Comments on: Lawrence Frank for Coach of the Year http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:43:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: gordbrown http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65215 gordbrown Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:26:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65215 Everybody knows what happened over the past five years. Gravity happened. Players get old, lose their hops, wind up amnestied and then injured for the rest of the year. Having said that, the Pistons have been frustrating insofar as they have been a better team than their record says for at least the past two years (that is under Kuester). Better enough to make the playoffs? Well let's not get crazy. But better enough to show some progress? I think so. All that could be expected of Frank this year was to get the team pointed in a better direction. It is undeniable that he did that (a team that can jump from playing a significant part of the season at less than .200 to one that plays a respectable .500 for a greater part of the season is definitely improving). Having said that Bynum and Daye have been truly awful when they play and hopefully they will either learn from that and improve or they will move on and be replaced by something better. This team has undeniable needs but at least it has a core and rid itself of some of its bad habits. That's a start. Everybody knows what happened over the past five years. Gravity happened. Players get old, lose their hops, wind up amnestied and then injured for the rest of the year. Having said that, the Pistons have been frustrating insofar as they have been a better team than their record says for at least the past two years (that is under Kuester). Better enough to make the playoffs? Well let’s not get crazy. But better enough to show some progress? I think so. All that could be expected of Frank this year was to get the team pointed in a better direction. It is undeniable that he did that (a team that can jump from playing a significant part of the season at less than .200 to one that plays a respectable .500 for a greater part of the season is definitely improving). Having said that Bynum and Daye have been truly awful when they play and hopefully they will either learn from that and improve or they will move on and be replaced by something better. This team has undeniable needs but at least it has a core and rid itself of some of its bad habits. That’s a start.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65198 frankie d Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:51:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65198 shhhh...john... some of the delusional fans here don't like you to point out cold hard realities about the team. they'd rather continue on as though the last 5 years haven't happened. that frank is actually the next chuck daly, even though his record screams something else.   and that with another mid-lottery pick, the team will be right back in the mix for contending. frank has been exactly what he's been his entire career: a mediocre coach. he's done some good things - let knight play, put maxiell and monroe in positions where they could contribute - but he's also done some incomprehensible things.  and the result is right in front of our noses. for instance, the team has been horrible offensively.  one of the worst in the league. but he effectively buried a 4th of his roster this year, gluing guys to the bench, guys who could have helped offensively. bynum, CV, daye and macklin.  all guys who have offensive skills and who obviously have defensive deficiencies.  other team's announcers have joked about frank's hugely populated doghouse and how it has been almost impossible for certain guys to escape it. it is the job of a good coach to try to utilize the talent at his disposal.  burying guys, not really giving them a chance on the court, not figuring out some way to use guys with certain talents, while hiding their flaws, that it what bad coaches do.  good  coaches figure out someway, somehow to get even flawed players on the court so that you can exploit the good things they bring. it is easy and lazy to throw predictable vets out on the court because you know what they will do, even if they don't solve your real problems.  incredibly lazy and cowardly, imho, on the part of the coach. for instance, why didn't they ever try to use a zone defense that could have allowed guys like CV and daye and even macklin to get on the court so that you could exploit their offense while hiding their defensive liabilities? to paraphrase dennis green, frank is who we thought he was: a freakin mediocre nba coach.   the only folks who are surprised are the ones who havent been paying attention. shhhh…john…
some of the delusional fans here don’t like you to point out cold hard realities about the team.
they’d rather continue on as though the last 5 years haven’t happened.
that frank is actually the next chuck daly, even though his record screams something else.  
and that with another mid-lottery pick, the team will be right back in the mix for contending.
frank has been exactly what he’s been his entire career: a mediocre coach.
he’s done some good things – let knight play, put maxiell and monroe in positions where they could contribute – but he’s also done some incomprehensible things.  and the result is right in front of our noses.
for instance, the team has been horrible offensively.  one of the worst in the league.
but he effectively buried a 4th of his roster this year, gluing guys to the bench, guys who could have helped offensively.
bynum, CV, daye and macklin.  all guys who have offensive skills and who obviously have defensive deficiencies.  other team’s announcers have joked about frank’s hugely populated doghouse and how it has been almost impossible for certain guys to escape it.
it is the job of a good coach to try to utilize the talent at his disposal.  burying guys, not really giving them a chance on the court, not figuring out some way to use guys with certain talents, while hiding their flaws, that it what bad coaches do.  good  coaches figure out someway, somehow to get even flawed players on the court so that you can exploit the good things they bring.
it is easy and lazy to throw predictable vets out on the court because you know what they will do, even if they don’t solve your real problems.  incredibly lazy and cowardly, imho, on the part of the coach.
for instance, why didn’t they ever try to use a zone defense that could have allowed guys like CV and daye and even macklin to get on the court so that you could exploit their offense while hiding their defensive liabilities?
to paraphrase dennis green, frank is who we thought he was: a freakin mediocre nba coach.  
the only folks who are surprised are the ones who havent been paying attention.

