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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll let Dan respond for himself, but I just wanted you to understand that this diatribe exposed you for the mindless ignorant hack that you are down here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You realize that Wallace and Atkins signed here originally when both were entering their primes and both had multiple options, right? You realize that that was what Dan was referencing, right? Further, they signed in Detroit despite the fact that the Pistons were losing their superstar player, Grant Hill, that same offseason.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You also realize that Billups could&#039;ve re-signed in Minnesota and been a starting PG on a team with Kevin Garnett, right? Maybe Detroit gave him a bit more money, but the T-wolves wanted Billups back. The Pistons were coming off a playoff appearance, but it&#039;s not like they were a more attractive team at the time than Minnesota.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dan responded to a ludicrous point that you made saying no FAs will ever want to come to Detroit. In fact, some pretty good FAs have signed here. Maybe not the max guy superstar types, but if you have money and a role that players want, you will be able to sign good players no matter where you are and no matter how bad your team has been. Guys want to be paid and they want to play a lot, first and foremost, when they look for new teams in free agency.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously, you are so far out of line there is no line. I would ban you for a comment like that if it were my decision. You&#039;re given a ridiculous amount of leeway to spew garbage down here. In my opinion, you don&#039;t deserve it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll let Dan respond for himself, but I just wanted you to understand that this diatribe exposed you for the mindless ignorant hack that you are down here.</p>
<p>You realize that Wallace and Atkins signed here originally when both were entering their primes and both had multiple options, right? You realize that that was what Dan was referencing, right? Further, they signed in Detroit despite the fact that the Pistons were losing their superstar player, Grant Hill, that same offseason.</p>
<p>You also realize that Billups could&#8217;ve re-signed in Minnesota and been a starting PG on a team with Kevin Garnett, right? Maybe Detroit gave him a bit more money, but the T-wolves wanted Billups back. The Pistons were coming off a playoff appearance, but it&#8217;s not like they were a more attractive team at the time than Minnesota.</p>
<p>Dan responded to a ludicrous point that you made saying no FAs will ever want to come to Detroit. In fact, some pretty good FAs have signed here. Maybe not the max guy superstar types, but if you have money and a role that players want, you will be able to sign good players no matter where you are and no matter how bad your team has been. Guys want to be paid and they want to play a lot, first and foremost, when they look for new teams in free agency.</p>
<p>Seriously, you are so far out of line there is no line. I would ban you for a comment like that if it were my decision. You&#8217;re given a ridiculous amount of leeway to spew garbage down here. In my opinion, you don&#8217;t deserve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feldman, this is why you drive me fucking nuts sometimes. What you just said is as mindless and hollow and free of critical thinking skills as ANY joker who comes around here and spouts delusional garbage that&#039;s not based in reality.

Ben Wallace came here because he wanted to retire on the team where he made a name for himself, had his best years, and probably felt the need to make amends. He is a truly unique case. FUCKING OBVIOUSLY.

Antonio McDyess came here THE YEAR AFTER WE WON A GODDAMN CHAMPIONSHIP. He was coming off knee surgery and had limited options anyways, but this team was the complete and total opposite environment of the team we have today. The Pistons won&#039;t be that good again in any of our lifetimes. I&#039;m not talking about the fucking city, Feldman. The city does us no favors, but I&#039;m talking about the overall package, and the thought that you would sit at a keyboard and type Antonio McDyess and Ben Wallace as relevant examples of the kind of talent we could lure here with reasonable money is FUCKING LUDICROUS.

Chucky Atkins was a vet in the twilight of his career, was going to make the veterans&#039; minimum regardless of where he played, and would likely have joined any team that had a . So great. Yes. BIG FUCKING DEAL that we can sign thirtysomethings who represent insurance policies. That differentiates us from NOBODY and gets us nowhere.

