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Pistons disappointingly, frustratingly and possibly correctly let trade deadline pass – again

I wanted the Pistons to make a trade. We all did.

After 976 days – a span filled mostly with losses and zero playoff games – who wouldn’t? Joe Dumars?

Get real.

Dumars isn’t stupid. Even his most staunch opponents, at least among those with any shred of rationality, must realize nobody thinks this team is a finished product. The Pistons, as Dumars surely knows, need to upgrade their players, and he clearly tried to improve the Pistons’ outlook – but the they’re short on tradable assets. Making a trade for the sake of making a trade would have been satisfying today, but unless it actually helped the team in the long run, nobody would care. Nor should anyone.

The Pistons’ most meaningful steps forward will come from the draft, where nearly every team rebuilds. A trade today would not change that.

That doesn’t absolve Dumars, of course. He signed these players to the burdensome contracts that make them difficult to trade and didn’t’ seem prepared to pursue other team’s free agents after the lockout (but few teams quickly understood the realities of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement in the small window between the lockout ending and free agency beginning, causing most teams to take a conservative approach).

If the Pistons had tradable assets, like milk, they went bad as the franchise sat stagnant during its sale. Now, Dumars is stuck with a curdled roster. Outside Detroit’s major building blocks, which Pistons would other teams clamor for? My guess: nobody.

Grading the trade deadline ranges from nearly impossible to impossible – especially for the Pistons this year, when there was barely even a trade rumor. Maybe Dumars passed on a deal that he should have made. I have no idea, and likely, neither do you.

So, I’ll just do the only thing I can do: wait for June 28. The NBA draft – to everyone’s chagrin – has become the one day a year the Pistons make upgrades. But it would be the franchise’s most meaningful day for improvements, regardless, and if they keep getting their picks right, eventually the roster will have more desirable players.

Then, the trade deadline might be a little more eventful for the Pistons.

71 Comments

  • Mar 15, 20125:19 pm
    by ottawa16

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    I don’t know Dan it seems we keep hearing the same sad story from Joe Dumars and media time and time again regarding not making a trade for sake of trade. Our recent championship run was built more so by the trades with Ben And Sheed Wallace etc. it’s a part of it and we just keep hearing the same story over and over again. we could have made a push for McGee or Thabeet or Thompson or Ian Mahinmi. maybe they would’ve been the piece that we needed defensively to go along with Monroe.

    Encouraged by. Encouraged by us winning yet we are at a bad scenario because by winning we won’t get the top draft picks more than likely yet we may make the playoffs via 8th seed so we’re really not going to make a great playoff rush. let’s hope for the best

  • Mar 15, 20125:34 pm
    by swish22

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    As encouraged as I am by the coaching and teamwork happening right now I’m incredibly  disappointed for Dumars sitting on his hands!  I really thought he signed Prince to reward him and then trade him!  It would of been rough to trade someone like Daye who wouldn’t get you back anything and Joe isn’t ready to admit he made a mistake it appears!  Charlie V would’ve had no takers with that contract and his lack of effort.  Prince and maybe MAxiel were the guys who could’ve got us some young bigs possibly but we’ll never know in Joetown!  It would be curious to know whether Frank was consulted on his thoughts on changing the roster.  That’s the one caveat we don’t know sbout!

    • Mar 15, 20128:36 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “I really thought he signed Prince to reward him and then trade him!”

      If that was the case, and I’m not sure it was, Prince didn’t hold up his end of it by having an abysmal start to the season. He’s been better lately, but his first 8 weeks or so of the season, he looked terrible and that surely didn’t help his value.

  • Mar 15, 20126:09 pm
    by IsraeliPiston

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    The trade we need to make is trade Daye and Macklin for Tayshan and Wallace and Gordon and put Jonas at the 3.
    Let’s see what these guys can really do over the next few months. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
    Give 25-30 minutes a game for two months and see what happens.
     

  • Mar 15, 20126:10 pm
    by IsraeliPiston

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    *give them

  • Mar 15, 20126:14 pm
    by rick77

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    So if you dont know about any percieved deals then how do you know Dumars sat on his hands? I am tired of fair weather fans who only come around when the team wins and then talks smack when they lose. Again name me the last three teams from the East to win the NBA finals? Im waiting…………exactly Miami, Boston, and Detroit so agin why all the hostility when in reality all good thinsg must come to an ened. This team will get better but not by some fly by night deal that everyone has imagined in their head that is going to work. Im sorry but the hate on Dumars is getting about as old as the losing. Fans act like it was 20 years ago we won when in fact its been less than ten, and to top if off six st8 ECF appearnces. I swear Detroit fans are like Philly fans. Never satisfied! Alwats complaing about what should be done and not realizing this man has a job for a reason. Who do you all know thats out there thats capable of duplicating his sucess and maybe I will start taking the arguments serious. This is beginning to get borderline retarded simply because we are in new era of Piston basketball and thefans want a quick fix. I want a team that grows together and wants to win together(see OKC) period not a NBA Live dream team.

