Comments on: Pistons frontcourt does a little bullying of its own for a change in win over the Hawks http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 21 May 2013 23:39:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57713 frankie d Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:21:10 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57713 hey, i'm a big stuckey fan.  i've been defending the guy since he's been here.  i've always thought he was a very good player and an important part of the team.  i just don't think he has ever been a point guard. yea, he can play the spot because he's got the skills - including one of the best handles in the league, something that people overlook all the time   - but that is not his best spot. its like here in portland now, jamal crawford has been starting at the point because ray felton has been so bad.  he can play the spot, but it disrupts everything else about his game.    for the last 10 games or so, hes's started sometimes and gone back to his 6th man role at others.  he's a 10 year vet and his game has been messed with because he's going back and forth in a role that really isn't suited for him. btw, dumars' ability to play the point helped zeke immensely, as it allowed him to play off the ball often.  they were an excellent combination. hey, i’m a big stuckey fan.  i’ve been defending the guy since he’s been here.  i’ve always thought he was a very good player and an important part of the team.  i just don’t think he has ever been a point guard.
yea, he can play the spot because he’s got the skills – including one of the best handles in the league, something that people overlook all the time   – but that is not his best spot.
its like here in portland now, jamal crawford has been starting at the point because ray felton has been so bad.  he can play the spot, but it disrupts everything else about his game.    for the last 10 games or so, hes’s started sometimes and gone back to his 6th man role at others.  he’s a 10 year vet and his game has been messed with because he’s going back and forth in a role that really isn’t suited for him.
btw, dumars’ ability to play the point helped zeke immensely, as it allowed him to play off the ball often.  they were an excellent combination.

]]> By: Stuckey and Whoever http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57583 Stuckey and Whoever Sun, 11 Mar 2012 04:03:04 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57583 You failed to mention when Joe Dumars came to the pistons who was the starting point guard by his side.  Zeke.  Who was the coach of the team.  Chuck.  Along with a list of cast members to boot.  Don't tell me Stuckey has all the tools and lord knows he has had the oppurtunities..with whom?  Because if you want  to talk about his numbers they have been great for a 2 guard playing the point with no coach and no one around him.  And look up Joe D's stats sense you want to compare..when did his numbers make the jump?  When he was 25.  How old is Stuckey, you guessed it 25.  And he has a decent cast and coach around him.  And he is the darn near only one attacking the basketball when every other team knows it, and his numbers continue to get better.  You have to know the point guard spot before you complain about how long it takes someone to develop. You failed to mention when Joe Dumars came to the pistons who was the starting point guard by his side.  Zeke.  Who was the coach of the team.  Chuck.  Along with a list of cast members to boot.  Don’t tell me Stuckey has all the tools and lord knows he has had the oppurtunities..with whom?  Because if you want  to talk about his numbers they have been great for a 2 guard playing the point with no coach and no one around him.  And look up Joe D’s stats sense you want to compare..when did his numbers make the jump?  When he was 25.  How old is Stuckey, you guessed it 25.  And he has a decent cast and coach around him.  And he is the darn near only one attacking the basketball when every other team knows it, and his numbers continue to get better.  You have to know the point guard spot before you complain about how long it takes someone to develop.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57566 Patrick Hayes Sun, 11 Mar 2012 02:44:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57566 <p>Houston would never, ever do that trade.</p> <p>And the Pacers have Collison and George Hill at PG. Not sure they'd be interested in trading their cheap 3rd string PG for a more expensive, older 3rd string PG.</p> Houston would never, ever do that trade.

And the Pacers have Collison and George Hill at PG. Not sure they’d be interested in trading their cheap 3rd string PG for a more expensive, older 3rd string PG.

]]> By: jayg108 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57544 jayg108 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:47:10 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57544 Prince was brought back to play role of being the veteran on a young team.  His value is pretty good right now.  I'd pull the trigger on a trade since the team seems to have matured beyond Tayshaun's influence.  Not that I have someone in mind that's on the market, but I'd like to see JJ take over at sf.  I'm also wondering if Dumars should've kept Wilcox.  He's a high energy big which is what they should get for trading Prince.     BTW: NBA site gave Maxiell the <a href="http://www.nba.com/video/channels/top_plays/2012/03/09/20120309_dotn.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt2" rel="nofollow">Dunk of the Night </a>for that put back slam and Monroe got the Block of the Night on Teague Prince was brought back to play role of being the veteran on a young team.  His value is pretty good right now.  I’d pull the trigger on a trade since the team seems to have matured beyond Tayshaun’s influence.  Not that I have someone in mind that’s on the market, but I’d like to see JJ take over at sf.  I’m also wondering if Dumars should’ve kept Wilcox.  He’s a high energy big which is what they should get for trading Prince.
 
