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2012 PistonPowered Mock Draft

Patrick Hayes is not an accredited NBA Draft expert, nor does he have an advanced degree in scouting. He’s simply an enthusiastic young man with a sixth grade education and an abiding love for all NBA Draft prospects … join him for his second annual mock draft.

As always, I’m making draft predictions without the benefit of seeing any workouts, interviewing a single prospect (technically, I interviewed Draymond Green once when he was in high school though, does that count?) or having access to the wealth of scouting information that teams use to make selections. These are just my best attempts to match up team needs with players I think fit based on watching way too much college basketball last season. Second round picks are after the page break.

Here are the latest mock drafts by Chad Ford, DraftExpress, NBADraft.netVincent Goodwill of The Detroit News, Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press and Tom Ziller of SB Nation. Coverage of the draft starts at 7 p.m. tonight on ESPN. So, no more setup needed. Let’s dig in.

1. New Orleans Hornets – Anthony Davis

As funny as it would be to see the Hornets take someone else considering all the hype Davis has had — and boy, if that happened wouldn’t SLAM Magazine’s cheeks be red? — there will be no surprises here. Davis is going to New Orleans to be the franchise’s and city’s latest sports savior.

2. Charlotte Bobcats – Thomas Robinson

I’m sure Michael Jordan will be intrigued by wings here. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is arguably the most competitive guy in this draft and Harrison Barnes is the forever-hyped star from Jordan’s college. But, if Rich Cho holds onto this pick, pairing the tough, solid Robinson up front with Bismack Biyombo is too good to pass up.

3. Washington Wizards - Bradley Beal

Personally, I like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist better. He’s tough, will be a phenomenal defensive player and he’d be a good fit at either the shooting guard or small forward spot in Washington. But the Wizards, like many teams, don’t have many elite perimeter shooters and that’s where Beal fits. He’ll clear driving lanes for John Wall, and that’s really important.

4. Cleveland Cavaliers - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

The Cavs will settle for Kidd-Gilchrist, and that’s a fine consolation prize. They supposedly like Beal if he lasts this long and would also consider Harrison Barnes. With Kyrie Irving and his near 40 percent 3-point shooting, adding a shooter is less a necessity for them than it is for Washington and MKG will infuse toughness and defense on their perimeter. Cleveland has been really weak on the wings since LeBron James left and MKG is another nice addition to a roster that is slowly looking pretty solid again.

5. Sacramento Kings – John Henson

OK, hear me out on this one. Ford says the Kings have been high on Henson all year. Jason Thompson is hitting restricted free agency. The best perimeter player on the board, Harrison Barnes, would be another volume scorer on a team full of volume scorers. As last year’s Jimmer Fredette in the lottery pick showed, the Kings aren’t afraid to reach for a player they like, so if they don’t trade this pick (which seems like a possibility), it wouldn’t be a total shock if they reached to take Henson here.

6. Portland Trail Blazers – Damian Lillard

I’m a little scared of so-called consensus after last year. Brandon Knight was a ‘consensus’ pick to go to Utah at No. 3 for weeks and, even though I thought that seemed a tad high for Knight, I bought in because every respected draft outlet had him as a virtual lock there. The same thing is happening for Lillard. Like Knight, Lillard has moved up draft boards because of an overall weak crop of point guards, and reports indicate Portland wants Lillard and worry he might not be there when they pick 11th. I will reluctantly go with the experts and say Lillard comes off the board here.

7. Golden State Warriors – Dion Waiters

From Marcus Thompson II of the San Jose Mercury News:

Jerry West, Warriors board member and consultant, has been drilling this word into the psyche of his front-office cohorts: Assets. Assets. Assets.

“We can’t afford to let assets pass us by and address need,” said Warriors general manager Bob Myers, explaining West’s philosophy.

According to Ford, West really likes Waiters. Golden State better listen to Jerry West.

8. Toronto Raptors - Andre Drummond

So close. For weeks, the almighty consensus has had the Raptors looking solely at players like Lillard, Barnes, Waiters and other wings. I don’t buy it. Sure, they are bringing last year’s lottery pick, Jonas Valanciunas, over this season. But does that mean their frontcourt is suddenly elite? Why not take Drummond and have your young twin towers combo? I hope it doesn’t happen for Detroit’s sake, but I really don’t understand why the assumption is Toronto is not interested in a big.

