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Cody Zeller to Pistons in ESPN’s latest mock draft

Chad Ford of ESPN has the Pistons passing on Harrison Barnes to take Cody Zeller at No. 6:

The Pistons are in desperate need of size and athleticism in the frontcourt. While I think the Pistons would prefer Drummond, Zeller would still be a great get. He’s quick, tough and very polished for a freshman. Pairing him with Greg Monroe would immediately make the Pistons better — if Zeller actually decides to declare.

29 Comments

  • Mar 29, 20123:20 pm
    by RationalSportsFan

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    Not a Cody Zeller hater, but if the Stones took him with Barnes, PJ III, and McAdoo on the board, I would be extremely unhappy.

    • Mar 29, 20124:32 pm
      by Coach_Ackley

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      I agree.. I’d rather take Perry Jones III than Zeller and the reason being is that they say PJ3 has no motor well remember the same was said for Moose and how’d that turn out… If you look at the stats I think PJ3 is avg. more pts. and reb. per game than Drummond is and I really believe that PJ3 will be a good shot blocker in the NBA not Elite but better than most think plus he’s an under the radar type player and might want to prove himself……

  • Mar 29, 20123:57 pm
    by labatts

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    I didn’t think he would go this year, but I suppose he might as well.  I would be okay with him.

  • Mar 29, 20124:08 pm
    by vic

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    zeller is kinda like Sullinger to me. I’d ttake him if Drummond, TRob and anthony arent available. I’d rather take Tony Mitchell though and get a shot blocker in round 2. If we got Zeller you’d still need a shot blocker too

  • Mar 29, 20124:21 pm
    by Chris H

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    I really don’t have any problems taking two big guys, one in round one and one in round two.  I feel it’s much easier to find serviceable guards than it is to find good bigs.  Can’t think of many teams that won without having at least one really good big, several actually had two or more.

  • Mar 29, 20124:45 pm
    by frankie d

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    the main rap on jones is not his motor – though that is a concern – but the fact that he disappears in tough games.
    that was never really the problem with monroe.  there was concern about his supposedly lackadaisical manner, which i always thought was ridiculous, but he usually performed well against the big boys.
    jones, on the other hand, often plays his worst when the games are most important.  also, he’s never won anything, at any level, which is also a matter of concern.  there is no question about his talent, but i wouldn’t waste a high pick on him.
    i’ve seen lots of baylor games, and it is truly amazing how often he simply disappears on the court.  the fact that the biggest, most talented guy just disappears for long stretches in games is a huge concern.

    • Mar 29, 20129:59 pm
      by Coach_Ackley

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      Well if we keep on winning he will be worth the pick because I believe we will be picking 7th 8th or later and he will be a solid pick by then.. I’d really like us to get Drummond but if we keep on winning he’ll be out of reach for us if he even comes out plus ppl want Cody Zeller the kid is like 210 lbs. he’s another Daye if he can’t add any weight plus rumor has it that he just might stay in school just like McAdoo…..

      • Mar 30, 20123:43 am
        by oats

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        In defense of Cody, Tyler was his size at the same age and is now 40 pounds heavier. Obviously his family has genes that allow him to put on weight. This is not in any way conclusive, but it is a somewhat encouraging sign. My best guess is puts on some weight, staying well outside the Austin Daye range. Still, he could put on 20 pounds and still be under weight. The bigger problem I have with Cody is that he really isn’t that good on the boards. 9.1 boards/40 min pace adjusted is not great, especially since he doesn’t play next to a dominant rebounder. Tyler Zeller grabs 13.6, Henson gets 10.3, Terrence Jones pulls in 9.8, Perry Jones III gets 10, and Meyers Leonard gets 10.4. McAdoo only gets 9.2, but projecting per 40 minutes on a guy that only plays 15 minutes is tricky, and he has the problem of often being on the court with Tyler Zeller or John Henson. For comparisons sake, Drummond gets 10.8, Davis pulls in 12.7, and Thomas Robinson hauls in a mighty 15. Heck, MKG is a SF that gets 9.6. I’ve heard arguments that rebounding isn’t the biggest concern next to Monroe, but I’d really like another guy to clean up the glass. A starting big man won’t always have the benefit of sharing the court with Monroe, and Maxiell, CV, and JJ aren’t going to cover for him. Plus, Cody would hopefully move Monroe to the 4 where he would more frequently be pulled away from the basket, thus increasing the need for the 5 next to him to be good on the boards.

