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John Henson stands out in today’s big workout with Pistons

Chad Ford of ESPN:

Sounds like Henson was the big standout in the Detroit workout. Mock Draft 9.1 coming in 3, 2, 1 …

Sounds like Ford will have the Pistons selecting John Henson, unlike this morning, when Ford had Meyers Leonard to Detroit in his mock draft.

More importantly, I think means Henson has become the clear favorite to become the Pistons’ pick Thursday.

30 Comments

  • Jun 25, 20126:24 pm
    by Mark

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    eh, not buying it. I don’t think they would make their decision off of 1 workout anyways. How will Henson do in real games for 36 min against NBA caliber bigs? That’s what they will base their decision on him on, imo.

  • Jun 25, 20126:31 pm
    by Gurman

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    Meyers Leonard is more athletic, taller, and younger.

    • Jun 26, 201212:48 pm
      by Don Brake

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      and maybe more upside as well. I think I’d rather go with him.

  • Jun 25, 20126:44 pm
    by Gurman

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    But then again Henson is 2 time ACC defensive player of the year…. i just hope Joey makes the right move

    • Jun 25, 20127:20 pm
      by Mark

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      DPY in college means nothing. Jarvis Varnado also won DPY in the SEC a bunch of times, IIRC, and also is the all-time NCAA leading shot-blocker. But he’s not even in the league today because he’s got the body of a SF, with no offensive game, just like Henson.

      • Jun 25, 20128:23 pm
        by frankie d

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        varnado is a good comparison.
        i actually liked him coming out of college.  but as a late first, early second round pick, not a lottery pick.
        henson is very, very similar to varnado, and he’ll have the same problems that varnado had.  and the same problem that any guy built like henson will have.
        just like with varnado, imho, henson is a solid late first/early second round pick, but he is a real reach as the number 9 pick in the draft.  
        i’d rather take a shot at a guy like royce white, a high risk/high reward player. 
        if joe picks him, i just hope i’m wrong about him.

  • Jun 25, 20127:23 pm
    by DG

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    Henson’s athletic numbers were low at the combine because of an injury.  He’s much more athletic than those numbers show.  He does have a 9’3″ reach.  Combine that with decent athleticism and you get an interesting prospect.  If he can add 15-20 pounds he could be a decent PF.  He’s probably more ready to play in the league right now than is Leonard.  Leonard was also reportedly beaten head-to-head in a workout earlier by Zeller. 

    The question becomes do you take somebody to perform next year or a couple of years down the road.  I think the Pistons are feeling the pressure to make the playoffs next year.  Hopefully somebody decent at center (Ezeli, O’Quinn) is available in the second round.  Even if they go with Henson, I still think they need some depth at center.  Especially with Wallace likely gone. 

    Outside of Milicic, Joe’s draft history is pretty solid.  I’ll give him the benefit of a doubt on this one.  I will be anxious for Arnie Kander to do his magic with Henson though.  By all accounts he’s a hard worker.  I he can just convert some of that 9% body fat into muscle, he’ll be fine.

    A solid, but less than exciting pick.  Sounds like I just described all of this years draftees outside of Davis.

    • Jun 25, 20129:05 pm
      by gmehl

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      His draft history is solid in the second round but i am not so sure about his draft history with his first round choices. Here is a list:
       
      2000: Mateen Cleaves (14), Brian Cardinal (44)
      2001: Rodney White (9), Mehmet Okur (37)
      2002: Tayshaun Prince (23)
      2003: Darko Milicic (2), Carlos Delfino (25), Andreas Gliniadakis (58)
      2004: Rickey Paulding (54)
      2005: Jason Maxiell (26), Amir Johnson (56), Alex Acker(60)
      2006: Will Blalock (60)
      2007: Rodney Stuckey (15), Arron Affalo (27), Sammy Mejia (57)
      2008: D.J. White (29), Deron Washington (59)
      2009: Austin Daye (15), DaJuan Summers (35), Jonas Jerebko (39), Chase Budinger (44)
      2010: Greg Monroe (7), Terrico White (36)
      2011: Brandon Knight (8), Kyle Singler (33), Veron Maklin (52)
       
      That is 27 draft picks in total and i would say he has hit more with his 2nd rounders than his 1st rounders.
       

