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Rip Hamilton’s issues with the Pistons were clearly with the front office

It was clear Rip Hamilton wasn’t happy as a Piston the last few seasons. What was unclear, however, was who his anger was directed at. The above video from the Oakland Press should clear things up. Some have suggested that he was upset with the coaching staff. Hamilton’s responses pretty clearly indicate otherwise.

First, around the 2:50 mark, Hamilton responds to a question about being painted as the ring leader of the team’s locker room problems last year and says, “Ask the guys in the locker room, they’ll tell you who I am. Ask the coaching staff, they’ll tell you who I am.”

He also says that he felt like the organization lost faith in him and admits that he hadn’t been happy for a while.

The final minute of the video, Hamilton says that he and John Kuester were “good friends” and said that Kuester was put in a tough situation.

But the absolute best part is in the final :10 seconds. A reporter asks, “You’re still friends with Joe (Dumars), right?” Hamilton just responds with silence and a telling smile.

46 Comments

  • Jan 6, 201212:32 pm
    by sebastian

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    After watching this video, it is abundantly clear that Joe doesn’t have any respect amongst former Pistons players, current players on other teams, and GMs throughout the League.
    Hence, the reason why no trade has been executed since Nov. 3, 2008, the dreaded Chauncey to Denver trade for A.I.
    WE are doomed, as long as, Joe remains the GM.
    Joe must go!

    • Jan 6, 20121:12 pm
      by gmehl1977

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      Firstly i think if Rip has an issue with the way everything panned out in Detroit then i think he should of at least said ‘I blame Joe Dumars for what went down’. Even though Joe is a lot to blame (more than most) for how things have transpired i still think Rip is a little weak by dancing around what he really wants to say. At the end of the day Rip got paid and overpaid might i add so in all essence he should be happy Joe was stupid enough to extend him when he did because no other team would of given him that kind of money. I am not defending Joe but am rather just disappointed with the road Rip has taken with that last comment. Be a freaking man and say what is on your mind cause you haven’t been able to the last couple of years.

      @Sebastian – I don’t think we are doomed with Joe as GM but he has certainly lost a lot of confidence i had in him the last 3-4 seasons. I loved Chauncey but it was definitely time to blow that team up and Chauncey was the best trade chip to start rebuilding. As has been stated many a time its what he did with the expiring money in getting BG and CV that was the problem. Joe might never get back to his old self but for the sake of the pistons future we all better hope he does.

      • Jan 6, 20123:05 pm
        by frankie d

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        what good would come to rip if he had ripped joe?
        nothing positive.
        he would have been criticized as a malcontent and skewered by the media.
        also, one rule players learn early is that they should never burn any bridges in the league.  they just never know when they may need the assistance of an executive, an organization or a coach.
        rip did the smart thing.  any idiot understands what he was communicating, so there was no need to go further.
        a discreet, smart move on his part.
        regarding chauncey…
        if joe felt he needed to break up the team, the one thing you don’t do is trade your team’s leader and point guard.  leaders are tough to find.  point guards are extremely tough to find.  if he wanted to shake up the team, rip or sheed or tay would have been better trade choices even if they did not have chauncey’s market value.
        and trading him for AI – or for the future cap space – was just monumentally dumb, no matter what he’d done with the cap space.
        smart teams get cap space as an incidental aspect of big trades.  it should never be the centerpiece of a big trade, unless you are dumping a player for whatever reason.  chauncey was an all star point guard and certainly not a player to be dumped.
        AI was washed up, as anyone who had watched him play could see. 
        no the problem was not signing BG and CV.  the problem was making an astoundingly dumb trade in the first place.
        btw, can  you point to a single trade where an all star point guard was traded for cap space?
        for a reference point, check out the trade NJ made when they shipped jason kidd to dallas.  that is how you trade an all star point guard.

  • Jan 6, 20121:52 pm
    by Murph

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    Well, if Rip’s problem is with Dumars, then who can blame him?  Rip isn’t the first guy that Joe has screwed over, and he won’t be the last.  Was Joe or one of his stooges responsible for the media leak?

    Although, I have to say, Rip is a very forgiving individual, if he doesn’t harbor a grudge against Kuester for bench him for 23 straight games, without an explaination. 

    Also, I think Feldman owes Hamilton an apology for calling him a liar and a hypocrit, when Hamlton stated that he didn’t have a problem with Kuester.  According to this tape, Rip was speaking the truth.

