Comments on: Signs of quit fill Pistons’ loss to Knicks http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Thu, 23 May 2013 15:29:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61130 Max Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:48:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61130 @Frankie D   Since it's so easy to draft point guards or even combo guards, who are the players available who meet that definition in the lottery this year?   By my count, there are zero while there are plenty of bigs.   Also, it seems like the Pistons can stand pat and still get Drummond which would be fine by me. @Frankie D   Since it’s so easy to draft point guards or even combo guards, who are the players available who meet that definition in the lottery this year?   By my count, there are zero while there are plenty of bigs.   Also, it seems like the Pistons can stand pat and still get Drummond which would be fine by me.

]]> By: oats http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61046 oats Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:42:55 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61046 @Chris. I really disagree with you, and you are totally misrepresenting the facts on this. Washington only has 4 lottery picks on roster, the same number as the Pistons (Knight, Monroe, BG, CV). Charlotte does have a lot, 7 in fact. Miami also has 7. Dallas has 8. Minnesota leads the league with 9. At 24-26, Minnesota isn't exactly a powerhouse, but the 8th seed in the west is only 26-23, so they are totally in the hunt. A lot of their lottery picks aren't their own though (Beasley, Ridnour, Randolph, Webster, and Darko), and out of theirs only Wes Johnson looks disappointing. By the way, Minnesota has a core of lottery picks Ricky Rubio (pick 5), Kevin Love (pick 5), and Derrick Williams (pick 2) that looks pretty solid. I'd take that top 3 over what Detroit has on roster right now, although if Detroit's next lottery pick pans out that could easily go back in their favor. Still, it doesn't look like having a bunch of lottery picks is bad for business. Oh, and can someone name a contender in the last 10 years that didn't prominently feature (one of their top 3 players) a lottery pick? As far as I know that team doesn't exist, and if they do then they are certainly outweighed by the contenders with a lottery pick.   To be honest, I don't even fully understand why you would bring up the Spurs. Yeah, San Antonio doesn't have the fewest number of lottery picks, but Duncan is one of the best #1 overall draft picks ever. If anything they prove that you only need to get the right guy in the lottery once to make it big, which is kind of the argument for why people want teams to tank. Get Duncan and you don't have to go back to being bad until he retires/declines/leaves.   I can give a few examples of why lottery picks, especially high lottery picks are helpful, but it seems really unnecessary. I'll concede that they don't guarantee success, but that doesn't change the fact that they are strong assets. The fact is, the higher the pick, the greater the pool of available talent you have in the draft. With that, your odds of getting a really good player goes up. Yes, teams screw it up all the time, but not as often as they miss on picks later in the draft. What's more, they are useful in trades to help acquire talent. As for those teams that routinely have lottery picks and still stink, that is just proof that you need someone competent to make the decisions for you. I guess I could see an argument that Dumars has so completely lost it that he could turn the team into the Wizards, but I don't buy that argument. I just don't think he's that thoroughly incompetent.   By the way, I'm sort of on the fence about tanking. I root for the team to lose because I think it is in the best interest of the team. I feel like that is my right as a fan, and since my job isn't on the line I have the luxury of sitting back and looking at the big picture. I also don't think the coach or players should try to tank. This is their livelihood we're talking about, and people at the pro level in sports are extremely competitive. I'm reasonably competitive myself, and if someone asked me to tank I'd not so kindly tell them what I think of that suggestion. Besides, a lot of people don't have a switch that makes them go from competitive, not competitive, and back again. I think most people can do the first change but find the second one really tough. I'd rather the team not have to worry about getting the players to care again, it is just easier that way. @Chris. I really disagree with you, and you are totally misrepresenting the facts on this. Washington only has 4 lottery picks on roster, the same number as the Pistons (Knight, Monroe, BG, CV). Charlotte does have a lot, 7 in fact. Miami also has 7. Dallas has 8. Minnesota leads the league with 9. At 24-26, Minnesota isn’t exactly a powerhouse, but the 8th seed in the west is only 26-23, so they are totally in the hunt. A lot of their lottery picks aren’t their own though (Beasley, Ridnour, Randolph, Webster, and Darko), and out of theirs only Wes Johnson looks disappointing. By the way, Minnesota has a core of lottery picks Ricky Rubio (pick 5), Kevin Love (pick 5), and Derrick Williams (pick 2) that looks pretty solid. I’d take that top 3 over what Detroit has on roster right now, although if Detroit’s next lottery pick pans out that could easily go back in their favor. Still, it doesn’t look like having a bunch of lottery picks is bad for business. Oh, and can someone name a contender in the last 10 years that didn’t prominently feature (one of their top 3 players) a lottery pick? As far as I know that team doesn’t exist, and if they do then they are certainly outweighed by the contenders with a lottery pick.
 