      • Jun 25, 201210:36 pm
        by DG

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        What are you using as your standard for measuring success of a draft pick?  Personally I think if a player out performs the standard player drafted at his position in the draft then it is a successful pick. By your list above:

        picks 1-10 (4 total): 2 hits (Monroe, Knight); 2 flops (Milicic, White): 50% success
        picks 11-20 (3): 1 hit (Stuckey); 2 flops (Daye, Cleaves): 33% success
        picks 21-30 (5): 4 hits (Afflalo, Maxiell, Prince, Delfino): I challenge you to find 20 players drafted any of those years better than those players.  please do not try to argue against Prince and Afflalo. 1 debatable flop (DJ White drafted 29 – I doubt there are 28 better players in that draft).   
        2nd round: (13): 5 hits (Cardinal, Okur, Jerebko, Budinger, Amir Johnson) 8 misses (Summers, Terrico White, Gliniadakis, Paulding, Acker, Blatlock, Mejia, Washington).  Incidentally 6 of the misses are drafted after pick 50.  It is too soon to judge Singler and Macklin.

        I count 7/12 players successful picks in the first round and 5/13 in the second round.  Where Joe shines is players selected between 20 and 50 (hit on 9/12).  I challenge you to find a better success rate anywhere in the league than that (even the Spurs!).

        You can’t fault Joe for not drafting stars with every pick when only 4 out of 27 have been in the top 10.  He’s actually had more picks in the bottom 10 with 7 picks.  I still maintain that Joe’s bad rep stems from picking Milicic.  The big problem with holding that against him is that 25 other GMs in the league would have done the same thing.  He was a consensus #2 pick at the time.  People were looking for the next Nowitzki.

        Name 5 other GMs in the league that have drafted better since 2000.

        • Jun 26, 201212:21 am
          by gmehl

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          First of all ease up a little bit and take a breath. I clearly stated that Joe’s drafting strength has to this point in his GM career been in the 2nd round. My standard for measuring his picks comes from who he could of drafted but didn’t:
          2000 (Mateen Cleaves): Quentin Richardson, Morris Peterson, DeShaw Stevenson, Jamaal Maglorie, Hedo Turkoglu, Desmond Mason, Michel Redd.
          2001 (Rodney White): Joe Johnson, Tony Parker, Richard Jefferson, Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace, Jamaal Tinsley, Samuel Dalembert, Gibert Arenas.
          2002 (Tayshaun Prince): John Salmons, Nenad Kristic, Carlos Boozer
          2003 (Darko Millicic & Carlos Delfino): Carmello Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Chris Kaman, Kirk Hindrich, TJ Ford, David West, Boris Diaw, Travis Outlaw, Kendrick Perkins, Leonardro Barbosa, Josh Howard.
          2004 (no 1st round pick)
          2005 (Jason Maxiell): David Lee, Linas Kleiza, Monta Ellis, Brandon Bass.
          2006 (no 1st round pick)
          2007 (Rodney Stuckey): Wilson Chandler, Nick Young, Aaron Brooks, Rudy Fernandez.
          2008 (DJ White) Mario Chalmers, DeAndre Jordan, Luc Mbah a Moute, Goran Dragic
          2009 (Austin Daye): Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, Taj Gibson.
          2010 (Greg Monroe): Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Landry Fields.
          2011 (Brandon Knight) Kemba Walker, MarShon Brooks, Kawhi Leonard.
           
          Another thing to factor in is hindsight and that it is always easy to sit back and judge after something is done but from the list above whether it be hindsight or not those players were still available when it was Joe’s turn to choose but he didn’t. I luv Joe and have always maintained that i think he can get this team back into playoff contention but if you think you can sit back and say he is great at picking 1st round talent then your kidding yourself. Names like Darko Milicic, Mateen Cleaves, Rodney White and Austin Daye prove it and are all for there to see in the record books. Now i will finish off by saying that i was never being critical of Joe’s draft selections but rather just pointing out that he clearly gets better value out of his 2nd round picks especially if you take away the last 2 drafts where there was no way he wasn’t going to select Monroe and Knight.

          • Jun 26, 20122:26 am
            by DG

            I’m not sure I buy the logic that Joe doesn’t get credit for drafting Greg Monroe and Brandon Knight.  It kind of makes it sound like a GM only gets credit if he reaches on somebody and hits.  It makes it sound like a GM that does a good job doing his homework and having the players graded in appropriate tiers doesn’t get credit.

