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Rodney Stuckey returns, lifts Pistons (to loss)

Rodney Stuckey missed at least part of the Pistons’ last five games – all losses by at least 14 points – with a groin injury. He returned tonight to shoot 2-for-7, and Pistons lost by just nine points, 102-93 to the 4-6 Milwaukee Bucks.

Watch out, NBA. The Pistons are back!

Greg Monroe: supreme scorer

Greg Monroe was the epitome of scoring efficiency. On 19 separate occasions Thursday, Monroe attempted to score two points. On 16, he did.

He has post moves. He has a quick first step. He has a jumper. He’s as complete a scorer as any second-year big man has been recently.

Monroe missed four shots. He followed one with an offensive rebound and layup. A foul should’ve probably been called on another. Monroe also drew four shooting fouls, making both free throws each time.

Monroe’s scoring prowess also came mostly against Andrew Bogut, one of the game’s best defenders. It was a career night for Monroe, whose 32 points were a personal best. But outside of his 8-for-8 free-throw shooting, Monroe never looked like he was working outside his comfort zone. Games like this won’t be the norm, but he should have more in this realm.

Outside of scoring, Monroe was solid. He had 16 rebounds, two assists, two steals and a block. Those impressive numbers are partially a product of playing 40 minutes, but he also had just two turnovers.

Brandon Knight gets aggressive

Brandon Knight shot his first free throws of 2012.

He attempted one against the Cavaliers and two at Boston, but he hadn’t gotten to the line in eight of his first 10 games, including the last seven.

That stat was emblematic of Knight’s general passivity, due to either the chaos of the Pistons’ offense preventing him from establishing himself or a simple uncertainty how to run an NBA offense.

But Knight attacked more than he has recently – both with his shots and passes. He finished with 20 points on 7-of-9 shooting, including 2-of-2 on 3-pointers, and three assists.

He also had five turnovers, a number that must come down. But more of those turnovers came from pushing to hard, not sloppiness with no upside.

Hopefully, tonight was a sign he’s getting more comfortable playing his game at the NBA level. The next step will be changing his game to include fewer turnovers, but first, I want him to play his game consistently.

Perfect free throws

The Pistons were 24-of-24 on free throws, and the Buckers were 17-of-17. That’s pretty fluky for both teams, and I don’t either gained a significant edge by a lucky hot-shooting night from the line.

ESPN Stats & Information:

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, it was the best display of free throw shooting in NBA history.

The previous mark was held by the Atlanta Hawks and Toronto Raptors, who were a combined 16-for-16 from the line on December 22, 2000. That’s the only other game in the shot clock era in which both teams went the entire night without missing a free throw.

The 24-for-24 for the Pistons was the best by any team in the NBA this season, the best by any team since the Minnesota Timberwolves were 25-for-25 in a 104-92 win over the New Orleans Hornets on February 7, 2011.

Via Elias, the last time the Pistons made that many free throws without a miss in a game was March 12, 1985, when they went 24-for-24 in a 111-110 loss to the Chicago Bulls.

That night, they lost to a rookie named Michael Jordan, who made four late free throws of his own to seal a 32-point effort and a win for his team.

Disclaimer

If you couldn’t tell, the introductory section of this post is satire.

66 Comments

  • Jan 12, 201210:34 pm
    by Shane

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    Two more top 5 lottery drafts.. and we may be back

  • Jan 12, 201210:40 pm
    by Willie

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    20 minutes of Stuck helped a lot but will not be enough.  After it heals you need 40 minutes of Stuck at least to have a real chance to win, BG can’t play D and is way more sporadic on offense. 

    • Jan 13, 20129:37 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Stuckey getting the line is huge because, as Dan pointed out, Knight doesn’t very often. Then when you pair him with Gordon, who also doesn’t, you have a very passive backcourt.

  • Jan 12, 201210:42 pm
    by Willie

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    Good sign from Knight and Monore who continue to develop!!

  • Jan 12, 201210:53 pm
    by Ryan

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    The Pistons are back?  Don’t get me wrong, I love the Pistons to death, and I’m still a huge fan, but 2-9 is far from back.  We’ll get there eventually, but this isn’t going to be the season.

    • Jan 12, 201211:02 pm
      by Dynamizer

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      Lol, I’m assuming Feldman was being sarcastic.

    • Jan 12, 201211:27 pm
      by Daye and Knight

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      Clearly he was being sarcastic

  • Jan 12, 201211:01 pm
    by Ryi

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    Pistons and Stuckey hate on their own site!?!  WT…classy move…or do you want me to say funny.  Sorry it wasn’t either.

    • Jan 12, 201211:06 pm
      by Laser

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      This is not the Pistons’ site or Stuckey’s; it’s Feldman’s site.

