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Brandon Knight does things a competent point guard should do against Milwaukee, but what he follows up with is most important

On cue, after lots of healthy discussion around here today on the merits of Brandon Knight, he delivered his most promising performance in Detroit’s win over Milwaukee Friday.

Knight’s scoring early was impossible to ignore. He hit 3-pointers, attacked the basket, drew fouls and scored 18 first half points (and a career high 26 in the game), helping the Pistons get off to a good start for a change, something they’ve rarely been able to do this season. The scoring was certainly nice, but for the first time this season, Knight made the correct pass and delivered those passes with precision consistently throughout the game.

He finished with seven assists. He was owed a few more — Jason Maxiell, Jonas Jerebko and Tayshaun Prince all missed very make-able shots off of great passes in the first half that should have resulted in assists. But the outcome wasn’t as important as the setup. Knight’s passes were on target. He made amazing passes through traffic for layups. He made basic passes that simply kept the offense flowing. He has done neither of those things particularly well this season. For the first time, Knight’s production matched the rhetoric that he could be the starting point guard of the future.

Another name that came up in discussions of Knight today is Rodney Stuckey, both because Ben Gulker noted that Stuckey’s rookie assist/turnover numbers were far superior to Knight’s and because of my arguments with a couple Stuckey-loving slappies. I’m reminded of something Dan Feldman wrote about Stuckey earlier this season:

Stuckey is – obviously to nearly everybody – not close to Westbrook’s level. Playing through injury during a blowout loss won’t get him there. Playing well consistently will.

Once Stuckey gets healthy, that’s what I hope to see from him – not just sporadic bursts of energy, focus and production when it suits him.

Stuckey deserves credit for playing well enough lately to raise expectations, and I’m hoping this is finally the time he’ll break through. But he must earn it in games that don’t hold extra meaning to him.

Stuckey has undeniable talent and things he does well. But, as Dan noted, he’s spent four plus seasons now trying to turn into a player who can do more than offer tantalizing glimpses at a player capable of being more than simply a serviceable rotation player.

Knight’s performance against Milwaukee was a nice surprise considering his recent struggles and the fact that he arguably his worst pro game against these same Bucks less than a week ago. Knight isn’t the same player as Stuckey, but his challenge is the same: performances like this have to become routine, not pleasant surprises, if he’s going to become the player the Pistons think he is. As Stuckey has show during his career, finding that consistency isn’t so easy.

Greg Monroe does what Greg Monroe does

Nothing to see here, just a young center bullying like he does every night. Monroe had 18 points and 11 rebounds. He still didn’t shoot enough — he finished 7-for-12 with Knight and Prince both taking more shots than him. Nearly every time Monroe catches the ball around the basket, he gets a quality look for himself, even if they don’t all go in (but seriously … a large percentage go in, throw him the ball a lot more!).

He is still having a bit of a turnover issue. He had four more tonight, so that’s 14 in his last three games. But, as commenter David noted the other night, at least Monroe is making up a bit for those turnovers by getting steals at the other end. He had two vs. Milwaukee and now has nine over the last three games.

Jonas Jerebko helps everyone

Jerebko’s stats aren’t going to jump off at anyone — 6 points, 3 rebounds, an assist, a steal and a block in 22 minutes — but when he’s his active self, as he was tonight, he really helps the Pistons’ offense have some flow to it.

The Pistons don’t have many players who move without the ball. Stuckey, Knight and Prince all like to have the ball in their hands. Monroe doesn’t get it as often as he should, but he’s also a player who can be effective by touching the ball a lot on offense.

But for any of those players to look better when they are dominating the ball, they need movement. When they don’t get it, the offense is arguably the ugliest in the league. I’ve noted a few times that Monroe, in particular, benefits from an active Jerebko in the lineup because, unlike the others mentioned, Monroe is really good at hitting cutters and Jerebko is really good at making cuts.

Well, if Knight’s performance tonight is an indication, he might have the ability to pass on the move to guys who are also moving. Three times in the game, Knight got penetration and found Jerebko for an easy layup, then hit him trailing a play for a dunk and set up a short jumper that Jerebko will normally make, he just didn’t in this case. Jerebko’s minutes are somewhat limited because he’s had foul problems this season and, because of his frenetic style, he gets tired. A tired Jerebko is less effective. But when Lawrence Frank can keep him fresh and when Jerebko can keep himself from picking up cheap fouls, he can potentially help make Knight an even better player by providing a constant target for him.

