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Kyle Singler didn’t give into Pistons pressure to play in NBA this season

In an interview with the Associated Press, Pistons draft pick Kyle Singler doesn’t sound like a man who is likely to be NBA-bound anytime soon:

“I knew they were upset, a little disappointed. The bottom line was that I was a little selfish, I wanted the best for myself, I wanted to be happy,” Singler told The Associated Press from Madrid’s training facilities on the outskirts of the Spanish capital.

“It was difficult but, at the end of the day, if I never play in the NBA, would I be disappointed? Sure, but I’m happy I made the decision I made.”

The 23-year-old from Oregon said the opportunity to play abroad and experience a foreign culture was too good to pass up.

“The opportunity to play a lot more was here, but the bottom line was I was happy and felt no pressure to leave and go back to the NBA,” said Singler.

It would certainly be nice for the Pistons to have another young player in the fold who could hopefully become a rotation player down the road for them, but if Singler is happy overseas and wants to stay their, I’m happy for him. There are some fantastic leagues in other countries where guys can make a nice living and see some cool places. It’s actually pretty refreshing to see an American player realize that the NBA is not the be-all end-all when it comes to pro basketball, even if the league does have by far the most talented players anywhere. I can’t imagine cheering for someone with that haircut on the Pistons anyway.

40 Comments

  • Jan 27, 20122:06 pm
    by Laser

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    Eh, sounds like a mix of honesty and bullshit to me. He was drafted by an organization that had nothing to offer him besides simply being in the NBA. The Pistons have been a rudderless mess in a state of total chaotic confusion, without any reasonable hope for a rebound any time soon, and seemingly without any self-awareness about the situation they’re in (which didn’t really come in any form at all until two weeks ago when Dumars finally fucking admitted they had to rebuild, three years after everybody else knew it). They’re dead last in the league in player development, and nobody with a brain in his head would suspect Singler was going to get a good shot at significant minutes, given the team’s glut of perimeter players and their recent track record at the small forward position. Add that to the fact that Spain probably offered a lot more than the Pistons were allowed to pay him, plus his NBA salary would be prorated.
     
    So: More money, a winning environment, an infinitely better opportunity for minutes and a significant role… Yeah, I’d say I get it. No hard feelings, Kyle. If any other team in the league drafted you, they might have actually given you something to think about.

    • Jan 27, 20122:24 pm
      by labatts

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      I don’t know – the Pistons could have easily given him playing time.  He is a 4, right?  Even with a healthy Villanueva, he would get the playing time.

    • Jan 27, 20122:31 pm
      by tarsier

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      Nothing to offer him? Laser, you are absurd. Most of the best players drafted go to teams that have nothing to offer them in terms of a good team. But if I were a rookie, I would hope to be on a bad team just so I could get PT. Worry about being on a great team with championship aspirations down the road.

      • Jan 27, 20122:41 pm
        by frankie d

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        again, the pistons horrid record on giving young players legitimate chances to play is something that everyone knows about.  it is part of their reputation.  
        no one – from national journalists, to players, to agents – has quite understood what joe d has been doing that last few years.
        was he retooling?
        trying to squeeze into the playoffs?
        expecting to return to the conference finals?
        for the first time, ever, he finally said he was rebuilding, just a couple of weeks ago.
        how does any of that jibe with his actions the last 3 years, where he routinely favored retread vets at the expense of young players?
        it’s not that big of a deal – i think singler will be a solid rotation guy, maybe a 7th or 8th guy, at best – but just one of the more obvious examples of how joe’s mismanagement comes back to bite him in the butt.
        if you read between the lines, what singler is saying is pretty obvious.

        • Jan 28, 20123:14 pm
          by tarsier

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          No, the Pistons aren’t great at player development. But they’ve done a good job with Monroe, Stuckey, and Jerebko thus far.

        • Jan 28, 20123:28 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          The Pistons aren’t great at player development frankie, but let’s pump the breaks a little there.

          As tarsier points out, Monroe, Stuckey, Jerebko and I would even add Maxiell, who was a useful rotation player on contending teams for a few years before his waistline started expanding, are all players who the organization has done a solid job developing into NBA players. It looks like they’re doing a good job with Knight to this point as well.