    • Mar 15, 20126:38 pm
      by Reaction

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      I doubt you can call people who have watched this team for the last 3 years “fair weather fans.” Dumars has had multiple opportunities to make moves which we didn’t blame him about since the ownership issue. I’m not calling him out but I would be very surprised if there isn’t any trades before the next draft. OKC went completely young… which is something the Pistons are struggling with doing by keeping old players around.

  • Mar 15, 20126:29 pm
    by Pete

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    Well I understand why Joe D didn’t make a move but if he doesn’t really make some moves in the off-season and a splash in the draft then ts time to get another GM. Its his fault for the lack of talent here in the first place.. the Cv and BG signings were questionable, giving away players like Amir Johnson and Afflalo were REALLY questionable, drafting 3 small forwards in 09 questionable, hiring Kuester and Curry questionable.. It seems to be a common theme going on. Im not Joe D basher/hater but it just doesnt seem to a be a plan for this team. It seems like JOe is just grabbing players and hope they pan out….

  • Mar 15, 20126:43 pm
    by Bygdygod

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    These large contracts will soon become assets as expiring contracts. Plus the draft has not happened yet. They can still make deals for first rd picks. Plus mybe they package their pick an a player to move UP in the draft! We have ALOT of options before the draft. Another thing is you don’t know where teams are picking! The lottery is another key piece. Many many options Detroit has goin forward. And u can tottaly evaluate the players. Does stuckey cont like this? What’s his value at the end of season. Prince can he sustain effiency on both sides of ball. His value? Are you Really comfortable with knight as pg? End of season you shld have a good handle there. Supposed pistons are drafting 5th an want to move up to 1. Can stuckey value get u there? Jerebko? The draft night is when u will see BIG pistons moves

    • Mar 15, 20127:00 pm
      by Reaction

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      I really hope they do trade for some draft picks… the more picks we get the better

  • Mar 15, 20126:49 pm
    by IsraeliPiston

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    bringing up the fact that Dumars won a championship back in 2004 all the time is like the 60 year old lawyer who keeps telling everyone he went to Harvard Law School. BFD. Who cares – what have you done lately??
    Pete hit the nail on the head – we gave away amir and affalo, could have had Blair but took Summers instead, drafted someone named walter Sharp, signed Gordon and Charlie V to horrible contracts, traded billips, lost Rip for nothing, hired horrible coaches, signed Tay to horrible contract.
    Monroe fell into Dumar’s lap, as did Knight.
    I love the Pistons and will always be a fan through thick and thin – but enough already – no risk, no reward. Cannot keep standing still and letting good players go and getting nothing in return.
    -

    • Mar 15, 20128:18 pm
      by Mark

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      I think the point of that argument is what have other teams done either?

      If that 60 yr old lawyer is one of only 3 ppl to graduate from Harvard since he did it, then it would be something to brag about.

      Pistons being one of only 3 teams in the East to win a championship since the Jordan era, IS still impressive because only 2 other teams have been able to do it since ’98.

      You can ask what has he done lately, but I ask what have all these other teams in the East done lately? Nothing either, so if there should be pressure on anyone it should be on those GM’s.

    • Mar 15, 201211:27 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Since when is eight years ago so long ago? Also, do the four conference finals after that count for nothing?

    • Mar 16, 20121:24 pm
      by David R

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      Wait a minute – I can remember when most of us Detroit fans where clamoring for a trade (I.e. Trade Billups). I was never in agreement with the Billups trade. Detroit fans thought Billups was through – he proved us wrong! Now we want to go totally young… Good young teams are the exception – not the rule. Seasoned vets win championships with a sprinkling of youth -name the last few champs, Dallas (old), LA (old -several times), Boston (old), Miami (real old when they won it), San Antonio (old – several times), and Detroit! These are the only teams that have won a ‘ship since the 97-98 Bulls!!!! Wanna go back further – the Bulls (old 6 times), the Rockets (old Hakeem and more), and the who else????…. Detroit!!!!!!! Fans are fickle – I will always root for Detroit and Dumars, as a matter of fact…looking at Carmelo Anthony – Joe did the right thing, ‘Melo would have ruined that teams chemistry. Joe is forming a new team – using Tay as his seasoned vet, I’m still willing to give Joe and Tay a chance!

