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		<title>By: Coach_Ackley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coach_Ackley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yooper I agree 100%.........</description>
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		<title>By: David R</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute - I can remember when most of us Detroit fans where clamoring for a trade (I.e. Trade Billups).  I was never in agreement with the Billups trade. Detroit fans thought Billups was through - he proved us wrong!  Now we want to go totally young... Good young teams are the exception - not the rule. Seasoned vets win championships with a sprinkling of youth -name the last few champs, Dallas (old), LA (old -several times), Boston (old), Miami (real old when they won it), San Antonio (old - several times), and Detroit! These are the only teams that have won a &#039;ship since the 97-98 Bulls!!!! Wanna go back further - the Bulls (old 6 times), the Rockets (old Hakeem and more), and the who else????.... Detroit!!!!!!! Fans are fickle -  I will always root for Detroit and Dumars, as a matter of fact...looking at Carmelo Anthony - Joe did the right thing, &#039;Melo would have ruined that teams chemistry. Joe is forming a new team - using Tay as his seasoned vet, I&#039;m still willing to give Joe and Tay a chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute &#8211; I can remember when most of us Detroit fans where clamoring for a trade (I.e. Trade Billups).  I was never in agreement with the Billups trade. Detroit fans thought Billups was through &#8211; he proved us wrong!  Now we want to go totally young&#8230; Good young teams are the exception &#8211; not the rule. Seasoned vets win championships with a sprinkling of youth -name the last few champs, Dallas (old), LA (old -several times), Boston (old), Miami (real old when they won it), San Antonio (old &#8211; several times), and Detroit! These are the only teams that have won a &#8216;ship since the 97-98 Bulls!!!! Wanna go back further &#8211; the Bulls (old 6 times), the Rockets (old Hakeem and more), and the who else????&#8230;. Detroit!!!!!!! Fans are fickle &#8211;  I will always root for Detroit and Dumars, as a matter of fact&#8230;looking at Carmelo Anthony &#8211; Joe did the right thing, &#8216;Melo would have ruined that teams chemistry. Joe is forming a new team &#8211; using Tay as his seasoned vet, I&#8217;m still willing to give Joe and Tay a chance!</p>
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		<title>By: sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick all good and fair points.</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@sebastian:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Mr. Hayes not to sound like a Lakers fan (I’m a diehard Pistons fan  since ’84), but the Lakers, a well-run organization, has won about 16  NBA Titles and have only missed the playoffs on two or three occasions,  during the last 40+ years.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, what conversation are we having right now? Clearly, historically, the Lakers are one of the two best and most successful franchises in NBA history. Right now? They&#039;re being run by the half-wit, unqualified sons of the team owner after he allowed them to run some very intelligent basketball ops people out of town.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;But, the you can’t convince me that at this point in both, Bynum and  Fisher’s careers that Bynum is not as good or better than Fisher.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But do you think that really mattered in the trade? Houston didn&#039;t acquire Fisher because they need PG help. They are solid there with Lowery and Dragic. They acquired him because the Lakers said, &#039;Hey, we&#039;ll give you our first round pick if you absorb Fisher&#039;s salary for an expiring contract.&#039; The Lakers wanted to get out of paying Fisher next year and they were willing to give up a first rounder to do it. Houston said, &quot;Sure, we&#039;ll do that.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This wasn&#039;t like Houston going around the league searching for PG help. They don&#039;t need it. If they wanted a third string PG that badly, they would&#039;ve just signed a guy out of the D-League to a 10-day contract. They got a first round pick for flipping a draft bust in Hill who is terrible for Fisher, who they will probably buy out anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, the Pistons could&#039;ve probably pursued a deal like that for Bynum. But would it have been worth it? The Lakers are ditching salary so they can not pay so much luxury tax. The Pistons aren&#039;t paying luxury tax, so they don&#039;t have that kind of motivation to make deals that dump future salary but also give away future assets to do it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sebastian:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Hayes not to sound like a Lakers fan (I’m a diehard Pistons fan  since ’84), but the Lakers, a well-run organization, has won about 16  NBA Titles and have only missed the playoffs on two or three occasions,  during the last 40+ years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, what conversation are we having right now? Clearly, historically, the Lakers are one of the two best and most successful franchises in NBA history. Right now? They&#8217;re being run by the half-wit, unqualified sons of the team owner after he allowed them to run some very intelligent basketball ops people out of town.</p>
<p>&#8220;But, the you can’t convince me that at this point in both, Bynum and  Fisher’s careers that Bynum is not as good or better than Fisher.&#8221;</p>
<p>But do you think that really mattered in the trade? Houston didn&#8217;t acquire Fisher because they need PG help. They are solid there with Lowery and Dragic. They acquired him because the Lakers said, &#8216;Hey, we&#8217;ll give you our first round pick if you absorb Fisher&#8217;s salary for an expiring contract.&#8217; The Lakers wanted to get out of paying Fisher next year and they were willing to give up a first rounder to do it. Houston said, &#8220;Sure, we&#8217;ll do that.&#8221;</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t like Houston going around the league searching for PG help. They don&#8217;t need it. If they wanted a third string PG that badly, they would&#8217;ve just signed a guy out of the D-League to a 10-day contract. They got a first round pick for flipping a draft bust in Hill who is terrible for Fisher, who they will probably buy out anyway.</p>
