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Kyle Singler playing in Spain makes him more valuable

It’s been a while since I stirred up the small but vocal crowd of Pistons fans who are mad that Kyle Singler preferred more money, a guaranteed contract and playing time in Spain to the opportunity to back up Austin Daye with the Pistons. I’m fully supportive of Singler’s individual reasoning for waiting to join the NBA, but as Wendell Maxey of Ridiculous Upside points out, Singler playing in Spain is good for the Pistons as well:

Ask Kyle Singler if he made the right choice by deciding to finish out the season overseas instead of report to the Detroit Pistons once the lockout was resolved, and you will likely get a “yes” every time.

Joe Dumars may see it differently, but Singler made the right decision not only from a present basketball stand point but also in driving up his stock in the future. The options were simple: head into camp with the Pistons with a non-guaranteed deal and battle for a chance to likely sit the season on head coach Lawrence Frank’s bench as the team sinks below a .500 season mark, or parlay it all for a successful situation in Spain.

Jackpot.

After starting the season with Lucentum Alicante, the 6-foot-8 forward out of Duke inked with Real Madrid, where he’s appeared in 17 games. He’s shooting 60% from the field, while averaging 7.7 points and 2.2 rebounds per game in roughly 19 minutes per game. Solid.

Dumars may not agree with the way it went down, but he will come to appreciate Singler more next season in Detroit.

If Singler made himself a better player and more valuable prospect for the Pistons by improving and playing well in Spain, I can’t see how anyone could argue he made a bad decision.

25 Comments

  • Apr 5, 20122:47 pm
    by Mark

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    eh, I thought Singler was doing a lot better than that. He’s only avg 8 pts, 2 rebs, and 19 min?

    The initial reports made it sound like he was a star there. He probably couldve gotten 19 mpg here. To only be grabbing 2 boards in 20 minutes is a little troublesome too. He should be dominating over there.
    I still have hopes for Singler as a potential Prince replacement, but sounds like he might just be trying to avoid Detroit by staying there, because it doesn’t sound like he’s gaining any advantage playing-wise over there. Seeing those measly stats, not sure I want him anymore. As a 4 yr starter at Duke, playing against Class B competition, he should doing a lot better than that, imo. It’d be different if he were a  20 yr old one and done rookie.

    • Apr 5, 20122:53 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      He moved up a division though. I believe his previous team, he was playing a larger role and putting up bigger numbers. Now he’s with Real Madrid, which is the powerhouse franchise in Spain. He’s not playing as much because they have a loaded roster.

    • Apr 5, 20124:42 pm
      by jay_uno

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      lol kyle singler should be dominating? dominate what? the boards? the whole game?

      get real man

      • Apr 5, 20126:41 pm
        by Mark

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        You get real. He’s playing against subpar Euro’s that aren’t good enough to play in the NBA. He was a borderline 1st round pick, 4 yr starter at Duke and National Champion. Yes, he should be dominating those Euro’s.

        • Apr 6, 20122:00 am
          by jay_uno

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          lol, safe to say you are one of those people who thought deron williams is going to average a triple-double in turkey, or rubio is “all hype”.. lay off your stereotypes and we have a conversation..

          one more thing, being a ncaa champ means nothing in the pros.. there are guys who win in the ncaa and are too bad to play in europe

          singler is a role player, everywhere on this planet

  • Apr 5, 20123:02 pm
    by Max

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    Singler=No sense of appreciation for the Pistons drafting him and/or no sens of confidence he will make it in the NBA.  The only argument I will accept in defense of him was that he was scared he’d get cut in training camp and decided to cling to guaranteed money.  In such a case though, he’d be cowardly delusional.   There was a wide open hole for him on this team and he would probably have been playing Wilkins minutes all year if he had come.  He had a better shot of getting a lot of minutes this year than Enes Kanter in Utah since Kanter had 2 all star types and the previous year’s 3rd pick to beat out for time.   All Singler had in his way was Prince and Daye.  Also, he played four years for arguably the greatest college coach ever: he should be as ready as he is ever going to get.
    Take a survey of all the American players in the foreign leagues and the d-league and find out how many of them would jump at the chance to play in the NBA.
    And can anyone name me another American player who was drafted by an NBA team and opted for Europe?  It’s preposterous.   The man should be embarrassed and if he joins the NBA next year, the sophomores should mock him with trash talk and ask him why he was so scared.
    Also, 8 and 2 in 19 minutes in Europe doesn’t excite me in the least.

