Comments on: Charlie Villanueva would like to be playing more

By: warriorofcloud777

warriorofcloud777 — Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:15:09 +0000

All we could get for CharlieV is josh childress from the suns $6mil a year three more years, CharlieV is $7.5a year two more years. I don’t see childress becoming any sort of superstar. Its not like they would trade CharlieV for Frye or Gortat, they are way to valuable. If we trade CV to the magic it would be for Hedo Turkoglu age 33 and $11,015,850m a year for two more years. I’m more of a fan of amnesty or buying him out. I think we might be able to trade Ben Gorden to maybe boston, for a 1st or 2nd round pick (but we’d only do that if we’d want to go in the rebuilding route). But Joe needs to draft better, the 60th pick in the draft Isiah Thomas is a beast, haven’t seen Macklin play and Singler is doing well in Europe but still….Also if we traded Ben Gordon to a team that got a pick 21st or before we could have gotten Kenneth Faried, another beast. The pistons will cosistently be worse than average but not bad enough to get the first pick, unless we elect to rebuild. We should talk to the Magic and agree to buy out Rashard Lewis contract in agreement for their first overall pick….

By: matt

matt — Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:47:31 +0000

guys… let me settle the dust here. he gets amnestied in the off season and every problem goes away. The amnesty was designed with guys like Charlie Villanueva in mind. imo

By: apa8ren9

apa8ren9 — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:49:33 +0000

You are better than this Frankie, or maybe I'm ultimately convincing myself that you are. "ultimately, the knight-like method hurts the team. that means that in the short term he is might be somewhat successful – as happened in NJ – but in the long term – ultimately, his rigidity hurts a franchise." That is what you wrote, this is a definitive statement made by you. I disagreed with that and gave my opinion. "what i said was this: that rigid, stubborn, knight-like refusal to attempt to find some way around the issues CV presents, ultimately hurts the team". This is the other definitive statement that you wrote, I disagreed with this as well and gave my opinion. "do you have a crystal ball? can you look into the future to see what will ULTIMATELY happen? You wrote this Frankie. You know that I already addressed this particular point I said "Ultimately neither one of us knows for sure what is going to happen, we are giving our opinions that differ." This one was the most egregious Frankie. The entire statement in context was "I dont believe that I missed any important qualifiers in your statement. I believe I disagreed with them and explained why". And you actually accused me of cherry picking words. Lets get at it tomorrow dude. Have a nice night in the Great Northwest.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:41:51 +0000

one last thing about CV before i go out to watch the blazers play NJ tonight. i just want to see deron williams play.
i don’t like CV and hate having to defend him at all. but i just think it’s really a bad organizational move to ignore a guy who is eating up such a large part of the team’s salary cap. so if he can’t play, do what you need to do to try to get rid of his sorry a@@. and that means showcasing him – regardless of what you say – so teams can at least see that he is physically capable.
my guess is that frank doesn’t want to do that, and i don’t blame him on a certain level.
CV sucks. he’s an embarrassment to detroit pistons’ fans. and i imagine, the coach feels the same way about him. but sometimes the coach has to look at the longer term interests of the team and those interests probably lay in showcasing him so someone, anyone will take him off the pistons’ hands.
my guess is that frank is resisting doing that, and will resist it to his dying breath. instead of figuring out someway somehow that he could feed him 10 minutes or so a game till the end of the season, he’s saying screw that, if CV can’t do what we want/expect he aint playing.
imho, that is an example of that rigidity, the stubborness that a bobby knight would show. (and he’s shown that tendency in other ways, imho, most notably with daye.)
how about this: put in a simple zone defense that CV can fit into, bring it out almost solely for CV and see what happens. i know it is late in the year and it probably wouldn’t be a very good one, but who cares. it’ll just be a gimmick to get CV out on the floor and get him some shots and hopefully, he won’t be exposed too badly in a zone.
in fact, i could see an interesting lineup: monroe, surrounded by CV, daye, gordon and knight.
sort of like orlando’s offense, but better because monroe is an actual offensive threat. and you’d have 4 legit 3 point shooters surrounding him. somebody would get some open shots and somebody would probably get hot. it would be an interesting second unit to experiment with. the team needs scoring and you could probably get some points out of that lineup. and you could play those guys in a soft, sagging zone, and hopefully the opponent wouldn’t be too hot from the outside.
last point: do something different, something unusual, if necessary in order to get CV out there…so ultimately we can get rid of the bum.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:15:33 +0000

