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A behind the scenes look at Vernon Macklin with the Fort Wayne Mad Ants

Garrett Martz, an account executive with the Fort Wayne Mad Ants, recently posted the above video blog on Vernon Macklin, which includes highlights and interviews. Here is Martz’s description:

The Mad Ants own NBA assigned player Vernon Macklin played very well on Thursday and Sunday on loan from the Detroit Pistons. After two games he is averaging 15.5 pts, 17 rbs, and 3.5 assists and giving the low post presence we have been lacking all season. For Vernon’s first game with the Mad Ants I decided to do something a little different and create a video synopsis following him during the game. I also interjected a few quick interviews with Mad Ants Coaches, Vernon, and the Piston’s Basketball Operations staff member Dell Potter.

The video is worth your time and should help further the #FreeMacklin movement.

44 Comments

  • Mar 20, 20129:30 am
    by Travis

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    Why is that? For the most part, Macklin is playing against scrubs in the D-League.

    None the less, this is a well done video.

  • Mar 20, 201210:01 am
    by Sebastian

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    Perhaps, Joe was a little slow at assigning Macklin to the D-League. If he (Macklin) had been assigned to the D-League in December, he may be ready to contribute to the squad, now, as WE close out the season.

    Joe has got to start thinking, much quicker, in my opinion. He seems to be far to patient with his decisions.

    • Mar 20, 20127:32 pm
      by Max

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      Maybe Joe was hoping Frank would play him and finally decided it wasn’t going to happen.  I don’t think he would tell him to play him.

  • Mar 20, 201210:04 am
    by domnick

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    is he still at 24 or 25? but the only problem is… when will he contribute to our team? he needs accelerated growth… but so far im convinced that he can contribute.. he just needs more time and more confidence to level up!

  • Mar 20, 201210:10 am
    by IsraeliPiston

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    The proof of the pudding is in the tasting! I love how all the commentators here do not think Macklin can contribute etc. Judge him based on the fact that he is 25 and a second round pick. If all he does is rebound and play some D he will be a great addition to the Pistons.
    Know one and I mean know when will ever know how good or bad he is until he gets his feet wet and plays a lot of games. Remember that Moose did not play at the beginning and then he was horrible getting his shot blocked all the time. He practiced hard and adjusted and look how good he is now.
    The Pistons have nothing to lose by playing him – throw him in the water and let’s find out how good he can swim
    Kudos on this great video – these are the things that makes this blog great and why it is so much better than what the Beat Writers report
     
     

    • Mar 20, 201210:14 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “I love how all the commentators here do not think Macklin can contribute etc.”

      I dunno man … I can only remember reading a couple of comments here saying something like that. Most fans tend to get pretty excited about unknown players like Macklin.

      I don’t if he can contribute or not. I do know that most second rounders don’t pan out. But if he keeps playing well in the D-League and is a hard working player in practice, he’ll crack the lineup eventually. That’s the long path nearly all second rounders who crack NBA lineups have to take (except for Isaiah Thomas this year, who out-played a lottery pick in Jimmer). Even All-Star level players who come out of round two — Redd, Arenas, Mo Williams, etc. — didn’t play much as rookies.

  • Mar 20, 201210:11 am
    by IsraeliPiston

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    *know should be no – sorry.

    • Mar 20, 201211:10 am
      by tarsier

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      My favorite is when he says “know when” instead of “no one”

  • Mar 20, 201210:22 am
    by IsraeliPiston

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    @Patrick
    Fair enough but Detroit is out of playoff chase and rebuilding so why not play him. There are around 30ish first round picks and many of them never make it in NBA. It is really hard for me to believe that out of all the great players in College and Europe only first round picks are given a real chance.
    In my opinion it is more like a fait acompli just seems like second rounders are labeled and never given the attention, coaching and playing time they deserve. So, we never really know how good they could have been — or not.