 
BTW: NBA site gave Maxiell the Dunk of the Night for that put back slam and Monroe got the Block of the Night on Teague

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57536 frankie d Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:58:28 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57536 i do think running the point takes a high basketball IQ. yes. (and good coaching.) the best point guards are like coaches on the floor.  they have to see the game  the same way the coach sees the game.  that takes a lot of smarts. guys like magic and dennis johnson and steve nash and derek fisher and chris paul and chauncey and zeke...yea, they are/were smarter than most players. imho, we need to give knight a couple of years to see whether he is capable of running the point.  it's pretty obvious that he got little, if any, useful coaching on the art of being a point guard in college. i agree that stuckey is a natural 2 guard.  but if he was smarter, he could be a competent point guard. joe dumars is the perfect example.  joe was a 2.  he was a shooter/scorer in college.  he had a point guard's handle, but he was a scorer. however, he was smart enough to be able to be a very effective point guard in the nba  he was smart enough to be able to switch back and forth between the 1 and the 2.  it made detroit very tough to defend because you never knew whether zeke or joe was going to initiate the offense. if stuckey had a higher BB IQ he would have been able to control his SG instincts and learn how to be an effective point guard.  lord knows he has had every chance.  he also has all of the necessary tools - quickness, athleticism, a great handle - but he's never been able to <strong>think</strong> like a PG. stuckey is at his best when he has tunnel-vision.  he's best when he's just looking at his man with the ball in his hands, figuring out how he's going to score on him.  when he has to think about running the team, getting other guys shots, making passes, balancing the floor, running a pick and roll, he becomes mechanical and stiff.   i much prefer the aggressive, fluid, "bully" stuckey who is thinking only about putting the ball in the hole and pounding someone on the head if he has to do so in order to accomplish that goal.  when he plays like that he is a joy to watch.   btw, its fine that stuckey is what he is.  i don't think it's a bad thing.  it is who he is as a player.  i've always advocated that he was a SG and not a PG.  i think his success now, as he's essentially moved over to the SG spot, is proof that view was correct. i do think running the point takes a high basketball IQ.
yes.
(and good coaching.)
the best point guards are like coaches on the floor.  they have to see the game  the same way the coach sees the game.  that takes a lot of smarts.
guys like magic and dennis johnson and steve nash and derek fisher and chris paul and chauncey and zeke…yea, they are/were smarter than most players.
imho, we need to give knight a couple of years to see whether he is capable of running the point.  it’s pretty obvious that he got little, if any, useful coaching on the art of being a point guard in college.
i agree that stuckey is a natural 2 guard.  but if he was smarter, he could be a competent point guard.
joe dumars is the perfect example.  joe was a 2.  he was a shooter/scorer in college.  he had a point guard’s handle, but he was a scorer.
however, he was smart enough to be able to be a very effective point guard in the nba  he was smart enough to be able to switch back and forth between the 1 and the 2.  it made detroit very tough to defend because you never knew whether zeke or joe was going to initiate the offense.
if stuckey had a higher BB IQ he would have been able to control his SG instincts and learn how to be an effective point guard.  lord knows he has had every chance.  he also has all of the necessary tools – quickness, athleticism, a great handle – but he’s never been able to think like a PG.
stuckey is at his best when he has tunnel-vision.  he’s best when he’s just looking at his man with the ball in his hands, figuring out how he’s going to score on him.  when he has to think about running the team, getting other guys shots, making passes, balancing the floor, running a pick and roll, he becomes mechanical and stiff.  
i much prefer the aggressive, fluid, “bully” stuckey who is thinking only about putting the ball in the hole and pounding someone on the head if he has to do so in order to accomplish that goal.  when he plays like that he is a joy to watch.  
btw, its fine that stuckey is what he is.  i don’t think it’s a bad thing.  it is who he is as a player.  i’ve always advocated that he was a SG and not a PG.  i think his success now, as he’s essentially moved over to the SG spot, is proof that view was correct.

]]> By: Shaun http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57530 Shaun Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:32:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57530 It is interesting that you dont factor Stuckey playing the point when he is a natural 2 guard. Monroe plays one position Stuckey plays at least two. How can you not have basketball IQ playing the point when that is not even your natural position. Everyone knows the point is the toughest position in basketball to play. Ask Brandon Knight how easy running the point is. Do you think he has basketball IQ or do you maybe think running a team takes a extreme amount of basketball IQ? It is interesting that you dont factor Stuckey playing the point when he is a natural 2 guard. Monroe plays one position Stuckey plays at least two. How can you not have basketball IQ playing the point when that is not even your natural position. Everyone knows the point is the toughest position in basketball to play. Ask Brandon Knight how easy running the point is. Do you think he has basketball IQ or do you maybe think running a team takes a extreme amount of basketball IQ?

