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	<title>Comments on: In hard-fought loss to Hawks, Pistons get it all &#8211; individual progress &amp; lottery odds</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;What would clearing Maxiell’s mere 5 million do for the Pistons?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not much now. I said it wouldn&#039;t do much. But Dumars signed Villanueva and Gordon because he thinks they&#039;re good. Amnestying either of them is admitting failure. If they went into this season and Gordon and Villanueva played a little better than they have the past two years and Maxiell continued to decline, then yeah, it&#039;s not a stretch to see them using the amnesty on him. It wouldn&#039;t be the right move, but it would be a more face-saving move for Dumars. Eating Gordon&#039;s or Villanueva&#039;s contracts will be huge financial hits for the owner. Eating Maxiell&#039;s is less so, and presumably an easier sell if Dumars wants to use the amnesty.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, at the time the amnesty discussions were going on, they handn&#039;t locked Prince and Stuckey into long-term deals yet. So, if they would&#039;ve decided not to sign those guys, it&#039;s possibly getting Maxiell&#039;s money off the cap would&#039;ve given them room to add something useful in free agency. Obviously, after re-signing those guys, they aren&#039;t in the same financial situation now, so it would make less sense.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Dumars runs one of the tightest ships in the league regarding giving out  information making the Pistons only comparable to probably the Utah  Jazz.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Uh ... did you pay attention to this team last season? They had more leaks than John McCain&#039;s presidential campaign. Everyone was talking to the press anonymously.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;When Dumars or the Jazz make major moves, they usually just happen  without the weeks and months of protracted trade discussions aired in  the national media that a lot of teams allow to happen.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dumars hasn&#039;t made a major move in over three years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;I doubt very much whether a bunch of national media outlets naming  Maxiell as a possible amnesty candidate has any bearing or reflection on  the Pistons’ internal discussions.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All three local beat writers mentioned Maxiell as a candidate. They wouldn&#039;t do that if they didn&#039;t have someone within the organization telling them it was a possibility, even a remote one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What would clearing Maxiell’s mere 5 million do for the Pistons?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not much now. I said it wouldn&#8217;t do much. But Dumars signed Villanueva and Gordon because he thinks they&#8217;re good. Amnestying either of them is admitting failure. If they went into this season and Gordon and Villanueva played a little better than they have the past two years and Maxiell continued to decline, then yeah, it&#8217;s not a stretch to see them using the amnesty on him. It wouldn&#8217;t be the right move, but it would be a more face-saving move for Dumars. Eating Gordon&#8217;s or Villanueva&#8217;s contracts will be huge financial hits for the owner. Eating Maxiell&#8217;s is less so, and presumably an easier sell if Dumars wants to use the amnesty.</p>
<p>Also, at the time the amnesty discussions were going on, they handn&#8217;t locked Prince and Stuckey into long-term deals yet. So, if they would&#8217;ve decided not to sign those guys, it&#8217;s possibly getting Maxiell&#8217;s money off the cap would&#8217;ve given them room to add something useful in free agency. Obviously, after re-signing those guys, they aren&#8217;t in the same financial situation now, so it would make less sense.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dumars runs one of the tightest ships in the league regarding giving out  information making the Pistons only comparable to probably the Utah  Jazz.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh &#8230; did you pay attention to this team last season? They had more leaks than John McCain&#8217;s presidential campaign. Everyone was talking to the press anonymously.</p>
<p>&#8220;When Dumars or the Jazz make major moves, they usually just happen  without the weeks and months of protracted trade discussions aired in  the national media that a lot of teams allow to happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dumars hasn&#8217;t made a major move in over three years.</p>
<p>&#8220;I doubt very much whether a bunch of national media outlets naming  Maxiell as a possible amnesty candidate has any bearing or reflection on  the Pistons’ internal discussions.&#8221;</p>
<p>All three local beat writers mentioned Maxiell as a candidate. They wouldn&#8217;t do that if they didn&#8217;t have someone within the organization telling them it was a possibility, even a remote one.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick  BTW:  The national media&#039;s coverage of the Pistons is and always has been a joke.  Half the time, I can tell the writer doesn&#039;t even watch them play and when you are talking off the court rumors; Dumars runs one of the tightest ships in the league regarding giving out information making the Pistons only comparable to probably the Utah Jazz.   When Dumars or the Jazz make major moves, they usually just happen without the weeks and months of protracted trade discussions aired in the national media that a lot of teams allow to happen.  I doubt very much whether a bunch of national media outlets naming Maxiell as a possible amnesty candidate has any bearing or reflection on the Pistons&#039; internal discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick  BTW:  The national media&#8217;s coverage of the Pistons is and always has been a joke.  Half the time, I can tell the writer doesn&#8217;t even watch them play and when you are talking off the court rumors; Dumars runs one of the tightest ships in the league regarding giving out information making the Pistons only comparable to probably the Utah Jazz.   When Dumars or the Jazz make major moves, they usually just happen without the weeks and months of protracted trade discussions aired in the national media that a lot of teams allow to happen.  