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	<title>Comments on: Dysfunctional Pistons lose Ben Gordon trade</title>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-76866</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 21:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how people can say the Pistons &quot;have barely begun rebuilding&quot;.  Brandon Knight was one of the best rookies in the league and is 20 years old.  Greg Monroe is a future star, if not already and he is 22.  Rodney Stuckey had a breakout year and is 26.  Andre Drummond, who clearly will be a major part of the team, is 18.  If Drummond even scratches the surface of his potential, the Pistons will have a top 5 PF/C combo for years to come.  I&#039;d be shocked if the Pistons aren&#039;t in the playoffs next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how people can say the Pistons &#8220;have barely begun rebuilding&#8221;.  Brandon Knight was one of the best rookies in the league and is 20 years old.  Greg Monroe is a future star, if not already and he is 22.  Rodney Stuckey had a breakout year and is 26.  Andre Drummond, who clearly will be a major part of the team, is 18.  If Drummond even scratches the surface of his potential, the Pistons will have a top 5 PF/C combo for years to come.  I&#8217;d be shocked if the Pistons aren&#8217;t in the playoffs next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-76850</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 19:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Derek now with the cap space and Maggette&#039;s expiring contract he can be used as trade bait for someone looking to clear cap room!  We could land the small forward we need to take us over the top!  I believe our front court is set with drummond, monroe and Krovtsov(potential)!  Get the three we need and we will build to huge potential!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Derek now with the cap space and Maggette&#8217;s expiring contract he can be used as trade bait for someone looking to clear cap room!  We could land the small forward we need to take us over the top!  I believe our front court is set with drummond, monroe and Krovtsov(potential)!  Get the three we need and we will build to huge potential!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Feldman</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-75281</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Plan 1: Make the trade the Pistons made with Charlotte and amnesty Villanueva

Plan 2: Trade Villanueva and a pick for an expiring contract and amnesty Gordon

Plan 2 would require a less-valuable draft pick than Detroit sent Charlotte. Plan 2 is more expensive in real dollars. Plan 2 provides more cap flexibility this summer. Both plans provide equal cap flexibility next summer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plan 1: Make the trade the Pistons made with Charlotte and amnesty Villanueva</p>
<p>Plan 2: Trade Villanueva and a pick for an expiring contract and amnesty Gordon</p>
<p>Plan 2 would require a less-valuable draft pick than Detroit sent Charlotte. Plan 2 is more expensive in real dollars. Plan 2 provides more cap flexibility this summer. Both plans provide equal cap flexibility next summer.</p>
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		<title>By: James Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-75274</link>
		<dc:creator>James Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was giving this article a neutral read until I saw this:
 
&quot;The Pistons are selling this trade as a way to clear cap room – and it will, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/pistons.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to the tune of $13.2 million next summer&lt;/a&gt;.  But if cap room was the real goal, the obvious step would have been  amnestying Gordon. That would clear him from the salary cap and not cost  a future first-round pick.&quot;
 
That comment proves that you can&#039;t see past the obvious.  What do I mean?  Well using the &quot;amnesty&quot; on BG would clear 13.2 mill but your still stuck with CV&#039;s horrible 8.5 million dollar contract the following year.  By not &quot;amnestying&quot; BG you can now amnesty CV&#039;s contract and clear a massive 21.7 million in cap room next year.  Add that with all of the young guys we have on this team and you could have something amazing about to begin.
I&#039;m sorry but this was a great trade for the Pistons for that reason alone.  You can argue that this trade should have never needed to be done and I would be in your camp all day long, but this was a great, I f&#039;ed up and now I&#039;m fixing it trade IMO.
Personally I&#039;m giving Joe this one last year under new management, if he can&#039;t make it work this year then please by all means show him the door.  His hands have been cuffed for the prior two years, you need to see if he can dig his way out now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was giving this article a neutral read until I saw this:<br />
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&#8220;The Pistons are selling this trade as a way to clear cap room – and it will, <a href="http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/pistons.jsp" rel="nofollow">to the tune of $13.2 million next summer</a>.  But if cap room was the real goal, the obvious step would have been  amnestying Gordon. That would clear him from the salary cap and not cost  a future first-round pick.&#8221;<br />
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That comment proves that you can&#8217;t see past the obvious.  What do I mean?  Well using the &#8220;amnesty&#8221; on BG would clear 13.2 mill but your still stuck with CV&#8217;s horrible 8.5 million dollar contract the following year.  By not &#8220;amnestying&#8221; BG you can now amnesty CV&#8217;s contract and clear a massive 21.7 million in cap room next year.  Add that with all of the young guys we have on this team and you could have something amazing about to begin.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry but this was a great trade for the Pistons for that reason alone.  You can argue that this trade should have never needed to be done and I would be in your camp all day long, but this was a great, I f&#8217;ed up and now I&#8217;m fixing it trade IMO.<br />
Personally I&#8217;m giving Joe this one last year under new management, if he can&#8217;t make it work this year then please by all means show him the door.  His hands have been cuffed for the prior two years, you need to see if he can dig his way out now.</p>
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		<title>By: marko</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-74654</link>
		<dc:creator>marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This writer is a joke of an apologist for Joe Dumars. The guy built a great team that was the perennial eastern conference championship contenders and even won a title. But since that title and subsequent season when they lost in the conference finals what has he done?