As for Chauncey: First off, you&#039;re looking at a different team. This was back when the Dumars name might have had some luster or credibility. He just came here and was retooling someone else&#039;s roster. He hadn&#039;t been completely exposed as a fraud and the world hadn&#039;t watched his team fall from grace based entirely on misevaluation and mismanagement of talent. With no accountability whatsoever. Plus, the team was merely mediocre instead of being GOD-FUCKING-AWFUL. We&#039;re mired in dysfunction and clawing our way to being the worst team in the league PERIOD. And on top of that, we&#039;re almost devoid of flexibility for the near future. This is certainly one of the &lt;strong&gt;very least desirable &lt;/strong&gt;destinations anybody could want to go for EVERY SINGLE REASON basketball players choose their destinations. On top of that, the overwhelming consensus was that Chauncey was a mediocre player that Joe was overpaying. That just happened to be one of a few moves that worked out very well in his favor.

Dude, you&#039;re fucking infuriating when you do this. I criticize very fairly and concisely for writing an absurdly premature and baffling obituary on Tayshaun, and you&#039;re fucking nowhere. You pretend it didn&#039;t happen. Then I referenced it in the postgame recap after Tayshaun accumulated 70 efficient points in three games, and you&#039;re nowhere to be found to defend your journalism. Shit happens regularly. So you don&#039;t stand by what you write when someone tries to have a conversation about it, that&#039;s annoying enough. Then you pop your head in and add the randomest, most useless little blurbs that are &lt;strong&gt;completely disconnected from reality&lt;/strong&gt;, then you&#039;re gone until the next time you chime in to spout something off that adds nothing. SMH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feldman, this is why you drive me fucking nuts sometimes. What you just said is as mindless and hollow and free of critical thinking skills as ANY joker who comes around here and spouts delusional garbage that&#8217;s not based in reality.</p>
<p>Ben Wallace came here because he wanted to retire on the team where he made a name for himself, had his best years, and probably felt the need to make amends. He is a truly unique case. FUCKING OBVIOUSLY.</p>
<p>Antonio McDyess came here THE YEAR AFTER WE WON A GODDAMN CHAMPIONSHIP. He was coming off knee surgery and had limited options anyways, but this team was the complete and total opposite environment of the team we have today. The Pistons won&#8217;t be that good again in any of our lifetimes. I&#8217;m not talking about the fucking city, Feldman. The city does us no favors, but I&#8217;m talking about the overall package, and the thought that you would sit at a keyboard and type Antonio McDyess and Ben Wallace as relevant examples of the kind of talent we could lure here with reasonable money is FUCKING LUDICROUS.</p>
<p>Chucky Atkins was a vet in the twilight of his career, was going to make the veterans&#8217; minimum regardless of where he played, and would likely have joined any team that had a . So great. Yes. BIG FUCKING DEAL that we can sign thirtysomethings who represent insurance policies. That differentiates us from NOBODY and gets us nowhere.</p>
<p>As for Chauncey: First off, you&#8217;re looking at a different team. This was back when the Dumars name might have had some luster or credibility. He just came here and was retooling someone else&#8217;s roster. He hadn&#8217;t been completely exposed as a fraud and the world hadn&#8217;t watched his team fall from grace based entirely on misevaluation and mismanagement of talent. With no accountability whatsoever. Plus, the team was merely mediocre instead of being GOD-FUCKING-AWFUL. We&#8217;re mired in dysfunction and clawing our way to being the worst team in the league PERIOD. And on top of that, we&#8217;re almost devoid of flexibility for the near future. This is certainly one of the <strong>very least desirable </strong>destinations anybody could want to go for EVERY SINGLE REASON basketball players choose their destinations. On top of that, the overwhelming consensus was that Chauncey was a mediocre player that Joe was overpaying. That just happened to be one of a few moves that worked out very well in his favor.</p>
<p>Dude, you&#8217;re fucking infuriating when you do this. I criticize very fairly and concisely for writing an absurdly premature and baffling obituary on Tayshaun, and you&#8217;re fucking nowhere. You pretend it didn&#8217;t happen. Then I referenced it in the postgame recap after Tayshaun accumulated 70 efficient points in three games, and you&#8217;re nowhere to be found to defend your journalism. Shit happens regularly. So you don&#8217;t stand by what you write when someone tries to have a conversation about it, that&#8217;s annoying enough. Then you pop your head in and add the randomest, most useless little blurbs that are <strong>completely disconnected from reality</strong>, then you&#8217;re gone until the next time you chime in to spout something off that adds nothing. SMH</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Feldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;The only free agents we will EVER get in the state that we’re in are mediocre players we’ll have to overpay&quot;

