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Pistons would draft Anthony Davis No. 1 and Andre Drummond No. 2

Chad Ford of ESPN believes every team in the NBA would draft Kentucky’s Anthony Davis with the No. 1 pick, and Ford explained why for projected lottery teams:

Detroit Pistons

Odds of winning the lottery: 19.9 percent

Of the teams near the top of the lottery, no one needs Davis more than the Detroit Pistons. The team currently has just one big — Greg Monroe — with any sort of long-term appeal. Pair Monroe with Davis on the front line and the Pistons immediately become a much more dangerous team.

Monroe’s offensive abilities would mesh very well with Davis’ defensive abilities. Put them together with other young players like Brandon Knight and Rodney Stuckey, and suddenly the Pistons have one of the best young cores in the NBA.

Ford thinks the No. 2 pick would depend on the team, but he projects the Pistons would draft Connecticut’s Andre Drummond:

Detroit Pistons

No. 2: Andre Drummond

As we noted on Tuesday, the Pistons currently have just one big — Greg Monroe — with any sort of long-term appeal. While pairing Monroe with Davis on the front line might be more appetizing, the Pistons wouldn’t sneeze at adding Drummond either. On sheer physical talent, he may have more upside than Davis. If he can get his act together, he and Monroe could make a seriously awesome front line.

79 Comments

  • Feb 3, 20121:10 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

    Reply

    Neither! Trade the pick for Cousins…

    • Feb 3, 20122:00 pm
      by b-money

      Reply

      That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard

      • Feb 3, 20122:18 pm
        by Daye and Knight

        Reply

        I’ve seen dumber statements on here before lol no way we trade the pick for Cousins UNLESS we fall to 3rd or 4th and we know we can’t get Davis or Drummond. Then it’s plausible

      • Feb 3, 20122:30 pm
        by Jodi Jezz

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        @b-money: really, how?? Cousins is a proven NBA young talent…Davis and Drummond could bust in the NBA…Unless Davis or Drummond are going to be the Shaq or Howard, I say trade our pick for proven young talent…

        • Feb 3, 20122:31 pm
          by Jodi Jezz

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          correction: unless Davis or Drummond are going to be the NEXT Shaq or Howard

  • Feb 3, 20121:14 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

    Reply

    LOL … Rodney Stuckey? Someone is drinking Joe Dumars’ Rodney Stuckey Kool-Aid.

    • Feb 3, 20122:07 pm
      by Daye and Knight

      Reply

      No, he just realizes that Stuckey is still young and talented and without him we would have lost against Portland and Orlando. It’s not drinking kool-Aid when you realize Stuckey isn’t as bad as people on here like to make him seem to be. He’s added a 3 point game to his skill set and can take it in and draw fouls. He doesn’t turn the ball over and has good defense. He’s our most complete player and he’s doing all of this with a groin injury. A Stuckey/Knight back court will be good for the team when Knight develops and Monroe improves on an already great season. Ford ACTUALLY knows what he’s talking about which is why he’s paid.

      • Feb 3, 20122:58 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        “No, he just realizes that Stuckey is still young and talented”

        He’s in his fifth season in the league. It’s a pretty good bet we know what Stuckey is at this point. He could still improve, but it’s a longshot to think he improves much more than what he is now.

        “without him we would have lost against Portland and Orlando.”

        So?

        “It’s not drinking kool-Aid when you realize Stuckey isn’t as bad as people on here like to make him seem to be.”

        He’s a solid NBA player who can play either position in a pinch. He wouldn’t be considered close to elite at either position though. He has value, but he’s not a prospect anymore.

        “He’s added a 3 point game to his skill set.”

        We’ll see. He’s shot better from three this season. He was terrible from three for four seasons prior to this one. I’d like to see this continue for the entire season before I declare he’s “added” it.

        “can take it in and draw fouls.”

        He can. That’s no doubt a part of the value he brings to the team. He’d be even better if he could finish at the rim at a reasonable rate.

        “He doesn’t turn the ball over and has good defense.”