      • Jan 13, 20126:51 am
        by MrHappyMushroom

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        It does appear, doesn’t it, that some folks are having a real hard time understanding things tonight.

  • Jan 12, 201211:02 pm
    by Steve K

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    Wow, BG continues to kill this team. 3/14 shooting with 3 turns, none worse than that awful turnover to Delfino late.

    He needs to ride the pine. Roll with Knight, Stuckey, and Bynum.

    Not sure what happened to the defense today. They’ve made some strides defensively, but you couldn’t tell tonight (or the past few games for that matter).

    One positive is the dominant performance from Monroe. The Pistons treated him like a real money player tonight. Kept feeding him the rock, and Monroe kept delivering. Too bad they couldn’t get more stops.

    • Jan 13, 201212:04 am
      by Laser

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      Yeah, I think amnestying Gordon should be an easy call. Only they should have done it before the season started, and they should have held onto Rip and traded him next season. As long as you’re committed to playing only three guards, he’s as redundant as Villanueva, in that they’re both completely dispensable and just as (or more) likely to be a liabilities on the court as assets. So you may as well suck it up and swallow Villanueva’s contract since it’s much smaller.
       
      I mean, shit, look at it like this: The way this team is currently organized, BY DESIGN you have Rip’s dead money sitting on the books for $5.5 million and Bynum glued to the bench as “insurance” at $3.5 million. That’s more than Charlie’s contract, sitting there on the books doing nothing, so obviously the front office doesn’t have a MAJOR problem wasting that much money for a few seasons. If they’d just amnestied Gordon, no matter how bad things were this season, they could trade Rip at the deadline or in the offseason to add something to the roster.
       
      Only… amnestying Gordon would effecctively mean Joe set fire to around $60 million of his boss’s money and had literally nothing to show for it. The gem of our big free agency shopping spree that was supposed to turn the team around in one fell swoop but ended up killing our present and immediate future, given the richest contract in the history of the organization, and gets paid to go away after accomplishing absolutely nothing here. To a lesser extent, amnestying Villanueva would do the same thing. It’s too much of an admission of Joe’s own mistakes.
       
      As long as these guys are on the roster, Joe is going to have (1) hollow excuses, and (2) the faint glimmer of hope that they’ll redeem themselves– and, more importantly, Joe himself– just a little. They never will, of course, but if either one is amnestied without one single accomplishment in a Pistons jersey, Joe loses that bullshit shelter. This is one of the two* main reasons Joe should have been fired by now: Fixing this mess as effectively and efficiently as possible requires acknowledgment of the mistakes of the recent past. Joe is unwilling to admit those mistakes, so he’s the wrong man for the job.
       
      (*The other reason, of course, is retribution.)

      • Jan 13, 20124:55 am
        by gmehl1977

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        Laser bringing footnotes to pistonpowered. Look out Dumars!

      • Jan 13, 201210:22 am
        by tarsier

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        Again, what do you expect Rip would bring back in trade? Expiring deals are only valuable for taking back better players on worse contracts. That’s why they are good to contenders. Apart from that, they are used to allow to expire, freeing up cap room. The latter will happen with Rip anyway, but in the meantime, the Pistons have a bit more flexibility which could be used to get some value in a deal from a team looking to shed salary. That is pretty minor since it is just a “could be used,” but it is just as valuable as trying to trade his expiring deal.

        I still think amnestying CV is the way to go unless there are specific plans for the cap space of amnestying Gordon. Gordon has bad nights, but bottom line, he can sometimes contribute. I am not convinced Charlie can.

    • Jan 13, 20125:00 am
      by gmehl1977

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      Leave BG alone Steve. He is doing all he can to deliver us a top 3 pick (jokes).

      • Jan 13, 20128:36 am
        by Steve K

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        That’s a good point.

        (and wrt Laser’s post…) As much as I would rather have Hamilton than Gordon, at the very least this dreadful, embarrassing, painful season will likely hasten Dumars’ exit.

        If Hamilton stuck around and we amnestied Gordon prior to the season, my guess is the Pistons would be significantly more competitive. Their record may not be much different, if at all, but the blowout/embarrassment factor would be less. At least this way, Dumars’ awful decisions are apparent for all to see. Gores must be taking note. 

        Just my opinion, of course, but it seems clear that Rip (even disgruntled, oft-lackadaisical Rip) was way more effective than BG.  

        BG indeed is helping this team get the most ping-pong balls. Thank God it’s a shortened season!

  • Jan 12, 201211:11 pm
    by Domnick

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    the only problem with DET is we don’t have a shot blocker… no athletic big fella…

    plus our guards are playing inconsistent basketball (BG)… lets make some trades… we really need to dump someone!