  • Mar 20, 201211:37 am
    by acr

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    I know that it’s the D league and all, but the first 3 plays of the game- win the jump ball, alley-oop dunk, blocked shot is fun to watch…

    • Mar 20, 20122:01 pm
      by Mark

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      Go to the D-League website, in the Videos section you can watch both games replayed. Watch the first few minutes of the 2nd game, he shows a lot of his low post moves.

      In this video, I liked at the end when the reporter asked him twice what HE neede to work on after the game, and both times all he said was what the team needed to work on. Sounds like a team-first kind of guy. Most guys down there are just trying to get their own stats, like I imagine Bynum was. He’s actually trying to help the team win meaningless D-League, and his big stats seem just to be a by product. Thats encouraging.

  • Mar 20, 201211:42 am
    by labatts

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    Well, this answered the “Where in the world is Christian Laetner?” discussion.

    • Mar 20, 201212:27 pm
      by Todd

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      Funny, that is exactly what I thought! Other than hearing him on the Dan Patrick Show about once a year, I had no clue what Laettner was up to!

  • Mar 20, 201212:14 pm
    by frankie d

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    most second rounders don’t pan out.
    macklin is a second rounder.
    therefore, because most second rounders don’t pan out, macklin won’t pan out.
    see…simple logic.

    • Mar 20, 201212:32 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Well, it’s more logical than whatever criteria you are using to determine that he will pan out.

      Seriously, Vegas would love for you to come and gamble a lot.

      Saying that as a second round pick, Macklin isn’t likely to crack a NBA rotation is based on a lot of evidence that guys picked where he is don’t usually amount to much in the NBA. it’s not a knock on Macklin, it’s just a simple fact. He has long odds against him making it. Now, there are certainly examples of players who do make it. I have no idea what Macklin’s work ethic is like, but it will require both being patient for an opportunity and working really hard behind the scenes until that opportunity arrives.

      Even bad teams don’t play second rounders that much off the bat. As I said above, even AS caliber guys like Redd, Arenas, Williams, etc. sat most of their rookie seasons. Second round picks are roster filler until they prove otherwise, whether that is on good teams or bad teams. I hope Macklin does prove otherwise, and he has certainly shown a few flashes of potential in limited NBA minutes and the D League. But he’s certainly done nothing to show that he’s legitimately a NBA rotation player, either, even for a bad team.

      • Mar 20, 201212:47 pm
        by frankie d

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        please point to anything i’ve ever written that indicated that macklin would “pan out”.
        i’ve never said he would pan out.  i have no idea whether he will pan out. the idea is that the team should give him a legitimate chance to show whether he will or won’t pan out.
        cannot understand why it is considered such a burden for losing, lottery teams to devote PT to determining the value of young players.
        utah’s teams under jerry sloan are a stark exception to the general rules.
        most nba teams do follow that kind of pattern.  and it is a pattern that results from laziness and an inability to look outside the box.
        jerry sloan was a stark exception as he actually let guys compete for positions, regardless of whether they were 1st rounders, second rounders or free agents.
        sloan’s utah teams often featured guys who seemingly came out of nowhere because he gave them a chance.
        btw, i don’t gamble.  gambling is one of the dumbest things folks do.  the house always wins.

        • Mar 20, 201212:58 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “please point to anything i’ve ever written that indicated that macklin would “pan out”.”

          Well, your delightfully sneering comment above that sarcastically derided anyone who would have the audacity to have doubts that a late 50s draft pick who is already 25 might not be a legit rotation guy leads me to believe you think Macklin is more at this point. If he proves me wrong by beating out Jason Maxiell or Ben Wallace, I’m cool with that. But I don’t think considering how well Maxiell has played and how savvy a situational defensive player Wallace still is, the Pistons are losing anything by playing those guys over Macklin. Hell, he’s probably learned a lot from getting smashed by them in practice every day.

          “jerry sloan was a stark exception as he actually let guys compete for positions, regardless of whether they were 1st rounders, second rounders or free agents.”