9. Detroit Pistons – Harrison Barnes

He doesn’t fill their most pressing need (especially now that Corey Maggette is on the roster) and he, like Knight, would cause another round of ‘RABBLE RABBLE RABBLEs’ from the advanced stats crowd, who are far from sold on him. But I think Barnes is the big name most likely to fall in this draft and I feel pretty comfortable saying that if Barnes falls and Drummond is off the board as well, Dumars would take Barnes in a heartbeat. It wouldn’t be the most popular pick, but one good thing would likely come out of it — a reduced role for Tayshaun Prince.

10. New Orleans Hornets - Kendall Marshall

This might be a slight reach for Marshall, but I think he’s underrated, he’s a pure pass-first point guard and his skillset would look awfully nice in a young lineup that will boast Davis and Eric Gordon next season.

 

11. Portland Trail Blazers - Meyers Leonard

I debated between Leonard and Tyler Zeller here. Leonard has more upside, Zeller would probably help Portland more right now. But with LaMarcus Aldridge already established as an All-Star up front, they can afford to gamble on a more high risk/high reward player like Leonard and hope he develops into the bruising rebounder he’s capable of being. They had similar luck with a raw former Big Ten center in Joel Przybilla, whose career didn’t really get on track until he got to Portland in his fourth year. Maybe they can have similar success with Leonard.

12. Houston Rockets - Jared Sullinger

You think Daryl Morey is scared of a cryptic medical report when a player who was once considered a possible No. 1 pick if he came out last year is available at the back of the lottery? I don’t buy the Sullinger free fall storyline. He’s a good risk at this point in the draft and Morey is the type of GM who will understand that. If Houston is picking here, I’d bet on Sullinger if he lasts this long.

13. Phoenix Suns - Austin Rivers

The Suns could possibly lose Steve Nash in free agency, and with him, any interest that people outside of Phoenix have in the team. Rivers, at the very least, is a big name that will attract attention all season as people watch to see if the hyped prep star who underperformed at Duke can turn into the NBA star many projected he would be when he was a junior in high school.

14. Milwaukee Bucks - Jeremy Lamb

I had the Bucks pegged for taking a big man until they acquired Samuel Dalembert in a trade with Houston yesterday. They could still use some depth up front, but with Dalembert, Ekpe Udoh and Larry Sanders, they’re OK there. Lamb, on the other hand, adds some size and defensive potential to their diminutive backcourt. Plus, versatile wing Carlos Delfino is a free agent, so Lamb offers some insurance if he leaves.

15. Philadelphia 76ers - Tyler Zeller

Philly will be ecstatic to get a late lottery-level big man here. Spencer Hawes is a free agent, Elton Brand is old and Zeller will be an immediate contributor either as a starter or reserve. He runs the floor well, finishes well and has good hands, so he’ll be a nice target for solid passers Jrue Holiday, Andre Iguodala and Evan Turner.

16. Houston Rockets - Royce White

Between his John Lennon beard and calling me out on Twitter for getting his weight wrong, I might consider taking him in the top five if I had my way. But, as I said above with Sullinger, White’s upside is so great that he’d immediately become a nice young asset for Daryl Morey, who wouldn’t be scared off by White’s scary alleged red flags.

17. Dallas Mavericks – Arnett Moultrie

Moultrie was an underachiever in college who has impressed teams in workouts and has even been discussed as a longshot to sneak into the lottery after being projected in the 20s in most early mock drafts. He’s athletic, runs well, finishes well and could perhaps be a find for a Mavs team still figuring out how to adequately replace Tyson Chandler.

18. Houston Rockets - Perry Jones III

Well, let’s just give Houston the ultimate boom/bust draft. With three picks in the teens, they’d come out of this with three players who are incredibly intriguing. No one would be entirely shocked if Sullinger, Jones or White ends up being considered among the best picks in this draft someday. Also, no one would be entirely shocked if any of those guys were considered among the worst picks.

19. Orlando Magic – Moe Harkless

With a new GM taking over in Orlando, it’s hard to tell what direction the Magic will go in. Under Otis Smith and Stan Van Gundy, a tall shooter like Andrew Nicholson would be a possible fit here, but if the Magic decide to trade Dwight Howard, their collection of guys who can stand on the perimeter and knock down shots out of double-teams will not be so necessary. Harkless would help them get much more athletic at a wing position, plus he should be a very solid defensive player even if his offense takes some time to develop.

20. Denver Nuggets – Terrence Ross

The Nuggets add another big perimeter player to throw at the many dynamic wing players in the West, plus get a player in Ross who can knock down the three, a big part of Denver’s offense. Many predict Ross as one of the draft’s sleepers. Chad Ford even had him sneaking into the lottery at one point.