        He’s solid with the ball. He doesn’t play good defense. He’s capable of playing good defense, but he’s not once put together what anyone would call a good defensive season. Being capable of doing something or doing something inconsistently doesn’t mean it’s a part of his skillset. If he does it every night, I’ll give him credit for it.

        “A Stuckey/Knight back court will be good for the team when Knight develops and Monroe improves on an already great season.”

        Knight has a long ways to go to be an elite PG. Stuckey would not be among the top 12 starting shooting guards in the league if you were to list them (off the top of my head: Wade, Bryant, E. Gordon, Afflalo, Harden, Ginobili, Allen, P. George, Wes Matthews, T. Evans, OJ Mayo, Kevin Martin are all better). That’s not elite either. They’d be, at best, an average backcourt unless one or both improves significantly.

        “Ford ACTUALLY knows what he’s talking about which is why he’s paid.”

        Not saying he doesn’t. But Stuckey is barely a prospect anymore. He’s in his fifth season in the league. How many guys do you know who have played as many minutes as Stuckey has in his career who suddenly make a leap into All-Star caliber player in their fifth year or later?

        • Feb 3, 20127:08 pm
          by gmehl

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          I am glad Stuckey has added a 3pt shot but i would of been happier if he worked harder in the off season on finishing at the rim. This way he could get 3 point plays the easy way by hitting the 2, getting fouled and then sinking the free throw.

      • Feb 3, 20123:03 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Shoot, add Joe Johnson to that list too. So Stuckey, at very best, would be 14th best SG in the league, and I still might be forgetting a few guys. Lou Williams might be better too, depending on whether you consider him a SG or PG, and he’s not even a starter.

        • Feb 3, 20123:43 pm
          by Max

          Reply

          I don’t agree with a lot of that list.   Lou Williams?   Now I know you are prejudiced.

          • Feb 3, 20123:48 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            Lou is the leading scorer on one of the league’s best teams. Who on that list would you legitimately start Stuckey over?

        • Feb 3, 20123:48 pm
          by Daye and Knight

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          Elite?? I’m sorry did I ever mention he was elite? Please by all means if I did quote me on that…and take your sweet time on that one Patrick. Tyreke isn’t a SG he’s been PG all year unless Thorton all of a sudden became their starting PG.
          “he’s not a prospect”
          NO SHIT SHERLOCK
          who said he was a prospect still? Stuckey is still only 25 years old and has plenty of years to improve and adjust to being the starting SG. Stuckey’s problem was inconsistency with the coaching staff.
          “Stuckey’s not top 15″
          Nothing you say is credible to me already because you added Tyreke on a list of SG when he’s a PG…smart move!
          Tyreke can play SG but make no mistake Sacramento has made it clear he’s their PG and I would know because I follow that team as well.
          I have all the respect in the world for Dan and Chad Ford is big time…you’re not so who’s word am I gonna take his or somebody who doesn’t even know Evans position…take your time on that one too.
          We would have lost against Portland and Orlando without Stuckey and all you can say is “So?” really I don’t understand how you even got this job. I think Laser would even be better suited at this then you.

          • Feb 3, 20123:53 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            Haha, dang, I thought all the psychopaths were gone in the comments.

          • Feb 3, 20123:58 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            Evans is technically a PG, but since he’s come into the league, he’s been followed by “Evans isn’t really a PG” stories. The Kings have no better options at the position, so he plays there. Thornton could easily be a sixth man with Evans sliding to the two if they got a point guard who could pass.

            So whatever. If Evans is their SG, he’s better than Stuckey. If Thornton is their SG, he might be a better SG than Stuckey is too.

          • Feb 3, 20124:11 pm
            by Daye and Knight

            Psycho or not I’m still waiting for you to quote me when I said Stuckey was “Elite”

          • Feb 3, 20124:21 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            I never said you called him elite. But your descriptions throughout your comment suggest that you think he’s something close to it — “young and talented” and “He’s our most complete player” (which is total BS, incidentally) and “A Stuckey/Knight back court will be good for the team.”

