’d be curious what Portland would want for the 6 and 11 picks. I don’t think the Pistons have the trade chips to make that happen though. Even then, I might give serious consideration to Leonard and Henson rather than Drummond. By the time Drummond developed he might be signing elsewhere. I think that Monroe, Leonard and Henson could make a nice three man big rotation with a lot of different looks that present different problems for teams to match up with.
I do wonder how high Detroit could move up if they traded both of their second round picks though. I’d have my eyes on a backup center like O’Quinn or Ezeli. It doesn’t sound like they want three rookies in a ddition to Singler anyways.
Jun 23, 2012 • 8:31 am
by Haan
I think Portland would want a ton for those two picks, because they can reasonably feel they hold the key to the future. Something like 6, 11, & x for 9 and Knight might be what they’d expect.
Jun 23, 2012 • 8:56 am
by ryan
Who are you all liking in the second round? I’m most interested in Festus Ezeli and Doron Lamb if they’re there. I didn’t figure either of the would be but I’ve seen plenty of mock drafts where they fall that far so maybe they will be there. That would be a pretty sweet haul for the second round since both guys could be rotation players.