    • Jan 13, 201212:06 am
      by Laser

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      yeah, one athletic big man and this team is SET!
       
      ugh… SMH

    • Jan 13, 201210:23 am
      by tarsier

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      the only thing you can say is this team’s “only problem” is being terrible.

  • Jan 12, 201211:28 pm
    by vic

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    yeah we did lose, but stuckey did help a lot. Tayshaun was a minus 15, Wilkins was a plus 10. If you watched the game you could tell that was a necessary move even without looking at the stats. Good news – Brandon played a little more aggressively. it paid off for him too. now hes just got get his passing back. Monroe was a beast, and we still lost. That means we are 1 step closer to the draft, and next year having a Beast at the 4 and a Monster at the 5.

  • Jan 12, 201211:30 pm
    by Ryi

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    LASER : You don’t call your site PISTONS POWERED and bash them.  Change the name to something else if you want to. 

    • Jan 12, 201211:46 pm
      by D_S_V

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      Ya Laser! 

      D4L

      (Dumars 4 Life)

      • Jan 13, 201212:13 am
        by Laser

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        @Ryi: This site was created when the Pistons closely resembled a professional basketball team. Then, with virtually unlimited flexibility, Joe made a series of foreseeably-bad moves to methodically dismantle an elite team and leave us with one of the worst teams in the history of any sport. We are not competitive or fun to watch, and the future is very bleak. Anybody with a shred of passion for this team or the sport should be calling for Joe Dumars’s job and his head.
         
        @DSV: Yeah, buddy. Joe can do no wrong! Thanks for the solid moves a full decade ago and the championship from the olden days my great-granddad keeps telling me about. Four more years! Four more years!

        • Jan 13, 201212:30 am
          by D_S_V

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          What about Knight and Monroe! I suppose those two (who, oh by the way, led the team in scoring tonight!) just fell into his lap?

          Just kidding! I watch the same unfortunate product as you do… I did enjoy watching Monroe play tonight though, which combined with tracking Knight’s progress are my only personal incentives to keep watching the games.

        • Jan 13, 201212:32 am
          by D_S_V

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          What about Knight and Monroe! I suppose those two (who, oh by the way, led the team in scoring tonight!) just fell into his lap?

          Just kidding! I watch the same unfortunate product as you do… I did enjoy watching Monroe’s play tonight though, which combined with tracking Knight’s progress are my only personal incentives to keep watching the games.

    • Jan 13, 20129:41 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      RYI – very little in that post could be called ‘bashing’ the Pistons.

  • Jan 12, 201211:34 pm
    by Daye and Knight

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    As soon as Stuckey is 100% he should slide over to the two guard spot and start along Knight, pushing Gordon to the bench. I’m not completely sold on just trading Gordon away cause I like what he can bring to the table offensively, on the bench. He’s a reck on the defensive end, but he would be instant offense off our bench, something this team lacks as of now

    • Jan 13, 20129:42 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      His role was off the bench the last two seasons and he didn’t exactly provide instant offense in that role either. I honestly think they’re starting Gordon and giving him minutes with the simple hope that he rebuilds some semblance of trade value.

  • Jan 12, 201211:36 pm
    by Mark

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    I thought Stuckey played good tonight. Maybe because compared to Bynum anyone looks good, but he was a big improvement.

    btw, who was the guy on here saying we were in trouble if Monroe is our #1 option, and every team in the league has a better #1 guy??? lol

    • Jan 12, 201211:41 pm
      by Daye and Knight

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      That would be me, lol Monroe showed some real potential tonight, tho I’m not entirely sold on him being a go to guy on a good team, and I still can’t name 10 teams where he would be anyone else’s go to guy…name me ten teams he would be the 1st option in and I’ll be sold lol

    • Jan 12, 201211:45 pm
      by Daye and Knight

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      Oh, and BTW we still lost..so “we’re in trouble” is still standing tall even if it wasn’t Monroe’s fault

    • Jan 13, 201212:04 am
      by Daye and Knight

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      Take your time…all the time you want lol I could only find 4 teams: Toronto, Cleveland, Charlotte, and the Hornets…make that 3, I forgot hornets have Eric Gordon

      • Jan 13, 201212:19 am
        by Mark

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        I think you are overrating a bunch of avg guards, and underrating the value of a consistent low-post scoring big man. Great Centers trump great guards every time, as being #1 options. That fact alone would make Monroe a #1 option on a lot of teams, simply because so few teams have a low post scoring big. Monroe might be a top 5 Center right now at 21. He could be a #1 option on a lot of teams. I’m not going to list them all, because there’s too many to name that DON’T have low post scoring bigs. Look at all those teams, and those would be the one’s Monroe would be a #1 option on, imo.