            I mean, no you didn’t specifically say “elite,” but it implied that you think at least one of the Stuckey/Knight combo will be elite, since most backcourts aren’t “good for the team” if at least one of the players isn’t elite at his respective position.

          • Feb 3, 20125:02 pm
            by Max

            That’s a stretch of logic to say that because he said Knight and Stuckey would be fine as the backcourt that he called Stuck elite.   You argument about elite teams is way off too as for instance the Spurs won a title with two guards named Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro and neither of them was even a league average starter.

          • Feb 3, 20125:20 pm
            by Daye and Knight

            A Knight/Stuckey back court has potential. I’m “allowed” to say that right? To say they would be a good 1-2 punch at the guard positions for our team is different, in likely everyone’s opinion, than calling Stuckey Elite. Those words never came out of my mouth and it’s sad you have to use that as an argument to make yourself feel better but at the end of the day you know I have a logical argument…you on the other hand have to throw in that Stuckey isn’t elite for you to have an argument which no one is saying he is.

        • Feb 3, 20124:53 pm
          by Max

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          I’d start Stuck at guard over Affalo, George (because he should play the three and is too tall to guard guards, witness how Stuckey drove past him at will), Mayo ( Stuckey has outplayed nearly every year by a mile in fantasy sports at least and I’ve actually been winning that bet with a friend for money two years going) and I’m not sure about yet about Matthews who I think is on a similar tier to Stuck.  I’d also add that Stuck will be better than about half the names on that last soon because they are ancient.    Also, Eric Gordon is better than Stuck but is never healthy,
          Further, other than maybe Tyrke and definitely Ginobili, Wade and Bryant, Stuck is a much better PG than the names on that last and that adds a lot to his overall value whether he is a better SG or not.

          • Feb 3, 20128:38 pm
            by D_S_V

            I wouldn’t start Stuckey over Afflalo. 

            It’s so hard to grade Stuckey properly, given he’s playing on one of the shittiest teams in the NBA. That’s why I’m also reserving any definitive conclusions on Knight. As a PG, the number one objective (IMO, at least), should be to make the players around you better. I think D. Rose and others have proved that this doesn’t necessarily mean being a pass first guard, but ideally your play should increase the effectiveness of the players around. Unfortunately, Stuckey/Knight are surrounded largely by bums most of the time. Throw either on Denver (quickly becoming a new favorite team to watch) and I think they’d thrive in the team atmosphere with competent players. But fact of the matter is, neither are close right now to be carrying this roster. Bottom line, though, is we have a larger body of knowledge on Stuckey, and I agree with Patrick here – good rotation player, could start on a contending team, but would have to be the 4th best player, possibly 3rd depending on the roster, but simply not someone to “build around”.

          • Feb 3, 20128:46 pm
            by Max

            @D_S_V —  I don’t think we are so far apart but this debate started because Patrick mocked the notion of Stuckey being included at the 3rd or 4th best piece of a great young core.  He obviously doesn’t agree that Stuckey could be the 3rd or 4th best player on a contending team although I do think he said he was good enough to be a 4th or 5th best starter on a team in general.

    • Feb 3, 20122:31 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      Did Laser just hijack Patrick’s account?  Rodney Stuckey is a very good player and you’re blind if you don’t see it.

      • Feb 3, 20122:46 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Stuckey is not a “very good player.” He’s a reliable rotation player who doesn’t make plays for others enough to be an elite PG and who doesn’t shoot or finish well enough to be an elite SG. He can play either position competently. That’s not a “very good player.” He’s an average or slightly above player with almost five seasons worth of evidence to support that conclusion.