    But of course, I won’t hold my breath on Feldman’s apology. 

    • Jan 6, 20122:10 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Will you apologize for the comments you posted about Kuester/Sullivan?

      Also, Hamilton may not have ‘had a problem’ with Kuester, but he absolutely didn’t treat Kuester well. Hamilton said “Kuester had a tough job.” Yeah. Part of the reason it was so tough was because of Hamilton’s actions. He tossed around words like “friend” and “respect” when he was talking about Kuester in that video. There were certainly times Hamilton didn’t act like he respected Kuester last season, even if he “didn’t have a problem with him.”

      • Jan 6, 20122:34 pm
        by Murph

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        If someone can show that Kuester and Sullivan didn’t leak the story, I’ll apologize.

        But if Kuester and Sullivan didn’t leak the story, who did?…Joe?…one of Joe’s henchmen?    Is Joe really the nice guy that everyone protrays him to be?

    • Jan 6, 20122:50 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Hamilton said he never had a problem with Kuester. We can have a real debate about how much of a problem with Kuester he had, and there are reasonable points to make on both sides. But to say no problem, ever, at all? No, I think Hamilton was wrong about that. I mean, a source very close to the situation even said as much once:

      http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/richard-hamilton-felt-offended-by-john-kuesters-attempt-to-reach-out/

      • Jan 6, 20128:13 pm
        by Murph

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        So I’ll take that as a “no”, you aren’t going to apologize.

  • Jan 6, 20122:06 pm
    by Max

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    @Sebastian; so the change in ownership has had nothing to do with the lack of trades?

    • Jan 6, 20123:08 pm
      by sebastian

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      Max, I’m not totally following your question. But, I would argue that there should had been trades when Mrs. Davidson was the owner. Trades made in an effort to enhance the roster so that more games could have been won and thus increase the attendance at the Palace; making the Pistons a more attractive property for sale.
      But since there were not any trades prior to the sale of the team to Gores, I would have thought that there would have been more trades between Dec. 9 and today, again in effort to win more games and thus, increase the attendance at the Palace.
      Has anyone seen all of the people disguised as empty seats, at the Palace.
      OUR squad’s roster is pretty inferior, when compared to the other 29 teams in the League and that’s a fact.

  • Jan 6, 20122:18 pm
    by Max

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    I guess RIP thought it would have good to keep the 2004 group together forever.  Maybe, he would have won RIP’s respect if he had started to resign players from 89 and 90.  Those guys won a title too and deserve respect and new contracts.  Joe should sign Laimbeer and the Microwave!
    Let me ask everyone here a question and try not to get too hysterical.   If Dumars and Hamilton were both character witnesses who gave opposite testimony in a trial, who would you believe?  One guy had the sportsmanship award named after him and the other guy practically led the league in techs every year, has a disproportionately lofty view of himself and can’t control his temper.

    • Jan 6, 20122:40 pm
      by Murph

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      It’s gotten to the point where I wouldn’t mind seeing Joe replaced.

  • Jan 6, 20122:41 pm
    by BG

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    Max – Sheed “practically led the league in techs every year” 

    Joe has made ONE good move… getting Sheed. Other than that… the idea of getting rid of Chauncey for AI and his expiring contract would have been good if he hadn’t spent it on 20 pts 5 rebs and 2.5 assists… FOR TWO PLAYERS!!!

    And your talking about respecting someone for something they did on the floor, not in the front office which is what this conversation is about. You don’t keep a GM because he was a good and classy player… SEE MATT MILLEN for proof

    • Jan 6, 20123:25 pm
      by frankie d

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      chauncey for AI was the original sin.
      it didn’t matter what he did with the cap space, it was a dumb move in its origin.
      as i’ve asked plenty of times, can you name another similar trade, where an all star point guard is traded for cap space?  cap space is good to get and have, but in nba transactions, unless a player is being dumped, it is always incidental to other aspects of the trade.
      again, name another similar trade where the goal was simply to acquire cap space?

  • Jan 6, 20122:41 pm
    by Derek

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    @Max: the ownership and sale of the team was the cause of the personnel move.  And I would believe Joe over Rip. 

    I really enjoyed having Rip as a part of our team during the Carisle, Brown, and Saunders days.  The Curry and Kuester days were a train wreck.  The fact that he doesn’t take any responsibility for his petulant actions really disappoints me.