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57525 frankie d Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:02:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57525 it is interesting... monroe makes adjustments within games and from game to game. it takes stuckey years...seasons to make important adjustments. if stuckey was as smart as monroe, he'd be an all-star point guard, the player joe d has always envisioned he'd be. BB IQ was the one thing joe d did not factor into his evaluation of stuckey. it is interesting…
monroe makes adjustments within games and from game to game.
it takes stuckey years…seasons to make important adjustments.
if stuckey was as smart as monroe, he’d be an all-star point guard, the player joe d has always envisioned he’d be.
BB IQ was the one thing joe d did not factor into his evaluation of stuckey.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57512 frankie d Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:05:59 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57512 monroe's adjustments are one of the most impressive aspects of his game. you can see him do it, usually from game to game, but sometimes, in the middle of the game, as happened last night. for instance, when he played charlotte the first time, the length of mullens bothered him.  in the recent win over charlotte, he adjusted.  instead of trying to avoid the long reach of mullens, he put his body into him, knocked him off-balance and then went up for his shots.  it was a subtle, but clear change in tactics and it worked. he made different, but effective adjustments against the hawks. smart player. monroe’s adjustments are one of the most impressive aspects of his game.
you can see him do it, usually from game to game, but sometimes, in the middle of the game, as happened last night.
for instance, when he played charlotte the first time, the length of mullens bothered him.  in the recent win over charlotte, he adjusted.  instead of trying to avoid the long reach of mullens, he put his body into him, knocked him off-balance and then went up for his shots.  it was a subtle, but clear change in tactics and it worked.
he made different, but effective adjustments against the hawks.
smart player.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57507 frankie d Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:33:50 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57507 he may have a bit more value right around the draft. maybe. but i'd take advantage of his recent good play and try to move him now.  i just think this is about as good as it gets with maxiell and the odds are pretty high that this strong play is not going to stay at this high level.  a couple of years ago, portland moved martel webster for the number 15 choice in the first.  last year dallas was ready to trade a first rounder and caron butler's contract for tay. a first rounder seems about the price for a good starting player.  i can't imagine just getting offered a second rounder, or two second rounders. maxiell has established a niche in the league.  out here, fans and media talk about "jason maxiell-type" players - physical, active energy players - and those guys can be game changers in a playoff series when teams game plan for everyone else and then a guy like max comes in and creates all sorts of chaos that you can't game plan for.  i think  a playoff team would be very interested in bringing in a fit, motivated maxiell for their run. he may have a bit more value right around the draft.
maybe.
but i’d take advantage of his recent good play and try to move him now.  i just think this is about as good as it gets with maxiell and the odds are pretty high that this strong play is not going to stay at this high level. 
a couple of years ago, portland moved martel webster for the number 15 choice in the first.  last year dallas was ready to trade a first rounder and caron butler’s contract for tay.
a first rounder seems about the price for a good starting player.  i can’t imagine just getting offered a second rounder, or two second rounders.
maxiell has established a niche in the league.  out here, fans and media talk about “jason maxiell-type” players – physical, active energy players – and those guys can be game changers in a playoff series when teams game plan for everyone else and then a guy like max comes in and creates all sorts of chaos that you can’t game plan for.  i think  a playoff team would be very interested in bringing in a fit, motivated maxiell for their run.

]]> By: swish22 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/03/pistons-frontcourt-does-a-little-bullying-of-its-own-for-a-change-in-win-over-the-hawks/comment-page-1/#comment-57495 swish22 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:24:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=9340#comment-57495 I agree Stuckey showed some maturity.  Great defense on the last position forcing Joe Johnson into a tough three from the corner!  Maybe he really has turned the corner!   REally looking forward to the Afflalo-Stuckey matchup when we play Denver March 21!  Bynum really can't get us any real asset in return can he???   Maxiel seemed to me to have more upside trade wise.   Prince still a player a lot of teams would consider adding.  He still can be a very effective defender when in a non-physical matchup!   Please Joe don't sit on your hands seeing these wins!    Am I dreaming, 4 games out of the 8th spot.  LAwrence Frank for President!   "PLAYOFFS"  Gotta go, JIM Mora on line 1! I agree Stuckey showed some maturity.  Great defense on the last position forcing Joe Johnson into a tough three from the corner!  Maybe he really has turned the corner!   REally looking forward to the Afflalo-Stuckey matchup when we play Denver March 21!
 Bynum really can’t get us any real asset in return can he???   Maxiel seemed to me to have more upside trade wise.   Prince still a player a lot of teams would consider adding.  He still can be a very effective defender when in a non-physical matchup!   Please Joe don’t sit on your hands seeing these wins!    Am I dreaming, 4 games out of the 8th spot.  LAwrence Frank for President!   “PLAYOFFS”  Gotta go, JIM Mora on line 1!

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