         

        • Jan 13, 201212:32 am
          by Daye and Knight

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          Ok…Monroe is NOT a center…he’s a PF forced to play center because we have no bigs, and as far as “centers” go along with power forwards let me make that list for you: Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Lamarcus Aldridge, Demarcus Cousins, Al Jefferson, Andrew Bynum, Dwight Howard, Nene, David West, Josh Smith, Amare, Kevin Garnett, Luis Scola, Andrew Bogut, Dirk, Zach Randolph…and that’s just centers and power forwards I didn’t even get to mention game changers: Durant, LeBRON, Rose, Rondo, Nash…would you take Monroe over any of the guys I mentioned above on a one year contract??

        • Jan 13, 201212:36 am
          by Daye and Knight

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          Monroe can’t stop anybody down low at least not a true big man, he’s better suited to play PF it’s nice he can play both positions but it’s clear he should slide over to the 4…if you would take Monroe over anyone listed above then you would make a crappy GM lol

          • Jan 13, 20129:44 am
            by Patrick Hayes

            He did a really nice job disrupting Bogut last night. Bogut isn’t a superstar offensive player, but he’s a decent low post scorer and he had all kinds of trouble getting shots he liked vs. Monroe.

          • Jan 13, 201212:32 pm
            by Daye and Knight

            Wow one game against a center who was out a few weeks due to personal problems and still isn’t 100% from his injury he suffered a few seasons ago…give the man a cookie!

  • Jan 13, 201212:38 am
    by Daye and Knight

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    “great centers trump great guards” so does that mean Monroe>Rose? Cause you say Monroe is a top “center” right? Lmao pleaseeeee

    • Jan 13, 20121:06 am
      by Mark

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      Monroe is a Center, imo, and I have a hard time coming up with 5 better. Howard, Bynum, Gasol, Nene, ?

      Who else besides those 4 are better Centers than Monroe?

      I believe Monroe is one of 6 players in the league avg over 16 pts, 9 rebs, and shooting over 50%, and he isn’t just shooting over 50%, he’s shooting near 60%.

      He’s 4th in the league in FG%. How are you going to tell me the 4th most efficient shooter in the league wouldn’t be a #1 option on most teams? The whole point of a #1 option is going to the guy who gives you the best chance to score.

      And yes, a great Center ALWAYS trumps a great perimeter player, if the coach has any clue. Ever heard of inside-out bball? The ball goes inside to the Center FIRST, he’s the #1 option.

      If you have a great Center that can score consistently in the low post at 60%, I don’t care if you have LeBron James on your team, the ball should go into your Center first, and only IF he doesnt have good look, should it be passed out to a perimeter player for a low percentage shot. Thats just fundamental basketball. And the kind that wins champiomships. If I were Spoelstra and Monroe were on the Heat, I’d play through him on offense every time, and he’d be the first to get the ball, letting Wade/LeBron/Bosh all play off him. If they had Monroe and played like that, they’d be unstoppable. The only reason they aren’t now is because they have no low post game, and are too perimeter player-reliant. Thats why a great Center is so much more valuable, and Monroe is a rare breed right now,

      • Jan 13, 20121:36 am
        by Daye and Knight

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        You’re crazy if you would put the ball in his hands before Wade and James, and that’s fine and all but aren’t the pistons allowing the most points in the paint right now? You have to look at it both ways…a center that isn’t a shot blocker or good defender is a power forward all day, I respect your answer even though I disagree with it, maybe he’ ll get better on the defensive end but right now, he’s a great low post scorer with no shot blocking skills or 1-1 low post defense, he can be a center in your opinion but in MY opinion heading into the next draft I would be going for a center to relive Monroe of a position that is more physical than playing the 4.

      • Jan 13, 20123:11 am
        by frankie d

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        monroe is not a center because he cannot guard centers.  he just can’t.  offensively, it doesn’t matter if he’s looked at as a 4 or 5, but defensively it does matter.  and when you match him up defensively against the big boys, he might struggle and not get embarrassed, but he won’t truly prosper.  why management continues to put players in that position – jj, stuckey, eg – is beyond me.  they should find a decent/good center to put next to him and move him over to the 4, where he has a chance to be a dominant player on both ends.
        also good to see that frank realized that he shouldn’t sit monroe down right when he is hot.   unlike the chicago game, when he sat him down at a critical point in the game, for no apparent reason.  glad to see that he didn’t have the concerns that some posters stated, concerning the young guy’s ability to play more than 32 minutes.  i guess monroe didn’t get the memo that he can’t play more than 32 minutes without exposing himself to injury.
        this is what happens when you keep a hot on the court.  they score.  and the best thing about it was that they really didn’t force-feed him.    if he’d gotten 25 or so shots, god knows what he would have done. 
        he seems a bit slow, but it looks like frank is catching on a bit.