Passive Austin Daye returns

Daye had a frustrating performance against Milwaukee. When he had a few good games to break out of his bad shooting slump a couple weeks ago, Daye was using his jumper to set up his dribble. The key, obviously, is he had to take his jumper and make it to make the defense understand it’s a threat. Those makes from the perimeter gave him more opportunities to put it on the floor.

Against the Bucks, Daye was hesitant to shoot his jumper again. He passed up good looks. He dribbled into worse shots than the ones he passed up. He missed a jumper in the third quarter and was slow to get back on defense, leading to an uncontested Milwaukee dunk and also leading to Daye taking a seat on the bench for the rest of the evening.

Daye is another lighting rod of debate around here, with a few commenters frequently objecting to Frank’s short leash with him. Tonight, it appeared that Daye’s teammates helped Frank make the decision. Knight and Maxiell were both visibly upset when Daye passed up good looks at shots on offense. Stuckey seemed upset with him on the transition dunk. It’s a recurring theme with Daye. If he doesn’t immediately make shots when he enters the game, his confidence is shot and his passivity afterwards hurts the team. Tonight was one of those nights for him. It became clear that the team couldn’t leave him on the floor. I have no idea how the Pistons solve whatever confidence issues he has.

Maxiell hits the boards

During John Kuester’s first season, he rewarded Jason Maxiell‘s hustle and solid play off the bench by giving him the first prolonged starting stretch of his career. The results weren’t good. Maxiell was over-matched against most starters and it took away one of his clear advantages: he often feasts against slow backup centers off the bench. So when Maxiell entered the starting lineup against New Jersey, I was worried that it might undo some of the production he’d been giving the team in his bench role. He didn’t play well against the Nets, but he had a nice game in his second start tonight against the Bucks, finishing with 8 points, 12 rebounds and 2 blocks (one on a Brandon Jennings floater ended up in the third row and the other was a traditional Maxiell smash from behind off the backboard). Surprisingly, it was his jumper that made him useful offensively. He looks much more comfortable taking shots in that 10-15 feet range than he ever has before.

Maxiell is not going to be effective every night, but he’s rebounding, blocking shots and playing energetic defense again this season. Plus, he looks like he’s in much better shape than he was last season. He, like many on the roster, still needs a prolonged streak of consistent play to rebuild his value, but at the very least, he’s getting there.

Defending Jennings

Brandon Jennings always has big games against the Pistons, and his improvement this season is a big reason the Bucks are still solid despite being hit with a ton of injuries. Plus, he always plays great against the Pistons. He got off to a good start and the Pistons couldn’t prevent him from pushing the ball up court and couldn’t keep him out of the lane early. But they adjusted, and Knight, Stuckey and Walker Russell all took turns at him, playing effective defense from about the second quarter on. Jennings only finished with one assist (partially a product of horrid shooting by his team) and he only scored four points in the second half.

54 Comments

  • Feb 3, 201210:09 pm
    by Max

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    What’s the opposite of a silver lining because it is seems to be your specialty regarding your articles following Piston wins?

    • Feb 3, 201210:15 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I dunno … I’ll probably have to write about Austin Daye being terrible again just so everyone doesn’t get too happy about this win.

      • Feb 3, 201211:11 pm
        by Max

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        You shouldn’t worry so much…………..I’m not even sure I’m happy they won in the grand scheme, but it was more enjoyable to watch.

  • Feb 3, 201210:15 pm
    by vic

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    another difference between him and stuckey is he can close games. Lawrence Frank learned his lesson and kept the ball mostly away from stuckey in the final minute.

    • Feb 3, 201211:18 pm
      by jayg108

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      Good point.  Even though the score was tight, Brandon remained composed in the last 2 minutes keeping the momentum going.

    • Feb 3, 201211:20 pm
      by David

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      Agreed. I thought Knight showed excellent clock management closing out the win. I think it was the Piston’s second to last possession, they got an offensive rebound and a new clock. You could actually see Knight about to drive into the lane, but remember to slow it down, stop and dribble 10 seconds off the clock first. Great to see that from a Pistons PG.