21. Boston Celtics – Terrence Jones

What Boston does with these picks depends a lot on what they decide to do with their roster. Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett are both free agents. If both of those guys go elsewhere, it’s likely to hasten a rebuilding project. But if one or both, particularly Garnett, returns, Boston will be loading up for one more run and probably looking for college players who can step in and fill a role immediately. Jones is a versatile combo forward who would do a bit of everything for Boston.

22. Boston Celtics – Draymond Green

Building on that point above, Green would be able to give minutes at two positions, hit perimeter shots and rebound. Plus, adding him as a high post passer would take some pressure off of Rajon Rondo to be the team’s only player who consistently looks to create shots for others. Also, I might cry tonight when Green gets drafted. #PerfectSpartan

23. Atlanta Hawks – Andrew Nicholson

The Hawks rely so heavily on Al Horford and Josh Smith up front, Nicholson would give them not only a young big man who could give competent minutes at either PF or C, he’d also add a dimension to their offense as a stretch four. He’s a solid outside shooter who could create more space for Jeff Teague and Joe Johnson when they feel like driving inside.

24. Cleveland Cavaliers – Jeff Taylor

Green is destined to go here if he’s still on the board, but assuming he’s gone, Cleveland will continue to improve the talent on its wing. Like their earlier pick, Kidd-Gilchrist, Taylor projects as a reliable defensive player. Taylor also had a fantastic season shooting the ball last season. Oh, and for the record, I really don’t want Dan Gilbert to get Draymond Green. Gilbert is #NotAPerfectSpartan.

25. Memphis Grizzlies – Will Barton

O.J. Mayo is a free agent and the Grizzlies are perennially flirting with maybe possibly trading Rudy Gay. If both guys are back, Barton, a local college star at Memphis, gets to back them up and develop. If one or the other isn’t back, he can step in and play a little bigger role immediately.

26. Indiana Pacers – Fab Melo

With Roy Hibbert, the Pacers don’t necessarily need more size, but Melo is a shot-blocker, he’s big and he’d give the Pacers another potential rim protector to put in the game when Hibbert is on the bench. With David West and Tyler Hansbrough, Indiana actually has a pretty undersized frontcourt outside of Hibbert and Melo would help beef that up.

27. Miami Heat – Tony Wroten Jr.

Mike Miller and James Jones are reportedly considering retirement and Shane Battier is old. The Heat could use some young legs in a reserve role on the perimeter and Wroten is versatile enough to play either guard spot and give minutes at any perimeter position. He won’t replace any of those players as a perimeter shooter, but he has a long wingspan and could help defensively.

28. Oklahoma City Thunder – Evan Fournier

Fournier is an intriguing prospect because of his size and athleticism. He might be a reach if he were taken in the teens where he was originally projected, but he’d be good value here for a team like Oklahoma City that can give him time to develop.

29. Chicago Bulls – Marquis Teague

I fully expect Derrick Rose to come back healthy next season, but the Bulls could benefit from attempting to lighten his workload some. Teague could actually go higher than this as teams always reach for point guards, but if he’s on the board when the Bulls pick, they’d have another athletic PG to eventually give quality minutes and allow Rose to rest more during the regular season.

30. Golden State Warriors – Festus Ezeli

I had them taking Waiters earlier despite the fact that the team owner loves size, so they’ll compromise and take a big man prospect here. Ezeli is raw and will probably need some time before he develops into a meaningful contributor, but by all accounts he’s a hard worker who has already improved a lot during his college career.

(Second round after the jump)

Second Round


31. Charlotte Bobcats - Doron Lamb

Lamb is one of the more underrated players in this draft. Rich Cho will be thrilled to get him here and add an elite shooter to go along with Robinson. Neither guy will propel the Bobcats to a fast turnaround, but they’ll be much improved next season.

32. Washington Wizards - Quincy Miller

Miller is a potential first round pick who has slid some because of a knee injury. But a 6-foot-10 athletic wing is tough to find at any stage of the draft and Washington would drastically improve its perimeter positions with the additions of Beal and Miller.

33. Cleveland Cavaliers - Miles Plumlee

They addressed some perimeter deficiencies with their two first round picks, now it’s time to add some size. Plumlee has proven to be an elite athlete in combine workouts, he’s a good rebounder and would be a fine young big man to add to Cleveland’s solid frontcourt rotation that already includes Anderson Varejao and Tristan Thompson.

34. Cleveland Cavaliers - Furkan Aldemir

I would assume the Cavs don’t plan to go into next season with four rookies on the roster at once, so stashing an international player overseas for a year or two makes sense. Aldemir is big, athletic and he’s only 20, so there’s a good chance he could improve.