Overpaying charlie v. and ben gordon is inexcusible. This move is truly god awful because they know full well they aren&#039;t making the playoffs anytime soon and should have just amnestied him and rebuilt through the draft (you are not paying double because you won&#039;t sign a player of that contract). They overpaid jerebko and prince. He he hired a coach that is notoriously hard on his players for a group of young guys and brought in ZERO character guys.

This is managements and Joe Dumars fault, but mostly Joe. Don&#039;t kid yourself into trying to play amateur psychologist and coming up with a list of other excuses. Joe Dumar has ruined this franchise as much as he helped grow it. Way to go on letting Chauncey and Rip go too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This writer is a joke of an apologist for Joe Dumars. The guy built a great team that was the perennial eastern conference championship contenders and even won a title. But since that title and subsequent season when they lost in the conference finals what has he done?</p>
<p>Overpaying charlie v. and ben gordon is inexcusible. This move is truly god awful because they know full well they aren&#8217;t making the playoffs anytime soon and should have just amnestied him and rebuilt through the draft (you are not paying double because you won&#8217;t sign a player of that contract). They overpaid jerebko and prince. He he hired a coach that is notoriously hard on his players for a group of young guys and brought in ZERO character guys.</p>
<p>This is managements and Joe Dumars fault, but mostly Joe. Don&#8217;t kid yourself into trying to play amateur psychologist and coming up with a list of other excuses. Joe Dumar has ruined this franchise as much as he helped grow it. Way to go on letting Chauncey and Rip go too.</p>
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		<title>By: The drafting habits of embattled GMs &#124; The Point Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-74628</link>
		<dc:creator>The drafting habits of embattled GMs &#124; The Point Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the blog PistonPowered wrote that the deal smelled like a move that Detroit president Joe Dumars might have made with an eye toward his job security. Swapping Gordon for Maggette&#8217;s expiring deal creates major salary-cap space one year earlier [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the blog PistonPowered wrote that the deal smelled like a move that Detroit president Joe Dumars might have made with an eye toward his job security. Swapping Gordon for Maggette&#8217;s expiring deal creates major salary-cap space one year earlier [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Court Vision &#124; The Point Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-74623</link>
		<dc:creator>Court Vision &#124; The Point Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] • Safe to say Dan Feldman of the Detroit-themed blog Piston Powered isn&#8217;t thrilled with the Ben Gordon/Corey Maggette swap. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] • Safe to say Dan Feldman of the Detroit-themed blog Piston Powered isn&#8217;t thrilled with the Ben Gordon/Corey Maggette swap. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-74575</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick, I think we have to evaluate BG as a sunk cost at this point rather than looking at his acquisition as a whole. Signing him definitely didn&#039;t work out, but the mistake was made and now Joe D had to improvise to get the best he could out of it. So &quot;The Pistons had to give up an asset to get out of a terrible contract. What is there to celebrate here?&quot; That we got out of a terrible contract! And if we can perform over the next two years, that &quot;asset&quot; will be a mid first rounder that would have been used on a future bench player. But like everyone&#039;s been saying, evaluating this trade will be a million times easier in three years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick, I think we have to evaluate BG as a sunk cost at this point rather than looking at his acquisition as a whole. Signing him definitely didn&#8217;t work out, but the mistake was made and now Joe D had to improvise to get the best he could out of it. So &#8220;The Pistons had to give up an asset to get out of a terrible contract. What is there to celebrate here?&#8221; That we got out of a terrible contract! And if we can perform over the next two years, that &#8220;asset&#8221; will be a mid first rounder that would have been used on a future bench player. But like everyone&#8217;s been saying, evaluating this trade will be a million times easier in three years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay d.</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/06/dysfunctional-pistons-lose-ben-gordon-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-74561</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this was a great move from the Pistons.  I think with our medical staff we can keep Corey Magette  healthy for most of the season off the bench. He is big guard/sf thats an upgrade from Wilkins. He is also a finisher at the rim and draw fouls. Also this trade might slide Daye at the 2 guard. Also we still can used Cory contract at the trade deadline for a better player. Up front i wouldnt amnesty Charlie V unless we have someone that can put up some points on or off the bench. Also what happen if we amnesty Charlie V and maxwell leaves. We will only have Greg, Jonas and ??? in the front court (maybe our first round draft pick). Also who knows if Kyle is coming back from Spain?  I think to make this all good and correct is to bring Ben Wallace back, draft Henson, and Iona guard , and maybe another big.  I think the pistons will somehow get a next year first round pick back...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this was a great move from the Pistons.  I think with our medical staff we can keep Corey Magette  healthy for most of the season off the bench. He is big guard/sf thats an upgrade from Wilkins. He is also a finisher at the rim and draw fouls. Also this trade might slide Daye at the 2 guard. Also we still can used Cory contract at the trade deadline for a better player. Up front i wouldnt amnesty Charlie V unless we have someone that can put up some points on or off the bench. Also what happen if we amnesty Charlie V and maxwell leaves. We will only have Greg, Jonas and ??? in the front court (maybe our first round draft pick). Also who knows if Kyle is coming back from Spain?  I think to make this all good and correct is to bring Ben Wallace back, draft Henson, and Iona guard , and maybe another big.  I think the pistons will somehow get a next year first round pick back&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read one article on this website and it will be my last... talk about a one sided opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read one article on this website and it will be my last&#8230; talk about a one sided opinion.</p>
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