        • Feb 3, 20123:22 pm
          by Max

          Reply

          His PER last season says he’s a good player; and has been averaging around 5 assists as a starter over his career even though his teammates can’t finish plays and hit open jumpers.  If you don’t believe in PER, look at the list and pick out the players with similar PERS who are not good players so I know you are not just horribly prejudiced against Stuck.  I read a lot about how Stuck never passes but he finishes in the top 30 in assists every year and since there are 30 starting PGs and players at other positions who put up assists, he puts up more assists than people give him credit for.
          Defense is always more about team then individual and Stuckey is a very good defensive player who would look much better if he wasn’t running around covering up for other people’s mistakes.
          He boasts elite production and efficiency from the line and outperforms most starting guards at not turning over the ball.
          Doubting his improvement at the 3 point line is your prerogative but it reveals which way you’d rather argue and a prejudice against Stuck.
          Also, many PGs have improved dramatically after their fifth season: Take a look at Kyle Lowry this year……how about Steve Nash; he averaged 30 minutes or so for two seasons at age 24 and 25 and didn’t even average 10 points a game.  At age 26, he blossomed into a very good PG if not an all star.   He wouldn’t make the all star game until the following year though at 27 when he once again made a marked improvement.

          • Feb 3, 20123:30 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            “Prejudiced against Stuck.” Haha. Give me a break.

            He’s a solid NBA player. I’ve said that hundreds of times. These are things I believe about him:

            • He’s a starting caliber player in the league who can give decent minutes at either guard spot.
            • He’s never going to be an All-Star level contributor
            • His strengths: takes care of the ball can gets to the free throw line (and hits his FTs)
            • Should be his strength: defense, but he plays lazy at that end of the court fairly regularly
            • I believe that Stuckey is not a prospect anymore. He will probably improve some, but as far as making some huge leap? I think that time has passed. I could and hope I’m wrong, but he’s been around a long time and played a lot of minutes.

            “Take a look at Kyle Lowry this year”

            That’s not a good comparison, since Lowry spent a portion of his career as a backup. When he got more minutes, his production increased. Stuckey has been playing a lot of minutes and been a starter for a long time.

            “how about Steve Nash;”

            Come on, seriously?

            “Doubting his improvement at the 3 point line is your prerogative but it reveals which way you’d rather argue and a prejudice against Stuck.”

            No, it just reveals that him making 37 percent of 37 attempts has done enough to dissuade me yet. He certainly could be adding a credible 3-point shot. But 263 career attempts at a sub-30 percent clip say otherwise. I just want to see it longer. I don’t see how that is unreasonable.

          • Feb 3, 20123:37 pm
            by Max

            I didn’t say it was unreasonable, just that it revealed a prejudice.   You didn’t have to take up the argument on that point but you did.   Leaving it alone would have been more neutral and I’m inclined to think Stuckey’s improvement at 3 point shooting is real because his jumper looks different and passes the eye test.
            I didn’t bring up Nash to say Stuckey could be as good but rather as one example of a guard who dramatically improved post 25  and the examples are literally legion, particularly at PG which is universally considered the hardest position to learn.
            The idea of whether Stuck should be considered a prospect is at least a little open since he has not played a lot of minutes consistently at the 2 guard and he could even be said, like Chauncey Billups, to be under the burden of learning a new position this season.  Further, his stats and performance this year in general should admit that he is playing injured.

        • Feb 3, 20123:30 pm
          by Max

          Reply

          Also, the last time Stuckey played on a good roster, as in during the playoffs against BOS, everyone was going gaga over him and since then he has been horribly scapegoated since he has generally been the best player on a bad team.  You can say you have seen Stuckey play a lot of minutes but you can’t say you have seen him play a lot of minutes with a competent roster that was committed to a good game plan.  Playing PG as a youngster with some of the most chaotic conditions that have ever been seen in the league and yet being the most complete and best player year in and year out will I believe make him much stronger when the team is actually good.  The pressure of a big game will be nothing compared with the pressure he has been facing now for years as a targeted scapegoat.

          • Feb 3, 20123:36 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            That’s some melodramatic BS.

            You know why people went “gaga” for him in the playoffs? Because he was a rookie who had some exciting moments on a veteran team that hadn’t received meaningful contributions from a young player in, like, forever.

            The team bit way way too hard on those playoff performances. They assumed he was ready to be a starting PG. He wasn’t. They assumed he’d develop into a franchise cornerstone. He didn’t.

