Comments on: 3-on-3: The Pistons development of Rodney Stuckey http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 21 May 2013 15:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-50895 Dan Feldman Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:04:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-50895 <p>That's a good point, but assuming Stuckey is at least a couple years from reaching the top 10 (if he'll ever make it), the league-wide strength of those positions could switch by then. There are no highly rated point guards in the next draft, but there are a couple shooting guards.</p> That’s a good point, but assuming Stuckey is at least a couple years from reaching the top 10 (if he’ll ever make it), the league-wide strength of those positions could switch by then. There are no highly rated point guards in the next draft, but there are a couple shooting guards.

]]> By: sebastian http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49783 sebastian Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:13:26 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49783 frankie d. and you can add Terrance Williams to that "Seattle Guard" group, players who are shooting guards with some point guard tendencies. frankie d. and you can add Terrance Williams to that “Seattle Guard” group, players who are shooting guards with some point guard tendencies.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49748 frankie d Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:16:59 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49748 i promise you...i will make that mistake again. for whatever reason, i always forget the correct spelling of both names! it's weird. i promise you…i will make that mistake again.
for whatever reason, i always forget the correct spelling of both names!
it’s weird.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49620 Max Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:53:24 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49620 On Stuck Another point in Stuck's favor regarding where he'd rank at both positions is that he would start in more situations than the majority of his nearest pears at both positions because he can play either position at both ends--however you grade him.  The same logic applies to why he might offer a team a more valuable player as a 6th man than many another guard. I'm listening to some conversation about Westbrook and they made the point that he would start for any team in the league at one spot or the other; and they are probably right although there are a few places of interest in my mind, they didn't bring up, where the matter could carry some controversy like the Celtics where he could arguably offer more value as a sixth man. Leaving that, and I'm not with Stuck if he thinks he compares to Russell,I'm pretty sure Stuck would start for more teams than say Afflalo, who looked good tonight and who a lot of people here seem to think is much better. This is valuable. On Dumars and Stuck There has been some opinion that the Pistons should not go big if they lose out on the top two picks, which I disagree with, but if they do draft a 2 guard. which many are promoting, Stuck will probably have to somehow bring the big in a trade.  Some have said here that he is overpaid but I encountered many a national pundit who said he was at least a little underpaid.  In any case, most teams are carrying at least two ,if not more, larger contracts, and many of them will enter next season as it stands with a hole at one or the other position at guard. There has been some sentiment that Dumars is tied to Stuckey, that he would be unwilling to admit he was wrong about Stuckey, would not trade him and is even attached to how Stuckey offers him a redemption for picking Darko and I say this is all hogwash. Did not Dumars once admit he was wrong and trade Darko for Orlando's first round pick and wouldn't trading Stuck for the player he needs offer him the redemption he needs if indeed he needs it?  Bottom line, I'd like to know who really thinks he wouldn't trade Stuck if another GM picked up the phone and mentioned a player he likes better with everything else being equal? To be clear, I want a big and I don't want Stuck traded.   I'm just saying he is valuable and that I think Dumars is more tied to him, at this point, for his value than for his legacy.   The past is past. On Stuck
Another point in Stuck’s favor regarding where he’d rank at both positions is that he would start in more situations than the majority of his nearest pears at both positions because he can play either position at both ends–however you grade him.  The same logic applies to why he might offer a team a more valuable player as a 6th man than many another guard.
I’m listening to some conversation about Westbrook and they made the point that he would start for any team in the league at one spot or the other; and they are probably right although there are a few places of interest in my mind, they didn’t bring up, where the matter could carry some controversy like the Celtics where he could arguably offer more value as a sixth man.
Leaving that, and I’m not with Stuck if he thinks he compares to Russell,I’m pretty sure Stuck would start for more teams than say Afflalo, who looked good tonight and who a lot of people here seem to think is much better.
This is valuable.

On Dumars and Stuck
There has been some opinion that the Pistons should not go big if they lose out on the top two picks, which I disagree with, but if they do draft a 2 guard. which many are promoting, Stuck will probably have to somehow bring the big in a trade.  Some have said here that he is overpaid but I encountered many a national pundit who said he was at least a little underpaid.  In any case, most teams are carrying at least two ,if not more, larger contracts, and many of them will enter next season as it stands with a hole at one or the other position at guard.
There has been some sentiment that Dumars is tied to Stuckey, that he would be unwilling to admit he was wrong about Stuckey, would not trade him and is even attached to how Stuckey offers him a redemption for picking Darko and I say this is all hogwash.
Did not Dumars once admit he was wrong and trade Darko for Orlando’s first round pick and wouldn’t trading Stuck for the player he needs offer him the redemption he needs if indeed he needs it?  Bottom line, I’d like to know who really thinks he wouldn’t trade Stuck if another GM picked up the phone and mentioned a player he likes better with everything else being equal?
To be clear, I want a big and I don’t want Stuck traded.   I’m just saying he is valuable and that I think Dumars is more tied to him, at this point, for his value than for his legacy.   The past is past.