  • Feb 3, 201210:30 pm
    by frankie d

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    also,  russell played with knight at the end of the game.  that helped take a lot of pressure off of knight.

  • Feb 3, 201210:35 pm
    by frankie d

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    this is another example of how knight steps up his game when he faces a challenge.
    he’d had a horrible game against milwaukee before, and it was clear that he was not going to suffer through that again.
    also, the challenge of playing against  jennings seemed to juice him up.  he always gets juiced up when he plays against the top guys.  that competitiveness is nice to see.

  • Feb 3, 201211:08 pm
    by gmehl

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    Great win tonight but ESPN Trade machine is soooo much less fun to play when you go from a 19% chance of winning to 11%. All i can say is lets go Bobcats, Wizards and Hornets

  • Feb 3, 201211:16 pm
    by David

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    Can we get more Knights like tonight? Please? (although not enough to win the Pistons out of the top of the lottery).

    Maxiel’s strong play tonight (with Bogus out) only supports your argument that Max is best when playing against bench bigs. Kuester’s refusal to settle on a consistent starting lineup  was at the core of the Piston’s problems last year. I don’t think Frank has the same problem, he’s dealing with injuries and a compressed schedule. But I hope Max spends most of his minutes playing against back up centers. If he can play consistent, solid defense and energy offense Max might start to look attractive to contending teams who need depth in the front court. He’s got 1 more year on his contract. I wouldn’t expect a ton for Max, but cap space and a draft pick would be lovely.

  • Feb 3, 201211:20 pm
    by Max

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    Why do fans crave cap space?  What can the Pistons do with cap space?   I don’t want another Grant Long/Bisen Dele/Charlie V/Ben Gordon…….that’s what the Pistons do with cap space.

    • Feb 3, 201211:48 pm
      by David

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      Cap space doesn’t necessarily mean free agency (not that there aren’t good moves to be made there. Billups was a FA pick up). Cap space means (eventually) extending Monroe. Cap space is for all players. Right now its not used very well. Maxiell could (potentially) provide enough energy, defense, and back court depth to be worth it for a contender, but he’s not worth 5 million a year to a rebuilding Pistons team. Obviously he’s not in the same ball park of a cap issue as CV or Ben Gordon or Prince.

      Cap space isn’t the answer to the Pistons problems. But having it provides flexibility in rebuilding, and once that rebuilding gets somewhere then having cap space might allow them to sign a key free agent to put them over the top.

      • Feb 4, 201212:04 am
        by Max

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        Chauncey was a midlevel exception and the Pistons were over the cap at the time.

      • Feb 4, 201212:49 am
        by gmehl

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        @David I think you will find Maxiell would provide front court depth not back court depth LOL

    • Feb 4, 20129:23 am
      by Steve K

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      True, the Pistons squandered their cap flexibility recently with the signings of BG and CV. Yet, it’s about more than FAs. If the Pistons weren’t maxed-out for the next two seasons, they’d have much better chance to trade.

      Bottom line, having cap space or flexibility allows the team a chance for quicker turnover. Whether that turnover results in more wins and losses is of course up to debate.

  • Feb 3, 201211:31 pm
    by Max

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    Hey Laser……how about adding a comment and showing just a smidgeon of Piston Pride.  Come on, I promise it won’t hurt.

  • Feb 3, 201211:57 pm
    by frankie d

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    agreed. cap space is most often false hope. unfortunately joe d has rarely shown that he has the skill to use it, as it can be used. he has missed out on lots of young players recently because he didn’t manage his space well.
    it is great to have but you have to know how to use it.
    joe’s recent record on that score has been abysmal.

  • Feb 4, 201212:07 am
    by Max

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    I think getting under the cap is fool’s gold for any but marque locations because in general, when you have cap space, you lack depth and the contenders all tend to be way over the cap which takes years to do once you are under the cap.   When you over the cap, you have the flexibility of various assets that can be traded and the midlevel exception covers the richest free agents the Pistons should even attempt to sign.

  • Feb 4, 201212:08 am
    by Max

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    And the Pistons don’t need any cap space to extend Monroe.

