Comments on: Joe Dumars: No short-term trades

By: Max

Max — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:20:43 +0000

And so much of this over Austin Daye? Austin Daye! Rodney White and Darko were much higher picks and when they couldn’t deliver, Dumars flipped them. The Pistons shouldn’t have played those players more minutes than they could earn and didn’t. The present is a lot different because the team is geared more towards the future but they are giving plenty of minutes to young players already.
BTW: Evan Turner didn’t get consistent minutes last year and was forced to earn his minutes as the #2 pick. Now he is getting steady minutes because he improved and earned them, but he is still being forced to earning his place in the pecking order and the starting role even though everyone knows Meeks can’t beat him out forever and is probably not as important to the team’s future. This all seems perfectly correct to me.
BTWBTW: The 76′s aren’t bad but their schedule has been as easy so far as the Pistons schedule has been rough. The 76s first 7 games in Feb will tell us a lot about them as all of the games are against elite to playoff caliber teams.

By: Max

Max — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:13:25 +0000

Dumars is gonna be the closest thing the Pistons ever get to a Red Auerbach or Jerry West so just deal with a couple of down years and celebrate the man.

By: Max

Max — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:09:26 +0000

Dude, you are nuts. Joe Dumars is in the common thread in all of the success the franchise has ever enjoyed for about three decades and that takes in a huge proportion of the best moments the team has had overall.
The team has missed the playoffs twice in a row now so other GMs are very lucky to have you as a fan because I don’t know which GMs you wouldn’t have attacked sooner than Dumars but it is a very short list if anyone merits inclusion at all.
When all is said and done, Dumars will be named to the HOF again as an executive; just you wait and see you shortsighted stooge.

By: Max

Max — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:38:57 +0000

There is no contradiction if he intends to keep Prince and you can’t quit adding contracts. You have to have at least so many players earning at least so much money. There was no player the Pistons could have landed this summer who I personally wanted them to sign so I’m fine with Dumars showing patience and I believe that over 90% of being a good GM is showing patience. You guys are a bunch of reactionaries who would probably turn over every player on the team every year.

By: Max

Max — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:35:12 +0000

I’ve worked for a huge market research firm and I’m sure teams monitor forums but I’m not so sure whether the stuff we say has any better of a chance to getting to Joe’s eyes than the average small town article written about Obama has of getting to his.
Further, whether a said team monitors message boards, it is quite debatable if they consider positive or negative blogger type opinions to be relevant to their own projects as they certainly would do poorly to heed the wisdom of the mob.

By: apa8ren9

apa8ren9 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:09:15 +0000

Dude, you finally took your medication and calmed down. Now your talking like someone who can start to think of some solutions. I hope no one hacked your account, LOL I hope this continues.

By: Laser

Laser — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:58:36 +0000

Make this happen for me and the thousand dollars are yours. I swear.

By: Laser

Laser — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:57:36 +0000

It sounds like you’re implying that bringing back those guys was a mistake in and of itself. I think letting Stuckey WALK would have been an objectively bad decision, and he’s only making about twice what he would have made on his qualifying offer (which I believe would have been a better choice). To a lesser extent, I think letting Tayshaun just walk would have been a mistake (though a bigger mistake would be to keep him through the end of his contract).

I don’t have the exact figures, but the bottom line is that by giving Stuckey his extension (which, face it, was happening, so I’m not concerned with the fact that it happened after the Prince signing) basically all of our cap room was swallowed up. So bringing back Tayshaun isn’t relevant to your point. And at that point, since we don’t have any cap room anyways or significant money coming off the books, there wasn’t all that much upside to letting Prince go (keeping in mind that we have time and flexibility to do something with that contract).

Now, if we had just signed Stuckey to the qualifying offer and let Tay go, we might have had a few million to play with… HOWEVER: It’s not easy to build payroll. It takes time. Once you’re under the cap, it takes time to get back over it. Extending Tayshaun allowed us to expand our payroll, which has its advantages. Getting back under the cap sounds tempting if you can land a sweet deal and pick up a good player, but if not you’ve got to build your payroll back up the slow way. And it’s best to be just under the tax line, so you can maximize your resources.

By: Laser

Laser — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:38:08 +0000

Wilkins is on a one year deal, and the team has an option whether or not they want to pick up a $3 million option on Austin Daye. so “releasing” those guys is not the issue. If the team brings either of those guys back and subsequently releases them, it will be a mistake.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:07:44 +0000

Agreed, I’m a huge Pistons fan and I could see making such a comment (orally) after Dumars does something particularly boneheaded like the Prince extension–which, oddly enough, I believe Laser was in favor of. But Laser is repeatedly making these violent comments in writing. C’mon Laser, you are seeming a bit off the rocker. No amount of bad roster moves merits assault.