  • Mar 15, 20126:50 pm
    by frankie d

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    what makes dumars’ inactivity so appalling is seeing what portland did today.
    portland has been in the playoffs the last 3 playoffs while detroit has missed the last two years.
    portland started off as though they would make the playoffs, then they hit a bad stretch.
    they’ve already fired their coach, waived a former # draft pick, traded two starters and acquired a lottery pick in one of the best drafts in years.
    that clearly shows that the organization is not satisfied and not standing still.
    in contrast, detroit sits there and does nothing.  despite the fact that they’ve been horrible for years.
    which team would you describe in more positive terms?

    • Mar 15, 20127:06 pm
      by Bygdygod

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      Dude the draft hasnt happened yet?? That new jersey pick is top three protected an if u haven’t notice nyj is Horrible! So Portland may not get the pick. An any REAL Pistons fans would know we are a way better organization than Portland?!? Are u kidding? Compare last ten years. Not just last three ?!? Duh!

      • Mar 15, 20127:42 pm
        by Reaction

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        We are a better organization than Portland. But I believe NJ may be better than us now when Brook Lopez is back/healthy, Deron Williams, and Gerald Wallace.

      • Mar 15, 20127:47 pm
        by labatts

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        By all means, bygdygod, compare the requisite number of years to satisfy your argument.

    • Mar 15, 20128:40 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Portland kept the two players who supposedly have led a locker room mutiny in Crawford and Felton and fired one of the most respected, underrated coaches in the league who is also a legend in the Pacific Northwest. Oh, and they’ve fired two good GMs for no reason and their current guy has been an interim GM for like a year now. So no, I wouldn’t call Portland a well-run organization.

      • Mar 15, 20129:06 pm
        by frankie d

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        who said anything about portland being a “well run organization”.
        i’ve dogged them out repeatedly on this forum.
        but no one can look at what they did today and say that they did not do well.  and that their activity, in the face of adversity, was much more welcome than standing pat after 2, going on 3 lottery seasons.
        joe, and too many fans, act as though a stretch of playing decent basketball means that all is well and that all the team has to do is sit back and wait for next year’s draft.
        that is amusing also…is the team supposed to be playing for the best draft choice or is it supposed to be playing for a playoff spot?
        which is it?

        • Mar 15, 20129:16 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          WHO IS MAKING THAT ARGUMENT THOUGH? You are arguing against memes you are creating in your head man.

          No one has said, “The Pistons/Dumars made no moves today b/c they are satisfied and totally think they’ve turned a corner and the next step is a championship.”

          They stood pat because they probably only had shitty deals offered to them and the deals they proposed to other teams were probably turned down. So rather than accept a shitty deal, they stood pat. NO ONE has said they did this because they don’t need to make a move or upgrade the roster. They just didn’t find something today that worked.

          EVERYONE wants them to add talent to the roster. The difference is, most people understand that they can’t snap their fingers and do that. You know why Portland made moves today? They had better assets to offer. And incidentally, they didn’t end up doing anything with the two players they have been most insistent on getting rid of for weeks now, so even they didn’t have as productive a day as they wanted.

          It’s incredible to me that people think Dumars is sitting up in his office thinking that he’s accomplished all he needs to accomplish with this roster.

          • Mar 15, 201210:23 pm
            by frankie d

            “It’s incredible to me that people think Dumars is sitting up in his office thinking that he’s accomplished all he needs to accomplish with this roster.”
            i’ve never said this nor do i think it.
            i think that dumars is simply being extremely cautious.  to some degree it is his nature, and imho, he is probably gun shy because he has made so many bad moves recently.  he is afraid to gamble because his most recent gambles have all come up bad.
            but as laser has said, if he can’t or won’t do what is necessary to fix the roster he screwed up, he needs to go and let someone else take the job over.
            but because of the extremely compliant media, he gets no heat from anywhere.  there’s no columnist asking that he defend his moves.
            here in portland where the dean of the local sportswriters has been lobbying for his firing for a couple of years now.  he goes on the radio every couple of days arguing that nate should have been gone year ago.
            there is no one who makes joe d defend his actions the way taht kind of criticism demands a response.
            so joe has it nice and easy.  he does what he wants to do.  no one questions him.  any criticism is greeted with hostility.
            it is hilarious that you argue that no one can rightfully critique his nonactivity because one never knows what was or was not offered.
            i’m sure joe loves that dynamic.
            let’s take it to how it plays out in reality.
            joe has complete control over any and all information about trades.
            he doesn’t want criticism.  no one does.
            so he never provides any information to any local media about possible trades.
            as you have noted plenty of times, he is very tightlipped and says little to local media.
            so therefore, according to your logic, he will never be susceptible for any criticism because he refuses to ever allow anyone any information about possible trades.
            perfect…for him.
            what makes it bad is that the local press essentially acquiesces along those lines, reducing themselves, as ellis admitted, to reporting on team press releases.