    Oh and Rip has never been in the visitor’s locker room?  Wow!  So when he played for the Wizards he suited up with the Pistons?

  • Jan 6, 20122:49 pm
    by Derek

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    Joe made one good move?  Joe pulled off a sign and trade getting Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins when it was inevitable that Grant Hill was going to leave.  He signed Chauncey Billups, traded for Rip, and made a mid season move to get Sheed.  He was responsible for drafting Tayshaun Prince.  And he replaced a successful coach in Rick Carisle for a Larry “the wanderer” Brown.

    The Pistons enjoyed playoff success for several years before it was needful to blow up the complacent team and weather an ownership transition that handcuffed Joe from making significant moves.

    We have an exciting future ahead of us with Brandon Knight, Greg Monroe, and Jonas Jerebko.  And we have our best coach since Larry Brown.

  • Jan 6, 20122:50 pm
    by Max

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    This is a speculative comparison but look at the Lakers recent blocked trade and how Odom and Gasol each reacted.  To my mind, RIP is a guy who is more like Odom; they are emotional, blame the guys at the top, don’t see the big picture and don’t have realistic attitudes about their own worth.  As such, Odom could no longer tolerate being in LA, even though he loved it there and demanded a trade.  Gasol is the opposite and was able to remove himself and emotions from the equation, realize what he really wanted and was best for himself and keep acting like a pro and stay in LA.  RIP handled the trade of Billups, the presence of AI, the development of Stuckey, the presence of Ben Gordon and the last two coaches extremely poorly and whined and yelled at every turn.  Does anyone remember him yelling at Kuester and reportedly telling him “You ain’t shit”?  Why would anyone believe a word of what RIP says–we’ve all seen him lie about 10,000 times over foul calls.   I loved RIP and thought he was underrated in his prime but I’ve been watching for over 30 years and other than AI, not many players have been worse at facing their own decline.

    • Jan 6, 20128:19 pm
      by Murph

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      “RIP handled the trade of Billups, the presence of AI, the development of Stuckey, the presence of Ben Gordon and the last two coaches extremely poorly.”

      Um…yes…in fact, the entire Pistons organization handled the trade of Billups. the presence of AI, the development of Stuckey, and the prescence of Gordon and the last two coaches poorly.  That’s why the Pistons have been terrible for the last few years, isn’t it?

      I couldn’t care less what Rip yelled at Kuester.

      I would love to see Rip end his career on an up-note in Chicago, by going deep into the playoffs for the next few years.  In fact, I’d love to see Rip play for another 4 or 5 years.  He’s in such great shape, he just might be able to do it.

  • Jan 6, 20122:57 pm
    by Max

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    @BG—I was talking about who is more believable and has better character between RIP and Joe and not about how they played or managed.   As Derek, points out, Dumars made lots of good moves and I think Jerebko, Monroe and Knight were some very good recent ones.  Also, I said RIP practically led the league in techs every year because he was finishing second to Sheed every year,

  • Jan 6, 20122:58 pm
    by Some dude

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    I enjoy the writing from you guys, but do I have to continue to find articles on here about coaches being tough disciplinarians and stuff like that?  I mean, Tom Izzo coaches college students.  He’s one step above spanking kids with rulers.  NBA players are mature adults in the working world, however fantasy-like it is.  Coaches needn’t be disciplinarians and administrators.  They’re part of the talent.  Strategists, not counselors.  They don’t deserve extra respect.  That’s why they get to share in the credit and wear the ring.  And that’s why their jobs are as uncertain as the players’.

    • Jan 6, 20123:06 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I have never once written or advocated that the Pistons need an authoritarian, disciplinarian as a coach. Hell, that’s the main reason I found everyone’s logic about why they wanted Bill Laimbeer hired faulty — his proponents basically talked up his toughness/intensity/motivation ability/etc.

      I do, however, fully believe that a head coach in the NBA needs to communicate effectively and there needs to be a clear pecking order as far as decision-making. John Kuester is a prime example of what happens to a coach who cannot communicate in a strong way that commands respect.

      Yes, the NBA is not the same as the college coach-player dynamic. But it is still an employee-manager relationship that depends on players consenting to be managed. If they don’t consent, the system fails (look at Sacramento, for example).