  • Feb 4, 201212:53 am
    by Daye and Knight

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    “Stuckey loving slappies “…is that even a word? I don’t even think my son would use that word (I hope) and he’s 3

    Slappies….slappies….

    Otherwise, pretty “decent” article I guess

    I would like to say watching Knight go at it against Jennings was fun to watch, especially after watching Jennings go off against the Heat earlier this week. Jennings can flat out ball, Knights getting there tho.

    • Feb 4, 20121:08 am
      by Max

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      @Daye and Knight………I think he especially means you and I with that remark.   It’s funny how you get attacked and labeled by a moderator of PISTONS POWERED for emphasizing the positive aspects of an imperfect player who has nevertheless arguably been the team’s best for years.  You would think that such a player would have more fans but Stuck has born the weight of just about everything.

      • Feb 4, 20128:53 am
        by Daye and Knight

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        Patrick’s so cool I wanna be just like him someday…wouldn’t take much tho…just dumb down a bit and use words you might hear on Barney

        Patrick is the same guy who said Hamilton was overrated over the summer on a 5-5

        Hamilton at the time wasn’t even rated…period.

        Patrick’s so cool!

      • Feb 4, 201210:03 am
        by Patrick Hayes

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        “I think he especially means you and I with that remark.”

        And circle gets the square. But seriously, it’s harmless. I mentioned it because there was a legit point I wanted to make about Knight using Stuckey/upside as a comparison. Considering the three of us had just had a conversation on the subject of Stuckey earlier in the day, I wanted to link to it.

        “It’s funny how you get attacked and labeled by a moderator of PISTONS POWERED”

        You weren’t attacked and I’m not a moderator and the site is called PistonPowered (no ‘s’)

        “for emphasizing the positive aspects of an imperfect player”

        Honestly, your opinion of Stuckey and mine aren’t that different. I’ve said many times that there are things he’s effective at even if I do think he has flaws that will prevent him from ever being more than a league average starter overall.

        “who has nevertheless arguably been the team’s best for years.”

        This is where the opinions diverge. He isn’t the best player on the team this year. He wasn’t last year. Maybe, maybe one out of his five seasons he could accurately be called the ‘best’ player on the team. It’s not like I think he’s the worst player, but most seasons he’s been here, there have been one or two players better than him. Monroe was the best player on the team last year. McGrady was also more productive than Stuckey as a point guard.

        “You would think that such a player would have more fans but Stuck has born the weight of just about everything.”

        He’s also the guy who was on Twitter this summer passive aggressively saying he wanted to play elsewhere. He’s also the guy who got benched three times last season for fighting with coaches. He’s also the guy who, in a response to criticism that he doesn’t get others involved enough, decided to play almost an entire game without shooting last season. He’s also the guy who legitimately thinks he was snubbed for Russell Westbrook — who is at worst a top 12 player in the league — for the 2008 U.S. Select team. The list can go on here.

        Stuckey can play and do things that make him effective. I’m not taking away from that. What he does on the court has value, even if he does have noticeable weaknesses as well. But to question why fans are only lukewarm to the guy? There is plenty of evidence of why that is. Some of it — like the GM insinuating he was a “sacred cow” and giving away an All-Star to clear an eventual starting spot for him too soon — was not Stuckey’s fault. Some other things, like what I mentioned above, are very clearly his fault.

        He can play and be effective, but he’s not some kind of martyr who the mean fans just aren’t appreciating enough.

        • Feb 4, 201210:29 am
          by Daye and Knight

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          Stuckey led the team in assist and points last season, he WAS the best last year. And Stuckey isn’t the most mature guy out there in the world…tho I highly doubt he would ever use the term “slappie” 

          Stuckey dealt with 2 crappy coaches so it isn’t entirely his fault.

          I’m not ready to label Stuckey a sacred cow but I’m not going to criticize a guy who’s been in a horrible system for the past few years…lets see what Frank can do and take it from there

          Stuckey was actually passive and didn’t take too many shots, clearing the way for Knight and Monroe

          If stuckey realizes that the team belongs to the 2 mentioned above, makes a few plays driving down the lane and drawing fouls (his role) then Stuckey is doing his part in making the team better. We won 2 games so far cause of Stuckey and while that may not be a big deal for you it shows that he can do the right things to put the team in a winning position

    • Feb 4, 20129:46 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      ““Stuckey loving slappies “…is that even a word?”

