Comments on: Reports of Tayshaun Prince’s demise were greatly exaggerated http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Fri, 24 May 2013 03:41:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45122 Patrick Hayes Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:42:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45122 <p>"Playing Wilkins probably wins us a few more games"</p> <p>LOLOLOLOL? Have you seen Damian Wilkins play? I love these arguments that Wilkins getting like 10 minutes a game of situational duty is murdering Daye's development and will cost the team lottery balls by helping them eek out wins that otherwise would've been losses.</p> <p>Wilkins isn't good. His impact on the game is minimal, if any. In fact, he's just as likely to negatively impact the result of the game as positively impact it. He plays because he tries really hard, so he gets those 10 minutes. I'm all for playing young guys, but it's a joke at this point if Austin Daye can't beat him out for minutes. That's absolutely on Daye. Damien Wilkins is as much an obstacle to Austin Daye's development as you are. He's not going to help the Pistons win games. He's simply a veteran player trying to hang onto a roster spot in the NBA and get a paycheck. Austin Daye, a talented first round pick, should have no problem eclipsing him in the rotation, and if he can't, then I don't see a reason for Austin Daye to be on this or any team.</p> “Playing Wilkins probably wins us a few more games”

LOLOLOLOL? Have you seen Damian Wilkins play? I love these arguments that Wilkins getting like 10 minutes a game of situational duty is murdering Daye’s development and will cost the team lottery balls by helping them eek out wins that otherwise would’ve been losses.

Wilkins isn’t good. His impact on the game is minimal, if any. In fact, he’s just as likely to negatively impact the result of the game as positively impact it. He plays because he tries really hard, so he gets those 10 minutes. I’m all for playing young guys, but it’s a joke at this point if Austin Daye can’t beat him out for minutes. That’s absolutely on Daye. Damien Wilkins is as much an obstacle to Austin Daye’s development as you are. He’s not going to help the Pistons win games. He’s simply a veteran player trying to hang onto a roster spot in the NBA and get a paycheck. Austin Daye, a talented first round pick, should have no problem eclipsing him in the rotation, and if he can’t, then I don’t see a reason for Austin Daye to be on this or any team.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45118 tarsier Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:15:24 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45118 *compared to .616 when he <strong>does</strong> lead in FGAs *compared to .616 when he does lead in FGAs

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45117 Laser Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:14:36 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45117 Yes, because we stand to gain NOTHING this season apart from making progress towards next season and beyond. Playing Wilkins probably wins us a few more games, but Austin Daye was a first round pick that could be a valuable and reasonably-priced player for us if he had a chance to develop. We've got a decision coming up on whether or not to pick up his $3 million option next season. This isn't even about tanking the season, which would just be a nice side effect. But what do we have to gain by winning eleven games instead of nine? Yes, because we stand to gain NOTHING this season apart from making progress towards next season and beyond. Playing Wilkins probably wins us a few more games, but Austin Daye was a first round pick that could be a valuable and reasonably-priced player for us if he had a chance to develop. We’ve got a decision coming up on whether or not to pick up his $3 million option next season. This isn’t even about tanking the season, which would just be a nice side effect. But what do we have to gain by winning eleven games instead of nine?

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45116 tarsier Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:12:31 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45116 Prince was 27-15 in 02-03, 12-37 in 09-10, 29-49 in 10-11. So with him on the floor but not leading in FGAs, the Pistons are 298-211 or  .585 compared to .616 when he doesn't lead in FGAs. That 3% difference works against your argument, Mark, but is small enough to write off as the Pistons perform the same either way. Prince was 27-15 in 02-03, 12-37 in 09-10, 29-49 in 10-11.
So with him on the floor but not leading in FGAs, the Pistons are 298-211 or  .585 compared to .616 when he doesn’t lead in FGAs. That 3% difference works against your argument, Mark, but is small enough to write off as the Pistons perform the same either way.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45114 tarsier Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:51:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45114 54-28 54-28 64-18 53-29 59-23 39-43 27-55 30-52 3-12 Those are the Pistons records whilst Prince has been on the team. So when Prince hasn't led in scoring they have been 341-245. Granted this doesn't take into account the games Prince has missed. Also, it doesn't take into account the fact that the Pistons are now better off with Prince leading in FGAs then they were in their heyday on account of there being fewer good scorers on the team now than then. But ignoring those two disclaimers, Detroit in the Prince era is  .579 with Prince not leading in FGAs and .616 with Prince leading in FGAs. 54-28
54-28
64-18
53-29
59-23
39-43
27-55
30-52
3-12