  • Jan 6, 20123:19 pm
    by BG

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    FYI any GM would try to get something when they know a star is leaving, Chauncey wasn’t a coveted Free Agent when we got him… so even if I grant ya the RIP and possibly the Chauncey if he foresaw how he would turn out,, and Tay is pretty much done… but 2 decent moves and 1 good one in 10 years…  

    We are a team who might make the playoffs sometime in the next 5 years. But no chance of more than that… and if your so high on Brandon Knight, you better hate the Stuckey signing

    • Jan 6, 20123:39 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Prince, Okur, Delfino, Johnson, Maxiell, Stuckey, Afflalo, Jerebko, Monroe and (hopefully) Knight were all good draft picks. Last I checked, draft picks are transactions made by general managers as well.

      The Hamilton-Stackhouse trade was a great trade. Billups, Ben Wallace and McDyess were great free agent signings. Getting Cliff Robinson for John Wallace was a great trade. Getting Corliss Williamson for Jerome Williams/Montross was a great trade. Getting Jon Barry for Mateen Cleaves was a great trade.

      A lot of these moves were in the distant past. I’m not defending his recent record at all. But to say that Dumars has made “one good move” is patently ridiculous and just plain false.

      • Jan 6, 20124:09 pm
        by frankie d

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        once upon a time, joe made excellent MOVES.  (plural.)
        then he just seemed to lose his way.
        maybe he just stopped working as hard as he had previously.  surely, his physical appearance seemed to indicate a certain laziness.  how much weight has he gained in the last 6 years?
        or maybe certain guys left – will robinson, hammond, eg, – and took their expertise with them.  maybe he relied on people like that more than is known.
        as a fan, it is hard to tell.

        • Jan 6, 20127:51 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Will Robinson was a great, great scout and basketball mind. He also once said that Darko Milicic reminded him of Wilt Chamberlain. Always love that quote from him looking back on it.

          I think you’re right to an extent. Dumars had success early. Any person that has success early inevitably ends up getting more decision making power and maybe listens to others less. I really do think having less influential voices in the room have hurt over the years. Hopefully, with Lawrence Frank and some of the other basketball hires they’ve made, that begins to change.

  • Jan 6, 20124:30 pm
    by khandor

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    According to Rip, he expected to retire as a member of the Detroit Piston, along with Chauncey Billups. Neither player got their wish, however. This is truly unfortunate. It is not unreasonable to expect that Rip Hamilton does not consider Joe Dumars to be a friend of his, at this time, given how the end of both his and Chauncey’s time with the Pistons was handled by the GM. This is a non-story. Hopefully, with the passage of time, Rip and Joe will be able to re-kindle their relationship, as 2 vitally important parts of the Pistons’ championship history.

  • Jan 6, 20124:45 pm
    by Joe Dumars

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    “Hamilton sold his house in the Detroit area when Billups was traded to Denver. He admitted that if he had known his backcourt mate and good friend was going to be traded he would never have signed a contract extension, which was about the only controversial thing he had to say about his “incredible experience” with the Pistons.”

    Funny considering he actually didn’t sign the extension until after Billups was traded.

    • Jan 6, 20124:51 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yep. That, to me, is the biggest issue I have with Hamilton. I get why he’s disgruntled. I get that the organization is culpable for putting a mismatched roster together.

      But Hamilton didn’t have to sign. He knew Billups was gone, he was given an opportunity to back out of the extension (which was agreed to but not signed) and he still signed it. Then, things probably got way worse than Hamilton imagined they would and he got more angry.

      Like I said, I totally understand the anger. But he chose to take the extension because he wouldn’t get paid that much elsewhere. I don’t fault him for that, and he had no idea the team would also sign Gordon, but he stayed in a less than ideal situation knowingly.