    • Apr 5, 20123:56 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Ha! Knew I could count on you to take the Singler bait.

    • Apr 6, 20127:26 pm
      by Pride4Ever

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      Nick Calathes was drafted by the Mavs a couple years ago and he skipped playing there to take an offer to play with Panathinaikos in Greece.  Also, Jon Diebler went to play for Panionios in Greece during the lockout and has since remained there, but Diebler would have most likely been demoted to play for his teams D-League affiliate.  Calathes has improved over the last couple seasons and could definitely produce in the NBA if and when he decides to come over. 

      • Apr 8, 20122:49 pm
        by Max

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        Okay, so Singler willingly joined the group of himself, Calathes and Diebler.  Wow, that’s pretty distinguished company.

        • Apr 9, 201210:53 pm
          by Pride4Ever

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          Don’t knock Calathes, that guy has some serious talent and ability.  Just look at what he did at Florida in his 2 years there.  He is a 6’6″ true PG with quality penetration skills, good court vision, and an improving 3 point shot.  The Mavs have been interested in luring him over for some time now.  Chandler Parsons played second fiddle to Calathes at Lake Howell HS and at UF when the two played together, and look at how successful Parsons has been as a rookie this year.  But I’ll agree with Diebler, he would only sit pine in the NBA at best. 

  • Apr 5, 20124:07 pm
    by Daye and Knight

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    If Singler decided to stay in Spain I wouldn’t care. 19 minutes and all he can do is average 7 and 2 against most players who wouldn’t have a shot in the NBA…I hope we trade his ungrateful ass to the Bobcats

  • Apr 5, 20124:08 pm
    by Corey

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    Did everyone forget the lockout? When he went to Spain he didn’t even know if there’d be an NBA season. Many times, teams want a 2nd round pick to go get experience in Europe before trying to make the roster.

    • Apr 5, 20124:25 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yep. In fact, the Pistons have routinely sent their second round picks overseas — Trent Plaisted, Alex Acker, Deron Washington to name a few. Maybe they wanted Singler to play immediately in this instance, but I fail to see how him getting solid minutes in arguably the best league in Europe is a bad thing.

      • Apr 5, 20124:46 pm
        by Daye and Knight

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        “Trent Plaisted, Alex Acker, Deron Washington to name a few”
        That list doesn’t make me any excited about Singlers potential
        All of the above is Singlers ceiling…I take back what I said eariler I hope we trade him to the Globetrotters what a joke lol

        • Apr 5, 20124:47 pm
          by Daye and Knight

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          *any more

        • Apr 5, 20124:56 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Singler is obviously a better prospect than those guys. My point is just that the Pistons have traditionally used Europe as a good way to get their second round picks bigger minutes/roles than they could get with the NBA club. In this instance, it doesn’t sound like they encouraged Singler to go to Europe, but I fail to see how they can be too upset by a prospect whose rights they own getting good minutes on arguably the best franchise in Europe.

  • Apr 5, 20125:18 pm
    by Daye and Knight

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    I know where you’re going with this and I can respect that, but 7 points and 2 rebounds in a league where the Pistons would probably win the championship with the roster we have is sad…all joking aside. We shouldn’t be upset that he’s getting more minutes; we should be upset he isn’t doing better. I was never fully in on Singler when we drafted him…in fact I was confused with the pick. If he’s any better than the guys you mentioned above it’s by a little margin IMO. The best franchise in Europe is a good start for him but I can’t get excited about his game when he’s only gettin 7ppg and 2 rbs when he could have gotten that here. He got his guaranteed money and I think that has a lot to do with it, but if he was worried about not earning a roster spot on this (dysfunctional at the time) team, then he knows what he’s worth and I don’t think its much. Tyler was there for the taking and we choose Kyle..I’ll shut up when he proves me wrong but I don’t see him doing much once he gets here

    • Apr 5, 20125:22 pm
      by Daye and Knight

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      If anything, I like the sound of Jonas Jerebko being our SF and if you include him, Prince and Daye added to the fact with one of our 2-3 picks we’ll likely end up with a SF, especially if Barnes falls to us, then Kyle really has no place here

  • Apr 5, 20125:31 pm
    by moe

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    i agree with hayes , also 19 minutes isnt as long as it seems. if anything kyle will have experience and by his playing style he’ll be a great sf because he can adapt well.