Except Ben Wallace, Chucky Atkins, Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only free agents we will EVER get in the state that we’re in are mediocre players we’ll have to overpay&#8221;</p>
<p>Except Ben Wallace, Chucky Atkins, Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She wanted to watch it. It&#039;s a good flick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She wanted to watch it. It&#8217;s a good flick!</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care about anyone&#039;s tendency to do anything. There will ALWAYS be teams with better money than ours. ALWAYS. The only free agents we will EVER get in the state that we&#039;re in are mediocre players we&#039;ll have to overpay... like Gordon and Villanueva. 100% of the time there will be a more attractive destination for ANY free agent we&#039;d like to lure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care about anyone&#8217;s tendency to do anything. There will ALWAYS be teams with better money than ours. ALWAYS. The only free agents we will EVER get in the state that we&#8217;re in are mediocre players we&#8217;ll have to overpay&#8230; like Gordon and Villanueva. 100% of the time there will be a more attractive destination for ANY free agent we&#8217;d like to lure.</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t trust Dumars to trade Tayshaun, because: Tayshaun represents a comfort zone for Joe; also, when all is said and done, whether Joe lasts long enough for the team to regain respectability (which at this point seems like an eventuality through the accumulation of a string of lottery picks), his track record is going to be checkered at best and an embarrassment at worst. Having Tayshaun spend his entire career here would be a hollow feather in his cap. These are not basketball decisions, and that is one big reason I think Joe needs a change of scenery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t trust Dumars to trade Tayshaun, because: Tayshaun represents a comfort zone for Joe; also, when all is said and done, whether Joe lasts long enough for the team to regain respectability (which at this point seems like an eventuality through the accumulation of a string of lottery picks), his track record is going to be checkered at best and an embarrassment at worst. Having Tayshaun spend his entire career here would be a hollow feather in his cap. These are not basketball decisions, and that is one big reason I think Joe needs a change of scenery.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odom would not be of great use to this Pistons team anyway. The only reason to take him would be to flip him later for some young/draft assets. The kind of assets that can often be acquired by just being a few million under the cap.

I&#039;m all for the Prince signing if and only if Dumars trades him (soon) for such assets. But I just don&#039;t trust Dumars to do that. Not because of all his past boneheaded moves, but because he failed to do that with all sorts of players recently (Prince, McGrady, Wilcox, Stuckey).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odom would not be of great use to this Pistons team anyway. The only reason to take him would be to flip him later for some young/draft assets. The kind of assets that can often be acquired by just being a few million under the cap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for the Prince signing if and only if Dumars trades him (soon) for such assets. But I just don&#8217;t trust Dumars to do that. Not because of all his past boneheaded moves, but because he failed to do that with all sorts of players recently (Prince, McGrady, Wilcox, Stuckey).</p>
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		<title>By: Ryi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I discredit everything Laser has said because he just watch American History X with his Ol lady last night.  Your personality is more predictable then a sorority college girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discredit everything Laser has said because he just watch American History X with his Ol lady last night.  Your personality is more predictable then a sorority college girl.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When West signed, most would believe that Indiana was significantly better than Detroit but hardly way better. Why? Because last season was what they had to base these things on!! And young players are even more likely to follow the money than old players. Old players are particularly likely to sacrifice money to be on a contender. Are you seriously arguing that this is not the case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When West signed, most would believe that Indiana was significantly better than Detroit but hardly way better. Why? Because last season was what they had to base these things on!! And young players are even more likely to follow the money than old players. Old players are particularly likely to sacrifice money to be on a contender. Are you seriously arguing that this is not the case?</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would be angry? I get angry when the Pistons win. This season was over so fast it made my head spin! &lt;strong&gt;Just look at the fucking company we&#039;re in!!&lt;/strong&gt;
 
New Orleans is in a complete salary-dump, &quot;for sale&quot; mode, structured entirely to have minimal future salary commitments. (Detroit doesn&#039;t have the luxury of lumping itself in this category, as our team was capped out with unmovable contracts and our payroll never changed during the ownership shift. For sale or not, those contracts weren&#039;t going anywhere, as evidenced by the fact that the only thing Joe could do to this roster in the offseason was pay Rip to leave.) And these guys are doing better than us, in more ways than one.
 
