Comments on: The Pistons never met a turnover they didn’t like

By: Jayg108

Jayg108 — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:15:03 +0000

By midseason, your webmaster is going to need to switch the words “Comments” with “Complaints”

By: Max

Max — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:52:32 +0000

It’s all about the As and Bs and you are focusing on the Cs, Russel C.
Forget Gortat and Lee. They were not possible and Jordan is nit picking in the extreme so let’s just say Sharpe was a wasted pick.
Resigning RIP was the worst thing Dumars ever did in my opinion because it went against what could reasonably be called logical regarding the possible upside of the Billups trade……………I’ve always imagined and this is purely speculative, given the timing of how everything went that RIP completely lost his shit when Billups got traded and Dumars monumentally caved by granting the extension to prove to RIP he was still valued and that the team wasn’t going to be wiped away. After their previous playoff exit, the rumbles of Dumars’ “I have seen enough”, “There are no holy cows here” and “We will rebuild when the bigs are no longer dominate” percolated all summer and it was actually very surprising that they went into the season intact. I thought they were just looking awesome through the first four games like they were going to just roll through the league and then, as suddenly as any trade in history, came the announcement that Billups was gone. It was many hours later or the next day, I’m not sure, before RIP got his extension.
Afflalo, bad move. Johnson, shrug. You’re nit picking and playing Monday morning quarterback.   Afflalo is a C+. Johnson is a C-.
Brandon Bass. Now there is a C. Shrug.
Now, with Daye two spots ahead of Lawson, you are finally at least talking about a player who is at least a B.   However, the 15th pick is generally considered a bit of a crap shoot, the Pistons weren’t looking for a PG at the time and a lot of teams regret passing on Lawson who had such a great college career.   Nevertheless, Lawson granted.
Summer and Jerebko ahead of Blair.   Blair’s knees may still lead to an early exit as with Roy and we are talking about 2nd round picks here. Not a game, not a game, 2nd round picks. I mean what are talking ’bout.
What would amnestizing Maxiell have done other subtract a player who is contributing?
You mentioned that we wouldn’t have Monroe and Knight if we had retained Afflalo and Johnson and drafted Lawson and signed Bass and I agree with that but I disagree about which package I’d prefer because at this point, Monroe and Lawson are both solid Bs, but I think Monroe has a better chance of becoming an A and it’s all about the base. If Knight becomes a B or can even approach what Lawson becomes, it’s not even close.

By: vic

vic — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:35:39 +0000

I agree somewhat with that statement. Joe D is a good talent evaluator, he just overvalues guards with the exact same talents he had as a player. He needs to mix it up

By: frankie d

frankie d — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:14 +0000

but i think you have to look at jj’s PT in context. and that context has to include wilkins PT and daye’s PT. and if you do that, imho, the pattern is clear: wilkins plays, while the other guys fluctuate. it really doesn’t make sense. wilkins is an incredibly mediocre performer. never a good offensive player, he’s now lost the quickness that made him a good, though not great, defender. now, he gets abused regularly. he is, however a “responsible” defender and i’m sure that he is where he is supposed to be, when they break down the tape. but what justification is there for starting and playing him 34 minutes in 2 straight games when you have 2 young players who need those minutes, and who both got less PT?

By: RussellC

RussellC — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:06:07 +0000

I posted this on antother article but

I don’t pretend to know as much about basketball as Joe Dumars but I have lost faith in him and his ability to rebuild the team. Some of the moves he made and didn’t make are listed here
Let go of Aron Afflalo and Amir Johnson to create more cap space for Gordon and Charlie V when David Lee, Marcin Gortat and Brandon Bass were also free agents. Lee and Gortat were restricted though.
Drafted Daye two spots ahead of Ty Lawson
Drafted Summers and Jerebko instead of DuJuan Blair
Drafted Walter Sharpe instead of DeAndre Jordan.
Did not amnesty Maxiel.
Re-signed Rip
A frontcourt of Gortat or Jordan, Bass, Blair, David Lee, Amir and Prince along with Stuckey, Afflalo, and Lawson would be a pretty good team. They may not have been able to pick up Monroe or Knight in the draft but they would not have had this embarrassing drop off.

My team has become a joke and a lot of this cannot be blamed on Mrs. Davidson. To end up with a team of apathetic jumpshooters has to be blamed on someone, namely the talent evaluator.

By: Max

Max — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:46:37 +0000

I’m the kind of fan who’d rather watch a meaningless Pistons game when they stink no matter who they are playing over any marque matchup in the league.

By: MrBlockedShot

MrBlockedShot — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:56:49 +0000

Hard to say but after watching this game I needed some sort of relief and watched Thunders vs Clippers. It was like I was watching guys from another planet playing basketball, really weird feeling. With this season Pistons I´ve almost forgotten what´s to have fun watching basketball… If the team keeps playing that I´m planning on giving up on watching Pistons games, too much for my mind…hehehe

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:02:03 +0000

He'd played 20 more more minutes every game this season except one until getting below 20 minutes the last four games. In one of those games, he fouled out in 17 minutes. In another, he had four fouls in 18 minutes. Not sure what accounted for the reduced minutes last night or against Philly, although he (and everyone else) did play pretty bad vs. Philly.

Last night, I think it's possible he only played 15 minutes b/c it was a blow out and they will probably need him big minutes tonight since I would guess Wallace won't play much or at all in the third game of three straight.

By: sebastian

sebastian — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:50:02 +0000

Max, no a player can only be amnestied by the team that originally signed the player prior to the current CBA.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:37:46 +0000

what is interesting is that wilkins PT is now coming at jj’s expense, whereas previously, it was at daye’s expense.
if you look at the game logs over at basketball reference, you see that daye’s minutes started increasing at game 12, the memphis game. after that, wilkins minutes basically stayed the same and even increased, especially during tay’s 2 game absence.
but jj’s minutes have taken a dive. not a steady dive, but a clear pattern has emerged: wilkins minutes essentially stay the same. he is in the rotation, seemingly no matter what.
but jj and daye get their PT cut depending on….who knows…
now, what is the excuse for playing wilkins?
previously, it was because daye was playing so horribly, and without energy and aggression.
none of that applies to jj, but still wilkins ends up getting PT that rightfully should go to a young player who is supposed to be part of the pistons’ future.
wilkins: the ultimate coach’s security blanket. he makes a coach like frank feel all warm and fuzzy!