          Name me a second rounder who played regular rotation minutes as a rookie without having an injury or something to the player in front. I really can’t think of any. I can think of guys like Jerebko who got a shot when a starter or key player got injured, but I’m struggling to come up with rookie second rounders who played right away under different scenarios. It just doesn’t happen often. Sitting Macklin a lot this year isn’t hurting him. He seems to be doing what is asked of him and working hard behind the scenes (which is the opposite of what Terrico White did), so if he can play, I’m confident he’ll play down the road this season or next at some point.

           

          • Mar 20, 20121:28 pm
            by frankie d

            “Name me a second rounder who played regular rotation minutes as a rookie without having an injury or something to the player in front.”
            i’ll do you one better…how about a free agent who plays regular rotation minutes?
            wes matthews.  
            not only did he come in as an undrafted  rookie and play regular rotation minutes, but utah traded the vet who’d been starting in front of him – ronnie brewer, a former 1st round draft choice – to open up a starting position for him. 
            want another free agent?
            sundiatha gaines.  came in as a d league signee and stuck for the rest of the year, as the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation.
            oh yea, there was a recent second rounder who got regular minutes also, without benefit of an injury.
            paul milsap.
            all with utah.

          • Mar 20, 20121:40 pm
            by frankie d

            btw, you still haven’t pointed to anything i’ve ever written that was consistent with what you attributed to me.
            i simply offered a syllogism based on your premise.

          • Mar 20, 20122:06 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            Sundiata Gaines was signed out of the D-League after Deron Williams was hurt, so his minutes were helped by an injury to a star player who played the bulk of Utah’s PG minutes at the time.

            Wes Matthews got an opportunity to play early b/c Utah had injuries to Korver, Harping and Miles to start that season.

            Millsap, I’ll give you. He’s the only second rounder in recent memory that I can think of who earned minutes as a rookie without a player in front of him missing time with injuries. Open to other examples, but I can’t think of any.

            “you still haven’t pointed to anything i’ve ever written that was consistent with what you attributed to me.”

            Maybe you didn’t say that. But as I said, you taking offense to very reasonable suggestions that Macklin is a longshot to make any kind of contribution b/c of his draft status leads me to believe you think differently. Otherwise, why get so cynical about a pretty reasonable point?

             

          • Mar 20, 20123:12 pm
            by Pete

            Didnt Dejuan Blair get alot of minutes as rookie? And isnt Isaiah Thomas starting in Sacramento and he was the last pick in the draft?

          • Mar 20, 20123:17 pm
            by frankie d

            BS on matthews.  he played from the very first game that year.  
            his minutes may have increased as injuries occurred, but he played in all 82 games that year.
            that is a fact.
            gaines was brought up because of an injury but immediately played.
            there are so many examples, i won’t spend lots of time dealing with it.
            manu ginobli.
            dujuan blair.
            mario chalmers.
            reggie williams.
            and the all time example: dennis rodman.
            your statement simply cannot be supported.
            why you’d want to say something and continue to argue something that is simply not true is mystifying.
            some teams are better at giving guys chances than others.
            san antonio.
            utah, under sloan.
            don nelson, wherever he coached.
            some teams are lazy and rigid and spend too much time worrying about their investment in players, rather than whether those players can play.

          • Mar 20, 20123:23 pm
            by frankie d

            “Otherwise, why get so cynical about a pretty reasonable point?”
            who got cynical?
            i simply presented what you stated as a syllogism.
            it looks rather silly once you present it in that fashion. 
            the syllogism i offereded uses your exact words.

          • Mar 20, 20123:34 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            @Pete:

            You are right on Blair, although he’s a bit of a different case because he was a lottery talent who fell to the second round b/c of knee issues.

            Isaiah is playing a lot, mentioned him in another comment above. This thread, I was more talking about players in previous years. You’re right though, Isaiah is one of the few cases where he didn’t get minutes after someone went down with injury. He won them by out-playing their lottery pick.