          The Pistons have lost some young players who it would’ve been nice to keep around. But look around the league. There are a lot of teams that are horrid at developing young players. Washington immediately comes to mind. Wall is worse this year than last. McGee is a space cadet. Blatche, Nick Young, Jordan Crawford, Seraphin, etc. are all guys who have played big minutes and haven’t gotten much better as a result. They’ve just had bad habits reinforced. You can say that about Sac too. Evans has gotten worse since his rookie year, Cousins still has the same issues he had last year, Jason Thompson has fallen off the planet after a strong rookie season, they didn’t do anything with Donte Greene, who showed some promise, etc. You can make a case that Milwaukee hasn’t done a good job with Jennings. OKC didn’t do anything with Mullens/DJ White, who at the very least look like serviceable bench guys right now, and Cole Aldrich is still languishing on the end of their bench. Houston has had its share of young players get worse — Brooks, Terrence Williams, Jordan Hill all got worse. Patrick Patterson has taken a nosedive this year.

          I have no issue with saying the Pistons have not done a good job overall with this. But let’s have some common sense and compare to what goes on league-wide. Very few teams nail player development consistently well. Detroit hasn’t been great in this respect, but they’ve done OK considering that their recent draft picks haven’t been top of the lottery guys and, until recently, weren’t even lottery guys.

          To suggest that Singler didn’t want to come to Detroit because they have some sort of rep for being horrid developers of youth is ridiculous. In fact, you could make the case that Singler, known for diving all over the floor and playing hard, is precisely the kind of young player who would get minutes here. That’s how Jerebko and Maxiell broke into the lineup at young ages, for example.

  • Jan 27, 20122:16 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Wah Wah Wah

    Yeah, shame on them for drafting him higher than he should’ve been drafted and essentially guaranteeing him he’d make the team as a second round pick. Those jerks!

  • Jan 27, 20122:33 pm
    by frankie d

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    don’t blame singler at all.
    i’m sure he’s well aware of what has gone on with joe d’s retread small forward vet of the year program and decided that his best interests lay elsewhere.
    again, it’s hard to blame singlier and, in fact, one has to have a bit more respect for his intelligence.
    he’s getting PT, getting paid, and probably has access to lots of fine spanish women, some of the most beautiful around. what’s not to like?!?
    he’d be a fool to turn that down for the pistons’ circus at the palace.
    i just hope that the pistons someday get some kind of return on investing a high second round pick in him.  either sign him and bring him onto the roster or trade him for something…anything…
    it does look like he will have some value for some team in the future.

    • Jan 27, 20122:58 pm
      by sebastian

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      frankie I have been saying, since Dec. 9, that Joe should trade the rights to Kyle Singler, along with Charlie V. to the Houston Rockets for Hasheem Thabeet and Terrance Williams.

      I actually believe that McHale and Morey would be interested in Singler. Heck they already have one of OUR other Second Round picks in the person of Chase Budinger.

      • Jan 28, 20123:29 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        First, Detroit didn’t have any interest in Budinger. They already had the agreement to trade picks in place just not finalized. Houston told them to pick Budinger.

        Second, as much as I love the thought of Kevin McHale trying to figure out what the hell Charlie V is, there’s no way he’d want him in Houston.

  • Jan 27, 20123:07 pm
    by Ignarus

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    Lockout Rookie Season + Low Rookie Salary + Bad Pistons Situation = the lower your draft pick, the better overseas offers can look.

    This is a good thing. If he can get a better offer than a lockout prorated NBA rookie deal, no cause not to take it. Might even make NBA rethink their rookie deal structures if it happens enough.

    Plus if he does come to the NBA, the Pistons get a more seasoned player for rookie scale. They’re bad enough that they might as well get all the good draft picks the can get before that quality influx puts them out of the lottery.