          • Mar 15, 201211:37 pm
            by Dan Feldman

            “i think that dumars is simply being extremely cautious.  to some degree it is his nature, and imho, he is probably gun shy because he has made so many bad moves recently.  he is afraid to gamble because his most recent gambles have all come up bad.”

            That’s certainly possible. You definitely could be right. Any evidence?

            I wouldn’t say the Dallas trade offer last year. If anything, I’d call that the safe move — and a trade I wish Dumars had accepted. All word was Dumars thought he could get more in a sign-and-trade for Prince this offseason. That’s a much riskier strategy.

            “reducing themselves, as ellis admitted, to reporting on team press releases.”

            You completely missed Ellis’ point. He said he should have reported on it, but it slipped because of everything going on at the time. He made a mistake and owned up to it. I don’t think he meant that he would have reported on it with a press release because the team wanted him to, but because that would have served as a reminder. I think he would’ve reported on it if you told him Daye’s option had been picked up and he could verify it.

          • Mar 16, 201211:00 am
            by sebastian

            Mr. Hayes do you think that Joe could have offered Will B. to the Rockets for Jordan Hill.
            The Lakers, a “well run” organization traded Derek Fisher, an elderly PG and what will be a late 1st round pick to the Rockets for Jordan Hill, a young, active, inexpensive PF/C.
            Will Bynum, a player who has a similar skill set, as Fisher; a player who is a similar size as Fisher; a player who is 8 years younger than Fisher; a player who is more athletic than Fisher; a player who makes a little less than Fisher (Bynum – $3.25/2, Fisher $3.4/2) possibly could had been package with the rights to Kyle Singler for the services of a player (Jordan Hill), who could had been an addition to the Pistons roster.
            But, again, teams like the Lakers know how to get the players they want, while Joe sits and does nothing.
             

          • Mar 16, 201211:23 am
            by Patrick Hayes

            “The Lakers, a “well run” organization”

            LOL … you mean the organization that ran Phil Jackson and a half dozen other respected basketball people so Jerry Buss’s sons could run the team? Yeah, OK. Totally well-run.

            “Will Bynum, a player who has a similar skill set, as Fisher”

            Well, Fisher plays effective defense. Bynum doesn’t play anything remotely close to defense.

            “possibly could had been package with the rights to Kyle Singler for the services of a player (Jordan Hill), who could had been an addition to the Pistons roster.”

            OK … I’ll accept your premise that Houston would want Bynum more than Fisher for a second, even if I don’t necessarily believe that. But whatever, they want Bynum more than Fisher, so now they would also have to want Singler, a second round pick who many believe Detroit reached for and who hasn’t even committed to playing in the NBA any time soon, instead of a first round pick that is currently in the 20ish range?

            Sorry, but I think you’re stretching the bounds of logic with this one. If Houston offered Hill for Bynum and the rights to Singler and Dumars turned it down and we have evidence that this happened, sure, criticize away. But there’s no way in hell I would actually believe Houston preferred that offer until I see proof otherwise. The Lakers’ offer was much better.

          • Mar 16, 201212:20 pm
            by sebastian

            Mr. Hayes not to sound like a Lakers fan (I’m a diehard Pistons fan since ’84), but the Lakers, a well-run organization, has won about 16 NBA Titles and have only missed the playoffs on two or three occasions, during the last 40+ years.
            I would say that would classify them, as a “well run” organization.
            But, the you can’t convince me that at this point in both, Bynum and Fisher’s careers that Bynum is not as good or better than Fisher.
            Bynum can attack the basket far better than Fisher. Bynum’s jumper is as wet as Fisher’s. And, as far as defensive liabilities go, isn’t it safe to assume based on all of the comments that I have read/heard when responding to the Fisher trade that Fisher was indeed traded, because he cannot guard the elite PGs in the West (i.e Westbrook, Paul, Parker, Lawson).
             

