Comments on: Tayshaun Prince not ready to cede big role

By: Max

Max — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:48:21 +0000

Please, he’s a non-starter, poor defender, undependable and probably isn’t capable of playing as many minutes as Tay without breaking down regularly. On the other side, Prince is asked to contribute in every facet of basketball and be their first option to guard players like Kobe.
BTW: I know of no metric that can accurately produce a list of the league’s true top players and none of them even come close.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:09:42 +0000

by any metric, dunleavy is having a better year than prince. it’s not even close.

By: Max

Max — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:09:28 +0000

@Frankie D…..there is a posted article. It is very frustrating when you act sarcastic and say and i’m paraphrasing “uhhh, what he specifically said was that he took the money and ran” when you are just going to rant about the your opinion in general and not what Prince said. It is even more frustrating when you later say that Prince’s actual quotes are irrelevant as if you somehow know what he is thinking and when his quotes were the entire focus of the post.
As for Dunleavy over Prince. What a joke.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:57:26 +0000

“…what player did they have a realistic shot of getting on their roster that is better at the SF position than Tayshaun?”
totally irrelevant. just as tay’s statements about signing because he always thought the team could turn things around.
absolutely irrelevant.
tay’s statement is aspirational. hopefully, one day, the team will turn around and i will be part of it.
whoop dee dam do.
right now the team has been in the lottery for 3 years – counting this year.
it has not and will not be turned around for a couple of years. at least.
cold hard fact. he took the money and stayed. good move on his part. sucks for pistons’ fans.
what other player could the pistons have signed?
who knows? contract negotiations are fluid and unique circumstances. CV got a contract that pays him an average of almost 8 million a year for 5 years. at the same time, brandon bass signed a contract for half that amount with orlando. is CV a better player than brandan bass? which player would you rather have, bass or CV? how could two players get those contracts, considering their respective abilities? why did detroit sign CV and let bass go elsewhere for half the money? any rational person can see that bass is a better player. (and i’m aware that bass duplicates lots of what maxiell does. and that may have been a factor in how detroit dealt with the two free agents at the time.)
who knows what players may have signed and who knows what they would have signed for.
imho, they didn’t need to sign any free agents. imho, they would have been better off trying to sign singler, playing daye, moving stuckey up to the 3 for minutes, and playing JJ more at the 3. SF was not a pressing problem. and if it turned out to be one, there are always wing players out there – free agency, d-league – that you can pick up for a pittance.
the team would have been much better off trying to stay under the cap so they could pick up cheap young players that teams are trying to get rid of for whatever reason.
portland just picked jj hickson up off waivers.
spaights got moved because memphis could pick him up without having to send a player to philly. byron mullins the same way. every year, several young players get moved that way. strategically using cap space in that fashion is much better than tying up cap space, for years, with old, declining talent. especially when that team is supposedly rebuilding.
detroit fans made the exact same argument when joe signed BG and CV.
i remember clearly, all of the arguments: they were the best players available….who else should he have signed?
well…how’s that working out for the team?
by the way…just to throw one name out there who would have been a much better pickup for detroit: mike dunleavy. cost half as much, for half the years and he’s having a much better season then tay.
signing tay to that contract was one of the most ridiculous things joe has done. and considering all of the ridiculous things he’s done lately, that is saying something.

By: apa8ren9

apa8ren9 — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:01:00 +0000

Another wow Frankie. I thought we were talking about why he resigned. Where did you get all of that?. Focus, dude focus.
Please refresh my memory, what player did they have a realistic shot of getting on their roster that is better at the SF position than Tayshaun? That question is so funny I cant think of anyone because Im LOLing so much.

By: Max

Max — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:30:59 +0000

Also, while Tay said he would have taken less money to join a contender if he didn’t believe in the Pistons, that does not indicate how much money Prince could have received on the open market. The statement implies that he would reduce his options to the contenders, as in the teams that are way over the cap and couldn’t sign him to a healthy contract. The statement also implies, once again, that Prince is placing winning over money since he wouldn’t consider the teams that have cap space since they are bad teams.

By: Max

Max — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:27:26 +0000

You are the one twisting his words. He made no admission as you suggest. For me at this point, this debate has nothing to do with Dumars, the Pistons or even Prince’s inner rationale . If you take him at his word, he did not say what you are saying he said in any way. If you say, of course he wants the money despite what he said, you may be right, but you are speculating and calling him a liar. I didn’t twist his words at all and you refuse to address the first sentence of his statement since you don’t seem willing to concede acknowledge the points that don’t fit the way you wish to frame things.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:08:32 +0000

LOLOLOL!
hilarious!!
this is essentially the same line of thinking that dumars apologists have been laying out since the AI trade.
first, it was wait until AI is gone….
then it was wait until the cap space is used…
then, it was wait until CV and BG get acclimated…
then, it was wait until rip gets dumped….
then it was wait until karen sells the team and joe d doesn’t have the handcuffs on him any more….
then it was wait until frank puts in his system…
now, its the tay transition and the new rules….
so what is going to be the new excuse this off-season?
using the amnesty clause? transitioning in the post-ben wallace era? c’mon, be creative…
you have to come up with a new excuse that you can flog for the next year or so. i am really curious as to what it will be.
remember charlie brown and lucy and the football?….
how stupid do you think fans are?
by the way…this is really funny:
“They could not get a better player. ”
really? couldn’t get a better player for 30 million for 4 years. if that is true, how come no one else was offering tay that much money? obviously, other teams thought they could get better players for that amount as no one else offered him that money.
it’s delicious that tay has confirmed what many thought – that joe d gave him more money than he was offered elsewhere – and now folks are trying to twist his admission into a scenario where tay is somehow noble and loyal for accepting the biggest contract offered.
heck, i don’t blame tay at all. only a fool would turn down the deal joe offered.
the question is why a sane GM would sign tay to that contract under these circumstances. that is why just about everyone outside of a small cadre of deluded pistons’ fans were scratching their heads when details of the signing were announced.

By: apa8ren9

apa8ren9 — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:48:17 +0000

ok, from that post I have been able to finally discern that you are not a Pistons fan. Now all of your posts make more sense.

By: apa8ren9

apa8ren9 — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:36:34 +0000

Wow, it really is amazing how the same words can be interpreted differently. Tayshaun signed here because he wanted to stay, got paid and gets to play. What is not to like as a player in that situation. Cant blame him for that. As for the Pistons. They could not get a better player. He will help them transition their young players, help with their professionalism(that can be debated) but also links a great time in Piston history to a new era. I think that fits the bill for the Pistons when they are trying to sell tickets and get better at the same time. Its their way of rebuilding. At this point in time right after the lockout, its the best and only options they had. At least that is what I believe. There will be lots of different options in the off season now that they have had time to digest the new rules and let the new owner get used to running the team and making decisions.