        • Jan 13, 20127:34 am
          by D_S_V

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          Once again, nit picking over the “center” position. IMO we need another at the big position. Call it what you want, power forward, center, big man, shot blocker, etc. But to act like this is a league where every team has dominant big men and that most offenses run through a power guy in the post is unreasonable. There are more “PF’s” in this league that play the post game that Monroe would be subject to than centers. Monroe’s overwhelming value is what he contributes at the offensive end, and one of the Pistons needs is a defensive minded big man. If he’s 6’10, 260 or bigger and is a skilled defender and rebounder, I don’t care if you call him a shooting guard. The point being that rarely does a team have two bigs that both demand the ball in the post, so we just need someone to take the heavier defensive assignment off of Greg’s shoulders. I mean honestly, if we’re playing the Clippers, would you rather ideally have a “center” as you like to call it, just so Monroe can play PF and guard Blake? 

          http://www.nba.com/2012/news/01/12/all-star-ballot-results1/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

          I can find quite a few more “centers” here that I’d rather have Monroe check on the block than PF’s.

        • Jan 13, 20129:45 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          @frankie:

          Bogut is a center. Not a stud offensively, but solid, and Monroe didn’t do too badly guarding him last night.

          • Jan 13, 20122:23 pm
            by frankie d

            well, according to the milwaukee announcers i listened to last night on the online feed, bogut has been less than solid.  they were praying that he would get his act together offensively.
            in fact, if you look at his numbers, he is shooting 43% and only getting 2 foul shots a game, both horrible numbers for a legitimate 7 footer who’s been in the league for 7 seasons.   he certainly has been a lot better in the past, but this year he’s been pretty bad offensively.
            so monroe playing well against him doesn’t really say much.
            monroe can defend some big guys well because he is very smart and uses leverage well to keep guys from just backing him down and doing certain things they might want to do.  but when a team has athletic big guys, monroe’s lack of elite athleticism becomes painfully obvious.  the lack of a real rim protector, a shotblocker is killing the team.  the milwaukee announcers kept talking about the defensive hole in detroit’s middle and it is impossible to ignore.  the team does not have a single player averaging more than one block a game, and the leader is ancient ben, at .07.  monroe is next at .05.
            yes, monroe is a good, smart one on one defender who can individually guard lots of good bigs and will most times not get outright dogged, but he will not bring the defensive presence that a good team needs.
            funny, when you listen to broadcasts from outside the detroit market – which i typically do – the announcers notice it immediately and talk about it openly and constantly.  somehow joe d doesn’t see what is so apparent to others. 
            look at what SA has always done with duncan.  they have always put a big man next to him who can defensively handle the most difficult big man on the other team. robinson, kevin willis, nestorovic, nazr muhammed, oberto, elson….those guys basically did the dirty work so that duncan could concentrate on other things and take advantage of his myriad skills.   duncan is a good defender, but it obviously puts a lot of stress on him if he has to defend the other team’s center.  so SA has always had a big guy to play that role.  the pistons would be smart to do the same thing with monroe.   it would allow him to take better advantage of his wide array of skills.
            it would also, imho, allow monroe to become an even better rebounder.  he has that nose for the ball that all great rebounders have, and he has excellent, strong hands.  if he has someone next to him that provides a physical presence, someone who allows monroe to concentrate more on rebounding – the way mahorn freed laimbeer – monroe could average 12-15 boards a game.

        • Jan 13, 201212:57 pm
          by sebastian

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          frankied, I’ve been reading your post – arguing that Monroe is not a Center and I kind of agree with you, but when one steps back and take a closer look at Monroe’s game it becomes obvious that Monroe would probably have an easier time going against other Centers in the League.
          I think that Monroe could probably have more offensive success against the opposing Center position because he will force the opposing Centers to step away further from the basket to guard him. He will probably be more successful against Centers, because he may be a little quicker and his left hand (dominate hand) will force opposing Centers to react to him differently, forcing an additional 2-3 fouls. Also, I have noticed Monroe to be very crafty around the basket, sometimes using his right hand very skillfully.
          Monroe will probably be a better defender against opposing Centers, as well, as he will be able to get away with more banging, when guarding a larger player closer to the basket. There is no way in Hell Monroe will be successful guarding stretch fours and active fours like: Love, Stoudimire, Griffin, Bosh, Dirk, etc.
          No, the player OUR Pistons need is JaVele McGee. A guy who has length, speed, and quick hops. McGee could defend the aforementioned type PFs in the League, while Monroe checks the opposing teams’ Center.
          Now, how do WE acquire JaVele McGee. We offer the Wizards Charlie V. and OUR 2012 First Round for McGee and Trevor Booker.