“I believe I disagreed with them and explained why.”
how can you disagree – or agree for that matter – about a contingency that has not even occurred yet?
hmmm…on the one hand, you say that you disagree…then you state that no one knows what will happen?
which is it?
do you have a crystal ball? can you look into the future to see what will ULTIMATELY happen?
pray tell…what is the next big lottery number?
who is going to win the presidency?
should i put 10.000 bucks on the heat to win the title?
my point is that ultimately certain events will happen. but we have to go through a process first, in order to see those things happen. we’ll see who is right or wrong, at the end of frank’s time as coach of the team. (or maybe before. but not until a lot more time and a lot more games have gone by. maybe by the end of next year we’ll have a much better idea about his success or failure. but that is not guaranteed by any stretch.)

By: apa8ren9

apa8ren9 — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:48:11 +0000

I dont believe that I missed any important qualifiers in your statement. I believe I disagreed with them and explained why.
I am very happy with the improvement that the Pistons have made over the last 29 games compared to the first 24. I am also excited that with another lottery pick and an improving Greg Monroe we can look to additional improvement. Ultimately neither one of us knows for sure what is going to happen, we are giving our opinions that differ. Ultimately if you start to compile a winning record and the team shows improvement defensively it leads to winning games.(without CV I might add) Then ultimately it will show we are trending towards becoming a good team with a winning record over the course of an entire season and that will ultimately become the barometer by which the “bobby night” coach/method as you described is measured. See ultimately when you start winning, then matters like CV playing time ultimately become unimportant.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:54:31 +0000

team to a certain level.
but the guys like larry brown and riley and daly and jackson and popovich occupy a different level of the coaching fraternity. i think rick carlisle is getting more flexible in his old age. and you won’t find a single bobby knight protoge among the bunch. there is a reason for that, and it has to do with maintaining a level of flexibility in dealing with players and circumstances that the bobby knight guys just don’t have.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:19:51 +0000

as is typical, you cherrypick words and forget important qualifiers. what i said was this: that rigid, stubborn, knight-like refusal to attempt to find some way around the issues CV presents, ultimately hurts the team. ultimately…ultimately…ultimately…. comprendez? ultimately, the knight-like method hurts the team. that means that in the short term he is might be somewhat successful – as happened in NJ – but in the long term – ultimately, his rigidity hurts a franchise. my own view is that he is a coach who will at best reach a plateau at mediocrity…somewhere a bit above .500, and a first round playoff exit in his best seasons. and i am sorry, but a 20-33 season, which is a winning percentage barely above last year, when you have another lottery pick and monroe taking his game to another level is nothing to be so darn proud of. it just goes to show how low the expectations of the fans are…that they would be happy about a freaking 20-33 record after the team had almost the exact same winning percentage last year. if he’s such a freaking good coach, i’d expect a heck of a lot more. rigid, predictable coaches will often take a

By: apa8ren9

apa8ren9 — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:50:34 +0000

Im glad that you think so highly of my statement, without stating that it was wrong or inaccurate. I didnt even know what type of influence I had over the league. I’ll view that as a point for me. One more thing on that, a perfectly reasonable practice does not equal the only practice.
In addition I did not say or imply that they were mediocre, in mediocrity, approaching mediocrity or anything like that. I said it the same as you copied it. The “bobby knight” approach as you described it has contributed to improvement in the Pistons. It has not hurt the team. The record is not evidence of a successful season, it is an indication of improvement over the 4-20 sample to start the season that indicated that they were worse than the teams that you listed.
What I am happy about, giddy even– is that they are improving, competitive and playing a style of basketball under a “bobby knight” coach as you describe that will win even more games as they get better players than CV.

By: Jodi Jezz

Jodi Jezz — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:07:19 +0000

If you know about basketball you would understand what I’m saying…Charlie is 26 or 27yrs old, he’s a 6’11 stretch 4, and he’s offensively talented…If Charlie V was traded to the Magic, Knicks, or Suns you would probably become a big time fan because his talents would really show…8mil a yr isn’t that bad at all and I believe Dumars could trade him if he wanted to!..Some people,”like you tarsier”, look at Gordon and CV and don’t take in account that they’ve played the lowest minutes of there career here plus we didn’t have a good COACH(Kuester) to make our team play to Gordon and CV’s strength…You have to know the game first before you start to judge players…