To be honest, I don’t even fully understand why you would bring up the Spurs. Yeah, San Antonio doesn’t have the fewest number of lottery picks, but Duncan is one of the best #1 overall draft picks ever. If anything they prove that you only need to get the right guy in the lottery once to make it big, which is kind of the argument for why people want teams to tank. Get Duncan and you don’t have to go back to being bad until he retires/declines/leaves.
 
I can give a few examples of why lottery picks, especially high lottery picks are helpful, but it seems really unnecessary. I’ll concede that they don’t guarantee success, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are strong assets. The fact is, the higher the pick, the greater the pool of available talent you have in the draft. With that, your odds of getting a really good player goes up. Yes, teams screw it up all the time, but not as often as they miss on picks later in the draft. What’s more, they are useful in trades to help acquire talent. As for those teams that routinely have lottery picks and still stink, that is just proof that you need someone competent to make the decisions for you. I guess I could see an argument that Dumars has so completely lost it that he could turn the team into the Wizards, but I don’t buy that argument. I just don’t think he’s that thoroughly incompetent.
 
By the way, I’m sort of on the fence about tanking. I root for the team to lose because I think it is in the best interest of the team. I feel like that is my right as a fan, and since my job isn’t on the line I have the luxury of sitting back and looking at the big picture. I also don’t think the coach or players should try to tank. This is their livelihood we’re talking about, and people at the pro level in sports are extremely competitive. I’m reasonably competitive myself, and if someone asked me to tank I’d not so kindly tell them what I think of that suggestion. Besides, a lot of people don’t have a switch that makes them go from competitive, not competitive, and back again. I think most people can do the first change but find the second one really tough. I’d rather the team not have to worry about getting the players to care again, it is just easier that way.

]]> By: domnick http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61043 domnick Mon, 26 Mar 2012 04:49:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61043 i'll just wait for june and i think our hopes are going well.. A draft is there..... we just need a Star Level i’ll just wait for june and i think our hopes are going well..
A draft is there….. we just need a Star Level