          • Mar 16, 20121:00 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            @sebastian:

            “Mr. Hayes not to sound like a Lakers fan (I’m a diehard Pistons fan since ’84), but the Lakers, a well-run organization, has won about 16 NBA Titles and have only missed the playoffs on two or three occasions, during the last 40+ years.”

            Well, what conversation are we having right now? Clearly, historically, the Lakers are one of the two best and most successful franchises in NBA history. Right now? They’re being run by the half-wit, unqualified sons of the team owner after he allowed them to run some very intelligent basketball ops people out of town.

            “But, the you can’t convince me that at this point in both, Bynum and Fisher’s careers that Bynum is not as good or better than Fisher.”

            But do you think that really mattered in the trade? Houston didn’t acquire Fisher because they need PG help. They are solid there with Lowery and Dragic. They acquired him because the Lakers said, ‘Hey, we’ll give you our first round pick if you absorb Fisher’s salary for an expiring contract.’ The Lakers wanted to get out of paying Fisher next year and they were willing to give up a first rounder to do it. Houston said, “Sure, we’ll do that.”

            This wasn’t like Houston going around the league searching for PG help. They don’t need it. If they wanted a third string PG that badly, they would’ve just signed a guy out of the D-League to a 10-day contract. They got a first round pick for flipping a draft bust in Hill who is terrible for Fisher, who they will probably buy out anyway.

            Yes, the Pistons could’ve probably pursued a deal like that for Bynum. But would it have been worth it? The Lakers are ditching salary so they can not pay so much luxury tax. The Pistons aren’t paying luxury tax, so they don’t have that kind of motivation to make deals that dump future salary but also give away future assets to do it.

          • Mar 16, 20121:14 pm
            by sebastian

            Patrick all good and fair points.

        • Mar 16, 20129:42 am
          by Max

          Reply

          I think Portland had a terrible day.  They may not hire another coach as good as Nate for decades.

  • Mar 15, 20126:57 pm
    by Bygdygod

    Reply

    And you also have to look at the culture an “personality” of frank dumars AND Gores. They all are Rebuilders everything they say an do is they take there time to make sure it’s done RIGHT. So I think nobody is lookin for the “Quick Fix”! Let’s take our time an do it right. Daye may still have chance y not here? He may learn to compete harder. Maxiel will be 5mil expiring concract next year. Charlie v concract 2 yr 13 mil left not horrible?! So I think there growing their assets somewhat but we are DEFINITLY going in the right direction

  • Mar 15, 20127:10 pm
    by Cliff

    Reply

    likely that we’ll pick up greg oden? why not right?

  • Mar 15, 20127:10 pm
    by ottawa16

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    I dont know why, but I am still holding out hope on Daye. But he’s behind Prince and now DWilkins, yes D freakin Wilkins. Are we the only team that purposedly try to derail our young players. Thats not a fair statement cuz of Knight and Monroe but we never truly developed Darko, we didnt really give Aaron Afflalo a chance, we didnt give Summers valuable playing time (who last i had checked is starting on another nba team), and now Daye is behind one of the worst nba players. I thought Daye has the clueless face going on all the time but DWilkins is 10 times worst. Maybe Daye cussed coach Frank out, maybe he choked him in practice, who knows. Daye had a horrible stretch in the beginning, we all know. But if Wilkins give you 10pts 5 rebs a game and Daye did the same, whod do you feel better about for now and the future, who can u package in a deal and sell on youth, potential (he has shown promise).

    • Mar 15, 20128:45 pm
      by rick77

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      Its not about being the best , but being professional. This is something Austin Daye does not always demonstrate on the court.Stop being cynical about it and look at it like maybe Daye just  cant beat him out. Did you ever  consider looking at it that way instead of some kind of conspiracy against Daye. Oh yeah btw I still have not heard anyone come up with Joe D’s replacement since everyone knows more about constructing a team than he does. The same old record over over and over again.

      • Mar 15, 20128:49 pm
        by labatts

        Reply

        You could have said the same thing about Millen (people did).  It isn’t the fan’s job to know all of the upcoming possibilities for future GMs – and if they don’t, it doesn’t invalidate the argument.

    • Mar 15, 20129:10 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

      Reply

      “Maybe Daye cussed coach Frank out, maybe he choked him in practice, who knows.”

      Or maybe he just has played terribly? Daye not only shot the ball poorly, he wasn’t defending well (kept missing assignments on D) and he played with no energy.

      “But if Wilkins give you 10pts 5 rebs a game and Daye did the same, whod do you feel better about for now and the future”

      The thing is, Wilkins isn’t giving close to that and Daye STILL didn’t out-produce him. I think everyone would love for Daye to develop into something useful. But the guy has just not played particularly hard this season when he’s had opportunities, and now he’s paying for it.