            Those things don’t make him a bad player. The expectations placed on him by the organization were ridiculous. He’s developed into a solid NBA player and a good find in the middle of the first round. People who are doing exactly what you are doing — beating the drum and making excuse after excuse for the guy and insisting he’s some sort of major prospect — are exactly the reason there is backlash against Stuckey.

            Just let him be what he is, a solid NBA player. He’s not a prospect, he’s not a building block, he’s just a reliable guy that can be one of the four or five best players on a good team. He most definitely can’t be the first or second best player on a good team, unless he makes some huge leap defying the large body of work from his previous seasons in the league. It’s not impossible, but it’s unrealistic to expect that it will happen.

          • Feb 3, 20123:41 pm
            by Max

            He was their best player in his 2nd year and they did make the playoffs, albeit as an 8 seed but people tend to forget that they played much better throughout most of that year, had a lot of injuries down the stretch and lost most of their games during the final month.

          • Feb 3, 20123:50 pm
            by Daye and Knight

            Max don’t bother Patrick clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing or talking about.

    • Feb 3, 20124:53 pm
      by Badboyz4ever

      Reply

      Your just a Stuckey hater!

      • Feb 3, 20125:03 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

        Reply

        *You’re

        • Feb 3, 20125:06 pm
          by Max

          Reply

          Jeez–how petty.

          • Feb 3, 20125:09 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            A pet peeve of mine: if you’re going to troll me, at least troll me with correct usage and grammar. If you can’t, then don’t troll people.

        • Feb 3, 20127:04 pm
          by Daye and Knight

          Reply

          LMAO

  • Feb 3, 20121:27 pm
    by jake

    Reply

    PISTONS FAN TRADE ALERT:
    trade tayshaun to the celtics in the offseason for their 1st rounder (they’d be able to absorb his contract with allen and garnett coming off the books whom they’d obviously re-sign for one last push,) and draft kendall marshall, a true floor general. this team seriously lacks flow to the offense and obviously, we lack an interior presence on defense. add marshall and davis to the mix, and suddenly, things do a complete 180. these moves, of course, are coupled with both BG and CV gone through amnesty or trade.

    • Feb 3, 20126:02 pm
      by vic

      Reply

      that’s the best Idea i’ve seen this year, on any Pistons blog. now somebody shoot it down. If you can’t, then demand it!

    • Feb 3, 20126:04 pm
      by vic

      Reply

      love Kendall Marshall. Marshall Knight Stuckey = Passing Shooting Defense

  • Feb 3, 20121:31 pm
    by dvs

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    Knight – Stuckey – jonas/daye – Davis – Monroe
     
    that’s a low seed playoff team on the rise. I hope we win the lottery. we deserve it.

  • Feb 3, 20121:42 pm
    by Moe

    Reply

    anthony davis just isnt what we need . hes a frail body and wont be as much a force in the league drummond is it all day

    • Feb 3, 20122:09 pm
      by Joe Dumars

      Reply

      Come on now, hes 18, 19 years old. He can still add weight. Not to mentioned two years ago he was just a 6’2″ point guard, so hes still getting used to his body.

    • Feb 3, 20122:13 pm
      by Daye and Knight

      Reply

      Dwight Howard was only 240 pounds when he was a rookie, Davis is 220 and still growing. The safest bet would be to draft Davis and hope he pans out and gains weight. Just because Daye can’t seem to gain weight doesn’t mean Davis can’t. I would rather have Drummond as well but how he develops is anyone’s guess. Davis is breaking blocking records already he can certainly alter shots. If Monroe develops more and puts on an extra 10 pounds and keep his speed, then Davis would be the perfect compliment. Drummond is more of an upside pick IMO

    • Feb 3, 20122:34 pm
      by Max

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      Davis is probably better than Marcus Camby skill wise but they compare as bodies and while I don’t want the Camby who always got hurt at the beginning of his career, I think Camby proved during his career his body could hold down the center position very well.    Now, if he played with Greg Monroe, than Camby would have been a PF like Davis would.