  • Jan 27, 20123:12 pm
    by Ignarus

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    Gotta say it, I feel bad for a lot of the rookies being thrown to the wolves in this season. Negligible training camp, crazy compacted schedule with no time to practice — it’s tailored to cement rookie habits with minimal instruction. giving them little competitive advantage over the next crop of rookies who get to come in with a summer’s worth of team contact, better coaching, and more time to adjust between games.

    The only advantage is that rookies might end up getting more rotation minutes due to rotation player injuries.

    Beats the heck out of the NCAA, but still… 

  • Jan 27, 20124:42 pm
    by Max

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    You guys are crazy if you think Singler looks at the Pistons through the warped crooked lenses you do.   The Pistons do no have the worst record at developing young talent–the notion is patently false and their recent decade of excellence has a lot to do with why they haven’t invested more in young talent.
    Austin Daye’s last game was a good case in point–he saw extended minutes because he played well.  Plain and simple and if he plays well, he’ll get minutes, if he doesn’t, he won’t.
    Rodney Stuckey however is a great example of the Pistons developing young talent and there are many teams who cannot say they have developed a 25 year old player like him in the last 5 years.   Jonas Jerebko is another example of a player who is being well developed since he was drafted.
    Further, several young former Pistons are doing well throughout the league and while you may look at that as an example of mismanagement, I see it as further evidence that the Pistons actually do a very good job of developing young talent.  When Afflalo joined Denver, he was ready and had shown he could play well in Detroit.  Amir Johnson got seasoned in Detroit and has become a contributor for the Raptors.   It isn’t as if these players didn’t get minutes in Detroit.
    Also, tt is not like the Pistons have had any high draft picks since Darko who have not been successfully developed and Monroe and Knight, their first lottery picks since Darko, have not been repressed but promoted in their development.
    Finally, I do have hard feelings towards Singler, hope he gets traded and don’t want to ever see him in a Pistons uniform because he chose not to play with them this season.   I’m sure they wouldn’t have drafted him if he had told them about his possible intentions and he didn’t care about screwing them.

    • Jan 27, 20124:55 pm
      by frankie d

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      pure freaking fiction and delusions.
      daye played big minutes because he played well?
      how about the fact that tayshaun missed the game because of personal reasons and daye knew he would play big minutes as a result
      the fact is that he has not played in almost a third of the team’s games, and a couple of good games have been followed with dnp-coach’s decision.
      not to mention certain vets stinking it up and still getting regular PT.
      knowing that you are going to play might have a very positive impact on a less than confident player’s mndset.
      using amir and afflalo as examples of piston player development is laughable.  two guys who were jettisoned for peanuts in order to bring in retread vets?
      are you joking?

  • Jan 27, 20124:44 pm
    by Max

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    Also, while I was relieved rather than otherwise that Prince was resigned, it cannot be assumed that Singler’s choice was not a decisive factor in the decision.

  • Jan 27, 20124:52 pm
    by dvs

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    So is he planning on staying in Spain then???
    With Wilkins on a one year deal and the possibility of CV being amnestied, there is a decent chance he’d get minutes in Detroit.
    It’s good for him if he’s found a spot where he is enjoying himself, but if he doesn’t want to play for Detroit trade his rights for something.
     

  • Jan 27, 20125:01 pm
    by Max

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    They got minutes in Detoit Frankie D and your point has nothing to do with whether young players stick in Detroit but about whether there is any opportunity for minutes to develop. There are opportunities for minutes and young players who play well receive them.
    Jason Maxiell for instance might not be young now but he was for most of the last 5 years and the Pistons played him decent minutes too.
    Finally, Daye has received minutes in a variety of contexts and only played significantly well against Miami.  While you may have a point about Prince and knowing he would play, you may not have a point as the point in question is purely speculative and he has had good games in his career when he was not assured of minutes.  Further, I would guess that if Daye had played horribly in the first half, that he wouldn’t have played in the second half so I hold firm that he got minutes because he was actually productive.

  • Jan 27, 20125:36 pm
    by gordbrown

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    Singler committed to stay in Spain before the lock out was settled. I would think that was the major factor motivating his decision. It’s a good decision for him and its actually to the Pistons advantage insofar as they retain his rights. He will be a better player were he to come back next year and he will be coming into a better situation. Win-win as much as I can see.