Those are the Pistons records whilst Prince has been on the team. So when Prince hasn’t led in scoring they have been 341-245. Granted this doesn’t take into account the games Prince has missed. Also, it doesn’t take into account the fact that the Pistons are now better off with Prince leading in FGAs then they were in their heyday on account of there being fewer good scorers on the team now than then. But ignoring those two disclaimers, Detroit in the Prince era is  .579 with Prince not leading in FGAs and .616 with Prince leading in FGAs.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45113 Patrick Hayes Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:40:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45113 <p>LOL ... Dan's a little sensitive. There used to be a troll who commented here and dropped "stat boy" usually accompanied by some other insults, so I'm sure that's where Dan's mind went rather than the Reali-Kornheiser use of it.</p> LOL … Dan’s a little sensitive. There used to be a troll who commented here and dropped “stat boy” usually accompanied by some other insults, so I’m sure that’s where Dan’s mind went rather than the Reali-Kornheiser use of it.

]]> By: bg8 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45111 bg8 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:29:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45111 just wondering, what is the pistons record with prince scoring 20 or more pts during this new pistons era (since signing bg and cv) without counting that old era when they were still good. i think that would be a better stats. that old era, they had a bunch of scorer, this new era, they got bg, who's inconsistent  just wondering, what is the pistons record with prince scoring 20 or more pts during this new pistons era (since signing bg and cv) without counting that old era when they were still good. i think that would be a better stats. that old era, they had a bunch of scorer, this new era, they got bg, who’s inconsistent 

]]> By: Mark http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45104 Mark Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:57:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45104 As for the comment "stat-boy", that wasn't a diss, just a friendly reference to Tony Reali on PTI. I apologize if it was offensive. :) My whole point is that we are better as a team when Tayshaun is the NOT the main focal point of the offense. I know you said it was a lot of work computing that stat, and I appreciate it, but really the only way to prove/disprove my theory is to also compute our record when he is NOT leading the team in FGA's, and compare the two. Otherwise it only paints half the picture.  I think we have a better winning % in games when he is not leading the team in FGA's vs when he is the #1 option. Which, if true, proves my point that we are better with him playing a background role in the offense. Not only because he stalls the offense as a team as the #1 option, but the more energy he's putting into scoring, the less he's doing all the little things that he did when we were most successful and he was playing background. As for the comment “stat-boy”, that wasn’t a diss, just a friendly reference to Tony Reali on PTI. I apologize if it was offensive. :)

My whole point is that we are better as a team when Tayshaun is the NOT the main focal point of the offense. I know you said it was a lot of work computing that stat, and I appreciate it, but really the only way to prove/disprove my theory is to also compute our record when he is NOT leading the team in FGA’s, and compare the two. Otherwise it only paints half the picture. 

I think we have a better winning % in games when he is not leading the team in FGA’s vs when he is the #1 option. Which, if true, proves my point that we are better with him playing a background role in the offense. Not only because he stalls the offense as a team as the #1 option, but the more energy he’s putting into scoring, the less he’s doing all the little things that he did when we were most successful and he was playing background.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45100 Dan Feldman Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:10:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45100 <p>The Pistons are 69-43 when Prince leads them in field-goal attempts. And that wasn't an easy stat to compute! I legitimately want an apology and a promise that this was your last comment with name calling.</p> The Pistons are 69-43 when Prince leads them in field-goal attempts. And that wasn’t an easy stat to compute! I legitimately want an apology and a promise that this was your last comment with name calling.

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/reports-of-tayshaun-princes-demise-were-greatly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-45094 gmehl1977 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:41:42 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8629#comment-45094 Maybe coach Frank feels Wilkins has a better percentage chance of offering something than Daye does. Of late can you blame him?? Maybe coach Frank feels Wilkins has a better percentage chance of offering something than Daye does. Of late can you blame him??

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