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Tayshaun Prince playing through knee injury

Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press:

Though Prince, 31, is able to run and shoot with no problems, he admitted that he had trouble changing directions, exploding in traffic and playing in the post.

And with the hectic pace this season, Prince isn’t sure when his knee will get better.

“It’s part of the game,” he said. “The toughest thing for anybody that’s banged up coming into this season being so quick it’s kind of hard to really recover right away — especially with so many games. There’s only so much time to have a day off and things like that.”

Hopefully, Austin Daye can help Prince out by playing better and taking some of his minutes.

14 Comments

  • Jan 1, 201211:55 am
    by DVS

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    I hope Daye can step up now and give Prince some time to rest. It’s not going to get end well if he’s playing heavy minutes on a bad knee.
    After all the stuff that was reported about Dayes offseason i thought he’d really improve this year, but so far he’s struggled.

  • Jan 1, 201212:23 pm
    by Levi Thieman

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    I believe that Damien wilkens has earned a greater role with his hustle and effort

  • Jan 1, 20122:49 pm
    by frankie d

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    wilkins is another example of retread vets coming in and killing the development of young players.
    of course he has played better than a  young player who has gotten precious little playing time.   he should.  he is a vet who has played 8 years in the league and started many games over those seasons.
    he is what he is and he does what he does very well.
    but he is a limited vet who will not get any better.  he is who we thought he was.
    daye is a young player who needs time to develop.
    obviously, daye’s confidence is shot.  he should be mentally tougher, but he is not.  so the team has a couple of choices.
    essentially they can say suck it up and once you hit a few shots in a row, maybe you will play.  and if he doesn’t do it within a limited opportunity, oh well… it is just another first round draft choice down the drain.
    or the team can do what other teams do and give the kid a legitimate shot.  put him out there and let him succeed or fail.
    start him in tay’s place. let him work his way through his slump.
    he is a shooter and a scorer and guys who can do that don’t lose that ability.  they go through slumps sometimes, and that is what is happening with daye.  obviously, he is a guy who needs a lot more handholding than some guys. but coaching is about dealing with individuals and trying to get the best out of them, however you do it.
    it is certainly understandable that a coach is hesitant to play a guy when he is not hitting his shot, especially when that is that player’s main strength.
    even if he is not shooting he is a good rebounder from the small forward spot.
    and i could certainly understand not playing that player, when there was another young guy there competing for time.
    but when the competition for that playing time is a retread vet who will not be a part of the team in a couple of years, it seems like the same shortsighted thinking that the team has suffered through for year.
    this, of course, assumes that tay is hurt enough to be put down.
    imho, there is no reason to keep playing a guy who is obviously injured when you have young guys, chomping at the bit for playing time.  let the old vet sit, let him heal and let the young guy play and get his feet wet.
    of course, i’d guess that tay really isn’t that happy about that idea.  the last thing he wants is to become another wally pipp.

    • Jan 1, 20127:51 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      It’s not like Wilkins played a ton. Daye has been miserable in 3 out of four games and in the game he shot well, two of his baskets were in garbage time. He has a rotation spot. I would guess that Wilkins playing the second half vs. Indiana was just to send a message. You’re not arguing that Daye has been useful at all are you? He’s been horrid this season in pretty much all aspects — shooting poorly, poor decisions, poor defense, not aggressive, passing up good shots, etc.

      • Jan 1, 20129:05 pm
        by frankie d

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        daye has been bad, no doubt.
        but obviously his confidence is shattered, so the issue is whether you are going to attempt to rebuild that shattered confidence or basically say screw him, let him sink.
        and let him die on the bench.
        the problem with that course is that you will have effectively wasted another first round draft choice.  if he sits and rots on the bench, any value he might have will vanish.  he will also likely simply walk away in free agency, when he gets the chance.  as a fan, i am tired of seeing that same movie over and over again.  for every JJ who is given a shot, there are two young players who simply walk away without being given a legitimate shot at developing and earning playing time.
        so if you decide that you want to somehow help him recover, what do you do?
        the obvious answer to me is that you play him.    you put him in a comfortable spot in the line-up,  and let him play.  let him play a lot.   make a solid commitment to him for 3-5 games or so and see if that helps.  
        the fact that tay is hurt gives the team the perfect chance to do just this.
        let tay heal, it gives the young player a chance to start and play a lot and hopefully two good things happen: tay gets healthy and the knee doesn’t become a season long or even a chronic problem; and, daye gets out of his slump.
        it is clear that daye is pressing.  any time a shooter can’t shoot, he is obviously pressing.  shooters don’t forget how to shoot.  and because he is not shooting well, he is forcing things, trying to do too much, because he is desperately trying to justify every minute on the court.  that means that he is likely to end up making bad decisions as he forces things. passing up good shots?  of course, if you aren’t shooting well and your confidence is shot, you’re not going to take shots you would normally take.  it often looks, literally, as if he is looking over at the bench everytime he misses a shot.  and if a shooter is passing up shots he normally takes, and trying to do other things to justify being on the court, he is not being aggressive.
        imho, the only way a shooter gets out of his shooting slump is by shooting.  it may take 5 shots or 20 shots, but shooters always emerge from those slumps.  he shot essentially the same percentage from 3 point area as ben gordon as the pistons best shooters.  he has always been a shooter.
        instead of letting daye wallow through a long slump that he will probably get out of later, rather than sooner, if you keep limiting his minutes, i would go ahead and put him in a position where he will get out of that slump sooner and therefore be of more value to the team.  if you want to keep him you will have a productive player.  but if you want to trade him, say at the trade deadline, you have a player other teams want, not a player you have to do a selling job on or simply dump because his value is so low.
        one plus is that he has always been a good rebounder.  his rebounding numbers, per 36 minutes are the best of any of the SF’s and right up there behind monroe’s numbers.  at the very least, the team’s rebounding would get a boost, while he worked through his shooting woes.
        my view is that what is happening with daye is strictly a confidence issue.   the best way to work through that problem is by playing him, helping to boost his confidence.   once he gets his confidence back the rest of the problems will start to work themselves out.  i’m not saying that he is ever going to be the best decision maker on the team or the  best defender, but i think those other area will definitely improve once he is able to contribute in the way that he usually does.
        what burns me is that this very same discussion has gone on with lots of young pistons over the last 5 years or so and the response of management and fans is always just to put the young player on the bench rather than showing patience.
        delfino, milicic, amir johnson, afflalo…guys who were all young guys who never really got a fair shot at playing and developing and who are solid nba rotation guys.  players who would be of real value to the team and players who were essentially dumped for less than they were worth.  some ridiculously so, and others brought a return, even if not fair value for the initial investment.
        young players make mistakes.  they go through periods of inconsistency much more than older players.  that is why coaches like the old guys.  but at this point, what does the team have to lose?  how much further along would daye be if the team had committed to playing him last year instead of bringing in vets – namely mcgrady – who took his minutes and then left?
        imho, it is far past the time when losing a few games because a young player screws up is worth it in terms of giving talented young guys a legitimate shot.