      • Mar 15, 20129:44 pm
        by ottawa16

        Reply

        Agreed. But regardless of poor shooting, work ethic, whatever it is, no one has reported what the real issue is (if there is a serious issue). And truth be told, all the Pistons except Monroe has been in shooting slumps. What we do know is that he can score. Work on other areas and perfect what you do best.

      • Mar 15, 201211:36 pm
        by domnick

        Reply

        i wonder why JOE D didn’t made any trade for Daye… does he expect a gold or diamond in return?

        I’m so pissed man! this is our GM!

        • Mar 15, 201211:46 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

          Reply

          At best, you would get a second round pick for Daye. Daye has been terrible this year, but he still might have more upside than anyone you would get in the second round. If you don’t believe he has upside, you trade him for whatever you can get. If you believe he’ll break out of his slump and repair his value some, you keep him. Pretty simple.

          I don’t know if I believe Daye will come around, but they see him every day and I would think are equipped to make a decision on when the right time to cut ties with him is.

          • Mar 16, 20129:38 am
            by domnick

            i dont that happening… the problem is… he is on his 3rd year but didn’t have any improvements… how can we call that an upside? he is on downside.. thats why we shop him around… and he doesnt fit here… we want our garbage to be thrown away.. but we are being sentimental on many things…
             
            sorrry for that.. but im so pissed!

  • Mar 15, 20127:17 pm
    by ottawa16

    Reply

    One more thing, until recently, we have had major issues scoring. Solution was make DWilkins regular off bench? Seriously, he doesnt have any upside. Ive seen him loaf, miss assignments defensively, pass up great shots. Daye does all that yet still has ability to give you 18pts on any given night. Can you see that for DWilkins. And I guess Daye may crack the lineup after being in trade rumors cuz of management/media right?

  • Mar 15, 20127:37 pm
    by Nick II

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    I agree with Cliff.Whats the worst that can happen by getting Greg Oden,I mean we did give Kwame Brown a contract smh.

    • Mar 15, 20127:43 pm
      by Reaction

      Reply

      Agreed. I actually have faith in Oden with Kander. I think his career can be saved still.

    • Mar 15, 20129:57 pm
      by ottawa16

      Reply

      I’d rather give Macklin a shot. I liked Oden coming out of college but after several microfracture surgeries, not sure even Ernie can heal.

  • Mar 15, 20127:50 pm
    by labatts

    Reply

    Well, I am not sold on Oden making a comeback (regrettable).  However, I would rather put my chips on him than Daye.

  • Mar 15, 20129:16 pm
    by Coach_Ackley

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    I think if the Pistons claim Oden or sign Oden in the offseason and let him work with Kander It might be worth the risk cuz he will come cheap hell Portland took is QO at 9 million and brought it down to 1.5 million cuz he was injured and that is all he might get on the open market nobody will spend big to get him and if the price is right why not Kander may work his magic again and if he does and if he dont it’s a low risk high reward with Oden.. If he dont pan out then cut your losses….

  • Mar 15, 20129:19 pm
    by domnick

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    Hi Joe Dumars… i dont know what to say but… you should be fired…. you’re not doing good as a GM… not making trades is not good for us all..

    Thank you for the years of nonsense.

    • Mar 15, 20129:44 pm
      by Coach_Ackley

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      And you think you can do better…. You cant make deals if your getting garbage in return you cant make deals if other teams say thanks but no thanks.. What is wrong with you Piston fans if you call your self fans.. Man if there was a deal to be made then we would have made one but you never take bake GARBAGE cuz if he did you all would be pissed about that………

      • Mar 15, 201211:33 pm
        by domnick

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        Do you believe you can’t take garbage for a garbage like Daye?

        but to be fairly honest.. other teams can deal bad contracts… and get good in return… how come our deal is active but not getting attractive deals in return..

        Then it goes on… saying “NO DEAL”.. this is BS! we didn’t just made a hard push to make some trades… just like that!

        • Mar 15, 201211:41 pm
          by Dan Feldman

          Reply

          Which teams traded a bad contract for a good return?

        • Mar 15, 201211:43 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Three teams “dealt bad contracts for something good in return,” Milwaukee, Portland and Denver.

          And the “bad contracts” Milwaukee and Denver dealt (to Nene and Bogut) are only bad because both of those players have had major injury problems this season. If they return to their old form next season or close to it, they aren’t bad contracts anymore (granted, it seems less likely that Bogut will).