  • Apr 5, 20126:01 pm
    by MrBlockedShot

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    Frankly, I think it’s good  for Singler and for the Pistons that he’s playing overseas. Of course we can’t blame on him for getting a contract, money and minutes of play, in fact who would reject that? I don’t think he was going to get many minutes here so I ‘d rather have him playing minutes in one of the best teams in Europe, learning and maturing than have him on the bench or playing against D-League guys. Splitter, Scola, Pau Gasol&Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez, Navarro, Calderon, Nocioni, Ibaka..all of them came to the NBA from the Spanish league and have proven they’re NBA caliber players so in my opinion he is going to take more advantage of his time there than in the D-League. I’m from Spain, and as a Pistons fan I wasn’t so happy to see him going overseas at first. I wanted him to play for the Pistons right now. Nevertheless, having to compete with Prince, Daye, Jerebko for a spot in the rotation…was not good news for him in terms of getting it. If you think it carefully that was the best option for both. At first he played for a team were there was no preassure. He was given a lot of minutes and his stats reflected that. But then he moved to Madrid and he have been playing a more limited role there, with highger expectations and better teammates though.  He’s growing as a player and will be back to NBA sometime for sure. Don’t missunderstand his stats: NBA and ACB (Spanish league) are so different in terms of type of game, minutes played, et.

  • Apr 5, 20126:44 pm
    by Mark

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    Treeplay de Kyle-a Singular!!

  • Apr 6, 20122:15 am
    by Stuckey and whoever

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    Lets not forget Ricky Rubio’s Euro’s Trash team he played for.  The last two years over there HE DIDN”T EVEN AVERAGE 7 PPG in with over 20 minutes a game.  At least Singular won’t get hurt in the first season like that 6 foot 4 boy did.  Know your Euro trash before you hate on the trick shot specialist.  We need some Euro trash we could bring off the bench anyway, and you don’t think he could beat out Wilkins for the spot here??  psshhh.  Bring Singular and V – MACK ready to play next season. 

  • Apr 6, 20121:44 pm
    by Pride4Ever

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    I watch alot of Euroball, so I am quite familiar with the environment over there.  Singler first started the season with Alicante and he tore it up there, but they quite a weak team compared to the top 1/4 of the ACB league.  He then moved to Real Madrid who offered him a nice contract and has since been a serviceable starter.  Real Madrid is historically one of the best teams in Europe, but right now they are not even top 8.  Though they are still capable of beating some of the worst teams in the NBA on a regular basis.  Also, when Serge Ibaka played for the team during the lockout he was a bench player, so they do have some quality depth to their team.

      Austin Daye played in Russia during the lockout with Khimki, which is a weaker team than Real Madrid, and he put up worse numbers then what Singler is currently doing with Real.  The style play in Europe is also quite different than the NBA.  Jerebko is a guy who has actually played better in the NBA than he did in Italy.  Some people struggle adjusting to the style of play in Europe, which was seen by Deron Williams first games with Besiktas and Ty Lawson’s very mediocre play during the whole lockout with Zalgiris Kaunas where he was eventually demoted to the second option at PG. 

    Also for the above commenter, Barcelona is Rubio’s old team, is not only the best team in Spain but it is also one of the top 3 in Europe.  He was very inconsistent with Barca and they were stacked at the PG position, so that is what hurt him there.  And since his departure they have picked Marcelinho Huertas of Brasil who has been huge improvement at the position and in the past has led the ACB in assists.

  • Apr 8, 20122:52 pm
    by Max

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    If the Eurp style is so different, how can it be a better training ground for NBA prospects than even the d-league?

    • Apr 9, 201210:45 pm
      by Pride4Ever

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      I never made the claim that it was a better training ground.  Top leagues in Europe are a higher level of competition than the D-League but I do agree that in terms of development, especially with a guy the age of Singler, it would better serve him to play in NBA if that is his ultimate goal.  However, if he only stays over in Europe this season, I feel that it will not hurt his development all that much due to the compacted NBA season this year. 

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