            Otherwise I agree that Joe does a good job in the second round — actually from picks 20 on.  I also think he is improving at judging upper level talent.  By that, I think he has learned not to take players with fragile psyche’s like Milicic, Daye, and hopefully not PJ III.

          • Jun 26, 20126:18 am
            by tarsier

            Yeah if you rate GMs by who they could’ve (not “could of”–that doesn’t mean anything) drafted but didn’t, every GM in the league will look bad.

            Also, DG, it is too early to call Knight a hit or a flop. He looked decent but unspectacular as a rookie–about what could be expected for an 8th overall pick.

  • Jun 25, 20127:31 pm
    by Eric

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    Time for Joe Dumars to get the player we need with most upside ” Andre Drummond “.  Sacramento is interested in trading back, Joe D make a call and see if there is anyone on our roster they want besides Knight, Stuckey, Monroe, and Jerebko.  If they go for it great, if not lets draft the best scorer at #9 Jeremby Lamb, because I have come to the conclusion that the rest of of the bigs have too many flaws and concerns to get excited about any of them.

    Get Drummond, if not draft Lamb.

    Lineup:

    PG Knight, Bynum
    SG Stuckey, Gordon
    SF Prince, Singler, Daye
    PF Monroe, Jerebko, Maxiel
    C Drummond half way through the season / in free agency sign Kaman 

    Amnesty Charlie V to get some some for Kaman. I would assume Maxiel would opt in as well. Which other players Could SAC use besids Knight, Stuckey, Monroe, and Jerebko is the question.

    • Jun 25, 20127:59 pm
      by DG

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      Even if you amnesty CV, you are at the cap, not under enough to sign somebody.  We have to get Gordon’s contract off the books, too.  That’s the holdup in using the amnesty clause.  If it doesn’t free the  cash up to sign somebody new then they may as well keep CV.  They still have to pay him.

      • Jun 25, 20128:10 pm
        by DG

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        Also, the only trade assets Joe has to move up in the draft are Stuckey, Monroe and Knight.  Nobody else can get it done.  The teams that have available slots all want young veteran players instead of rookies.  Joe isn’t about to break up this trio.

        On the plus side, the Pistons should be more fun to watch.  The team Joe is building will want to get out and run.  It just won’t happen as fast as us fans want it too.  Hopefully that means he builds the team well for the long run.

  • Jun 25, 20127:41 pm
    by Faris

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    can you put a link up of his mock draft?

  • Jun 25, 20128:33 pm
    by tim

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    henson is not a fit in the nba.  dude will not be a solid player in the pros.

  • Jun 25, 20129:09 pm
    by MarkS

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    I don’t hate Henson, i agree he’s an interesting prospect and it’s obvious that Dumars is probably looking to add a defensive presence in the post to the team in a couple days.  I just think that Leonard can fill that void just as well as Henson could, although maybe not right away.  Without over-analyzing it, I’d just rather take the athletic 7 footer with more upside.  

    Henson is considered the more NBA ready player between the 2 but is whatever he gives us next year going to be significantly more than what Leonard could provide?  I doubt it.  Both guys need some seasoning and neither will play a huge role.  Henson would probably be a rotation player to start while Leonard would see very limited time initially, his minutes gradually increasing as the season progressed.  I’d take Leonard because he can play the 5 and he has more growth potential.  But I’d be fine either way I guess.  We could use a shot blocker

  • Jun 25, 20129:10 pm
    by Mark

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    Draft Express seems to think Drummond is not going to be drafted before us at 9. And he has us taking him in his latest mock. Ford seems to be basing his pick for us on the fact that Drummond won’t be there. Givony disagrees I guess.

  • Jun 25, 201210:25 pm
    by ray

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    sorry not sold on Henson…. im hoping this is a smokescreen to boost his stock or to hide the player they really want….people are so caught up in moving Greg to PF…. Henson isnt the answer….

  • Jun 25, 201210:25 pm
    by Vic

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    Henson will be good, but for pick 9 he better challenge Dennis Rodman

  • Jun 25, 201211:51 pm
    by Jeremy

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    I like the idea of getting the Kings pick. I would swap picks with them and then swap Stuckey for Tyreke Evans as well. A core of Evans, Knight, Monroe, and Drummond sounds pretty good to me!

