Comments on: Lawrence Frank returns to New Jersey http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Fri, 24 May 2013 17:59:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Murph http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47577 Murph Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:41:49 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47577 Oops...you're right...never mind. Oops…you’re right…never mind.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47573 Max Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:30:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47573 I'm not sure, but it seemed like no team in the entire league was interested and while I don't follow reality TV or the tabloids, I really have never understood, despite the constant putdowns, why everyone seems to hate Humprhries so much. That said, a big dumb animal that rebounds and everyone in the country hates: sounds like a Piston to me.  And I've wanted Reggie Evans on the "Stones for the last decade. I’m not sure, but it seemed like no team in the entire league was interested and while I don’t follow reality TV or the tabloids, I really have never understood, despite the constant putdowns, why everyone seems to hate Humprhries so much.
That said, a big dumb animal that rebounds and everyone in the country hates: sounds like a Piston to me.  And I’ve wanted Reggie Evans on the “Stones for the last decade.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47555 Patrick Hayes Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:37:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47555 <p>I thought Hump was unrestricted?</p> I thought Hump was unrestricted?

]]> By: Murph http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47553 Murph Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:31:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47553 "It's just business.  Why waste time with an RFA whom you probably won’t get..." Yes well, whatever the reason, be it collusion or just business, it's tough to fault Dumars for not going after Humphries, when every team in the NBA uses the same strategy of not going after other team's restricted FAs.  “It’s just business.  Why waste time with an RFA whom you probably won’t get…”

Yes well, whatever the reason, be it collusion or just business, it’s tough to fault Dumars for not going after Humphries, when every team in the NBA uses the same strategy of not going after other team’s restricted FAs. 

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47542 Dan Feldman Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:42:45 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47542 <p>It would be illegal if an unspoken agreement exists. Any evidence of that? If the players had evidence, I'm sure they would sue. It's just business. Why waste time with an RFA whom you probably won't get when signing him to an offer sheet might make you miss out on UFAs.</p> It would be illegal if an unspoken agreement exists. Any evidence of that? If the players had evidence, I’m sure they would sue.

It’s just business. Why waste time with an RFA whom you probably won’t get when signing him to an offer sheet might make you miss out on UFAs.

]]> By: Murph http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47535 Murph Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:41:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47535 On Humphries, correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be an unspoken agreement among NBA GM's and owners not to bid up other team's restricted FAs.  I remember when David Lee was a restricted FA.  The only offer he got was from the Knicks, and Lee eventually had to re-sign with the Knicks for 1 year at $7 million, which seemed to be way below his free market value. Similarly, last off season, when Humphries was a restricted FA, no team besides the Nets bid for him.  The Nets eventually re-signed Humphries for 1 year at $8 million, which again seems to be way below his free market value. And finally, last year when Stuckey was a restricted FA, again no other team besides the Pistons bid for his services, and the Pistons eventually re-signed him for 3 years at $25 million.  It's hard to say what Stuckey's free market value really was, but 3 years at $25 million seems very reasonable.   (Although, I'm sure many might disagree.)  I'm sure there are other examples, but I'm too lazy to look them up right now. So my question is:  If NBA GMs and owners really do have an unspoken understanding to not bid on each other's resticted FAs, why is that legal?  Doesn't that represent collusion?  Why doesn't the NBA players union sue the owners, the way the MLB players union sued the owners for collusion in the late 1980s, when Kirk Gibson, Jack Morris and Doyle Alexander were given low-ball offers, among others? On Humphries, correct me if I’m wrong, but there seems to be an unspoken agreement among NBA GM’s and owners not to bid up other team’s restricted FAs.  I remember when David Lee was a restricted FA.  The only offer he got was from the Knicks, and Lee eventually had to re-sign with the Knicks for 1 year at $7 million, which seemed to be way below his free market value.

Similarly, last off season, when Humphries was a restricted FA, no team besides the Nets bid for him.  The Nets eventually re-signed Humphries for 1 year at $8 million, which again seems to be way below his free market value.

And finally, last year when Stuckey was a restricted FA, again no other team besides the Pistons bid for his services, and the Pistons eventually re-signed him for 3 years at $25 million.  It’s hard to say what Stuckey’s free market value really was, but 3 years at $25 million seems very reasonable.   (Although, I’m sure many might disagree.) 

I’m sure there are other examples, but I’m too lazy to look them up right now.

So my question is:  If NBA GMs and owners really do have an unspoken understanding to not bid on each other’s resticted FAs, why is that legal?  Doesn’t that represent collusion?  Why doesn’t the NBA players union sue the owners, the way the MLB players union sued the owners for collusion in the late 1980s, when Kirk Gibson, Jack Morris and Doyle Alexander were given low-ball offers, among others?

]]> By: Shane http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47388 Shane Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:42:20 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47388 Is it wrong to wish Knight shot more threes than midrange jump shots? It appears he has a better chance of making a shot beyond the arc than inside Is it wrong to wish Knight shot more threes than midrange jump shots? It appears he has a better chance of making a shot beyond the arc than inside

]]> By: gmehl http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47386 gmehl Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:39:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47386 I thought Deron Williams was murdering us tonight then i looked at the box scores closer to see they actually have Jordan, Shawne, Sheldon and a Deron Williams. I thought Deron Williams was murdering us tonight then i looked at the box scores closer to see they actually have Jordan, Shawne, Sheldon and a Deron Williams.

]]> By: gmehl http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47380 gmehl Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:06:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47380 I wanted Joe to go after David Lee and sit on that extra money until the season after. Heck i would of been ok if he just signed CV and kept the rest. As far as Joe getting fired i don't think that will happen but you can bet your bottom dollar that management have him on notice. As a fan of Joe Dumars<strong> the player</strong>, i hate being put in the position of despising Joe Dumars <strong>the GM</strong>. It kind of makes me feel like i am being disloyal to him but i know i have to separate the 2. I too have defended him over the last 3 years and i am flat out running out of excuses for him. The part of me that was a big fan of Joe Dumars <strong>the player</strong> won't let me stop rooting for him to get back to his former GM days. I wanted Joe to go after David Lee and sit on that extra money until the season after. Heck i would of been ok if he just signed CV and kept the rest. As far as Joe getting fired i don’t think that will happen but you can bet your bottom dollar that management have him on notice. As a fan of Joe Dumars the player, i hate being put in the position of despising Joe Dumars the GM. It kind of makes me feel like i am being disloyal to him but i know i have to separate the 2. I too have defended him over the last 3 years and i am flat out running out of excuses for him. The part of me that was a big fan of Joe Dumars the player won’t let me stop rooting for him to get back to his former GM days.

]]> By: Steve K http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/lawrence-frank-returns-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-47377 Steve K Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:41:21 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8825#comment-47377 And it wasn't like this was a secret. The fact that many folks on this board wanted Humphries shows that it's friggin' common knowledge. Why Joe D stuck with the old guard is the last nail in his coffin. I defended the guy up until this year. After his bizarre moves, he's completely un-defendable. He must go. And it wasn’t like this was a secret. The fact that many folks on this board wanted Humphries shows that it’s friggin’ common knowledge.

Why Joe D stuck with the old guard is the last nail in his coffin. I defended the guy up until this year. After his bizarre moves, he’s completely un-defendable. He must go.

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