  • Feb 3, 20121:59 pm
    by b-money

    Reply

    I take Davis 1st all day. Drummond scares me a little more, but as long as it is not Barnes or JonesIII i’m ok with it

  • Feb 3, 20123:50 pm
    by frankie d

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    i’d take jones.  only problem with him, imho, is his defensive intensity.  now, that is no small matter, but it may just be a matter of focusing him on that end.  
    he is a special talent.  right behind both davis and drummond in talent. 
    unless barnes is the second coming of michael jordan – a player limited by the system - barnes is just going to be a good scoring wing, something that is fairly easy to acquire.  a guy like jones – or kidd-gilchrist – is much less common.  
    by the way, camby is still fragile.  he still misses lots of games.

    • Feb 3, 20124:56 pm
      by Max

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      Camby is now ancient and he always got hurt too much but he did prove his body could hold up to a lot of career games and he did have some healthier seasons.   Prince, RIP, Garnett and Reggie Miller are examples of very thin players who were pretty healthy throughout their careers so I don’t think anyone should just assume Davis is going to be injury prone.

  • Feb 3, 20123:55 pm
    by Scott

    Reply

    Dont quote me on this, but I just heard thru nbadraft.net that Andre Drummond is pulling out of the 2012 draft. If this happens, and we miss out on Davis, I’m thinking we trade down in order to move one of our bad contracts and pick up Meyers Leonard at the same time. Thats just my take on it.

  • Feb 3, 20124:37 pm
    by Joe Dumars

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    Defending Stuckey is some homerish ish. Hes the type of player thats only good as the team around him. Not the type you can build around.

    Stuckey is almost 26, which is about the age you stop talking about someone having potential.

    • Feb 3, 20124:58 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      Plug Stuckey into either stating guard spot in New York and watch him become the toast of town.  He’d blow up in NY, raise his numbers and fix their most pressing issues.

      • Feb 3, 20125:03 pm
        by Joe Dumars

        Reply

        lol good joke. Stuckey on the same team with Amare and Carmelo would be a disaster.

        NY needs a true point guard, not a combo guard.

      • Feb 3, 20125:06 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

        Reply

        Plug any D-League player with a pulse in NY’s starting backcourt and he’d be an upgrade over Toney Douglas. That comment isn’t exactly the compliment to Stuckey you meant it to be.

    • Feb 3, 20126:07 pm
      by Max

      Reply

      Isn’t attacking Stuck the opposite of being homerish.  Why are you here anyway, “Joe Dumars”, because you certainly where your mask of “Joe Dumars” as a mockery of a any Piston fan.

  • Feb 3, 20125:04 pm
    by Max

    Reply

    Nonsense.

    • Feb 3, 20125:14 pm
      by Joe Dumars

      Reply

      What’s nonsense is NY adding another player that wants to score. Stuckey would hardly help that teams depth issue.

      • Feb 3, 20125:33 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        Huh?  Adding any mediocre player would help NYs depth issue.  That’s why it’s called a depth issue.   In  any event, Stuckey would be the best and most trusted guard on the Knicks and it wouldn’t even be close.

  • Feb 3, 20125:13 pm
    by Max

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    I’d trade Tony Douglas and Douglas isn’t bad, he’s just not a real PG, is most valuable as a shooter, and his shooting shoulder has been injured this year.  Look at how down he is from his normal shooting pct.
    That said, I said Stuckey’s numbers would improve in NY and if he was averaging say 17 and 7.5 for the Knicks while guarding the opponents best guard or wing, you wouldn’t be arguing that he is mediocre.

    • Feb 3, 20125:30 pm
      by Joe Dumars

      Reply

      I’d think Stuckey’s numbers would decrease playing with Amare and Carmelo, at least ppg.

      Even if Stuckey’s numbers did improve with NY, improved stats don’t = more wins.

      Like I said before NY needs needs a true point guard( like Nash ), not a combo guard.

      • Feb 3, 20125:34 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        Stuckey’s PPG would improve in New York because of their pace of play, the role D’Antonio likes a PG to play and because he would more room to operate while facing less defensive pressure than at any point in his career.

