Comments on: Pistons: Charlie Villanueva working hard, in ‘really good shape’ http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 22 May 2013 01:49:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62482 frankie d Wed, 04 Apr 2012 00:55:31 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62482 you're so freakin stupid you can't discern the difference between simply trying to recoup part of one's investment and actually "liking" or "loving" a player. my view of CV has not changed and it probably never will change. he is who he is.  i don't like him as a player and never will.  that is irrelevant. but the only thing dumber that you is the idea that teams should simply bury players without trying to find someway to either use them or move them in a trade.  and if CV doesn't play, the team will never be able to move him. and devoting the rest of the season to trying to re-establish some value for him is worth a few more losses and it is definitely worth sitting ben w. you’re so freakin stupid you can’t discern the difference between simply trying to recoup part of one’s investment and actually “liking” or “loving” a player.
my view of CV has not changed and it probably never will change.
he is who he is.  i don’t like him as a player and never will.  that is irrelevant.
but the only thing dumber that you is the idea that teams should simply bury players without trying to find someway to either use them or move them in a trade.  and if CV doesn’t play, the team will never be able to move him.
and devoting the rest of the season to trying to re-establish some value for him is worth a few more losses and it is definitely worth sitting ben w.

]]> By: Bygdygod http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62479 Bygdygod Wed, 04 Apr 2012 00:29:50 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62479 PHAHAHA! Now u lovin Charlie V!! I think I've proven my point. PHAHAHA! Now u lovin Charlie V!! I think I’ve proven my point.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62476 frankie d Wed, 04 Apr 2012 00:01:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62476 "So you say continue the mistake by playing him?? Jus to show what exactly??" unhh...he's making a lot of money and if i were the pistons i'd like to get some kind of return on my investment.  sitting him without attempting to showcase his skills - scoring - makes little sense. a competent nba coach should at least attempt to find some way to use the acknowledged nba skills he does possess. he is, for a big man, an extraordinary shooter.  it's worth at least a try to figure out some way to use that skill.  or to showcase that skill so that someone else might want to use that skill. he is, after all, going to make a heckuva lot of money over the next two years. “So you say continue the mistake by playing him?? Jus to show what exactly??”
unhh…he’s making a lot of money and if i were the pistons i’d like to get some kind of return on my investment.  sitting him without attempting to showcase his skills – scoring – makes little sense.
a competent nba coach should at least attempt to find some way to use the acknowledged nba skills he does possess.
he is, for a big man, an extraordinary shooter.  it’s worth at least a try to figure out some way to use that skill.  or to showcase that skill so that someone else might want to use that skill.
he is, after all, going to make a heckuva lot of money over the next two years.

]]> By: Bygdygod http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62467 Bygdygod Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:09:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62467 *when we are *when we are

]]> By: Bygdygod http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62466 Bygdygod Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:08:01 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62466 Again you post outrageous an stupid comments...JOE MADE A MISTAKE with CV..DUH!! So you say continue the mistake by playing him?? Jus to show what exactly??? L Frank is trying to WIN an he feels cv does not give him the best chance to win. DUH!! I mean your arguments are jus ridiculous Play the guy because he makes more money than the others. Yeah that makes sense?!!? Joe thought the 25 yr old guy could turn into sumthin HE DIDN'T...GET OVER IT! Now if you want critize the signing of cv I'm there with you. BAD MOVE. But to play him after you discover the mistake. That would not be smart. An by the way EVERY GM MAKES MISTAKES. Joe has the next two years to right this ship. So get over it. An we are contenders again mybe u can find another team to bad mouth Again you post outrageous an stupid comments…JOE MADE A MISTAKE with CV..DUH!! So you say continue the mistake by playing him?? Jus to show what exactly??? L Frank is trying to WIN an he feels cv does not give him the best chance to win. DUH!! I mean your arguments are jus ridiculous Play the guy because he makes more money than the others. Yeah that makes sense?!!? Joe thought the 25 yr old guy could turn into sumthin HE DIDN’T…GET OVER IT! Now if you want critize the signing of cv I’m there with you. BAD MOVE. But to play him after you discover the mistake. That would not be smart. An by the way EVERY GM MAKES MISTAKES. Joe has the next two years to right this ship. So get over it. An we are contenders again mybe u can find another team to bad mouth