        • Jan 13, 20122:55 pm
          by tarsier

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          Which centers can’t Monroe guard besides Howard?

          • Jan 13, 20123:01 pm
            by frankie d

            you must not have watched the games.  teams have been having a field day on detroit’s interior.
            did you see what NY did?

          • Jan 13, 20125:35 pm
            by tarsier

            OK, what centers can Monroe not guard because they are too center-y (big, strong, etc.)? He is not yet much of a defender but he is getting better. But he isn’t much of a defender against PFs either.

  • Jan 13, 20124:48 am
    by Pratik

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    A lot of positives in this game! And that’s really all you can hope and look out for – until the Pistons break this extremely long and frustrating losing streak and/or make some necessary changes. Frank for the first time played Big Ben for longer minutes with both JJ and Monroe, as well as J. Max..instead of playing Max and B. Wallace together. Defensively that helped us in small chunks of the game.
    But as mentioned already in this discussion, whenever BG was with B. knight in the back court..defensively it was a nightmare with a lot of turnovers, especially in the 3rd quarter when the Bucks opened up the game. Rodney Stuckey also showed why he shouldn’t play point, committing turnovers every time he played point, or running down the shot clock, and then trying to attack, only to get blocked or turn it over again. His game at the two needs to be what Frank has envisioned, attack the basket or take open mid-range jumpers, KEY WORD OPEN**. We really need to slide JJ at the 3, I would rather play J. Max at the 4 or even start Ben Wallace or V. Macklin. Coach Frank has to send a message to the management that he needs a CENTER to play alongside Monroe. That should have been the 2nd priority for Joe D after letting Rip go and resigning Stuckey/JJ/Prince.
    But as everyone saw Knight and Stuckey together, although Frank was hesitant to play them for a longer period of time, can allow us to run our offense smoothly, and we can compete on defense. There were certain moments in the game, where the Bucks couldn’t score on us – because we were making consistent defensive stops, grabbing rebounds, contesting shots, but all it took was one guy to be lazy – and leave open 3 point shooters. Gordon has to come off the bench, and like someone mentioned above, he can be a weapon, when we need a spark, or need to make clutch baskets. But giving him the starting role – just doesn’t make sense right now, or at least until he doesn’t perform regularly. Let him come off the bench, if he’s got a good rhythm – just give him more minutes???? Not trying to blame Frank, because maybe he does have it in mind…as Stuckey was injured..but in training camp – he kept mentioning how the starting line up won’t be the same through out the season..and theres really no change…B. Knight is only replacing Rodney as he is injured. But now since he’s back…I expect Knight to keep starting, and Stuckey to move over to the 2.

    • Jan 13, 20129:03 am
      by ryan

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      Interesting thoughts here Pratik and I appreciate the positivity. I would like to see Vernon Macklin starting next to Greg Monroe even if he doesn’t play big minutes we ought to get him out there and see what he can do. Move JJ to the bench and tell him to hit the boards like mad whenever he comes in, plus shut his man down. Then see if Macklin can get it cracklin’.
       

      • Jan 13, 20129:47 am
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Doug Collins used to start Don Reid, who was terrible, but he’d usually set a good tone with energy and hustle and then barely play the rest of the game. It would be interesting to see Macklin in this kind of role if he shows he can be scrappy, take charges and rebound a little. Not sure how well he does any of those things yet though, to be honest.

  • Jan 13, 20127:00 am
    by MrHappyMushroom

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    Stat of the Century:
     
    Will Bynum’s +/- per 36 minutes tonight was…
     
    -2,160.
     
    Check the box score and do the math.  This may be worst statistical outing of any player in any basketball game at any level in history.

  • Jan 13, 20127:41 am
    by gmehl1977

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    Anyone heard Sheed is looking to make a comeback. Hey we couldn’t do any worse than CV right?
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7457602/report-former-detroit-piston-rasheed-wallace-considering-nba-comeback

  • Jan 13, 20128:49 am
    by chuj

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    imagine monroe playing with the 2004 version of ben wallace

    sweet jesus

    • Jan 13, 20129:37 am
      by Steve K

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      Joe D should look into bolstering the bench to find someone who could fit that mold. Obviously, as PH has pointed out, Ben Wallace’s don’t “grow on trees”, but it would be nice to see Dumars at least acknowledge defense and rebounding as a point of focus.

  • Jan 13, 20129:01 am
    by Victor Fontana

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    Just to add more heat to the discussion.

    Although Hollinger’s PER is not a perfect measure, Monroe ranks 5 on the nation by that stat (slightly above 26), behind Manu, LeBron, Kobe and Durant.