35. Golden State Warriors - Bernard James

At 27, James is already well past the age of being a ‘prospect.’ But he should be a pretty solid reserve even if he’s not an upside pick. They have two ‘upside’ guys up front now with last year’s pick Jeremy Tyler and the first rounder I gave them, Ezeli. If those ‘upside’ guys struggle, James should be able to give immediate backup minutes.

36. Sacramento Kings – Tyshawn Taylor

The Kings are reportedly toying with the idea of trading Tyreke Evans. Taylor had an erratic career at Kansas, but he’s a phenomenal talent and a good gamble here for some point guard depth if Sacramento does indeed part ways with ‘Reke Havoc.

 

37. Toronto Raptors - Jae Crowder

Here’s why I think it’s a mistake for Toronto to take a perimeter player with their lottery pick: they can get a pretty good one right here. For whatever reason, people are concerned about Crowder not having a viable NBA position. Whatever. He’s incredibly productive, strong, a good shooter and he’d immediately become Toronto’s toughest perimeter player.

38. Denver Nuggets – Drew Gordon

Gordon is another player who is probably a first round talent, but some off-court stuff at UCLA before transferring and getting himself together at New Mexico probably cost him some draft position. He’ll be a good find for Denver. He can get out and run the floor and he’s also pretty solid around the basket.

39. Detroit Pistons - Kyle O’Quinn

OK stats crowd, Joe Dumars is sorry for that Barnes pick in round one. To make amends with you, he will choose O’Quinn, who is already a favorite among Pistons fans. If O’Quinn is on the board at pick 39 and Dumars doesn’t take him, I would advise treading very carefully into the Detroit Bad Boys comments tonight.

40. Portland Trail Blazers - John Jenkins

Nothing to see here. Just Portland finding great value with a lights out perimeter shooter and solid defensive player. He’ll fit nicely catching passes from LaMarcus Aldridge out of double teams and knocking down threes. Jenkins will be cheaper, more efficient and better suited to the bench shooter role that Jamal Crawford was supposed to play last season.

41. Portland Trail Blazers - Tomas Satoranksy

Portland is another team with four picks who I don’t envision having four rookies on the roster this season. If they go international here, Satoransky is 20 years-old and projects as a 6-foot-7 point guard. Not a bad gamble that he could get significantly better with another season or two overseas and become an impact player.

42. Milwaukee Bucks - Darius Miller

When all other factors are about equal, taking a John Calipari player. He knows NBA talent. Miller was a competent, intelligent rotation player at Kentucky and there’s no reason to believe he won’t be in the NBA. He’ll give quality backup minutes for the Bucks and be a solid defensive player. He’s also a great 3-point shooter.

43. Atlanta Hawks – Kim English

At some point, the Hawks have to consider amnestying Marvin Williams or even Joe Johnson, right? It would be nice to have a cheap alternative to replace either one. English, a wing, shot 52 percent this season and 46 percent from three. He’d be a nice fit for now as a backup to both positions and is a good bet to improve enough to be a starter someday.

44. Detroit Pistons - Scott Machado

O’Quinn wasn’t enough to make up for the Barnes pick, DBB? Fair enough. We’ll give you your other favorite, Machado, at this spot. The Pistons need backup help at both guard spots, but drafting a pure point guard like Machado would give the team the flexibility to play both Knight and Stuckey at shooting guard more. He’d also give the Pistons their best backcourt passer since Chauncey Billups was around.

45. Philadelphia 76ers - Orlando Johnson

Leading scorer Lou Williams just opted out of his contract, and Jodie Meeks is not very good, so Philly could use some depth on the perimeter. Johnson played at a small college but has good size for a guard and made 43 percent of his 3-pointers.

46. New Orleans Hornets – Jared Cunningham

Cunningham is one of several second round shooting guards, along with Johnson, English and Darius Johnson-Odom who I wouldn’t be shocked to out-play their more ‘upsidey’ first round counterparts. He’s big, strong and would give the Hornets a nice draft, along with first rounders Davis and Marshall.

47. Utah Jazz – Tu Holloway

This might be a tad high for Holloway, but the Jazz are pretty well set up front, the best second round wing prospects are pretty much gone by now and Utah’s point guard situation is still far from settled. I don’t know if Holloway will develop into a NBA rotation player, but I like his toughness and his ability to give awesome quotes has first round upside.

48. New York Knicks – Darius Johnson-Odom

The Knicks have significant holes in their backcourt that a second round pick isn’t going to solve, but if they take DJO, he’d at the very least pair with Iman Shumpert to give New York one of the most athletic guard tandems in the league.