          • Mar 20, 20123:40 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            “BS on matthews.  he played from the very first game that year.  
            his minutes may have increased as injuries occurred, but he played in all 82 games that year.
            that is a fact.”

            BS on your weak ass examples.

            Matthews played from the very first game that year b/c Korver, Harpring and Miles all went down with injuries in that first week of the season. Yes, he played great once he got the opportunity and never gave those minutes back, but the fact is, if not for injuries, he would’ve had to wait longer for it.

            In most cases, second round picks just simply do not earn minutes out of the gate. It’s rare for them to beat out veteran players in winning or losing situations. The guys that have been successful are guys who work hard, stay ready and take advantage of their minutes when the opportunity for PT arises. Jerebko in Detroit is a perfect example of how it usually happens for them.

            Even Monta Ellis, the best second round pick GS and Nelson ever had, spent most of his rookie year barely playing until Jason Richardson got hurt.

          • Mar 20, 20124:31 pm
            by frankie d

            your position is so full of holes, it’s like a colander.
            you go from saying that it never happens to finding ways to distinguish cases that prove that you are wrong.
            talk about weak! 
            this is what you wrote:
            “Name me a second rounder who played regular rotation minutes as a rookie without having an injury or something to the player in front.”
            you’ve already acknowledged that what you said is not correct, you simply insist on trying to continue to argue your point.
            blair? special player…
            isaiah thomas?  wasn’t talking about this year.  oh!
            millsap? well…yea…
            chalmers?
            ginobli?
            gary neal?
            reggie williams?
            you don’t even bother to deal with those names because you know they prove your categorical statement to be untrue.
            there are plenty others, but i don’t have the time or inclination to do the research.
            matthews played despite the presence of other options on the jazz.  there were several other guards and forwards who could have played.  sloan gave him a shot because he’s that kind of coach, not because of injuries.
            your stubborn insistence is amusing, but revealing.
            you simply cannot write these words:  ”you’re right.  i was wrong.   i should not have made the statement or qualified it in some other fashion. ”
            i think everyone reading this can see that.

          • Mar 20, 20125:12 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            “you go from saying that it never happens to finding ways to distinguish cases that prove that you are wrong.”

            Here is the full context of what I actually said: “Name me a second rounder who played regular rotation minutes as a rookie without having an injury or something to the player in front. I really can’t think of any. I can think of guys like Jerebko who got a shot when a starter or key player got injured, but I’m struggling to come up with rookie second rounders who played right away under different scenarios. It just doesn’t happen often.”

            So no, I didn’t say it “never” happens. I said I couldn’t think of any off the top of my head, because it is not the norm.

            “you’ve already acknowledged that what you said is not correct, you simply insist on trying to continue to argue your point.”

            No, what I’ve said is not incorrect. Second round rookies who get the opportunity at rotation minutes as rookies generally do so because of injuries to veterans in front of them. Doesn’t mean that’s the only way, but it is the most common.

            Also, Ginobili? Really? You’re going to use a guy who had years of professional experience as an example and compare here? Come on.

            “sloan gave him a shot because he’s that kind of coach, not because of injuries.”

            So, so stupid. So stupid. “Well, he gave him a shot because he loves to give plucky underachievers shots. It has nothing to do with the fact that three guys ahead of him started the season NOT PLAYING DUE TO INJURIES!” Jerry Sloan loved Matt Harpring like you love not capitalizing proper nouns or words that start your sentences. You don’t think he was despondent over not being able to play Harpring big minutes? Maybe he would’ve eventually played Matthews. But the bottom line is, he did it when he did it because he didn’t have other options.

            “there were several other guards and forwards who could have played.”

            WHO? With Miles, Korver and Harping out, their wing options were Matthews, Brewer and Kirilenko.

            “you simply cannot write these words:  ”you’re right.  i was wrong.”