<p>Yes, the Pistons could&#8217;ve probably pursued a deal like that for Bynum. But would it have been worth it? The Lakers are ditching salary so they can not pay so much luxury tax. The Pistons aren&#8217;t paying luxury tax, so they don&#8217;t have that kind of motivation to make deals that dump future salary but also give away future assets to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And sure, he wasn&#039;t put in a good situation by the organization with poor coaching hires and expectations off the bat that were too high. I fully understand that those things hindered him, but his immaturity and inconsistent effort also played a role. It wasn&#039;t just a single thing that contributed to him under-performing or inconsistently performing over the years. This year, coaching has helped, an unchanging role has helped and Stuckey&#039;s demeanor has taken a drastic change for the better. Those are all contributing factors in his success, one of which Stuckey could&#039;ve controlled and done a better job with from the start. But I get that it takes some guys a little longer to grasp that part of being a successful pro athlete.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for the SGs, I said I didn&#039;t think he was a top 10 SG, I definitely didn&#039;t name 20 I thought were better. And you&#039;re right, that has changed, provided this performance from Stuckey is truly the Stuckey that Detroit will be getting for years to come now. Right now, he&#039;s playing like an All-Star. He&#039;s not Wade or Bryant, but he&#039;s definitely playing like an elite guard right now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And sure, he wasn&#8217;t put in a good situation by the organization with poor coaching hires and expectations off the bat that were too high. I fully understand that those things hindered him, but his immaturity and inconsistent effort also played a role. It wasn&#8217;t just a single thing that contributed to him under-performing or inconsistently performing over the years. This year, coaching has helped, an unchanging role has helped and Stuckey&#8217;s demeanor has taken a drastic change for the better. Those are all contributing factors in his success, one of which Stuckey could&#8217;ve controlled and done a better job with from the start. But I get that it takes some guys a little longer to grasp that part of being a successful pro athlete.</p>
<p>As for the SGs, I said I didn&#8217;t think he was a top 10 SG, I definitely didn&#8217;t name 20 I thought were better. And you&#8217;re right, that has changed, provided this performance from Stuckey is truly the Stuckey that Detroit will be getting for years to come now. Right now, he&#8217;s playing like an All-Star. He&#8217;s not Wade or Bryant, but he&#8217;s definitely playing like an elite guard right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh sure, there have people who have said that. I typically don&#039;t consider that opinion very credible though. I&#039;ve been critical of Stuckey throughout his Detroit tenure, it&#039;s true. But I&#039;ve also been critical of both fans who said things like you mention -- basically, that he&#039;s no good -- and critical of fans who, I&#039;ve felt, over-valued him based on his potential rather than what he&#039;s actually produced.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stuckey is experiencing what happens when any player realizes something very simple: If you want big contracts, if you want fans to like you, if you want the organization to treat you like a cornerstone, you don&#039;t get those things without performance. Up until two months or so ago, Stuckey had not grasped those things in his Detroit tenure. I&#039;m happy he is, but he does still have to do this over the course of an entire season. The talent is undeniably there. The motivation has to match all the time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;I said Knight and Stuckey was the back court of the future for a while, got called a Stuckey Slappie&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well listen, people predict things all the time based on potential. Far more often than not, players who took as long to realize their full potential as Stuckey has taken never fully reach their ceiling. If the light doesn&#039;t go on fairly early, it usually doesn&#039;t go on. Stuckey looks like he&#039;s going to be an exception here, which is great. But it also doesn&#039;t change the fact that it took him too long to play with this kind of effort and performance. He&#039;s had it in him. I&#039;m glad he&#039;s getting it. But there are also countless examples of players with upside and potential like Stuckey over the years who never get it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh sure, there have people who have said that. I typically don&#8217;t consider that opinion very credible though. I&#8217;ve been critical of Stuckey throughout his Detroit tenure, it&#8217;s true. But I&#8217;ve also been critical of both fans who said things like you mention &#8212; basically, that he&#8217;s no good &#8212; and critical of fans who, I&#8217;ve felt, over-valued him based on his potential rather than what he&#8217;s actually produced.</p>
<p>Stuckey is experiencing what happens when any player realizes something very simple: If you want big contracts, if you want fans to like you, if you want the organization to treat you like a cornerstone, you don&#8217;t get those things without performance. Up until two months or so ago, Stuckey had not grasped those things in his Detroit tenure. I&#8217;m happy he is, but he does still have to do this over the course of an entire season. The talent is undeniably there. The motivation has to match all the time.</p>
<p>&#8220;I said Knight and Stuckey was the back court of the future for a while, got called a Stuckey Slappie&#8221;</p>
<p>Well listen, people predict things all the time based on potential. Far more often than not, players who took as long to realize their full potential as Stuckey has taken never fully reach their ceiling. If the light doesn&#8217;t go on fairly early, it usually doesn&#8217;t go on. Stuckey looks like he&#8217;s going to be an exception here, which is great. But it also doesn&#8217;t change the fact that it took him too long to play with this kind of effort and performance. He&#8217;s had it in him. I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s getting it. But there are also countless examples of players with upside and potential like Stuckey over the years who never get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daye and Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daye and Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuckey had rotating coaches for years and now with what looks like a good coach he is thriving. Can&#039;t blame Stuckey under his circumstances over the past years like I been saying. You had a list of what was it...20 starting SG&#039;s you would rather have than Stuckey...does that list still stand today? Not trying to create an argument just wondering...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuckey had rotating coaches for years and now with what looks like a good coach he is thriving. Can&#8217;t blame Stuckey under his circumstances over the past years like I been saying. You had a list of what was it&#8230;20 starting SG&#8217;s you would rather have than Stuckey&#8230;does that list still stand today? Not trying to create an argument just wondering&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Hayes not to sound like a Lakers fan (I&#039;m a diehard Pistons fan since &#039;84), but the Lakers, a well-run organization, has won about 16 NBA Titles and have only missed the playoffs on two or three occasions, during the last 40+ years.