          The bad contract Portland dealt (to Wallace) isn’t as bad as Detroit’s bad contracts because it only has two years left on it. Also, Wallace is a former all-star with name recognition, which is what New Jersey wanted in a lame attempt to show Deron Williams they’re trying to acquire all-stars for him.

          No one on the Pistons roster with a bad contract is remotely as good as Bogut or Nene and no one on Detroit’s roster would fit that “all-star name” requirement that NJ was looking for, so it’s just not accurate to assume that Detroit could’ve made those same types of deals.

           

          • Mar 16, 20129:44 am
            by domnick

            being young and being a good shooter are his selling points… his upside.. but he doesnt get enough playing time… i dont see a deal impossible.. its just that we seek alot in return… if we are rebuilding then lets face this… we dump our waste and start it again… and stick with guys who will bring us sucess… i know we want to become competitive but this is not enough… just doing no trade doesnt make any sense coz what will happen to our FUTURE?… do we think it is easier to make deals in the future?? no way! you don’t ewen want to lose… we don’t want to get one-sided deals.. but it starts with the comfort of dumping away useless guys!

  • Mar 15, 20129:23 pm
    by Mark

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    How ’bout Macklin?

    18 pts, 18 rebs, 4 blocks, and 3 asts on 8-14 FG in his D-League debut tonight.

    Nice to see

    • Mar 15, 20129:46 pm
      by Coach_Ackley

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      I watched that game on their webpage Mac played like a beast but it is the D-Leauge but still nice to see nonetheless……..

    • Mar 15, 20129:51 pm
      by ottawa16

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      I like what of what little ive seen of Macklin so far. He can rebound, has length and ability to score around the rim. Hope we bring him back up.

  • Mar 15, 201210:14 pm
    by Yooper

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    I believe we should claim Oden see what we can do with Kander that guy is magical and you can’t teach size. Everyone thought Mcdyess was done when he came here and look at his career. GET HIM….

    • Mar 16, 20124:28 pm
      by Coach_Ackley

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      Yooper I agree 100%………

  • Mar 15, 201210:34 pm
    by General Ackbar

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    Oden is dunzo.

  • Mar 15, 201211:27 pm
    by Hamtowner

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    Well, we know what we get when we stick with the same team.  If we make a trade, either we stay the same (bad), get better (good) or get worse (and getting a better draft pick in a good draft).  I say, the worst thing to do is to stay stagnant.

    • Mar 15, 201211:42 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Is it really good to make a trade that makes the team slightly better this year? I don’t think so.

      • Mar 16, 20129:53 am
        by domnick

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        well at least we can have a fresh start than letting the opportunity to pass by and do nothing… thats the worse part!

  • Mar 15, 201211:31 pm
    by Corey

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    Frantic activity just to “do something” got us into this mess. Trading Chauncey for AI was a gamble to “do something”. Signing BG and CV was because they were the best available free agents and we had to “do something” with the cap space. I am glad the pistons aren’t repeating the mistake of “doing something” unwise that turns out badly and kills their flexibility. The only way out is to let the bad contracts start to expire, or at least approach expiration. One more year and the shackles from the BG, CV, and RH (he still costs against our cap) start to come off.

    That said, I’d sure as heck like to see them do something good to add to the team.

  • Mar 16, 20121:08 am
    by Daye and Knight

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    I’m noticing a lot of Daye hate on here…rightfully so but I also remember a few months ago Stuckey was receiving that same hate…kind of makes you wonder if he’ll pull a Stuckey and shut everyone up…certainly hope so, but I want all our guys to do good, especially our younger guys.

    As far as the trade deadline passing, like I noted before…don’t care, not holding that against Dumars, who btw is our scapegoat if anything goes wrong…failed a test today, guess I gotta come on here and blame Dumars.

    I get he’s been terrible lately, but we did go to the conference finals quite often…back in the glory days. I try and remember that when I feel the need to criticize Dumars. Maybe we’ll hit a home run in the upcoming draft and add some players through free agency, but complaining we didn’t do anything before the deadline is a bit much, not like we would have gotten a “key” piece and made a serious run at the title or anything

    • Mar 16, 20129:32 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “Hate” is the wrong word re: Stuckey. There were plenty of criticisms of Stuckey, sure. But I don’t recall anyone ever arguing about Stuckey’s talent. He’s pretty clearly shown tantalizing flashes of the ability to play like this over his entire career. What people criticized about Stuckey was his effort, which came and went. He’s never put together a season-long, consistent effort. That’s far different from saying he’ll never amount to anything or he doesn’t have game.