      No, it’s three words.

      • Feb 4, 201210:17 am
        by Daye and Knight

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        haha funny! Too bad I was only talking about the word “slappies” tho which isn’t a word cause whenever I type it out it says I have a spelling error 

        I brought out my “A” game with a Barney joke, you brought yours out with “slappies” but which word actually exist?

        lol

        My bad on getting you mixed up with Feldman

        Hamilton got a nice contract for a team that was desperate for a SG and he’s doing a great job…cheering on the sidelines

        I’m not taking that or anything else offensively on here and hopefully you’re not neither

        no harm done

      • Feb 4, 20127:34 pm
        by Dan Feldman

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        A slappy (plural: slappies) is one who has overwhelming good feeling toward someone or something, regardless of whether it’s deserved. Just because you don’t know a word doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

  • Feb 4, 20121:30 am
    by frankie d

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    slappies?
    maybe…maybe not…
    but I will defend his right to use the term!
    it just might fit….
    refreshing candor, imho.

  • Feb 4, 20121:35 am
    by frankie d

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    btw, i really like stuckey and think that he has been horribly misused. in the right situation, i think stuckey is either a solid 2 guard on a very good team, or even a jason terry on a title team. in other words, a real difference maker.
    so i guess i may be another stuckey slappie, though i wear the designation with pride.

    • Feb 4, 20129:50 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      It’s not that I think Stuckey is bad. I just can’t believe people still buy into his upside. The dude has been the same player with a few incremental improvements for going on five seasons now. He’s solid, and in the right role on a better team, might even be better than solid, but he doesn’t have much of a function on a team like this.

      Also, for all the talk over the years about his ability to be a lockdown defender, he’s rarely actually showed that in games for any kind of extended stretch. It’s maddening.

  • Feb 4, 20121:40 am
    by Max

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    I don’t mind the designation.   I just thought it was ironic and I wonder how those against Dumars would like to be called Dumars hating dumbos.

  • Feb 4, 20122:31 am
    by jepic

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    I just think you were selling Knight short before todays game. The guy hasn’t been perfect, but 12, 3, and 3 as a rookie point guard with just one year of college experience is very good. Not to mention, the things that dont show up on teh state sheet such as his heart and leadership are top notch. You want your point guard to be those things and he is. Knight is no doubt the point guard of the future and I dont know how that was ever in doubt. He is, like Jennings and many of the other point guards of todays terrible league, a score first point guard. Chauncey Billups was as well….no one here had a problem with that as far as I know. If he averages 17 and 7 at his peak and plays great defense, provides incredible poise and leadership….thats a championship level point guard right there. People have to stop being so negative and realize we have two future all stars on this team and that isnt something a lot of teams can say at this point. BTW we will most lkely add another plus we have guys like Stuckey, BG, Tayshuan, and Jerebko. Were a year or two away from competing.

    • Feb 4, 201210:05 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      The numbers you cite are not the problem. His counting stats look OK, his 3-point percentage was OK.

      His really high turnover rate and really low assist rate are the most troubling with him. Last night was the first time he really looked like and produced like he could be a full-time point guard.

      • Feb 4, 20122:23 pm
        by Max

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        I’ve always felt their is a fallacy in making so much of the assist to turnover ratio and think the more relevant way of looking at turnovers is something like usage rate + raw production divided by turnovers.
        Knight for instance doesn’t seem to have as much trouble passing the ball as he does just getting it up the floor and dribbling against pressure in general.  I know he has thrown the ball into the popcorn vendors but I really think his struggle has been more about trying to move with the ball and he seems to be improving and has had some zero and 1 turnover games.
        Knight has often suffered so far, before last’s night game, from a resulting reluctance to drive the ball and a lack of trust from the coaching staff and the players to allow him to consistently bring the ball up each possession and run the offense.  He has gotten a lot of minutes but there have been nights where Knight practically lost the game in the first five minutes by failing to get the ball up the floor and suddenly the Pistons are down 10 and can’t recover.
        BTW:  I was really angry when during one game, Stuckey came in after the Pistons were down 10-15 points because of exactly such a scenario and wound up losing the game by like 8 points or something and the article’s headline on this site blamed Stuck for the loss when they won the game after he entered and Knight’s first quarter turnovers were the real deciding factor in the game.