  • Jan 6, 20125:47 pm
    by Max

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    Exactly, Hamilton is totally lying.  He signed the extension after the trade was completed and I always imagined that the only reason he received one was that Joe was trying to placate RIP’s anger over the trade.  For Hamilton to now say he never would have signed proves he is a total liar.
    Also, Billups told Dumars he wanted to finish his career in Denver and was accommodated in his request.
    The question has been asked several times what all star PG had ever been traded for cap space but the question is not an accurate way of assessing the trade.  There has been a lot of arguing over the semantics of rebuilding and whether that contradicts Dumars’ statements.  Well, I believe if you look back at the off season leading up to the trade of Billups, it is a fact that you will frequently find reference to Dumar’s having said, in one form or other, that he had seen enough.
    You ask what PG had ever been traded for cap space.  I would put forth that the Bulls, as stupid as they were, broke up the entire Jordan dynasty for cap space and the chance to start over,  It was not even hidden that Krause was giddy at the notion of breaking it all up and starting over.
    You can also find Dumars’ statement about when he would break up the team while in the middle of their run and he said it would be when the bigs declined.  Well, they declined and that it why Billups was traded for cap space.  End of story.  If you don’t think they have been in a rebuilding phase since then, you must be suffering from some delirium. 

    • Jan 6, 20126:17 pm
      by frankie d

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      “You ask what PG had ever been traded for cap space.  I would put forth that the Bulls, as stupid as they were, broke up the entire Jordan dynasty for cap space and the chance to start over, …”
      yea…that is what i asked.  and instead of responding to my question, you answered a question i’d not posed and have no interest in.  
      a nice tactic if you are on a witness stand or if you are a politician, but certainly not honest.
      again, i have a simple question: name a single similar trade for an all-star point guard.  period.
      not whether teams were broken up or any such irrelevent inquiry.
      and i guess you know something that joe d doesn’t know.
      he has steadfastly denied that he was rebuilding.  to the best of my knowledge, he has NEVER said that he has been rebuilding.  in fact, if you can find any such statement, i’d surely like to see it.  if i’ve missed it, then i’ve missed it.  
      but the “beliefs” of fans mean nothing.
      you’re welcome to your beliefs.
      it is not what joe d has stated.  
      and in fact, though i’ve had real problems with joe d, one thing has been pretty consistent: when he makes public statements, you can pretty much count on those statements being reflective of what he actually believes, and will do.
      (a huge problem is that he typically hides behind being an anomymous  media “source” and rarely talks directly to the public – unlike in other markets where execs keep a much higher profile and keep their fans informed with public statements and info – but that is another matter.)
      he’s said he is not rebuilding.  he has continued to sign and play vets like mcgrady and wilcox and tay and wilkins and kwame brown, while not showing any urgency to “rebuild” and determine the value and worth of his own draft choices.
      looks like he is doing exactly what he has said he’s been trying to do: win now, while still trying to get better and a bit younger.
      glad to know some fans know, by some sort of esp, that joe is lying about his actions and intent.

  • Jan 6, 20126:28 pm
    by Max

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    He is not lying.  He would simply never say he is rebuilding as it is not the kind of cultural message he wishes to send and you haven’t answered the quotes I attributed to him.  He said he had seen enough prior to the trade and he said he would break the 04 group up when their bigs declined.
    I could give you many instances of teams breaking up and trading players of every type and the only reason I cannot give you another example of a team trading another all star for cap space is because teams haven’t been making any moves for cap space until very recent times and so the sample size is very small.
    For instance, I can tell you that as of this moment, no team has ever cleared cap space to sign a free agent that helped them win a championship.  It has simply never happened.  Does that mean I should call the Heat and Knicks stupid and say they will never win because they followed that strategy?

  • Jan 6, 20126:48 pm
    by Fennis

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    A lot of people have a right to be disappointed by Joe D., but Rip is not one of them. How much money did Joe give him at the tail end of his Piston career?
     
    Cry me a river. Joe D is the best thing that ever happened to Rip Hamilton — in life.

    Fennis

  • Jan 6, 20126:58 pm
    by Max

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    And another thing; signing and playing vets does not contradict the general notion of rebuilding,   Your belief that the Pistons are not and have not been rebuilding makes me think you must have a very narrow definition of what the term could mean.  For me, any team that does not believe its core can compete for a title and is actively seeking to improve and increase its core is in some phase of rebuilding.  When the emphasis is also on young players and the team is looking at its young players and wondering if they can be that core, then the team is definitely rebuilding.  Do you think Joe thought the team would win a ring the last few years?
    He doesn’t have to say “we’re rebuilding” because it is evident to himself and everyone else that they are not an elite team or title contender but one that hopes to develop into one.  Further, as a framing issue, I agree with Joe’s tact as the phrase “we’re rebuilding” lowers expectations on everyone and inspires cultural malaise.
    Finally, look around at the young and rebuilding teams around the league and you will be hard pressed to find clubs where veterans are not present and not getting opportunities.  The poster child of the OKC Thunder have been signing and playing veterans all along.  The Warriors, a very youngish rebuilding team, signed the aforementioned Kwame Brown and are playing him minutes.  You must not understand what rebuilding should and does look like if you think McGrady last year and Wilkins this are some sort of contradiction.
     