    • Jan 28, 20123:32 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “Singler committed to stay in Spain before the lock out was settled.”

      No he didn’t. His first contract in Spain had the same opt out for when the lockout was settled that most NBA players go. Singler simply signed another contract with a new club.

      In fact, he replaced Rudy Fernandez on Real Madrid because Fernandez had an opt out and left when the lockout ended. Singler could’ve too, he just decided to take a bigger money deal than he could’ve got here.

  • Jan 27, 20127:12 pm
    by domnick

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    well if he’s not coming back to the NBA then… he’s a bad pick… we wasted a 23rd first round pick for a guy – TRAITOR to your organization
     
    i hate to see guys like that…. no sense of humble attitude and rather thinking about themselves…

    • Jan 28, 20123:34 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Haha. What an insane comment.

      First of all, he wasn’t a first round pick.

      Second of all, are teams traitors to their players when they trade them to places they don’t want to go? Singler made a good financial and professional decision for himself. It doesn’t mean he never wants to play for the Pistons. It just means he was comfortable in Spain and making a good living, so he wanted to stay. No big deal. He’ll eventually come to the NBA, and when he does, the Pistons have his rights and will either sign him if they want him or trade them somewhere else.

      • Jan 28, 20124:22 pm
        by Max

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        Teams are traitors to their players in a sense when they trade them and I don’t blame players for having hard feelings afterwards.  When McDyess refused to join Denver following the Billups trade, I respected the anger he still felt towards them for trading him years before.   It’s a two way street though and I think the organization has a right to feel spurned and betrayed by Singler whether they choose to or not.

  • Jan 27, 20128:24 pm
    by Andrew

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    A player doesn’t join an organization until they sign a contract.  They can’t pick where they get drafted, and owe nothing to the team that drafts them until there is a contract in place.  He’s not a traitor.  He is self-interested.  So is every NBA team.  Good for him.  Hopefully he’ll be here next year.

  • Jan 27, 201210:18 pm
    by damian

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    here is the reason wilkens is around, therefore, fuck him.

  • Jan 27, 201210:28 pm
    by Max

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    He is a traitor.    He spoke to the Pistons prior to draft and he could have told them not to pick him if he didn’t want to come here.  He sold himself as an NBA prospect and gave no hint of any intentions to play in Europe.  He wasn’t a first round pick btw as someone said but an early second rounder, which can be more lucrative than being a late first rounder if you actually show something as a rookie.   The Pistons drafted him with their early second round pick when no one with a first rounder pick thought he was worthy of drafting and he repaid the Pistons by admitting he didn’t care whether he’d upset their plans or not.
    I will always hate Dwayne Wade for spurning the Pistons, refusing to work out for them and telling them that he hates the Pistons, but in a way I respect him for doing so and would just never want to see him in a Pistons uniform.  I’ll hate him till one of us is dead and while Singler didn’t say he hates the Pistons, he definitely screwed them over and showed a total disregard for them.

    • Jan 27, 201210:51 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      You realize the NBA locked out its players between the draft and when Singler signed in Spain?

    • Jan 28, 20122:26 pm
      by D_S_V

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      By saying that Singler “screwed over” the Pistons, are you implying that had he been here he was going to bring some instant tangible value to the team? And that by staying in Spain, Singler withheld his talents and further delayed the rebuilding of this franchise? So you actually “hate” Singler now?

      Correct me if I’m wrong but, A) Singler is a second round pick, and second round picks are terribly unlikely to bring value to a team. If Singler becomes a rotational 7th man in the league someday, this is an excellent outcome. B) Teams allow draft picks to develop overseas all the time, and this has actually worked out in many cases. Just because this wasn’t Detroit’s choice, I still believe this is a favorable outcome for both parties. Especially considering… C) We already have plenty of wing players that we’ve spent countless characters on these message boards arguing for their playing time in order to develop (i.e. FrankieD/AustinDaye). Singler in a Pistons uni this year only furthers this problem.