I doubt very much whether a bunch of national media outlets naming Maxiell as a possible amnesty candidate has any bearing or reflection on the Pistons&#8217; internal discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media outlets named all kinds of players who weren&#039;t really considered and in general assumed most teams would use the clause when in fact most teams did not.  What would clearing Maxiell&#039;s mere 5 million do for the Pistons?  The only real reason for any team to use the amnesty clause, other than a player doing something terrible off the court, is if they know they will be able to use the money created by cutting the player.   Even if cutting Maxiell would get the Pistons fully  5 million under the cap, why would that be better than keeping him and signing someone to the midlevel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media outlets named all kinds of players who weren&#8217;t really considered and in general assumed most teams would use the clause when in fact most teams did not.  What would clearing Maxiell&#8217;s mere 5 million do for the Pistons?  The only real reason for any team to use the amnesty clause, other than a player doing something terrible off the court, is if they know they will be able to use the money created by cutting the player.   Even if cutting Maxiell would get the Pistons fully  5 million under the cap, why would that be better than keeping him and signing someone to the midlevel?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Laser and @Max:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That comment is seriously ridiculous. If you paid attention before the season, virtually every media outlet who covers the league and the team said that they&#039;d consider amestying Maxiell. Does it make sense to do it over some of their other much worse contracts? Of course not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the Pistons held their amnesty to basically evaluate this season who was worse between Gordon, Villanueva and Maxiell. Maxiell was very much under their consideration, agree or disagree.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Laser, if you can&#039;t grow up and start having conversations like a semi-functioning, non-insane human being, you&#039;re going to have to find another place to comment. Enough is enough.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laser and @Max:</p>
<p>That comment is seriously ridiculous. If you paid attention before the season, virtually every media outlet who covers the league and the team said that they&#8217;d consider amestying Maxiell. Does it make sense to do it over some of their other much worse contracts? Of course not.</p>
<p>But the Pistons held their amnesty to basically evaluate this season who was worse between Gordon, Villanueva and Maxiell. Maxiell was very much under their consideration, agree or disagree.</p>
<p>And Laser, if you can&#8217;t grow up and start having conversations like a semi-functioning, non-insane human being, you&#8217;re going to have to find another place to comment. Enough is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You offered JJ&#039;s numbers as if that was a normal 3 pointer but it was an extremely difficult and well defended shot and Stuckey doesn&#039;t deserve an iota of blame that he hit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You offered JJ&#8217;s numbers as if that was a normal 3 pointer but it was an extremely difficult and well defended shot and Stuckey doesn&#8217;t deserve an iota of blame that he hit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think JJ could hit that shot with great consistency if he was practicing with an assistant coach defending him; and the Pistons were guaranteed to get the ball back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think JJ could hit that shot with great consistency if he was practicing with an assistant coach defending him; and the Pistons were guaranteed to get the ball back.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to look at Maxiell&#039;s trade value as a throw-in that most teams would like if they liked the other piece they were getting more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to look at Maxiell&#8217;s trade value as a throw-in that most teams would like if they liked the other piece they were getting more.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% agree with Laser on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agree with Laser on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; and can 100% be traded for something by next season&quot;
you love implying that a team can always get something of vlaue back for an expiring deal. that is absurd. expiring deals are valuable because they get money off your books, but if you want to get something of value back, you have to take a bad contract for one most of the time. this is either in the form of a bad deal on a useless player attached to a pick or young prospect or a bad deal on a decent player--only useful if you are a contender.

granted, amnestying max makes no sense because he will soon be off the books. but expiring deals, while useful pieces in some trades, are not nearly all you have them cracked up to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220; and can 100% be traded for something by next season&#8221;<br />
you love implying that a team can always get something of vlaue back for an expiring deal. that is absurd. expiring deals are valuable because they get money off your books, but if you want to get something of value back, you have to take a bad contract for one most of the time. this is either in the form of a bad deal on a useless player attached to a pick or young prospect or a bad deal on a decent player&#8211;only useful if you are a contender.</p>
<p>granted, amnestying max makes no sense because he will soon be off the books. but expiring deals, while useful pieces in some trades, are not nearly all you have them cracked up to be.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there are also other scenarios besides the getting off a shot during the foul that make fouling not necessarily a good idea. I tried to point those out in my previous comment. My point isn&#039;t that the Pistons shouldn&#039;t have fouled in that situation--just that it&#039;s not a no-brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there are also other scenarios besides the getting off a shot during the foul that make fouling not necessarily a good idea. I tried to point those out in my previous comment. My point isn&#8217;t that the Pistons shouldn&#8217;t have fouled in that situation&#8211;just that it&#8217;s not a no-brainer.</p>
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