]]> By: Stuckey and whoever http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49557 Stuckey and whoever Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:46:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49557 I think Stuck can be a top ten point/shooting guard and be a number 2 option on a contender.  Now that being said the team will have to buy in as well as the coaches on how the team is ran.  And the Pistons have done that half heartingly.  Stuckey can run of screens, not just pick and rolls and the iso.  Most 2 guards can't keep up with his speed and first step, most point guards can't match his strength so take him to the post or go right at the little guard.  Passing is better than most 2 guards if you don't utilize all these things your not going to see what he has to offer.  I think the Pistons main 1-2 punch should be Monroe/Stuckey, no question.  The fact that it isn't well you point the fingers at who you will on that one.  It could work well here in Detroit but adjustments will need to continue in order for us to see them pan out. I think Stuck can be a top ten point/shooting guard and be a number 2 option on a contender.  Now that being said the team will have to buy in as well as the coaches on how the team is ran.  And the Pistons have done that half heartingly.  Stuckey can run of screens, not just pick and rolls and the iso.  Most 2 guards can’t keep up with his speed and first step, most point guards can’t match his strength so take him to the post or go right at the little guard.  Passing is better than most 2 guards if you don’t utilize all these things your not going to see what he has to offer.  I think the Pistons main 1-2 punch should be Monroe/Stuckey, no question.  The fact that it isn’t well you point the fingers at who you will on that one.  It could work well here in Detroit but adjustments will need to continue in order for us to see them pan out.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49551 Max Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:13:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49551 OFF TOPIC: Bill Simmons interviewed Larry Bird on his podcast: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7548026 It's a great interview and hits on far ranging topics including the Pistons and especially Bill Laimbeer. More interestingly perhaps, Bird is incredibly candid regarding at one end, some of his first days of practice in the league and on the other, his current philosophies as a GM which are somewhat Pistons relevant because of his framing of the Pacers as a small market team that is trying to win. They also spend a lot time discussing an issue we talk about here in regards to when is the right time to break up a great team. BTW: Is there a better forum or place for off topic issues?     OFF TOPIC:
Bill Simmons interviewed Larry Bird on his podcast: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7548026
It’s a great interview and hits on far ranging topics including the Pistons and especially Bill Laimbeer.
More interestingly perhaps, Bird is incredibly candid regarding at one end, some of his first days of practice in the league and on the other, his current philosophies as a GM which are somewhat Pistons relevant because of his framing of the Pacers as a small market team that is trying to win.
They also spend a lot time discussing an issue we talk about here in regards to when is the right time to break up a great team.
BTW: Is there a better forum or place for off topic issues?
 
 

]]> By: Jacob http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49541 Jacob Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:20:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49541 Don't you ever, ever make that mistake on a Pistons blog ever again......ever! :) Don’t you ever, ever make that mistake on a Pistons blog ever again……ever! :)

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49540 Max Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:20:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49540 A few things. 1. I think Stuckey would have benefited from Billups staying at least another year and at the ages Billups and Hamilton were. I don't why they couldn't have played a fairly even split of the 96 minutes there are at guard which split three ways equals 32 minutes each. 2. The question about whether Stuckey will ever be a top 10 guard at either position obviously hinges on him making some improvement and his three point shooting this year suggests that he can, but the more relevant factor might actually be that there are very few good shooting guards in the league and while there are a lot of good point guards, a lot them are aging and I heard Larry Bird say yesterday that he doesn't think there will be a good point guard coming out of the next TWO drafts--good thing the Pistons drafted Knight.   This all means that 2-4 years from now when Stuckey is 27-30 and should be at his apex regarding being both a veteran and still in his physical prime that he could move up the ranks significantly due to other players dropping off and retiring.  By that time, he may be bigger and stronger as well which would make him even more of a matchup nightmare for certain guards. A few things.
1. I think Stuckey would have benefited from Billups staying at least another year and at the ages Billups and Hamilton were. I don’t why they couldn’t have played a fairly even split of the 96 minutes there are at guard which split three ways equals 32 minutes each.
2. The question about whether Stuckey will ever be a top 10 guard at either position obviously hinges on him making some improvement and his three point shooting this year suggests that he can, but the more relevant factor might actually be that there are very few good shooting guards in the league and while there are a lot of good point guards, a lot them are aging and I heard Larry Bird say yesterday that he doesn’t think there will be a good point guard coming out of the next TWO drafts–good thing the Pistons drafted Knight.   This all means that 2-4 years from now when Stuckey is 27-30 and should be at his apex regarding being both a veteran and still in his physical prime that he could move up the ranks significantly due to other players dropping off and retiring.  By that time, he may be bigger and stronger as well which would make him even more of a matchup nightmare for certain guards.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49532 Laser Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:47:13 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49532 Natutrally a Ben Gordon booster won't criticize the 2009 free agent signings that instantly guaranteed a half decade of misery. Natutrally a Ben Gordon booster won’t criticize the 2009 free agent signings that instantly guaranteed a half decade of misery.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/02/3-on-3-the-pistons-development-of-rodney-stuckey/comment-page-1/#comment-49528 frankie d Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:12:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8970#comment-49528 yes. sactown's rookie. never certain how to spell either! yes. sactown’s rookie. never certain how to spell either!

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