Charlotte is a complete joke of a franchise with no fanbase, and they never had very much in the way of assets in the first place. They were born to be cellar-dwellers. They&#039;re almost as much of an embarrassment as The Pistons will be for the foreseeable future, only they actually have a good defensive foundation.
 
Washington is a dysfunctional mess, but they have a team that actually &lt;strong&gt;IS &lt;/strong&gt;young, not one that just talks about how young they are to excuse their poor performance. They just dismantled a veteran team not entirely dissimilar from the Pistons&#039; in their heyday, but they started the process later and are much further ahead of us in terms of having the pieces necessary to be competitive-- and they had to get out from the atrocious Gilbert Arenas contract. They have a favorable cap structure and flexibility, which puts them miles ahead of us. By contrast, when we started to retool the roster, we had tons of assets and near-limitless flexibility.
 
So that&#039;s where we are. If any of you think the modest combined potential of Monroe, Knight and Jerebko (notice, too, how Daye&#039;s name and even Stuckey&#039;s have been drifting further and further away from the conversation) is enough to be hopeful and excited for the future of the team, I both applaud and lament your patience. Monroe is a great piece, but he probably falls short of spectacular. Knight could be great as well, but we&#039;re a ways away from projecting amazing things for him. Jerebko is a solid energy guy, of which there are plenty in the league; he just looks indispensable when compared to the roster average. This is getting really depressing.
 
I&#039;d feel so much better if Joe were just fired already so we might actually be convinced that a corner has been turned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who would be angry? I get angry when the Pistons win. This season was over so fast it made my head spin! <strong>Just look at the fucking company we&#8217;re in!!</strong><br />
 <br />
New Orleans is in a complete salary-dump, &#8220;for sale&#8221; mode, structured entirely to have minimal future salary commitments. (Detroit doesn&#8217;t have the luxury of lumping itself in this category, as our team was capped out with unmovable contracts and our payroll never changed during the ownership shift. For sale or not, those contracts weren&#8217;t going anywhere, as evidenced by the fact that the only thing Joe could do to this roster in the offseason was pay Rip to leave.) And these guys are doing better than us, in more ways than one.<br />
 <br />
Charlotte is a complete joke of a franchise with no fanbase, and they never had very much in the way of assets in the first place. They were born to be cellar-dwellers. They&#8217;re almost as much of an embarrassment as The Pistons will be for the foreseeable future, only they actually have a good defensive foundation.<br />
 <br />
Washington is a dysfunctional mess, but they have a team that actually <strong>IS </strong>young, not one that just talks about how young they are to excuse their poor performance. They just dismantled a veteran team not entirely dissimilar from the Pistons&#8217; in their heyday, but they started the process later and are much further ahead of us in terms of having the pieces necessary to be competitive&#8211; and they had to get out from the atrocious Gilbert Arenas contract. They have a favorable cap structure and flexibility, which puts them miles ahead of us. By contrast, when we started to retool the roster, we had tons of assets and near-limitless flexibility.<br />
 <br />
So that&#8217;s where we are. If any of you think the modest combined potential of Monroe, Knight and Jerebko (notice, too, how Daye&#8217;s name and even Stuckey&#8217;s have been drifting further and further away from the conversation) is enough to be hopeful and excited for the future of the team, I both applaud and lament your patience. Monroe is a great piece, but he probably falls short of spectacular. Knight could be great as well, but we&#8217;re a ways away from projecting amazing things for him. Jerebko is a solid energy guy, of which there are plenty in the league; he just looks indispensable when compared to the roster average. This is getting really depressing.<br />
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I&#8217;d feel so much better if Joe were just fired already so we might actually be convinced that a corner has been turned.</p>
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