    As Manu is hurt and only played 5 games, you can say Monroe is currently 4th.

    That is enough to say that by that stat, Monroe is making numbers more impressive than any PF or C in the game. D12, Andrew Bynum, Marc Gasol. Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, you name the guy. 

    I don’t believe he’ll keep up with this PER, but right now, with his current display, he seems a reliable go-to guy to me.

    That doesn’t we don’t need a defensive big athletic body to pair up with him and protect effectively the paint. Namely, Anthony Davis.

    • Jan 13, 20129:32 am
      by Steve K

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      PER isn’t perfect, but it does have some merit. His PER reinforces how much Monroe has grown as a player and how important he is to this team.

      He continues to prove the naysayers wrong, and at this point, who really knows his ceiling?

      He looked like Lamarcus Aldridge out there, and I mean that as a compliment. That dude has a wide array of offensive moves and always seems to be a thorn in the Pistons’ side.

      • Jan 13, 20129:49 am
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Yeah, around the draft, most scouts had his ceiling as Vlade Divac/Brad Miller. I would’ve taken that, those are two really solid players. But he’s breezed past those guys. I honestly have no idea how good he’ll be at this point. He might be better than Aldridge down the road when you factor in Monroe’s superior rebounding.

        • Jan 13, 201211:00 am
          by Steve K

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          Very true.

          And you’re right about his defense on Bogut too. It wasn’t Bogut that killed the Pistons last night… which would’ve been our prediction, considering our typically soft front-court.

          Quite a statement game from Monroe, albeit in a loss.

          • Jan 13, 201211:39 am
            by Victor Fontana

            PER has great merit. How Monroe is averaging above 26 puzzles me. I think most of the difficulty on establishing a ceiling for him is his (lack of) athleticism. People tend to imagine that a big man HAS to be athletic to succeed, which is only partially true.

            I don’t think Monroe is a liability on defense. The thing is, he’s not the same defender every night. Yesterday he was good. Will he be today? Let’s hope he finds some regularity (does this word exist in English?).

            If he finds a way to play average defense every night, we’ll be very close to see his ceiling. What else could he add to his current game? More assists maybe?

            i just think -as everybody does – he needs help. A shot-blocker PF or C next to him wouldn’t do bad.

          • Jan 13, 20128:15 pm
            by tarsier

            Monroe and Love, bringing back the very-good-in-spite-of-not-being-athletic big man.

        • Jan 13, 20122:58 pm
          by frankie d

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          he can be better than aldridge.
          the blazers are my second team and i watch almost every game.  monroe is much more skilled than aldridge.  aldridge does two things better: he has more range on his shot – all the way out to the 3 point line – and he runs the court a bit better.  aldridge is amazingly fast for a near seven footer.  almost rodman-like in the way he runs the court.  monroe gets up and down the court, but he is nowhere near as fast or graceful as aldridge.
          but aldridge is a mediocre rebounder who really doesn’t have that nose for the ball.  he just doesn’t explode to it the way that monroe does.  he also doesn’t like contact, and monroe doesn’t seem to mind it.  
          monroe is a far superior rebounder.  it is not even close.  everyone always gets on aldridge because of his mediocre rebounding.
          monroe also has passing skills that aldridge can only dream of.  the last few years, the blazers have been taken out of the playoffs by teams using a simple formula: they double aldridge, if he’s posted up, and force him to make decisions and quick passes.  he is horrible at it and at best, doesn’t turn it over.  but he never makes the defense pay for doubling him, he panics and just tries to get the ball to an open man.  when teams have a chance to game plan for the blazers, that strategy -doubling him and forcing him to pass out of double teams – is the number one move they make.  it has worked every year and is probably the main reason they’ve not gotten out of the first round since he’s been with the team.
          he’s never averaged more than 2 assists a game.  monroe is averaging about double that amount.
          monroe’s passing skills far surpass aldridge’s and even now, monroe makes teams pay if they attempt to double him.  
          monroe is a far superior ball handler also.  aldridge is your basic catch and shoot big man.  he can dribble once or twice  to get his rhythm, but that is it.  he almost never puts it on the floor and uses his dribble to get into better position.  the only time he does that is when he takes a couple of dribbles and shoots his turnaround.  maybe once a game he will dribble to the basket, and it is such a shock to everyone that it is very effective. aldridge’s low post game is very mediocre as a result.  the only thing he does in the post is use a turnaround jumper.  he never drop-steps or uses footwork to get closer in and get an easy shot.
          monroe is very capable of putting the ball on the floor like a guard to get to the rim, even from about 15 feet or so.  no way, no how aldridge ever does that.
          monroe also has both a left and right hand close to the rim.  aldridge does not have that ability.
          like the milwaukee announcers kept saying last night, monroe is just a smooth offensive player  he is like bob lanier that way, a big man with guard skills.
          aldridge is definitely more gifted athletically, but he has nowhere near the skills that monroe has.  he is not even in the same league.  
          bottom line: monroe has a higher ceiling than aldridge, especially if they use monroe more at the 4 and put the defending responsibilities on someone else.   one of the things that coaches and media here recognize is that while aldridge can play the 5 – like monroe – and he often moves over to the 5 fior short spurts, it ultimately takes a huge physical toll on him and it is much better if a true 5 handles the defensive duties on the bigger guys.
          aldridge is an interesting comparison, one i wouldn’t have immediately thought of.  as someone who’s seen just about every game aldridge has played, i’d state unequivocally that monroe will be a better player, absent an injury.