            I mean … you aren’t right. My premise isn’t wrong. Without an injury or something similar opening a door, most second round rookies don’t get consistent minutes as rookies. There are few second round rookies who go in an legitimately earn a rotation spot off the bat by beating out people in front of them. Okur did it with the Pistons years ago. Millsap did it. Blair did it. Ginobili did it if you want to not count his years of development in pro leagues overseas and consider him in the same convo as second round rookies. Thomas did it this year, although his competition for minutes at the PG spot were two guys who are probably natural SGs in Jimmer and ‘Reke. Chalmers and Fields did it, but with the help of the Heat and Knicks getting rid of everyone on their roster for cap space, so I’d say those are kind of special circumstances that aren’t the norm.

            But damn, just off the top of my head, Jerebko, Ellis, Matthews, Mo Williams, Sessions, Jordan, James Jones, Korver, BWillie Green, Ariza, Bass, Blatche, Powe, Will Bynum … all guys’ first opportunities at PT were helped b/c of injuries to vets in front of them.

            Seriously man, just go. Go start your own Frankie D’s Super Smart and Profound NBA expert blog somewhere else. I don’t need to read through your smarmy long ass comments, I don’t need to read your lectures accusing others of having no journalistic integrity, I don’t need to hear you say that everyone who doesn’t think Dumars should be fired is some sort of mindless shill naively believing propaganda, I don’t need to know that you have the end-all opinion on every draft prospect in the history of mankind as a result of SEEING THEM ALL PLAY FIRSTHAND and I don’t need to hear you express your love for Jerry Sloan and Gregg Popovich every day. Just leave. It’s for the best. You bitch about the content or at least the intellect of the people who provide it here and elsewhere, you think you and John Hollinger are the only two intelligent NBA analysts out there today, so go prove it. You write enough in the comments to have your own site anyway. Go build your audience. All of the truth seekers out there will find their way to you so that you can inform the ignorant masses! Good luck! I know you’ll do great.

          • Mar 20, 20125:29 pm
            by Sebastian

            Isaiah Thomas, 60th Pick 2011 Draft. Currently getting starters’ minutes at PG position, while averaging 10 ppg, 3.3 apg, 2.3 rpg for the Sacramento Kings.

          • Mar 20, 20125:37 pm
            by frankie d

            lol!
            typical.  weak stuff.
            when you can’t defend what you write you lash out and do exactly what i’d indicated you’d do previously. you try to stop athe dialogue.
            what did jack nicholson say in a few good men?
            you can’t handle the truth! 
            frankly, i don’t come here to interact with you as much as share thoughts with others.
            but you will respond to things i may write in a very detailed fashion and when i respond in kind, you object.
            it is telling that you will spend all of your time reading and responding to what i write and then blame me for the fact that it engages you for whatever reason. as i said, you can always deny me access if that is what you want to do.  it is certainly your preragative.
            i will miss chatting with the likes of max and others.
            asi’ve noted previously, if i don’t like what someone writes, i skip past them.
            and i have not bitched about the general intellect of folks who post here.   sometimes commenters say dumb things and i will call them out on it, but for the most part, i maintain positive relations with most folks who want to interact with me.
            frankly, i wouldn’t care if you never responded to anything i ever wrote.  no one puts a gun to your head to do so.  for whatever reason, you feel compelled to do so.
            your problem is that you can’t handle someone who calls you on the BS that you try to peddle.
            now, you don’t try to peddle it all the time, but when you do, and when someone calls you out on it, you react in this fashion.
            again, your prerogative, but everyone sees what you are doing, and it doesn’t speak well for you.