  • Jan 1, 20125:48 pm
    by danny w

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    Daye will earn playing time in practice first. If he keeps putting in the effort on the practice floor (he shouldnt be tired from riding the pine), and in they weight room, he should be able to play against other quality nba players. If not he will remain where he has been, the coach will determine what time he gets (if any) and if he gets it (ever).

    • Jan 1, 20126:25 pm
      by frankie d

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      that entire earning it in practice meme is just so much BS and any pistons fan who trots it out surely hasn’t been paying attention to what has happened the last few years.
      the last couple of years,  daye – and others – have done exactly that and been rewarded with preseason playing time, which they used effectively, playing better than others.
      but when the regular season rolled around, they were right back on the bench.
      daye is not the only young player to be treated in that fashion.  and as long as joe d is there he probably won’t be the last.  that is simply the way things operate in joe d’s pistons world.
      there is a seniority system that no amount of practice work will overcome.
      whether it is good or bad is another matter.
      the fact that it exists is beyond argument.

      • Jan 1, 20127:52 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Jerebko and Monroe both earned their way into the rotation and earned more minutes by playing well in the minutes they were given. Daye has yet to do that consistently.

        • Jan 1, 20129:17 pm
          by frankie d

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          he played well enough in practice to earn lots of PT in the preseason the last two years.  and he played very well during the preseason both years.  then, once the season started, both years, he found himself on the bench, while guys who had not even played – mcgrady – were thrust in front of him.
          look, i am not saying that daye is handling this well.  obviously, he is a bit too sensitive.  other guys with more stones would respond differently and probably blast through the unfairness of the situation.  but he is who he is, and the job of any coach and organization is to get the best out of its people.  what i see clearly is that daye needs a little more tender loving care than your typical young nba player.  heck, the team knew this when they drafted him as one of the negatives always noted, before the draft,  was his immaturity. so deal with him as you have to, in order to get the best out of him.  
          (and, imho, he’s earned consideration based on the way he played during the preseason.  he was their leading scorer and arguably their best player.  so it is not as though the team is just giving minutes to a guy who has shown nothing.   he has clearly demonstrated nba skills and played well when given certain chances.)
          the alternative, as i keep saying, is a lost player, a guy who ends up being a wasted draft choice.  
          i’d rather bend a bit, accomodate him a bit, and hopefully have a nice asset that i can either keep or trade.

  • Jan 1, 20127:17 pm
    by Max

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    There will be hardly any practices at all this year.  Teams just don’t have the time.

  • Jan 2, 201212:17 am
    by Ryan M

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    My take  on this is Dumars has found in Wilkins his new Michael Curry.  He is trying to change the toxic culture from the last couple of years like when he first took over the team a decade ago.  Wilkins is a consumate pro who will come to work each day and show the young-ins how to work.  I rememvber back in the day with Curry on the Pistons I hated seeing him in the game but he was a pro who worked harder than everyone else and he got on the floor.  There is a value to the team there in building a culture although it is hard to see in the on court product. As a fan it frustrates me cause I want to see the young guys play but by the same token I guess if the young guy cannot beat out a border line player he needs to put more work in.  That said it is not like Wilkins is playing all game and Daye is getting no run at all. 

    • Jan 2, 20124:52 am
      by frankie d

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      ahh…isn’t that why joe just spent 30 million on tayahaun prince?
      the ultimate pro?
      the ultimate team player?
      the elder statesman?
      what the heck can a journeyman who has no relationship with the franchise bring, that a guy like tay is supposed to bring?
      curry started and played in front of tay.  isn’t tay the player who fills the micheal curry role now, as he starts in front of daye?
      why do you need another player, one with no connection to the franchise, to emphasize that point?

      • Jan 2, 20128:26 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        In fairness — and I say this as not a big Prince fan — Tayshaun Prince right now is a million times better as a player than Michael Curry ever was.

  • Jan 2, 20121:09 am
    by Ant

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    I heard Cousins might be available! lol

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