      • Jan 28, 20122:27 pm
        by D_S_V

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        I’d only agree that Singler screwed us over if his decision had any relation to Joe D bringing back Tayshaun for too long/too much money.

        • Jan 28, 20123:41 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Singler signed his second contract in Spain in late November, right as the lockout ended and before NBA free agency had started, so Prince wasn’t under contract yet.

    • Jan 28, 20123:36 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “He is a traitor.”

      Wow. Complete insanity. It’s a business decision. He never once said he didn’t want to play for the Pistons or play in the NBA. He’s a young single dude probably having an awesome time and making a great living in a cool country. Who wouldn’t take advantage of that experience if they could, then in a year go back to the NBA?

      • Jan 29, 20125:34 pm
        by Max

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        LeBum made a business decision too; would you actually argue he is not a traitor to the Cavs?

  • Jan 27, 201211:29 pm
    by Max

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    Of course I do, but why is Singler one of a very small pct of players who played overseas with no intention of returning the second the lockout was over?

    • Jan 28, 20123:38 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      That’s incorrect. He signed a contract in Spain that ended when the lockout ended. He had the opportunity to come back, but another team in Spain offered him a new contract worth more than he would’ve made as a second round pick in the NBA this season, so he took that. When he first signed in Spain, he had every intention of returning to the NBA. He just happened to get a more lucrative offer on a second contract, so he took it.

      • Jan 28, 20124:25 pm
        by Max

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        That’s even worse and the main thing to me is that he admitted he doesn’t care that he went against the Pistons wishes and didn’t have their blessing.

      • Jan 28, 20124:28 pm
        by Max

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        And the issue of Spain offering a more lucrative contract indicates that Singler doesn’t have confidence in himself to make it in the NBA since an early 2nd round pick is an excellent position to earn a lucrative contract very quickly if he shows he’s a player.  Look at Wesley Matthews for instance or Jonas Jerebko here on the Pistons.

  • Jan 28, 20123:35 pm
    by Max

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    @D_S_V………………….I actually kind of thought that Singler was going to be the kind of rookie who would have been pretty close to as good as he was ever going to be in the NBA right away given his four year college career at Duke.
    Therefore, I see no benefit in his seasoning himself overseas and think all he has done is delay the Pistons ability to see how he looks in the NBA so they could determine if he has a share in their future.
    I’m quire sure Wilkins wouldn’t be here is Singler had played and Wilkins is getting minutes that could have been fairly split up amongst Singler, Daye and JJ and no one would be complaining about a veteran impeding a prospect’s development.
    His decision might also have forced Dumars hand regarding Prince, which makes me happy for Prince, but unhappy for Dumars since I don’t believe he deserved to have his plans altered in any way by the decision of a player he showed faith in by drafting him early in the second round.
    Also, as to the relative value of picks, I look at an early second round pick as possibly more valuable than a late first round pick because it doesn’t require the same commitment and you could land the same player in certain cases.
    So yes, as of now Singler is on my very short list of Pistons or former Pistons I actually hate although I probably shouldn’t even consider him a Piston and hope he never becomes one.

    • Jan 28, 20123:40 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      You really think that Dumars said, “Oh wow, this second round pick who we were counting on even though we don’t know if he’s even good isn’t going to be here, so I better panic sign a guy for $30 million over the next four years!” I sincerely hope Dumars put a little more thought into the Prince contract than that.

  • Jan 28, 20124:33 pm
    by Max

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    I used the word “might” and don’t think it’s going too far since Dumars would have hedged his bets at SF if he had Jerebko, Daye and Singler and given that Jerebko missed all of last year, going into the season with just a slightly Daye and returning from injury Jerebko might have seemed just too risky.     I was also of the opinion that it wouldn’t have been a big surprise if Singler had beaten them both out this year.   Now I just hate Singler and he would have a lot of making up to do to get me back in his corner,

  • Jan 29, 20126:49 pm
    by Max

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    Also, I can’t be sure but I think the Clippers would have preferred to sign Prince instead of Butler and since he got about 3 years and 24, Dumars could not really have offered Prince less then he did if he wanted to retain him.

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