          • Mar 20, 20128:07 pm
            by Max

            Wow.
            @Frankie D  Sometimes, it seems like you want to frame the issues to make yourself look right and I can see why Patrick feels irritated by you.  You pick apart individual phrases and sentences and fail to acknowledge the spirit.  It’s almost like a semantic argument where you are trying to prove someone is not all knowing when they never said they were.  The exceptions are not the rule and whether Macklin will make it or not; he is not the exception in terms of hitting the ground running–he is not Paul Millsap or Ginobili.  Within the debate itself, Patrick freely admitted he didn’t know if Macklin would make it and hoped he would.  Further, he did write the article for this thread and finished it off by saying it would help the Free Macklin movement.
            @Patrick Sometimes, although they are your own articles, you have a tendency to take things people say as directed towards you when they may be addressing others on the board or just the board in general.  I don’t know if this dynamic played into this argument but Frankie brought up something I’ve felt before when I felt misunderstood.

          • Mar 20, 20128:08 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            Before this went way off the tracks, here are the simple points I was making:
            - It’s not outrageous for rookie second round picks to not play much, if at all. In fact, most don’t play much as rookies, even the guys who end up being very good. Sure, there are situations where guys do get minutes as rookies, whether that is a result of injuries, depleted roster, underperforming veterans, etc. But those situations are far less common than second round picks sitting on the bench a lot as rookies. You can even make a case that sitting isn’t necessarily detrimental to a lot of those guys — Gilbert Arenas very famously turned himself into an All-Star and developed a solid work ethic directly because he sat as a rookie.
            - There is not enough evidence on Macklin to conclude whether he is a useful player or not, and that’s OK. He’s done enough to warrant coming back next year by seemingly having a good attitude and working hard (and also not bristling at being sent to the D-League like Terrico White reportedly did). Yes, the Pistons could really use him developing into a rotation big. But they also needed Jason Maxiell to bounce back, they also needed to get Jerebko minutes and, yes, they need to play Ben Wallace even if this is his last season since he’s their only big with a competent understanding of how to play defense. His minutes, how he does his job, those things bring value to young players like Macklin, Jerebko and Monroe in particular. Investment in second round picks is minimal compared to the investment the Pistons have in players like Monroe, Jerebko, Maxiell and even Villanueva. Yes, the Pistons would benefit from Macklin turning into a rotation big, but they would benefit immensely from Monroe continuing to turn into a franchise guy, Jerebko turning into a starting player at either F spot and Maxiell and Villanueva rebuilding any kind of minimal value to either contribute to this team or make them tradeable for something that isn’t a negative asset. Using the allotted minutes on those things this season seems more valuable to me than seeing if Macklin has any upside. They can figure Macklin out by using practice, D-League, summer league, camp and preaseason next year.
            - I think the Amir Johnson comparison that popped up in another thread and has been mentioned once or twice here is an illogical one. Macklin is older. It took Amir five seasons or so to develop into a functional rotation piece who could stay on the court 20 minutes without fouling out. If Macklin now is where Amir was as a Piston development-wise, I think the chances are less likely that he can develop given that he’s already 25. Now, if he’s better now than Amir was then (and there isn’t enough evidence that he is or isn’t), that’s a different story. Maybe he can help now, maybe he can help next season. At any rate, I don’t think him sitting for now as long as the players in front of him are playing reasonably well (and they have been, even if none of them other than Monroe are starting caliber).
            - And in regards to arguing back and forth with frankie d, I should definitely show more restraint, but it’s probably not happening. I write as a hobby mostly, but I still put an intense amount of work into it, so I have a hard time sitting idly by when people lob criticisms that I feel are unfair in the comments. I have plenty of amicable interactions with people who disagree with me. With you and one or two others though, I have a harder time being civil. I feel like your comments often don’t just disagree with points, they insult the credibility of others (occasionally me, occasionally other writers, occasionally other commenters). I think it’s extremely weak on your part and it’s not something I can easily just let go when it happens.
            I fail to see how any of those points are illogical.