  • Feb 4, 20123:36 am
    by Gregoire

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    haha…we are at least 3 years from competing when BG and CV are off the books, we added drummond and a SF in 2013 Draft and then maybe sign a major free-agent.

  • Feb 4, 20126:05 am
    by MrBlockedShot

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    Good game last night. Finally we snapped our lossing streak. Not good for our draft chances but a needed win after all. We need some wins for these guys to develop and keep fighting and trying their best.I think those kind of games help guys to develop: you play hard, you make the right decissions and you get the win. Knight probably read some comments here ? lol No question he´s our best chance at getting a pg for the years to come. He just needs time and minutes.
    I loved the way the Pistons played, first pass inside, look for Monroe and then he goes one on one or distributes. Much more effective than taking jumpers again and again. I want to emphasize Prince showed some veteran wisdom at least, taking 15 shots but passing a lot and looking always for the inside presence of Monroe. However I can´t say the same about Stuckey: he was selfish, erratic and not smart at all. No excuse his injury is bothering him. That might affect your touch but not your mind in terms of execution. Daye was probably the worst of the game: awful, inneffective and lost mentally. This guy has a so fragille mind!!. A couple of missed shots, quick fouls and he´s practically out of the game…And bad decissions over and over…I hope it´s only two steps back instead of one forth, but he´s time is running and very least progress is made. It will be a lost season for him if he can´t resume were he left it last season, and he´s pretty far from that point in terms of stats and maturity.

    • Feb 4, 20122:25 pm
      by Max

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      Stuck was deferring so I don’t know what you were watching.

  • Feb 4, 20126:15 am
    by swish22

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    A step in the right direction for sure for the rookie!!   He is the one we need to run the show to see what he has!  He has the ability to make some great passes under duress while penetrating unlike the other guards on this squad!
      Great point on Maxiel being in shape this season as I question’d his commitment to conditioning last year.   Does anyone have Jason’s playing weight the last few years?? Curious!

     I think too often some of us do complain a lot but that’s human nature gentlemen!  We were spoiled for so many seasons of highly competive and very passionate hoop and have come to expect as much!
    I’m still amazed that people group Ben Gordon in with Charlie V.  Ben Gordon has actually competed at the highest level in this league effectively whereas Charlie V has NEVER come close to being a high level player!   You can’t penalize players for the crazy money Joe was throwing around the last few years.   What you should expect is 110% commitment to winning when you’re on or off the floor and respect for the staff!   BG-yes    CV-no!

      As far as CV’s ankle is concerned I think the new coaching staff assumed he had an ankle injury when watching him attempt to move laterally but in reality he’s just the slowest footed dude in the league!  and guys at his age don’t pick up lateral quickness at this stage in their careers!  

  • Feb 4, 20129:08 am
    by Shaun

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    Knight: I was More impressed with knight assists then points. We need about 13 assists a game from stuck/knight, because know one else has potential to get those Numbers. But it showed that knight took his first real big step of running a offense.

    Stuckey: Why has this team mis used him so badly?! Its not rocket science. When Jason maxcell shoots More then your most talented scorer there is a problem. Cant just call the iso play 4 times a game and suspect the guy to produce.

  • Feb 4, 20129:15 am
    by Daye and Knight

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    I’m glad we got the win, but as it stands now we could end up picking 4th overall and Davis would most certainly be gone by then. There’s chatter that Drummond will stay in college…hell even Barnes will likely be gone by then. Now the question is if we keep winning do we trade that pick or try and draft Sullinger or Thomas? I rather take a chance on Sullinger and hope best case scenario he actually pans out…unlike Glen Davis which is who he almost reminds me of back when he played for LSU

    • Feb 4, 201210:46 am
      by gordbrown

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      People have been getting excited over the past few days for the top pick in the draft. Best case scenario, start looking at what’s available around 7. That’s my best case scenario.