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62451 frankie d Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:09:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62451 gee...then i guess the guy who gave CV around 40 million must really be an idiot!!!! yea, he shoots 3's.  it's a skill that can be used in some capacity during the course of a basketball game.  it's the job of a good coach - and the organization that gave him 40 million dollars - to find some way to incorporate that skill, as limited as it can be, in some fashion. pretty freaking simple.  and anyone who cannot understand the simple logic of using something that you are paying for,  giving a lot of money to, is a total idiot. of course, only geniuses pay someone 40 million dollars and then sit him in a corner and let him rot!!! that is truly the smart thing to do!   ...and come to think of it, i'm sure that was joe d's plan all along!!! why didn't i realize it! his plan all along was to give 40 million dollars to a useless piece of dung player, so he could easily waste all of that money in a very efficient fashion!!! why didn't i think of that before!!! thanks for pointing out exactly what joe d's brilliant plan was!!   foolish me!!  Ah's just too stuupid to understand such genius logic.  my bad!!! gee…then i guess the guy who gave CV around 40 million must really be an idiot!!!!
yea, he shoots 3′s.  it’s a skill that can be used in some capacity during the course of a basketball game.  it’s the job of a good coach – and the organization that gave him 40 million dollars – to find some way to incorporate that skill, as limited as it can be, in some fashion.
pretty freaking simple. 
and anyone who cannot understand the simple logic of using something that you are paying for,  giving a lot of money to, is a total idiot.
of course, only geniuses pay someone 40 million dollars and then sit him in a corner and let him rot!!!
that is truly the smart thing to do!  
…and come to think of it, i’m sure that was joe d’s plan all along!!!
why didn’t i realize it!
his plan all along was to give 40 million dollars to a useless piece of dung player, so he could easily waste all of that money in a very efficient fashion!!!
why didn’t i think of that before!!!
thanks for pointing out exactly what joe d’s brilliant plan was!!   foolish me!!  Ah’s just too stuupid to understand such genius logic.  my bad!!!

]]> By: rick77 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62447 rick77 Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:24:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62447 Now that's a fact I will not dispute. Classic Now that’s a fact I will not dispute. Classic

]]> By: rick77 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62446 rick77 Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:21:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62446 Why is it you always have to try and talk down like you know more when all you have to do is state your point without all the extra emphasis. Again at the end of the statement I said enlighten me. No where in did I say reprimand me because you felt as if I did not approach the topic accordingly. Since you so damn smart what coaching tree is Phil Jackson from, Pat Riley, Doc Rivers, Rudy Tomjanovich? Larry Brown coached just about every team in the league so I think using him as an example is not fair because of your bias because he won his only title here. Dean Smith is a great coach but by using your logic that would make Michael Jordan a great coach in the wings instead of GM, right? You have your opinion and I have mine and the real kicker in this whole issue is that I am no Knight fan, but I think that people change. People have to evolve and if a player came through him and he has been progressive in his approach(as it relates to coaching) I  may take that chance and go outside the box to see how it works. Personally speaking I am not afraid of change nor discipline and I feel alot of young players need that. The key is to know what buttons to push. another thing is I just wanted to argue the fact that just because you are coached by someone does not make you the same as that coach. I can go on and on with other examples as to why that statement is shallow and leaves to much for open interpetation but I will leave it at that. Why is it you always have to try and talk down like you know more when all you have to do is state your point without all the extra emphasis. Again at the end of the statement I said enlighten me. No where in did I say reprimand me because you felt as if I did not approach the topic accordingly.

Since you so damn smart what coaching tree is Phil Jackson from, Pat Riley, Doc Rivers, Rudy Tomjanovich? Larry Brown coached just about every team in the league so I think using him as an example is not fair because of your bias because he won his only title here.

Dean Smith is a great coach but by using your logic that would make Michael Jordan a great coach in the wings instead of GM, right? You have your opinion and I have mine and the real kicker in this whole issue is that I am no Knight fan, but I think that people change. People have to evolve and if a player came through him and he has been progressive in his approach(as it relates to coaching) I  may take that chance and go outside the box to see how it works.