  • Feb 3, 20125:17 pm
    by leonelreo

    Reply

    3 things to say
    -IMHO, Stuckey is a mid-level player. not a top 15 SG, neither a top 15 PG. We would better think about worse starting SGs in the league.
    -Daye? Still Daye as a starter? How can anyone say that? They should pack him along with CV and BG, and send them anywhere. (Alaska, maybe?)
    -Isn’t it sad to be thinking about (top) draft picks at this moment of the season?
     

    • Feb 3, 20129:50 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Pistons fans were thinking draft picks before the season began.

  • Feb 3, 20125:36 pm
    by Max

    Reply

    And Stuckey would have the Knicks winning a lot more games IMHO.

    • Feb 3, 20125:53 pm
      by Joe Dumars

      Reply

      Right.

      If that were the case going to NY would mean Stuckey’s stat increase has more to do with the system than it does with Stuckey’s progression as a player. You’re just proving my point before about Stuckey being only as good as the players around him.

      Amare and Carmelo already has chemistry issues, what do you think adding a combo guard who wants to score is going to do? NY has huge issues with defense, and depth, Stuckey doesn’t even barely fix that.

      • Feb 3, 20126:01 pm
        by Max

        Reply

        Where did the myth of Stuckey as a selfish player get started, how did it take root and infect people’s minds with such falsity?   Stuckey has even said he doesn’t mind whether he starts or comes off the bench and he has been leading the team in assists for several seasons.   He has averaged 5 assists a game while playing for one of the slowest teams in the league possession wise with players who can’t hit open jump shots to pass to.   If he had even averaged one more assist over the last 2-3 seasons, we are probably not even having this conversation so I agree with you about system, but it is the Pistons system that has depressed his numbers.

        • Feb 3, 20126:19 pm
          by Joe Dumars

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          You’re just putting words in my mouth. Just because I say he likes to score doesn’t mean I think hes selfish, hes just not that great of a scorer. My issue with them adding Stuckey is that both Amare and Carmeloo command the ball in their hands, and adding another scorer to the team doesn’t help their other issues.

          Now take a look at Landry Fields, his number automatically went down once they added Carmello. Carmello has been a blackhole on that team every since they traded for him.

          • Feb 3, 20126:27 pm
            by Max

            Field’s numbers went down because he had been living off of Felton and was thriving in their running game–Fields has turned a corner the past couple of weeks btw and has been playing his best ball since the Felton trade.
            Rodney Stuckey, whatever his deficiencies has no trouble bringing the ball up and is one of the least susceptible guards to pressure in the entire league.   All the Knicks really need a PG to do is run the ball in general and to get the ball up the court and hand it off to Melo or Amare to isolate when there is no possibility of a fast break.   Stuckey does not shoot a great pct but neither does he take a lot of ill advised shots or turn the ball over the way their current PGs do.   You say Stuckey will shoot too much but he wouldn’t take the kind of shots Shumpert takes and would safely hand the ball off to their two stars.

  • Feb 3, 20126:04 pm
    by Max

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    Question, going into last season, Raymond Felton’s first in NY, who did you rate higher between Felton and Stuck?   Felton’s numbers and stature in the league took an enormous leap by leaving the Bobcats and getting to play for D’Antoni and until that happened, Stuckey always went higher in fantasy drafts which is a pretty objective basis for the national perspective on players.

    • Feb 3, 20126:26 pm
      by Joe Dumars

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      I can’t say I ever paid attention to Felton with the Bobcats.

      Stuckey was probably rated higher, because he hes younger, and at the time looked to have more upside. Felton was rated higher this year though.

  • Feb 3, 20126:35 pm
    by Max

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    BTW:  While on the fantasy front, I can tell you as a fact that Stuckey has far outperformed his draft position in fantasy drafts every year he has been in the league other than his rookie season which means that he has generally been underrated on a national basis.

    • Feb 3, 20126:52 pm
      by Joe Dumars

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      “Field’s numbers went down because he had been living off of Felton and was thriving in their running game–Fields has turned a corner the past couple of weeks btw and has been playing his best ball since the Felton trade.”

      Yeah lets not act like the Knicks had Billups after the Melo trade.