    • Jun 26, 20126:22 am
      by tarsier

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      Stuckey for Evans is interesting, but I doubt either side would accept it. They are actually fairly similar players. So what is the incentive to trade a player for a very comparable guy who just doesn’t have the same chemistry with your team or experience with your system? If ti’s just because you believe Evans is better, then there is no way you should expect Sacramento to do it.

  • Jun 25, 201211:52 pm
    by G

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    Pistons need to be rebuilt. ‘Start a fire to build a new forest’. The only two untradable players in my eyes are Monroe and Knight, as they are our foundation for the next decade.

    Our four largest contracts are (in descending order) Gordon, Stuckey, Villanueva, and Prince. As much as I love Stuckey and Prince, the only way to get rid of Gordon or Villanueva is for them to be paired in a trade with a valuable asset like Stuckey or Prince.

    Trade Stuckey, Gordon, and Prince for a pick between 2-5. This way we get another future star in this draft and clear 25 million off the books. Most of those teams between picks 2 and 5 have the cap space to take on this kind of money, and I’m sure one of them will be willing to do it (both Cleveland and Sacramento have claimed to be looking to see what value they’ll get for their picks). Now amnesty CV. This is another 8 million gone.  

    This gives us a starting lineup of Knight, Barnes or Beal or Gill Kidchrist (from the pick we traded for), Jerebko, Monroe, and Leonard (forget Henson, going nowhere). Now we have 30 million to spend in free agency to get established and veteran players. Ersan Ilyasova would be a great hard working blue collar Pistons type player to spread the floor for Monroe. We could even go for Hibbert, or Nash! Or save the money for a super super star. The possibilities are endless.

    If teams won’t do Stuckey, Gordon, and Prince for a pick because it is too much money for them to want to do, we could do Stuckey Gordon and our 9th pick. Still worth it because all these big guys at 9 (leonard, sullener, moultrie, seller, henson) have too many major concerns with them. And we still clear a bunch of money off the books.

    What do you think?

    • Jun 26, 20126:24 am
      by tarsier

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      “Most of those teams between picks 2 and 5 have the cap space to take on this kind of money”
      You’re talking about taking on approximately $27.7M. I don’t think you realize how rare that kind of cap space is.
      2nd pick: Charlotte ($15.0M of cap space)3rd pick: Washington ($12.4M of cap space)4th pick: Cleveland ($26.5M of cap space)5th pick: Sacramento ($13.9M of cap space)
      Your premise that most of these 4 teams (I assume most would mean at least 3, not the almost 1 that is actually the case) have the cap space to absorb 3 large contracts for a pick is absolutely false. Granted, I don’t think any of them would take such a deal anyway. But they aren’t allowed to even if they went off their rockers and decided they wanted to.

      • Jun 26, 20128:45 am
        by Steve K

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        Agreed.
        Imagine being a fan of the Bobcats and hearing that your GM traded the #2 overall pick for 32 year old Tayshaun Prince, Ben Gordon and his $25.5M baggage, and a decent player in Stuckey.

        That GM would be tarred and feathered. I doubt any GM would trade ANYTHING for those three. You have to realize that Gordon’s contract makes him untradeable. If Gordon the player is considered an asset (debatable), Gordon’s salary is a liability. Combined, Gordon is a NET LIABILITY. Same thing with Tayshaun. He’s a decent player, but he carries a $22M price tag. As a 35 year old, Tayshaun will be pulling in $7.7M. Again, that’s a liability. Stuckey would be the only player considered a NET ASSET.

        Two liabilities plus one asset. What does that equal?

        It does not equal a #2 overall draft pick. It might equal Chris Kaman.

    • Jun 26, 20128:08 am
      by Wall-E

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      …Now if we can only get the Magic to take Jason Maxiel for Dwight Howard.  I think they would do that; they’re both big!

  • Jun 26, 20124:59 pm
    by Michael

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    I’m in favor of drafting Drummond.  As for trading up to get another 1st rounder?  I’d definitely move Prince/Stuckey or Gordon/Stuckey to achieve that.  I’m not a big Prince fan.  I don’t think his motor runs at full capacity all 40 minutes.  Far too often he plays in a lackadaisical way.  He is lazy and not fully focused.  His inbounding the ball is atrocious.  If I was going to move anyone on this team, Tay would be the guy.  Gordon is very close behind too.  If we could package them both up and move them on out?  I’d do it in a heartbeat….

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