          • Mar 20, 20129:41 pm
            by frankie d

            @max
            “Sometimes, it seems like you want to frame the issues to make yourself look right and I can see why Patrick feels irritated by you.  You pick apart individual phrases and sentences and fail to acknowledge the spirit. ”
            guilty as charged.  for the most part.
            i don’t necessarily frame issues to make me look right, but i do frame them, and pick apart specific words and phrases , in a way consistent with the particular point i am making.
            it’s a habit.  it’s what happens when you go to law school and write briefs for years and years.  specific words matter, and if someone says something specific, then i will typically hold them to those specific, exact words.
            now, that may be a bit strict and somewhat unfair on a blog devoted to basketball where most people are not as concerned with being quite as exact, but it is a habit.  and, i’ve noticed that others can get quite picky with some of the things i’ll post.  i may, however, take it to another level, i will acknowledge.  
            but figuring out the “spirit” of what someone is saying may be just as tough sometimes, though doing so may be more in line with the general  ethos of a blog of this sort.
            i most often make general comments that are not directed towards anyone, specifically.  occasionally, i will direct a comment, but i will specifically do so, and it is obvious that i’ve done so.  and, generally, i try to say anything that might be considered derogatory in a very general way, so that it is not directed to anyone in particular.  oh occasionally, i may say that some commenter has said something dumb,  but that is most definitely the exception, rather than the rule.  yes, i will say lots of snide, cutting things, but rarely will those comments  be directed towards anyone in particular.
            that is especially the case with patrick and daniel.
            i try as hard as i can to be a good guest and not insult the host.  (i certainly don’t think that other writers or even commenters deserve the same consideration.)  but if someone does decide to confront me, then i will certainly respond in kind.   again, another habit.  if someone initiates a confrontation, i will almost always come back with twice as much force.
            i think i do question the validity of statements, especially when they are made with little or no evidence or when someone makes categorical statements that should be qualified.  everyone does that, imho, and i expect it when it happens to me.  but i always do is note that i am expressing my opinion, which is as subject to attack as anyone’s.

  • Mar 20, 201212:27 pm
    by frankie d

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    the best defensive big man who will probably be available when the pistons pick in the second round will probably be bernard james.
    he will be an excellent pro defender.
    the problem, of course, is that he is 26…27? already.  
    big problem.  but on the other hand, he would probably come in and provide excellent leadership, as a result of the fact that he spent 6 years in the air force and spent time in the middle east war zones.
    he would provide invaluable toughness, grit and leadership.  the only issue is what you’d want to invest to get a 27 year old rookie.
    what’s he worth? i don’t know…but that is how joe makes his money….figuring out answers to those questions.

  • Mar 20, 201212:40 pm
    by vic

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    http://www.nerdnumbers.com/splits?team=Detroit+Pistons&from=12%2F25%2F2011&to=03%2F19%2F2012

    comparing Vernon Macklins Points Over Par per 48 with the Pistons lets you know that he possibly could do something better with more minutes. Kind of like Jeremy Lin/ Amir Johnson.

    Its true he’s not the best player on the team like that statistic says he is, but he is blowing out the people who get the similar garbage time minutes that he does.

    A quick look through the PoP on most teams shows that many players with under 100 minutes also have some of the worst PoP on their teams. 
    Which means Macklin has done well with garbage time minutes, while many players do poorly with garbage time minutes. 

    give him a chance!

    I think the rotation should be MAX 10 deep:  3 guards, 3 small forwards, 4 bigs
    this season-
    stuck/knight/gordon
    prince/wilkins/villanueva
    monroe/wallace/jerebko/maxiell

    next season-
    knight/stuck/machado
    prince/jerebko/(jae crowder or draymond green/royce white or Tony Mitchell)
    monroe/maxiell/(drummond or henson or Melo/Ezeli)/macklin

    • Mar 20, 201212:55 pm
      by RationalSportsFan

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      The sample size is just way too small to make any conclusion based off of it.  He’s only played 79 minutes this season.  Random variation is too influential with such a small sample size.
       
      Not saying that Macklin has no chance to be a member of a solid NBA rotation, but the PoP/48 numbers at this point are pretty much useless.

      • Mar 20, 20121:11 pm
        by vic

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        true, they are useless by themselves…

        but when you look at it compared to other players with small sample sizes
        and you look at his d-league production
        it could be an indicator.