]]> By: gordbrown http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65188 gordbrown Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:12:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65188 Don't feed the troll, Don't feed the troll, Don't feed the troll. Ah shit, can't help myself. Think about what you've written. If the Pistons have a statistically significant winning record against the teams that have losing records, then they are better than those teams (otherwise their record would be .500 against those teams). If the Pistons are docked for playing against teams without their best players, what about the other teams that got to play against teams without their best players (there was a lot of that going on this year)? What about games where the Pistons didn't have their best players? The Pistons largest problem this year was tight games on the road, which they proved unable to finish. Of course, that was their problem last year. The fix for this is not to draft the best overall rookie coming into next season. The fix for this is to a) live through this and learn and b) develop a reputation as winners so you don't get f***ed over by the referees as much as we've seen. Also improving as the season goes on is a sign of hope. A .500 record over half the season is a sign the team has come to a place where it can compete for a playoff spot. /endrant. Don’t feed the troll, Don’t feed the troll, Don’t feed the troll. Ah shit, can’t help myself. Think about what you’ve written. If the Pistons have a statistically significant winning record against the teams that have losing records, then they are better than those teams (otherwise their record would be .500 against those teams). If the Pistons are docked for playing against teams without their best players, what about the other teams that got to play against teams without their best players (there was a lot of that going on this year)? What about games where the Pistons didn’t have their best players? The Pistons largest problem this year was tight games on the road, which they proved unable to finish. Of course, that was their problem last year. The fix for this is not to draft the best overall rookie coming into next season. The fix for this is to a) live through this and learn and b) develop a reputation as winners so you don’t get f***ed over by the referees as much as we’ve seen. Also improving as the season goes on is a sign of hope. A .500 record over half the season is a sign the team has come to a place where it can compete for a playoff spot. /endrant.

]]> By: John http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65165 John Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:43:42 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65165 By my count Pistons are 14-6 against teams with a worse record than they have (the bottom 8). They are therefore, 10-35 versus the rest of the league. That is a shi**y record and absolutely, unequivocally, no reason for optimism. This team continues to be a mess, the Coach is not helping matters and I don't see any change in the near future. Some of those 10 wins include wins vs Magic and Boston without their top players playing...all of a sudden you are down to 6 or 7 wins on equal footing with teams that have a better record than them...pathetic. People need to realize this team is a true mess with no fix in sight. By my count Pistons are 14-6 against teams with a worse record than they have (the bottom 8). They are therefore, 10-35 versus the rest of the league. That is a shi**y record and absolutely, unequivocally, no reason for optimism. This team continues to be a mess, the Coach is not helping matters and I don’t see any change in the near future. Some of those 10 wins include wins vs Magic and Boston without their top players playing…all of a sudden you are down to 6 or 7 wins on equal footing with teams that have a better record than them…pathetic. People need to realize this team is a true mess with no fix in sight.

]]> By: BIGMARV http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65140 BIGMARV Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:58:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65140 Seriously I cant stop laughing.. and its not about frank its about this article seriosuly? I can tell the season is coming to another failure cause here comes the redicolusly outrageous stories. Seriously I cant stop laughing.. and its not about frank its about this article seriosuly? I can tell the season is coming to another failure cause here comes the redicolusly outrageous stories.

]]> By: MrHappyMushroom http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65139 MrHappyMushroom Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:02:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65139 He really hasn't been all that consistent.  He had a terrific two month stretch after a m'eh beginning and he's finished the season horribly. We can blame injuries. But that's what Stuckey is--a guy who gets hurt a lot.  Based on his first five years (which should be his healthiest), it seems like he'll be ready to go at all about 70-75 times a year, and likely limited in a number of those games.  It's just who he is.  He could be a valuable cog on a good team that doesn't rely upon him. But if he's your best player (or even second best), you're going to win 25-35 games a year for perpetuity. He really hasn’t been all that consistent.  He had a terrific two month stretch after a m’eh beginning and he’s finished the season horribly.
We can blame injuries. But that’s what Stuckey is–a guy who gets hurt a lot.  Based on his first five years (which should be his healthiest), it seems like he’ll be ready to go at all about 70-75 times a year, and likely limited in a number of those games.  It’s just who he is.  He could be a valuable cog on a good team that doesn’t rely upon him. But if he’s your best player (or even second best), you’re going to win 25-35 games a year for perpetuity.

]]> By: jerrific http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65120 jerrific Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:51:28 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65120 Stuckey just came back from an injury, which may be affecting him. Overall he's been far more consistent this season then he has in the past. And the veterans have no control over the fact that there was a coaching change, meaning a new system, with virtually no training camp to prepare for the regular season. Regardless of your experience that will affect players on the court. I think our improvement as the season progressed is pretty solid evidence of that.  You're right about Prince tho, that was a bad signing. Prince was great when he knew he was our fourth option; now he thinks he's the best player on the team, and he's probably the third at most. Stuckey just came back from an injury, which may be affecting him. Overall he’s been far more consistent this season then he has in the past. And the veterans have no control over the fact that there was a coaching change, meaning a new system, with virtually no training camp to prepare for the regular season. Regardless of your experience that will affect players on the court. I think our improvement as the season progressed is pretty solid evidence of that. 

You’re right about Prince tho, that was a bad signing. Prince was great when he knew he was our fourth option; now he thinks he’s the best player on the team, and he’s probably the third at most.

]]> By: Eric http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65119 Eric Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:40:47 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65119 Wth is up with all those training camps/ summer workout excuses for veteran players? Knight would be the only exception, since he's a rookie. Stuckey is inconsistent- Just look at his past 5 or so games. Prince is declining- Look at his age and his season stats. Wth is up with all those training camps/ summer workout excuses for veteran players? Knight would be the only exception, since he’s a rookie.

Stuckey is inconsistent- Just look at his past 5 or so games.

Prince is declining- Look at his age and his season stats.

]]> By: Eric http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65118 Eric Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:37:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65118 Ridiculous topic to discuss Ridiculous topic to discuss

]]> By: MNM http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-65111 MNM Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:36:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/04/lawrence-frank-for-coach-of-the-year/#comment-65111 You guys must be really bored, huh... You guys must be really bored, huh…

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