 

49. Orlando Magic – Mike Scott

Scott is a tad undersized for a power forward, but he’s a solid rebounder, he plays intelligently and within himself and he’d give an Orlando frontline that has relied on finesse players (other than Dwight Howard) in recent years a little bit of toughness.

50. Denver Nuggets - Kostas Papanikolaou

Denver’s roster is already pretty full, and with two second round picks and one first rounder, I’d bet that they won’t carry three rookies next year. Papanikolau is an energetic and improving wing who they can possibly stash overseas for a year or two and hope he develops.

51. Boston Celtics - Leon Radosevic

Again with Boston, a lot of this depends on whether they are going for one more run or letting Garnett walk in free agency. Assuming they are going to give it one more go, I can’t see them having three rookies on the roster again this season, so we’ll give them Radosevic, a project big man who might get better in Europe over the next year or two.

52. Golden State Warriors - William Buford

They’ve already taken a wing and two big men, so we’ll give them another backup swingman here, assuming they’re fine with Steph Curry/Charles Jenkins at point guard. Buford has good size for a two-three and he’s a decent perimeter shooter. He could fill a role for them if they decide to trade Dorell Wright.

53. Los Angeles Clippers – JaMychal Green

With apologies to Chris Paul, who said the Clippers were only a healthy Chauncey Billups away from a championship, the Clips have some holes to fill in the backup spots at shooting guard and in the frontcourt. We’ll give them Green, an athletic big man who might be a decent backup to Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan.

54. Philadelphia 76ers - Kevin Jones

He’s undersized, but he’s still a solid rebounder, intelligent player and a hard worker. Philly had great success last season with a similarly under-the-radar rookie, Lavoy Allen. Jones is another overachiever, and Doug Collins has always had a spot for guys who might have physical limitations but give superior effort.

55. Dallas Mavericks – J’Covan Brown

Brown has a ways to go to prove he can be a competent point guard as his natural inclination is to score. But if Dallas brings back Jason Kidd in free agency, the raw but talented Brown will have one of the better models of point guard play in NBA history to work with and compete against every day.

56. Toronto Raptors - Ricardo Ratliff

Ratliff is undersized and most mocks have him going undrafted, but he’s fast, athletic, a solid rebounder and anyone at a high major college who shoots nearly 70 percent from the field in a large role merits serious consideration in the draft. He could be an Amir Johnson-type energy player (though not as good a shot blocker), which would allow the Raptors to trade the real Amir Johnson for backcourt help.

57. Brooklyn Nets – Khris Middleton

Hmm … which player left on the board is going to impress Deron Williams enough to sign long-term? We’ll give them Middleton, a player who was once more highly regarded as a prospect before a knee injury hampered him this season. He needs to improve as a jump shooter, but he might be a solid off-the-dribble scorer in a backup role. He’s also a solid passer for a wing.

58. Minnesota Timberwolves – Henry Sims

Sims is a bit difficult to project simply because he was a bit player most of his Georgetown career who became a solid starter as a senior. He’s big, is fundamentally sound as most Georgetown bigs are and he’s definitely worth a pick this late to see if he can develop and build on what he did last season.

59. San Antonio Spurs – Robbie Hummel

Hummel has played his way into the second round conversation, remarkable considering his injury history at Purdue. The Spurs will probably look to remake their bench some, perhaps parting ways with Matt Bonner. Hummel could step into that stretch four role seamlessly.

60. Los Angeles Lakers – Quincy Acy

This great profile by Vince Ellis on Acy working with Detroit Pershing coach A.W. Canada this summer sold me. He might not have a legit position, but he’s tough, athletic and the Lakers could find a spot for him on the end of their bench.

37 Comments

  • Jun 28, 201212:31 pm
    by Danny D

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    I was going to rant and rave in this comment, then I read the second round picks, and LOL’ed instead, Well played sir, Well played.

  • Jun 28, 201212:42 pm
    by Eric

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    I seriously hope we get Harrison Barnes instead of Henson

  • Jun 28, 201212:45 pm
    by Alan

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    I’d be thrilled if Barnes slid to No.9

  • Jun 28, 201212:48 pm
    by Dan

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    don’t really see how anybody could complain about Barnes at 9…that’s value right there because he would come in and instantly help our offense.

    • Jun 28, 20121:02 pm
      by Birdman84

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      Oh, I can find a way to complain about Barnes. Our offense needs help, not PR.