      Daye’s a much different case in that he’s never remotely shown the type of ability Stuckey has. Daye has work to do just to get to the point of being a role player. He looked last year that he at the very least could be an off the bench 3-point specialist with the potential to maybe develop other parts of his game. But when you go from shooting 40 percent from three to 20 percent, it certainly raises serious questions about whether or not you can be a rotation player.

      Stuckey has never had those kinds of questions. Everyone has always seen that he, at the very least, was a NBA rotation guard. The question was always just how motivated he was to take the next step and fully utilize all his talents.

      • Mar 16, 201212:16 pm
        by Daye and Knight

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        Your response is logical and maybe that’s how you felt about Stuckey but I clearly remember people on here saying that Stuckey was trash, you and maybe 1-3 more said he doesn’t bring effort every night but he has the potential to, but I am 110% sure a lot of people were saying Stuckey was horrible and should not have been signed. Stuckey has turned the corner and for what it’s worth it’s great to see the Stuckey “hate” die down…it just means less arguments

        When I said Stuckey should start a while back when Stuckey was coming off the bench you argued that Ben Gordon was a better option…a lot has changed between then and now and I LOVE it.

        I said Knight and Stuckey was the back court of the future for a while, got called a Stuckey Slappie, and now by the looks of it on HERE there’s plenty of Stuckey “Slappies” to go around…feels good not to be part of a bandwagon where people finally warm up to someone I been backing up for years.

        • Mar 16, 201212:46 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Oh sure, there have people who have said that. I typically don’t consider that opinion very credible though. I’ve been critical of Stuckey throughout his Detroit tenure, it’s true. But I’ve also been critical of both fans who said things like you mention — basically, that he’s no good — and critical of fans who, I’ve felt, over-valued him based on his potential rather than what he’s actually produced.

          Stuckey is experiencing what happens when any player realizes something very simple: If you want big contracts, if you want fans to like you, if you want the organization to treat you like a cornerstone, you don’t get those things without performance. Up until two months or so ago, Stuckey had not grasped those things in his Detroit tenure. I’m happy he is, but he does still have to do this over the course of an entire season. The talent is undeniably there. The motivation has to match all the time.

          “I said Knight and Stuckey was the back court of the future for a while, got called a Stuckey Slappie”

          Well listen, people predict things all the time based on potential. Far more often than not, players who took as long to realize their full potential as Stuckey has taken never fully reach their ceiling. If the light doesn’t go on fairly early, it usually doesn’t go on. Stuckey looks like he’s going to be an exception here, which is great. But it also doesn’t change the fact that it took him too long to play with this kind of effort and performance. He’s had it in him. I’m glad he’s getting it. But there are also countless examples of players with upside and potential like Stuckey over the years who never get it.

      • Mar 16, 201212:22 pm
        by Daye and Knight

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        Stuckey had rotating coaches for years and now with what looks like a good coach he is thriving. Can’t blame Stuckey under his circumstances over the past years like I been saying. You had a list of what was it…20 starting SG’s you would rather have than Stuckey…does that list still stand today? Not trying to create an argument just wondering…

        • Mar 16, 201212:50 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          And sure, he wasn’t put in a good situation by the organization with poor coaching hires and expectations off the bat that were too high. I fully understand that those things hindered him, but his immaturity and inconsistent effort also played a role. It wasn’t just a single thing that contributed to him under-performing or inconsistently performing over the years. This year, coaching has helped, an unchanging role has helped and Stuckey’s demeanor has taken a drastic change for the better. Those are all contributing factors in his success, one of which Stuckey could’ve controlled and done a better job with from the start. But I get that it takes some guys a little longer to grasp that part of being a successful pro athlete.

          As for the SGs, I said I didn’t think he was a top 10 SG, I definitely didn’t name 20 I thought were better. And you’re right, that has changed, provided this performance from Stuckey is truly the Stuckey that Detroit will be getting for years to come now. Right now, he’s playing like an All-Star. He’s not Wade or Bryant, but he’s definitely playing like an elite guard right now.

  • Mar 16, 201211:06 am
    by sebastian

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    Could it be that none of the other 29 GMs want to do a deal with Joe? If this is the case, then Joe has to go.

  • Mar 16, 201211:55 am
    by Alan

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    Lot of talk about how Joe should’ve traded Daye AND those same folks complained before the deadline that to trade Daye is to sell at bottom value.  Nothing wrong with criticizing a GM but this is just HATE talk.

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