Comments on: Lawrence Frank uses the Lions as an example of how to close a season strong http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 03:31:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63780 tarsier Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:36:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63780 You're sorta right. Cousins is behind Monroe in APG for the season. But it's not by a huge margin: 2.4 to 1.8 is all. But since the coaching change for the Kings, that is yet another area in which DMC has outdone Monroe with an APG of 2.5 to Greg's 2.2. Still, Cousins has clearly far outplayed Monroe since having a coach he gets along with. Monroe may still be the better player to have on a team, but he is definitely not playing as well of late. You’re sorta right. Cousins is behind Monroe in APG for the season. But it’s not by a huge margin: 2.4 to 1.8 is all. But since the coaching change for the Kings, that is yet another area in which DMC has outdone Monroe with an APG of 2.5 to Greg’s 2.2.

Still, Cousins has clearly far outplayed Monroe since having a coach he gets along with. Monroe may still be the better player to have on a team, but he is definitely not playing as well of late.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63768 Max Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:04:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63768 No way Cousins averages more assists than Monroe.  That guy never passes and he's the worst teammate imaginable. No way Cousins averages more assists than Monroe.  That guy never passes and he’s the worst teammate imaginable.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63741 tarsier Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:57:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63741 Reggie Miller was a comparable player to Ray Allen. So no, not a franchise player. Reggie Miller was a comparable player to Ray Allen. So no, not a franchise player.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63740 tarsier Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:51:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63740 Cousins may be something of a head case, but there is no debating that right now, he is a better player than Monroe. He plays a bit better on D (doesn't take much) and puts up better stats in every cat except FG% than Monroe for the season... and that includes before the coaching change. Since the change, which wasn't that far from when Monroe started slumping a bit, DMC has been killing Greg statistically. Cousins may be something of a head case, but there is no debating that right now, he is a better player than Monroe. He plays a bit better on D (doesn’t take much) and puts up better stats in every cat except FG% than Monroe for the season… and that includes before the coaching change. Since the change, which wasn’t that far from when Monroe started slumping a bit, DMC has been killing Greg statistically.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63716 Max Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:48:23 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63716 Reggie was only a franchise player for the Pacers.  It was a unique situation, Miller never won and it's debatable whether a team with him as the best player could win a title.  With a franchise player, it should be more obvious.   Durant and LBJ haven't won yet and may never, but I don't think it's any way wrong to say that each player is easily good enough to be the best player on a team that could win.  That's a franchise player. Reggie was only a franchise player for the Pacers.  It was a unique situation, Miller never won and it’s debatable whether a team with him as the best player could win a title.  With a franchise player, it should be more obvious.   Durant and LBJ haven’t won yet and may never, but I don’t think it’s any way wrong to say that each player is easily good enough to be the best player on a team that could win.  That’s a franchise player.

]]> By: Anthony http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63651 Anthony Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:12:28 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63651 Was Reggi Miller a franchise player? Was Reggi Miller a franchise player?

]]> By: Haan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63641 Haan Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:29:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63641 Sounds like there's no disagreement between you and me, Patrick, concerning optimal results and likely outlook.  I wonder if Frank and Dumars have frank conversations or if the posturing continues during the course of planning.  I do hope they become hard-headed realists with each other once in a while.  Otherwise spin dictates decision-making. Sounds like there’s no disagreement between you and me, Patrick, concerning optimal results and likely outlook.  I wonder if Frank and Dumars have frank conversations or if the posturing continues during the course of planning.  I do hope they become hard-headed realists with each other once in a while.  Otherwise spin dictates decision-making.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63628 Max Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:05:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63628 Well, you said "not close."   I disagree about Cousins and think Monroe could be in the in conversation for 4th best center although I wouldn't really argue with anyone who put Noah, Chandler, Jefferson, Gortat or a healthy Bogut or Hotford ahead of him.  They are not healthy though so that would put Monroe between 4th to 8th this year at center which is close to being a top three center.  Also, it is debatable whether Bynum should be called a franchise player because he is so injury prone and volatile.  I for one would not think of trading Monroe for Bynum.  Only Howard or Gasol would be worth the Pistons trading Monroe. At power forward, it is hard to project just what Monroe would be doing and he's not playing power forward so it's not really right to rank him. Well, you said “not close.”   I disagree about Cousins and think Monroe could be in the in conversation for 4th best center although I wouldn’t really argue with anyone who put Noah, Chandler, Jefferson, Gortat or a healthy Bogut or Hotford ahead of him.  They are not healthy though so that would put Monroe between 4th to 8th this year at center which is close to being a top three center.  Also, it is debatable whether Bynum should be called a franchise player because he is so injury prone and volatile.  I for one would not think of trading Monroe for Bynum.  Only Howard or Gasol would be worth the Pistons trading Monroe.
At power forward, it is hard to project just what Monroe would be doing and he’s not playing power forward so it’s not really right to rank him.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63625 Patrick Hayes Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:43:47 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63625 <p>Those Hawks series were the worst to watch. Hideous uniforms, Christian Laettner ... blah.</p> <p>I agree with you on Hill ... he was a fantastic player on the court, and had the added superstar element in that he was a national pitchman/revenue generator. Pistons haven't ever had anyone like that. Isiah was pretty much always hated outside Detroit.</p> <p>As for Monroe, what position are you considering him?</p> <p>If he's a C, Dwight, Bynum, Marc Gasol and Cousins are probably better right now, plus Noah, Chandler, Gortat, Ibaka and healthy Bogut and Horford are all in that mix somewhere too. Greg and Hibbert are  probably in that group somewhere, but not sure where I'd put either of them. Definitely not top five though. Maybe six. Maybe.</p> <p>If he's a PF, Pau Gasol, Dirk, Love, Blake, Josh Smith, Jefferson and even Duncan and KG still. He'd probably be even lower on the PF list than the C list.</p> <p>Not a knock on Monroe, I still think he has loads of potential, but he's still a major work in progress. Until his D even gets to average, he's not in the convo with the top bigs in the league.</p> Those Hawks series were the worst to watch. Hideous uniforms, Christian Laettner … blah.

I agree with you on Hill … he was a fantastic player on the court, and had the added superstar element in that he was a national pitchman/revenue generator. Pistons haven’t ever had anyone like that. Isiah was pretty much always hated outside Detroit.

As for Monroe, what position are you considering him?

If he’s a C, Dwight, Bynum, Marc Gasol and Cousins are probably better right now, plus Noah, Chandler, Gortat, Ibaka and healthy Bogut and Horford are all in that mix somewhere too. Greg and Hibbert are  probably in that group somewhere, but not sure where I’d put either of them. Definitely not top five though. Maybe six. Maybe.

If he’s a PF, Pau Gasol, Dirk, Love, Blake, Josh Smith, Jefferson and even Duncan and KG still. He’d probably be even lower on the PF list than the C list.

Not a knock on Monroe, I still think he has loads of potential, but he’s still a major work in progress. Until his D even gets to average, he’s not in the convo with the top bigs in the league.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-uses-the-lions-as-an-example-of-how-to-close-a-season-strong/comment-page-1/#comment-63624 Max Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:38:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9744#comment-63624 Yes, and on that score, Frank might be trying to inspire players like Monroe, Knight and Stuckey by telling them they can be those guys. Yes, and on that score, Frank might be trying to inspire players like Monroe, Knight and Stuckey by telling them they can be those guys.

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