  • Mar 29, 20125:01 pm
    by Daye and Knight

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    In order I would want:
    Davis
    Robinson
    Drummond
    MKG
    Barnes
    Jones III
    McAdoo
    Sullinger
    Zeller (either one I guess)

    At the rate we’re going we might not have a choice but if anyone above is available and we pass then I wouldn’t be the happiest person neither. And Sullinger is a stretch cause I don’t really like him neither.

    In fact, if we’re on the clock and everyone before Zeller and Sullinger are gone I would try trading the pick to a team that might want to reach for Austin Rivers. Maybe trade it for Josh Smith or Cousins if it worked financially

    • Mar 29, 20126:01 pm
      by gmehl

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      Not a bad order but it think it is better if you put these guys in tiers. I agree with looking into trade the pick if Davis, Robinson, MKG, Drummond and Barnes are off the last. The other guys will be a reach so if we can get a proven big via that avenue then i am sure it will be discussed. If someone wont give us a big man then i am also for packaging the pick with CV so we can wave goodbye to his sorry a$$.
      BTW my list is similar:


      Tier 1
      Davis


      Tier 2
      Robinson
      MKG


      Tier 3
      Drummond
      Barnes
       
      _______________ Anyone after here I think we look to trade the pick _______________
       
      Tier 4
      Jones III
      McAdoo
      Sullinger
      Zeller
       
       

      • Mar 30, 20128:46 am
        by Steve K

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        Still so much disrespect for Sullinger. I may be the only one beating the Sullinger drum here. I still contend Piston fans knock the guy down a few pegs because he was an overhyped freshman. OSU thought he’d take the world by storm, and he didn’t do much other than be a less-effective Greg Oden. But his game grew quite a bit this year.

        If you watch OSU in the tourney, I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. He’s a dude who can help the Pistons. On that list above, I’d put him solidly in Tier 3.

        • Mar 30, 20129:22 am
          by Daye and Knight

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          Too bad he’s just about as athletic as a snail…Monroe is about the same athletically so it would be a nightmare if we drafted Sullinger, I’m sure that’s what everyone on here realizes

          • Mar 30, 20129:34 am
            by Steve K

            Just because the dude doesn’t jump out of the gym doesn’t make him ineffective.
            Neither Laimbeer nor Mahorn had great hops (which must be the athletic limitation you’re referring to), but they were pretty effective, I’d say.

            More recently, in 2008, this was the knock on draftee Kevin Love (per nbadraft.net), “lacks great athleticism”. Another 2008 draftee, Brook Lopez, was “Not incredibly fluid athletically”.

            No doubt both those big men overcame their “deficiencies,” and I’m sure most Piston fans would happily take those “non-athletic” guys. 

            Is Sullinger in the class of Love or Lopez? Probably not… but I think he should be judged on the full package. Not dismiss him because he’s no Dwight Howard freak.

          • Mar 30, 201210:36 am
            by Daye and Knight

            Sullinger is no Love, he’s more of a Glenn Davis IMO and Love is plying well, and I’m sure Sullinger will too but are the Wolves winning games? No.

            Sullinger isn’t athletic enough to guard athletic PF’s and is too short and a bit on the heavier side to contest shots and pose as a defensive threat down low

            Greg should be a PF and we need a center, not another un athletic PF

  • Mar 29, 20125:16 pm
    by Kris

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    Perry Jones is going to be a 3 in the NBA. That is not our biggest need, I guess. Cody at least plays 5 and has good energy, attitude and skills. However being skinny and not explosive might get him into a lot of trouble. I guess he will succeed, cause he is smart and energetic player, but hard for me to estimate his ceiling.

    • Mar 29, 20128:36 pm
      by RationalSportsFan

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      The Pistons should not let the bad Tayshaun re-signing force them to take a worse player, jsut because of need.

  • Mar 29, 20128:21 pm
    by Ray

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    cody zeller? draft out of need is silly in the NBA we did that with darko draft the best player on the board and then you make it work

    • Mar 29, 201210:18 pm
      by Chris H

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      Maybe you should read up on how good the world thought Darko was going to be.  This guy was supposed to be the next coming of every big man out there.  Over 7 ft, body that looked like it could grow wide and strong, excellent passing skills legit 18 ft jumpshot range, great rebounder.  Seriously read the scounting reports that were coming out in that draft.  They made him sound so good that Detroit would be set at PF/C for a long, long, long time.

      • Mar 29, 201210:21 pm
        by Chris H

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        All of that being said, if we had a complete do-over, can anyone imagine Dwayne Wade in a Pistons uniform?  How does anyone think he would have developed in Detroit?