  • Jun 28, 201212:54 pm
    by Marcus

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    How many SF would that give us?  5 Prince, Daye, Singler, Maggette, Jerebko(SF/PF) and Barnes.  We dont need any more SF, we are already not playing the ones we drafted.

    • Jun 28, 201212:55 pm
      by Marcus

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      NVM saw the second round picks.

  • Jun 28, 20121:03 pm
    by MoJo

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    I will not be mad at all if we got Barnes… I would be very happy if Joe D took him. Not sold on Henson or Leonard and Barnes has potential to be a high scorer

  • Jun 28, 20121:25 pm
    by Rodman4Life

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    Barnes slipping reminds me of Knight slipping.  Very intriguing . . . . .

    • Jun 28, 20121:33 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yeah … I’m not exactly hoping he slips, but I find it much more likely that a wing will slip than a big man. I wish it were MKG and not Barnes falling, but it would take a colossal level of GM stupidity for that to happen.

      • Jun 28, 20123:15 pm
        by G

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        I’m still hoping we trade up to four or five. Good chance of getting MKG or Thomas Robinson then. Pair our ninth with prince? or maybe even worth it with stuckey?

  • Jun 28, 20121:41 pm
    by DG

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    I’d take your draft for the Pistons right now.  I like all three picks.  I think Barnes will be a better pro than college player, and he wasn’t bad in college.  I just don’t think Carolina’s system was the best for him.  O’Quinn and Machado are probably long term backups, but could help the team now.  O’Quinn has almost as much length as Henson, too.

  • Jun 28, 20121:46 pm
    by Ray

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    Anyone name that Initials arent JH is fine with me

  • Jun 28, 20121:57 pm
    by Vic

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    If we took Barnes I might throw up. If Drummin and Hanson are gone you take Leonard at worst Perry jones. Or you trade down get 16 and 18 from Houston or even 21 and 22 from Boston. Get sullinger Royce White Nicholson Fab Melo.

    And I wouldn’t be placated with my other favorite players Macado or even Crowder or Oquinn. A draft with little upside is a draft that adds little excitement to the fan base and bring little profit to the pistons. A roster with 6 mediocre small forwards in the LeBron James Kevin Durant age is more than disgusting, it’s laughingstock.

  • Jun 28, 20122:02 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Dang, Patrick you almost got it right…I got Drummond coming to the Pistons at 9…

  • Jun 28, 20122:05 pm
    by Vic

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    I like O’Quinn butt up .83 block to foul ratio is not going to cut it against bigger and more athletic players in NBA. Even Myers Leonard’s block to follow ratio it was better than that

  • Jun 28, 20122:21 pm
    by MrCarter

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    When did Tyrone Biggums take over this site??

  • Jun 28, 20122:23 pm
    by MrCarter

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    Henson at 5? Sullinger at 12? BARNES AT 9??? “He’s-the-looniest-mock-drafter-in-your-town…….”

    • Jun 28, 20122:39 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I was more than clear in my disclaimers. I have no real information and just go mostly by what I watch and read and who I like/don’t like. Frankly, you’re all lucky I didn’t put Draymond Green in the top five.

  • Jun 28, 20122:36 pm
    by Mark

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    I’d be more than happy with Barnes, if Drummond is gone. However I can’t see TOR passing Barnes for Drummond. I’d have flipflopped those two.
    btw, doesn’t SAC seem like a PERFECT trade partner for us?

    If they want Henson they can get him at 9, and by moving up to 5 we could guarantee getting Drummond.

    We should be working on that.

  • Jun 28, 20122:59 pm
    by Crispus

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    Wasn’t Joakim Noah really scrawny coming out of college? He bulked up nicely and now he’s a great defender in the paint and on the perimeter. We can pick Henson, but only on the condition that Ben Wallace has to spend 12 hours a day with him making him lift weights and eat protein.

    • Jun 28, 20123:04 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Noah was listed at 223 the year he was drafted and he’s only 232 now. I’m honestly not that concerned about Henson’s bulk. He can block shots, that’s what Detroit needs. He’s not going to defend Bynum or Randolph or Howard or the Gasols effectively, but who really does guard those guys well?

      • Jun 28, 20123:15 pm
        by Marvin Jones

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        But that’s the point, we need someone who may be able, eventually, to guard them well. Shot blocking as the only major thing you bring to the table is not all that good. What happens when Monroe gets in early foul trouble, can Henson guard the center, NO, and if he’s posted by a PF then he would need help, just like when Daye or Prince played PF. No thank you, get Leonard, a real center, and let him grow with Monroe and Knight. 