        The main point those numbers prove is that he deserves to get that larger sample size.

        • Mar 20, 20121:31 pm
          by RationalSportsFan

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          Comparing his numbers to other players with small sample sizes is not helpful, because those sample sizes are equally useless for those players.  Any differences between players with so few minutes can easily be mere randomness.
           
          I will agree that it is worth giving Macklin a longer look.  And there are plenty of good reasons supporting that claim (eye test, the fact that he looks like he doesn’t belong in the D-League (in a good way), the fact that we suck anyways and need to know what we have in this guy).  I just wouldn’t point to PoP/48 or other advanced rate stats yet, as the sample size is insufficient.

  • Mar 20, 20121:46 pm
    by MrBlockedShot

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    I am happy to see Macklin is getting minutes. That is the best thing that could happen to him right now. He was not going to bloosom by sitting on the bench. He needs to play, he needs minutes, and that is what he is going to get there. Okay, it is not the NBA, so don´t look through his numbers, but you have a lot of guys there fighting for a contract in the NBA, so it´s not fair to understimate what he is achieving there. I can see him playing in the Pistons maybe next year, at least making the team. Maybe as a 9th or 10th player at most, depending on what we get in the draft and his progression. This guy has size, wingspan and can block shots but is raw at offense and has to put some weight on yet. Deffensively he has a long way to go as well. But let’s keep him and see how he develops unless there´s some trade we could not afford to reject involving him… Don’t you agree?

  • Mar 20, 20121:48 pm
    by Mark

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    ^Forget all the numbers. Just watch him play. The guy can play basketball and plays it like an old school big man.

    I’ve watched both D-League games, and I honestly don’t see anything different in his game than what I saw during the 4th qtr minutes he got against NBA players. He gets the same things accomplished against whatever competition he’s faced thus far. He can only play against the players they put him against. And thus far, he’s looked really good against all of them.

    Whether thats a fluke or not, idk, but until its proven otherwise by more PT in the NBA against tougher competition, than I’ll continue to assume he’s going to be a pretty good player.

    • Mar 20, 20121:53 pm
      by frankie d

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      “I’ve watched both D-League games, and I honestly don’t see anything different in his game than what I saw during the 4th qtr minutes he got against NBA players. He gets the same things accomplished against whatever competition he’s faced thus far.”
      that is exactly what i’ve seen.  he’s played the same way, and looks pretty much the same.

      • Mar 20, 20128:12 pm
        by Max

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        I think Macklin can play.

  • Mar 20, 20129:09 pm
    by rick77

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    You finally told his ass Patrick. I actually have had disagreements with the both of you, but you on the other hand respectfully disagree and this guy always tries to make the point you;re referencing or anyone else seem like theyre stupid. Everyone will have different opinions and the fact remains that we will all have different viewpoints, but that does not make any of us stupid or dumb because we do not agree with what the other person said.I say we all have have a lot of passion and want to see the same thing. If you dont agree, just give your reason why and move on. It does not have to be a pissing contest.

    • Mar 21, 201212:23 pm
      by frankie d

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      “…You finally told his ass Patrick. I actually have had disagreements with the both of you, but you on the other hand respectfully disagree and this guy always tries to make the point you;re referencing or anyone else seem like theyre stupid. ….”
       
      i cannot, for the life of me, imagine why anyone would ever say that the person who writes stuff like the above-noted quote would be stupid or dumb.
      can anyone imagine that?   the nerve…
      how could anyone ever begin to think that the brilliant mind that produced that clear, concise, razor-sharp thought  could be dumb?
      pity the fool who would ever dare to think such a thought!
       

  • Mar 20, 20129:26 pm
    by swish22

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    Nice update on Macklin Patrick.  Nice work as always!!  This is my first source for Pistons hoop!
    Maybe a game of horse could settle this war going on!!   I’d be glad to meet either one of you in the finals! (lol)

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