I would say that would classify them, as a &quot;well run&quot; organization.
But, the you can&#039;t convince me that at this point in both, Bynum and Fisher&#039;s careers that Bynum is not as good or better than Fisher.
Bynum can attack the basket far better than Fisher. Bynum&#039;s jumper is as wet as Fisher&#039;s. And, as far as defensive liabilities go, isn&#039;t it safe to assume based on all of the comments that I have read/heard when responding to the Fisher trade that Fisher was indeed traded, because he cannot guard the elite PGs in the West (i.e Westbrook, Paul, Parker, Lawson).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hayes not to sound like a Lakers fan (I&#8217;m a diehard Pistons fan since &#8217;84), but the Lakers, a well-run organization, has won about 16 NBA Titles and have only missed the playoffs on two or three occasions, during the last 40+ years.<br />
I would say that would classify them, as a &#8220;well run&#8221; organization.<br />
But, the you can&#8217;t convince me that at this point in both, Bynum and Fisher&#8217;s careers that Bynum is not as good or better than Fisher.<br />
Bynum can attack the basket far better than Fisher. Bynum&#8217;s jumper is as wet as Fisher&#8217;s. And, as far as defensive liabilities go, isn&#8217;t it safe to assume based on all of the comments that I have read/heard when responding to the Fisher trade that Fisher was indeed traded, because he cannot guard the elite PGs in the West (i.e Westbrook, Paul, Parker, Lawson).<br />
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		<title>By: Daye and Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daye and Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your response is logical and maybe that&#039;s how you felt about Stuckey but I clearly remember people on here saying that Stuckey was trash, you and maybe 1-3 more said he doesn&#039;t bring effort every night but he has the potential to, but I am 110% sure a lot of people were saying Stuckey was horrible and should not have been signed. Stuckey has turned the corner and for what it&#039;s worth it&#039;s great to see the Stuckey &quot;hate&quot; die down...it just means less arguments 

When I said Stuckey should start a while back when Stuckey was coming off the bench you argued that Ben Gordon was a better option...a lot has changed between then and now and I LOVE it. 

I said Knight and Stuckey was the back court of the future for a while, got called a Stuckey Slappie, and now by the looks of it on HERE there&#039;s plenty of Stuckey &quot;Slappies&quot; to go around...feels good not to be part of a bandwagon where people finally warm up to someone I been backing up for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response is logical and maybe that&#8217;s how you felt about Stuckey but I clearly remember people on here saying that Stuckey was trash, you and maybe 1-3 more said he doesn&#8217;t bring effort every night but he has the potential to, but I am 110% sure a lot of people were saying Stuckey was horrible and should not have been signed. Stuckey has turned the corner and for what it&#8217;s worth it&#8217;s great to see the Stuckey &#8220;hate&#8221; die down&#8230;it just means less arguments </p>
<p>When I said Stuckey should start a while back when Stuckey was coming off the bench you argued that Ben Gordon was a better option&#8230;a lot has changed between then and now and I LOVE it. </p>
<p>I said Knight and Stuckey was the back court of the future for a while, got called a Stuckey Slappie, and now by the looks of it on HERE there&#8217;s plenty of Stuckey &#8220;Slappies&#8221; to go around&#8230;feels good not to be part of a bandwagon where people finally warm up to someone I been backing up for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot of talk about how Joe should&#039;ve traded Daye AND those same folks complained before the deadline that to trade Daye is to sell at bottom value.  Nothing wrong with criticizing a GM but this is just HATE talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot of talk about how Joe should&#8217;ve traded Daye AND those same folks complained before the deadline that to trade Daye is to sell at bottom value.  Nothing wrong with criticizing a GM but this is just HATE talk.</p>
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