  • Jun 28, 20122:59 pm
    by Gregoire

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    Would love to trade yerebko for a pick in the teens and draft Perry Jones.

  • Jun 28, 20123:21 pm
    by G

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    dont know why people like drummond so much. he has darko and kwame written all over him. leonard has a great attitude and couldn’t be a harder worker. henson, another hard worker, who has created a really good shot (shown at workout videos) hes even hitting 3s. regardless, all these three guys have some worries with them. i would like to trade up for MKG or Robinson from sacramento or cleveland. but definitely not trade up for drummond!!!

  • Jun 28, 20123:22 pm
    by Ray

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    If Kidd-Gilchrist becomes a Bust…and a guy Like Perry Jones Excels in the NBA…. Nobody will talk about MOTORS! in the NBA draft again…and i would be thankful

    Gilchrist is a 6’7 rebounding and defensive SLASHER, good athlete…no jumper and poor ball handling…an everyone has him going top 5…because he is 18 with a GREAT MOTOR! ….

    while Perry Jones is 6’11 SF/PF that can shoot, ball-handle, ELITE athlere….can rebound and defend….is falling in the draft because…plays with a laid back style….

    Perception:

    For the love of god someone give me Joes Cell Phone #

  • Jun 28, 20123:32 pm
    by Ray

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    Patrick “”Noah was listed at 223 the year he was drafted and he’s only 232 now. I’m honestly not that concerned about Henson’s bulk. He can block shots, that’s what Detroit needs. He’s not going to defend Bynum or Randolph or Howard or the Gasols effectively, but who really does guard those guys well?”"

    Noah is built differently…. Henson lower body is almost gone…. and he is not really 216…that Weigh gainer for the combine…and to tell you gain 30 lbs in 3-4 years means nothing….he is 21… thats about it…he might end up at 225 in maybe 4 years… but if he isnt build like Theo Ratliff was his body wont be able to take

    He will be facing:
    Boozer
    Noah
    Davis West
    Hibbert
    Al Horford
    Kevin Garnett (if he returns)
    Dwight(if he is in the Eastern Conference)
    Kris Humpries ( a monster on the boards)
    Chandlers
    Hell even LEBRON!

    each 3-4 times a years….against a 210-215 F/C ….

  • Jun 28, 20123:38 pm
    by Ray

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    Patrick “”Noah was listed at 223 the year he was drafted and he’s only 232 now. I’m honestly not that concerned about Henson’s bulk. He can block shots, that’s what Detroit needs. He’s not going to defend Bynum or Randolph or Howard or the Gasols effectively, but who really does guard those guys well?””
    Noah is built differently…. Henson lower body is almost gone…. and henson is not really 216…thats weight gainer added for the combine…and to tell me he gained 30 lbs in 3-4 years means nothing….he is 21… thats about it…he might end up at 225 in maybe 4 years… so unless he is built like a Theo Ratliff or an Ibaka his body wont be able to take on some of the most physical players in the league

    He will be facing:
    Boozer
    Noah
    Davis West
    Hibbert
    Al Horford
    Kevin Garnett (if he returns)
    Dwight(if he is in the Eastern Conference)
    Kris Humpries ( a monster on the boards)
    Chandlers
    Hell even LEBRON!
    each 3-4 times a years….against a 210-215 F/C ….

  • Jun 28, 20124:11 pm
    by acr

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    An honest question – I don’t understand why most mock drafts have Terrence Jones being drafted in the late teens/early 20′s – can someone explain it to me?  I would be fine if the Pistons picked him at 9 – seriously.  Yes, the dude has the body language issues and had a few games where he didn’t show up last year, but he is frickin’ built like a truck with a ton of athletic ability.  Number 10 prospect on Ford’s Big Board. Lot’s of people call him a tweener SF/PF – but he measured at 6’9.5 252 at the combine, which means his is both taller and heavier than the supposed #2 PF in the draft (Robinson) and is just as athletic – if not more so.  He rebounds, block shots, attacks the basket, and can even shoot it a bit.  While he gets emotional at times with the body language stuff – he’s 20 years old – he’ll learn to get over that stuff or to channel it in different ways.  I’d rather a guy with passion over a stiff any day.  He also sacrificed a lot of his game last year playing with Davis and MKG – and he won a championship too.  This is what the Wildcat’s beatwriter for SB nation said about Jones:

    “Jones gets far less of the spotlight than Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Anthony Davis, but he is more skilled than MKG and has a much more NBA-ready body than Davis.
    Not only that, Jones was absolutely the best defender on this Kentucky team from top to bottom, if you don’t consider Davis’ absurd shot-blocking. He defended his position better than any other player on the team, and did it whether he was having a good offensive game or not. This is another area that is undervalued in Jones — his commitment to defense. He wasn’t as versatile as MKG, but if you put him on a guy his size, he was terrific.”