Personally speaking I am not afraid of change nor discipline and I feel alot of young players need that. The key is to know what buttons to push. another thing is I just wanted to argue the fact that just because you are coached by someone does not make you the same as that coach. I can go on and on with other examples as to why that statement is shallow and leaves to much for open interpetation but I will leave it at that.

]]> By: steve battle creek, mi http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62444 steve battle creek, mi Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:42:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62444 so your saying play a guy OVER other guys STRICTLY BASED ON HIS SALARY???  that makes NO SENSE at all!  so if CV makes 7.5 mil and Max makes 5mil, play CV?  even thou Max has been having a really solid year!  WOW!!! talk about losing the lockerroom!  you say CV is talented, but in the next breath you never wanted him and he's been "stumbling around since Uconn".   But you say play him over JJ, Max and Body Wallace??  or mybe he can showcase something for another team??  hes been in the league over 5yrs, EVERY team knows what he is and does....SHoots threes, get pushed around on D, SOFT.   FRANKIE D YOU ARE DUMB AND JUST POST STUPID STUFF.    so your saying play a guy OVER other guys STRICTLY BASED ON HIS SALARY???  that makes NO SENSE at all!  so if CV makes 7.5 mil and Max makes 5mil, play CV?  even thou Max has been having a really solid year!  WOW!!! talk about losing the lockerroom!  you say CV is talented, but in the next breath you never wanted him and he’s been “stumbling around since Uconn”.   But you say play him over JJ, Max and Body Wallace??  or mybe he can showcase something for another team??  hes been in the league over 5yrs, EVERY team knows what he is and does….SHoots threes, get pushed around on D, SOFT.   FRANKIE D YOU ARE DUMB AND JUST POST STUPID STUFF.   

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-62437 frankie d Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:04:20 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/pistons-charlie-villanueva-working-hard-in-really-good-shape/#comment-62437 why play CV? because he's occupying a roster spot and taking up lots of space under the cap. it makes no sense, imho, to simply bury a player, and it makes a lot more sense to try to find someway, somehow to use that player. why play CV? take a look at the pistons' roster and salary structure: rip - 5.5 million CV - 7.5 million terrico white - 800,000 almost 14 million dollars of cap space that has been wasted this year.  14 million dollars that could have been used on all sorts of transactions that could have benefitted the team. it simply makes sense to try to get some return on a part of that 7.5 million you are paying to CV, as you can't recover any value from over 6 million dollars in salary going out. i've disliked CV since he stumbled around in a connecticut uniform.  i hated it when detroit signed him. but he's here and he's probably not going anywhere for a couple more years.  imho, it's better to try to find someway, somehow to get something out of him, rather than just calling him names and burying him on the bench. both he and the team will be better off.  if he plays well and contributes great.  if he shows anything, he might pique the interest of some team somewhere who'd be willing to trade for him.  giving him the old gordie howe mushroom treatment does nothing for his value and insures that he'll be an expensive seat warmer for the next 2 years.   why play CV?
because he’s occupying a roster spot and taking up lots of space under the cap.
it makes no sense, imho, to simply bury a player, and it makes a lot more sense to try to find someway, somehow to use that player.
why play CV?
take a look at the pistons’ roster and salary structure:
rip – 5.5 million
CV – 7.5 million
terrico white – 800,000
almost 14 million dollars of cap space that has been wasted this year.  14 million dollars that could have been used on all sorts of transactions that could have benefitted the team.
it simply makes sense to try to get some return on a part of that 7.5 million you are paying to CV, as you can’t recover any value from over 6 million dollars in salary going out.
i’ve disliked CV since he stumbled around in a connecticut uniform.  i hated it when detroit signed him.
but he’s here and he’s probably not going anywhere for a couple more years.  imho, it’s better to try to find someway, somehow to get something out of him, rather than just calling him names and burying him on the bench.
both he and the team will be better off.  if he plays well and contributes great.  if he shows anything, he might pique the interest of some team somewhere who’d be willing to trade for him.  giving him the old gordie howe mushroom treatment does nothing for his value and insures that he’ll be an expensive seat warmer for the next 2 years.
 

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