      • Feb 3, 20127:11 pm
        by Max

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        And that Billups got hurt after the trade either.   I don’t think they even played a month’s worth of regular season games together.

    • Feb 3, 20127:11 pm
      by Daye and Knight

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      Stuckey won me a championship last year when he went on to average 25ppg and 8 assist in his final 5 games

  • Feb 3, 20128:30 pm
    by Max

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    Good call!  Stuckey has helped me win multiple championships over the years.
    And Monroe is almost like an MVP this year.

  • Feb 3, 201211:02 pm
    by Jay

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    Repost Warning:

    Posted this in an earlier thread but it still applies here.

    Davis and Drummond are both impact big men who have the potential to be 20-10 guys. I think the biggest issue is where should Monroe be playing?
    Monroe is a PF, while it is possible that Davis COULD grow into being a Center, Drummond IS a center. He can step in from day 1 and match up physically with Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan, Emeka Okafor, Andrew Bynum, Roy Hibbert, Tyson Chandler, Javale Magee, Andre Bargnani, Andris Biedrins, Marc Gasol, DeMarcus Cousins, Robin Lopez, and Tim Duncan. At somewhere between 6’11? and 7’1? (depending on who you ask) with a 7’6? wingspan and a lean bulk comming in at around 265-270, Drummond is the physically imposing figure that the Pistons defense needs. His size and back to the basket game would better compliment Monroe’s face-up/high post game. Furthermore Drummond would force opposing centers to be more honest in help against Monroe because of his excellent passing skills would result in a lot of easy dunks for a player like Drummond.
    Don’t get me wrong, Davis is an AMAZING athlete and could very well be the next KG. I just think based on what the Pistons have, particularly in Greg Monroe, Drummond would be the better player to compliment his style.
    If, god forbid, get knocked out of the top 2 and those two guys are gone their best option would be to trade down. A lot of experts will want them to take a Harrison Barnes or a player like Baylor’s Perry Jones or OSU’s Sullinger but I think those choices would be HUGE mistakes. Obviously the last thing that Detroit needs right now is another SF and right now they are sooooo bad on defense Jones and Sullinger would only make the problems worse. Jones is an indifferent defender even though he has the ability to be an elite shot blocker. Sullinger works hard on defense and is one of the top defensive rebounders in the NCAA. However, he plays a terrestrial based game and relies on being more physical than his opponents which will not be the case in the NBA. Futhermore, Sullinger provides no defensive presence in help defense, he doesn’t block or intimidate shots the way Davis or Drummond would.
    If the Pistons did get bumped they need to move down to the late lottery where they can still pick up a legitimate center. Although the players they can find there won’t be immediate impact guys ready to be all stars from the start there are a number of Fr./So. centers who could be just as good as the top guys in 1-3years. If I were running the draft room and didn’t get Drummond or Davis I would be looking at the 2nd tier guys in this order:
    1: Meyers Leonard
    2: Cody Zeller
    3: Tyler Zeller
    4: Fab Melo
    5: Festus Ezeli
    6: Jeff Withey
    7: Robert Sacre
    8: Marshall Plumlee
    9: Gorgui Dieng
    10: Aaric Murray
    11: Dewayne Dedmon
    12: John Riek
    Obviously some of these guys are definite 2nd rounders but if you miss on the top guys you may have to look 2nd round for Size v. Value decisions. By trading out of the top 5 Detroit likely could secure 2 first round picks.

    • Feb 4, 201212:28 am
      by Max

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      I agree, if the the Pistons can’t draft Davis and Drummond, they should trade down to a pick where they will pick a center and pick up a pick or player in the process.  This draft should go by position for once and especially after they were forced to opt for talent over need with Knight.

  • Feb 4, 20129:01 pm
    by BenGordon

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    Anthony Davis/Andre Drummond is Okafor/Dwight Howard all over again. Davis is a once every few years type prospect, while Drummond is a once in a decade type prospect.

  • Apr 9, 201311:34 pm
    by Quibids.com

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    Great blog 9/10! Bookmarked :)

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