        • Mar 30, 201210:19 am
          by sebastian

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          Chris H. I remember the weeks leading up to the 2003 Draft, when I would post at the Detroit News – Pistons Talk Forum that Joe should draft Dwayne Wade. I received so many flaming responses that I turned into the Human Torch. Fools kept saying: “Joe should draft Darko Millic.”
          We have all seen how that decision turned out. Dwayne has been a super-duber star and Darko has and is a pile of shit.

  • Mar 29, 201210:38 pm
    by Talan

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    Zeller would be great. Would take a lot of pressure off of Monroe. Imagine Monroe passing off to a crafty Zeller diving to the hoop.  Both can rebound and hit a 15 footer. Reminds me of Utah’s Jefferson/Millsap frontcourt, currently pretty solid in the nba.   Is he a defensive big? no, but the kid is the second best center in college basketball behind Davis according to Wins Produced/40. As a freshmen he carried that Indiana team pretty far. He has better post moves that Sullinger.  He’s young, he’ll gain weight. If he ends up 240-250 that’s plenty. 
    I hope he comes out this year and we are lucky enough to get him. In our range, I hope we get Drummond or Zeller.

  • Mar 29, 201210:42 pm
    by rick77

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    He would’nt because the word is he didnt want to workout for Detroit. We had too many guards at the time with Hunter/Hamilton/James/Billups. It would have had to be Chris Bosh most likely and just think of how good he could’ve been under the tutelege of all the great big men on our team at the time. He actually could have and should have been Memo’s replacement. The jury was still out on Bosh as he did not have that big of a body of work at the time so we went with everyones consenus, Darko. Although I preferred Anthony because I saw him in college and thought his game(toughness) matched with Detroit and having him and Tayshaun would have been better than most people thought. Obviously winning a NCAA Championship means nothing as we went with a unproven product and suffered for it. In the end we have Stuckey for Darko and I think he will continue to be a cornerstone on this team with Monroe and Knight.

  • Mar 30, 201212:22 am
    by domnick

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    i’ll take 4 players if we are a lottery team next season..

    Davis
    MKG
    Robinson
    Drummond

    other than those…… lets trade the pick for a quality player (solid player in return)

  • Mar 30, 20122:09 am
    by Daye and Knight

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    I just got finished watching some LeBryan Nash highlights. If he declares for the draft I wouldn’t mind using a second rounder on him if we can get a big man in the first round.

    • Mar 30, 201210:28 am
      by sebastian

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      Daye and Knight, I hadn’t heard of the kid, LeBryan Nash before reading your post. I, then, went to checkout some footage of his game and the kid can play.
      He has post game, a face the basket game, can put the ball on the floor and get his own, and has nice range on his jumper.
      He may be a star someday in the League!

      • Mar 30, 201210:39 am
        by Daye and Knight

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        Ya someone told me about him earlier so I decided to finally look him up and he can play! He’s projected to go in the second round if he declares and if he does I hope we consider him

        • Mar 30, 201212:34 pm
          by Coach_Ackley

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          Daye and Knight I agree Le’ Bryan Nash would be a good pick up in the 2nd rd with one of our 2nd rd picks.. @ 6’7″ and 230lbs. he would be a good future SF for the Pistons if he does in fact declare which alot of us hope he does cuz the kid is a beast and since we really have no future SF then why not take him cuz Daye isn’t the awnser and J.J would be best to keep coming off the bench as he’s not quick enough to guard the LeBron’s or the Melo’s where Le’ Bryan Nash can……

  • Mar 30, 20129:18 am
    by John V

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    Our most damning win came against Cleveland (as far as lottery hopes). We might end up having to settle for a Zeller. We are currently in the number 8 spot. Overall, a good get a 8. I think I would get Sulliger though. He is a rebound machine. That is unless Coach Frank frees Macklin!!!

  • Apr 4, 201212:20 am
    by Brian

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    Pistons need a big that can play over the rim Defense and offense. Someone who can catch a pass and dunk the ball. Sullinger is not tall enough or athletic enough for what the pistons need. If Monroe is the face of the future with Knight and stucky then we need something in center that is opposite of Monroe. I don’t think that with the 7th or 8th pick were going to get that. But if i had to choose at those projected picks we’ll be at, Perry Jones would be the guy. 6′ 11 athletic over the rim player with a huge ceiling. Iv’e heard all the talk of sometimes he don’t show up but at 7 or 8th pick he could turn into a beast. Trade max while he’s having his best season in the nba and package him with CV or someone to get anything better in return. comments would be awesome! Thanks fellas

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