  • Jan 13, 20129:45 am
    by gordbrown

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    Stuckey had four assists and two turnovers. One of those blocked shots should have been a foul on Delfino (of course that was nothing compared to the foul(s) Delfino got away with on Gordon that turned the game around). More minutes from Stuckey and the team will improve. Start winning and the team might to start getting some calls. Cutting back on Maxiell (2 points on five shots and significantly outrebounded) would help as well. Let’s see what happens against Charlotte, who are truly awful (Biyombo included).

  • Jan 13, 201211:27 am
    by Marvin Jones

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    At some point Frank is going to have to change the 2nd unit front line of Wilkins, Maxiell and Ben. That has to be the shortest front line in the NBA and the most offensively challenged. I know he likes the “defensive presence” it brings but they don’t rebound well, they don’t score and they are overmatched on most nights by the superior height of the opposing teams 2nd unit. At 2 and 9 it might be time to try something else. I propose and 2nd unit front line of Daye, Macklin and Charlie V, all of whom are 6’10 or taller. That unit should rebound better and definitely score better, who knows, maybe Knight’s assists will improve with more offensive options on the floor with him. I think Macklin will show steady improvement, like Monroe last year, as his confidence grows with more playing time. I also think Daye would get his confidence back and start knocking down shots like we know he can. With 2 shooters on the floor maybe Knight will have more driving lanes to exploit. The defense will suffer for a while but I think eventually with their length they could become a fairly decent defensive unit. With our record and the way we’ve been losing, you have to try new things and new combinations to see what will work and I think this is at least worth a try.  

    • Jan 13, 20123:09 pm
      by frankie d

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      imho, frank is a bad game coach. 
      his line-ups, his substitutions, just the way he manages the games leave a lot to be desired.  imo.
      he obviously is a smart guy who knows a lot about BB, but from what i’ve seen so far, he just doesn’t have the feel for the flow of games and how to put his mark on the game, as a coach.
      the front court line up you note – wilkins, max and ben – is just one example.  no offense, and it puts even more pressure on the guards to take risks and risk turnovers.  who else is going to score if the guards don’t?  and it puts max in the position of being a scorer, which is laughable.
      coaches don’t go on long losing streaks accidentally.  they happen for reasons.
      it’s pretty clear that frank’s lack of “touch” with games – and maybe a communication issue as he yells at his players something awful and i’ve never seen very many successful coaches use that approach in the nba – won’t bode well for the season.

  • Jan 13, 201211:49 am
    by Mr.BlockedShot

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    Finally we got an almost close game. But with that Prince´s airball lights went out. Anyway, since we had those two great performances from Monroe and Knight, the game was close to be considered as watchable game. That´s not a little keeping in mind all the awful previous games.
    Ben Gordon continues to kill himsef with that rushed shots, bad passing decissions, turnovers and poor defense. He´s so much of a one-dimensioned player that if he´s not scoring he will hurt his own team a lot. He´s always oversized and overplayed in defense, but at least you are counting on him on the other end. I don´t know how much of the blame can take Frank in Gordon not getting his good shots, but, in the end…who´s not converting shots isn´t Frank but BG. 
    Realisticaly, apart from Monroe, Knight and some production from Stuckey and Prince (although 6/17 from the field…), the rest of the Pistons were almost dead bodies on the court. I wonder how long will it take to Frank to give a chance to Mackiln. Not speaking about starting role but more time on the court. i truly belive he´s right now our best option at C. Why is he not even trying it? What do we have to lose? Maybe a game more? Oh My…
    JJ keeps lost in limbo…and Maxiell turned to his oldself…Villanueva is out and Daye is missing in action. So…what decent pieces do we have in the SF/PF possition? Prince? Wilkins? ouch!
    Will we get some minutes from Macklin tonight? Come on Frank, it´t the Bobcats!!

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