      • Feb 4, 201211:23 am
        by Daye and Knight

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        The way the line up is now with Max down low, it might help us produce a few more wins if he (10), Prince (9), and Monroe (11) can crash the boards like they did yesterday. Not taking away their effort, but it was against a team without their starting center. Regardless, I like the line up the way it is orchestrated now and while I would like a high draft pick, I want to see the team improve so a pick around 7-8 wouldn’t kill me if Sullinger was still there

  • Feb 4, 20122:51 pm
    by Max

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    It would kill me………………the Pistons MUST walk out of this draft with a player who has the potential to be a dominant shot blocker.  Anything else doesn’t address what is fundamentally wrong with this squad.

    • Feb 4, 20126:26 pm
      by Anthony

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      Why does it seem that everyone wants a shot blocker on this squad??? Because denver and Miami block the shit out of some shots?…NO! What we need is a go to guy on our team that can sink some baskets like Miami and denver who lead the leauge is ppg and are only mediocore shot blocking teams. Or we can lead the leauge in blocked shots like the Wizzards right i mean theyre a good team right? NOT! lol

      • Feb 5, 20129:17 am
        by Max

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        It’s because this is Monroe’s team.

  • Feb 4, 20122:53 pm
    by Max

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    To put it another way………if it came down to it, I’d rather add a young Theo Ratliff than a young Carmelo Anthony.   The Pistons need defense more than anything and a player who principally can offer scoring is worthless.

  • Feb 4, 20123:00 pm
    by Max

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    I shouldn’t have said that and went a little off the deep end.   Sullinger wouldn’t kill me, but everything to me is about Monroe and Sullinger would force Monroe to be a career center and would insure that the Pistons would never be a very good shot blocking team and those aspects bother me.

  • Feb 4, 20126:07 pm
    by Anthony

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    Dumars if still around which he probablly will be, will take the best available player left on the board regarless of position so if we miss out on Davis and Drummond, whoevers left will be on our team… I would put money on either Gilchrist or Sullinger being in a pistons uniform next year! You cant pass on a guy like Gilchrist and if hes available take him and try to move prince and Maxxy and amnisty BG! Cv should finally be better and hell only have a year left on his contract at less money then BG. Cv also has size in his favor compared to Gordon whos the size of a highschool student. BG is the better ball player by far but hes owed too much money and he hasn’t proven himself at all to be making those kind of dollars.

    • Feb 5, 20129:22 am
      by Max

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      Why do people bring up these amnesty players without saying who will be signed,  There will never be any reason to cut a player if you are not going to sign another.  Tell me who we will get.  There is nothing more depressing than just saying we should just cut this high priced player as is that somehow improves the talent on the floor.  No…..all that does is remove a player.

      • Feb 5, 20122:10 pm
        by Anthony

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        Im not sure if its a rule that once you amnesty a player you have to pick one up? As long as we have BG, CV, or Maxx on our team the fans are  going to have a grudge against Dumars plain and simple. In order to restore faith for the fans in Dumars i think its going to take him getting rid of atleast one of those bad contracts! So it simply comes down to a process of elemination so who would you choose? Maxx who seems to be getting something together and who also has size that we need for “shot Blocking”? CV who at one point in his Bucks career who at one time showed that he could defend and block the ball? Or, do you use BG who has proved nothing besides he can come out and give you one good game and then dissapear the next day to be ridding the pine for “personal reasons” and who is also your highest paid player on your team and also would make a good 6th man on a team that alreadY has a strong SG?

        • Feb 6, 20121:34 pm
          by Max

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          The fans who have lost faith, and I am not one of them, will not have their faith restored until the team starts winning again.  I don’t really care whether they faith in the meantime as the issue is not relevant regarding whether or not or how the team will improve.   I do eventually want a player amnestied but it should come in juxtaposition with Dumars knowing exactly who he will sign as a result and the choice of who to amnesty, given that the players in question make different amounts of money, ought to come down to how much the player who replaces the amnestied player will receive.   Also, I don’t care whether a player that sits is making more money than a player who plays and I don’t understand why anyone would feel differently because it doesn’t impact anyone’s bottom lines in any possible way.

  • Feb 5, 20128:05 am
    by Tom James

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