    I don’t know, if we’re going to gamble a bit on someone at 9 like Henson/Leonard/P. Jones, I think I’d rather take a shot with an athletic PF like T. Jones and pick up a center project later in the draft or through FA/Trades (Jason Thompson?)

    At any rate, hopefully we end up with someone that helps us improve next year in some way…

    • Jun 28, 20124:33 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Combination of him not having a clear position and I don’t think he’s had super impressive workouts. I think he’s probably a top 15 player talent-wise and will be a solid find if he lasts into the 20s.

      • Jun 28, 20125:06 pm
        by acr

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        Is the not having a clear position thing based upon his game more than his size?  That’s what I don’t get, how is he a “tweener” while Robinson is not?  (Not implying that’s what you think, just general consensus).  He has a lot of the same attributes as Robinson, but can handle it and shoot it a bit better. Though, I’ll grant that Robinson’s motor is off the charts compared to T. Jones, which may contribute to the less than stellar workout performances.  It’s probably cliché because of the left-handed thing, but Jones reminds me a lot of Josh Smith.  I agree that he’ll be solid at least, but think he could surprise some people and be one of the top players from this draft class.

        • Jun 28, 20125:14 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          To be honest, I just think it’s the nature of draft workouts. Robinson is exactly the type of guy who would be amazing in workouts — great physique, athleticism, intensity and his work ethic would show through as he goes through drills. Jones is more laid back, less impressive physique and I could see that getting mistaken for him being lackadaisical or whatever. Jones hasn’t seemed to ‘wow’ people, but he also hasn’t had anything real negative said about him either. He’s just the type of player who is much more impressive in actual game action than when you see him working out or going through drills. Again, that’s just speculation on my part, but I think gym rat monsters like T Rob tend to really improve their stock in predraft workouts while guys like Jones tend to not stand out all that much. In this draft, there’s not a whole lot of difference between who will go in the 10ish range and who goes in the 20ish range, so Jones probably just fell a tad behind some of those guys who rose with workouts.

          Wouldn’t be a shock to still see him go in the lottery, but if he’s still there when the Celtics pick, no way he gets past them.

          • Jun 28, 20125:22 pm
            by acr

            Thanks for the replies… I’m sure pistonpowered is going to be blowing up with comments tonight.  Here’s hoping we get someone who turns out to be a good ballplayer…

  • Jun 28, 20124:37 pm
    by Steve K

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    Patrick, 
    I definitely agree with your logic on a wing falling in lieu of a big man. Do big men — with no injury concerns — EVER fall? And with the emphasis on PGs in the league right now, it’s likely that wing would be the least-sexy position to draft.

    Furthermore, there’s been a string of underperforming SF lottery picks recently:

    Derrick Williams in 2011 (already on the trading block?!)
    Wesley Johnson in 2010
    Al-Farouq Aminu in 2010 (already traded once)

  • Jun 28, 20124:46 pm
    by Coach_Ackley

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    I love the idea of Barnes falling but let’s face it it’s a pipe dream… I can see Drummond falling though reason: NOH Davis
    Cats: T-Rob
    WSH: Beal
    Cavs: Barnes - cuz they really need a scorng wing
    Kings: Henson
    Por:    Lillard
    GSW:  MKG
    Raps:   Waiters
    Det:    Drummond

    Now that is how I see the top 9 picks but we all have an idea on how the draft will go but we all know tht we will never be right anyhow cuz you always have that 1 team that wants to screw everything up…

  • Jun 28, 20125:01 pm
    by Crispus

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    I think #9 is a horrible place to be for the Pistons. At that point all the raw talent is very risky and picking for need means overpaying. It sounds like Houston might move up to 5. In that case our best hope to trade out of limbo is Boston at 21 and 22. Since Boston’s entire roster is going to free agency, they might be willing to take some of the players we have under contract but don’t really need. If we are down there we can try to get the Leonards/Sullingers/Moultries/Melos/Whites that slip through the cracks of this very deep draft and nab two of them at once.

  • Dec 26, 20125:21 am
    by TheoWalcot

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    I definitely agree with your logic on a wing falling in lieu of a big man. Do big men — with no injury concerns — EVER fall? And with the emphasis on PGs in the league right now, it’s likely that wing would be the least-sexy position to draft.

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