  • Jan 6, 20127:13 pm
    by frankie d

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    “I could give you many instances of teams breaking up and trading players of every type and the only reason I cannot give you another example of a team trading another all star for cap space is because teams haven’t been making any moves for cap space until very recent times and so the sample size is very small.”
    lol!
    in other words, it has never happened.  period.
    and it has never happened for a very good reason.  
    it is an exceedingly dumb thing to do and every other exec in the league has refused to do something so exceedingly stupid.
    only our esteemed joe dumars has done something so dumb and as fans we have to suffer through the results.
    and again, it is good that you know exactly what joe d has tried to say, even when he has specifically stated the opposite.  wow! what a gift!

  • Jan 6, 20127:33 pm
    by Max

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    BTW: The Knicks just amnestied Billups to clear space and you are incapable of addressing any points and act a lot more like the unreliable witness you accused me of being.

    • Jan 6, 20128:24 pm
      by Murph

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      I have to say, judging by how the Knicks are playing this year, they made a huge mistake in dumping Billups for cap space, just like Joe.

  • Jan 6, 20127:36 pm
    by Max

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    All star PG Mo Williams was traded for Baron Davis to eventually clear space last year.

  • Jan 6, 20127:40 pm
    by Max

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    You could say Kevin Martin was traded to clear cap space.

  • Jan 6, 20127:41 pm
    by Max

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    Zach Randolph was traded for cap space.

  • Jan 6, 20127:49 pm
    by Max

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    Jamaal Crawford was traded for cap space.
    Larmar Odom was traded for a trade exception.
    Every time a player is signed and traded, it is for cap space. The examples are endless.

  • Jan 7, 20125:32 am
    by Derek

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    Joe Dumars broke up a complacent team that was getting old.  He honored a class act in Billups by brokering a deal to send him where he wanted to go, namely home to Denver.  He honored Rip by giving him an absurd contract.  The franchise made him essentially the focal point of the offense, which was something Washington never intended to do.

    Rip gained respect in Detroit.  Rip became a champion in Detroit.  Rip became an All Star in Detroit.  Rip was asked to be a man, a leader, and a professional in Detroit…but the lost of his good friend was more than he could bear.  He pouted and whined like a child.  His behavior was identical to Stevie Francis behavior when Orlando traded Cutino Mobley.  Francis whined and said he contemplated retirement.  Huh?

    After repeated playoff flame outs, Joe D said there were no more sacred cows.  He said he would trade ANYBODY.  He said he would look to put together a team that could win multiple ways (similar to that Spurs team we should have beat back in ’05). 

    So what happened?  A declining Ben Wallace overvalued himself and decided to sign with the Bulls.  Billups told Joe D he didn’t want to be a part of a rebuilding project and he didn’t want to mentor someone to take his spot.  So Joe traded him to Denver (which is where he wanted to go).  Joe then extended Rip to show him the franchise was committed to him.  AI came in with declining skills, increasing off court issues, and lacking championship pedigree.  He said he was willing to do whatever to be a part of a winner but he became such a headache that he was paid to stay home.  Rip played the good soldier leading the team in scoring from off the bench, then he took up the mantle of immaturity.  Rip feuded with the Curry and Kuester.  Rip gave up on the court racking up multiple techs (getting tossed) and fouling out multiple games.

    The ownership put a freeze on building a good team in favor of putting together a team with paper clips and duct tape.  We are now in a new era.  We have some pieces to play with.  We have an outstanding coach.  We have an owner who wants to win and wants to hold people accountable.

    There’s hope on the horizon.

    • Jan 7, 20121:48 pm
      by Max

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      @Derek—Your post is the best and most accurate I’ve ever read on these boards,  Thanks you a thousand times for proving there are sane people on here.

  • Jan 7, 20122:03 pm
    by Max

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    And RIP did something dumb again.  He went against doctors orders to play the Pistons, he hates them so much that he made an emotional decision, and aggravated his pulled groin and now he is out.

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