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61034 tarsier Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:45:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61034 I would say that some other GMs were foolish though to not offer more for Paul. OKC could have offered Westbrook. Atlanta could have offered Horford+Teague. New York could have offered Melo. Indiana could have offered Granger+Hansbrough+Collison+picks. I would say that some other GMs were foolish though to not offer more for Paul. OKC could have offered Westbrook. Atlanta could have offered Horford+Teague. New York could have offered Melo. Indiana could have offered Granger+Hansbrough+Collison+picks.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61032 tarsier Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:40:50 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61032 I'm not saying that bad/good things never happen to those who deserve them. Incidentally, if I'm a Cleveland fan, though, I'm happy with the results of that tanked season, though. Lebron may have left but he gave Cleveland arguably the seven best years ever of being a Cavs fan. I'm also not saying that there is anything wrong with believing in karma. I'd just be surprised in most cases to discover that someone genuinely believes in it--it would be like believing in the force or that we are in the matrix. All also totally valid, but kinda crackpot. And Stern may not be the smartest person ever, but he is not an idiot either. You don't get such a position as an idiot. And personally, I still think the deal he got from the Clips was better than what he got from the Lakers. The Lakers' offer would have given them a Houston-esque team. Pretty decent and a team with a real perennial shot at the playoffs. But it would be an upset for them to ever make the second round. Also, if Stern wasn't an idiot, there'd be an 82 game season? Really? You think he wanted a lock out at all? He had to get the owners willing to take a deal the players would also take. Could it have been done quicker? In theory, certainly. I highly doubt you or I or most others could have pulled it off though. So that means what? He should have put 82 games into a compressed season? Do you really want back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-backs? That's seriously what ti would take. Times when teams play 5 nights in a row. I’m not saying that bad/good things never happen to those who deserve them. Incidentally, if I’m a Cleveland fan, though, I’m happy with the results of that tanked season, though. Lebron may have left but he gave Cleveland arguably the seven best years ever of being a Cavs fan. I’m also not saying that there is anything wrong with believing in karma. I’d just be surprised in most cases to discover that someone genuinely believes in it–it would be like believing in the force or that we are in the matrix. All also totally valid, but kinda crackpot.

And Stern may not be the smartest person ever, but he is not an idiot either. You don’t get such a position as an idiot. And personally, I still think the deal he got from the Clips was better than what he got from the Lakers. The Lakers’ offer would have given them a Houston-esque team. Pretty decent and a team with a real perennial shot at the playoffs. But it would be an upset for them to ever make the second round.

Also, if Stern wasn’t an idiot, there’d be an 82 game season? Really? You think he wanted a lock out at all? He had to get the owners willing to take a deal the players would also take. Could it have been done quicker? In theory, certainly. I highly doubt you or I or most others could have pulled it off though. So that means what? He should have put 82 games into a compressed season? Do you really want back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-backs? That’s seriously what ti would take. Times when teams play 5 nights in a row.

]]> By: Daye and Knight http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61028 Daye and Knight Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:33:08 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61028 And last thing...ask Cleveland if they believe in Karma. Tanking to get a high draft pick didn't work too well for them. It's never a sure thing you get the first pick and even if you do you could end up with Oden or a LeBron that will eventually leave...it's not worth it And last thing…ask Cleveland if they believe in Karma.

Tanking to get a high draft pick didn’t work too well for them.

It’s never a sure thing you get the first pick and even if you do you could end up with Oden or a LeBron that will eventually leave…it’s not worth it

]]> By: Daye and Knight http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61026 Daye and Knight Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:30:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61026 Honestly I could go on and on about how Stern will never be the brightest person in any room Honestly I could go on and on about how Stern will never be the brightest person in any room

]]> By: Daye and Knight http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61025 Daye and Knight Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:29:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61025 If Stern wasn't an idiot he would have gotten more for CP3 than Gordon instead of saying no to the Laker deal...so again...yes If Stern wasn’t an idiot he would have gotten more for CP3 than Gordon instead of saying no to the Laker deal…so again…yes

]]> By: Daye and Knight http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61024 Daye and Knight Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:27:39 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61024 If Stern wasn't an idiot we would have had a 82 game season...so yes If Stern wasn’t an idiot we would have had a 82 game season…so yes

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/comment-page-1/#comment-61023 tarsier Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:19:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/signs-of-quit-fill-pistons-loss-to-knicks/#comment-61023 A) Do you seriously believe in karma? B) Stern is not a likable guy but he's not an idiot. Cheating would be a move only for an idiot. It's not like he even gains anything from New Orleans being better. It's not like he is getting a cut of the Hornets' sell price. A) Do you seriously believe in karma?
B) Stern is not a likable guy but he’s not an idiot. Cheating would be a move only for an idiot. It’s not like he even gains anything from New Orleans being better. It’s not like he is getting a cut of the Hornets’ sell price.

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