Comments on: A case study in what happens when your young players play smarter than your veterans http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sun, 19 May 2013 22:38:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46878 gmehl1977 Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:58:24 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46878 I agree but if it came down to making the team better or a player happy then it should always be team first. Look at what LeBron, Carmello and now Dwight did with there teams. Its a business at the end of the day and Joe is employed by the Pistons not Tayshaun Prince. For example if we got offered a 1st rounder by the Oklahoma for Prince then you would do it it without even thinking about it because that is the best thing for the Pistons. You obviously voice it with the player first and see what he thinks but you can't make everyone happy. Players get over being traded and eventually realize that GMs do what they do to to put the team they are running in the best position possible. If Tay wants to retire a Piston then he will have to play up to his contract he was just given or dare i say even Joe will grow tired of his whiny a$$. He was brought back to lead the young guys and i must admit personally i think he was a bad choice to do that. He likes to play in a slow half court paced offense while it is clear that the young guys excel in a faster up tempo type game. I hope he can adjust and see what is best for the team cause 1 guy changing is easier than the whole team changing for 1 guy. I agree but if it came down to making the team better or a player happy then it should always be team first. Look at what LeBron, Carmello and now Dwight did with there teams. Its a business at the end of the day and Joe is employed by the Pistons not Tayshaun Prince. For example if we got offered a 1st rounder by the Oklahoma for Prince then you would do it it without even thinking about it because that is the best thing for the Pistons. You obviously voice it with the player first and see what he thinks but you can’t make everyone happy. Players get over being traded and eventually realize that GMs do what they do to to put the team they are running in the best position possible. If Tay wants to retire a Piston then he will have to play up to his contract he was just given or dare i say even Joe will grow tired of his whiny a$$. He was brought back to lead the young guys and i must admit personally i think he was a bad choice to do that. He likes to play in a slow half court paced offense while it is clear that the young guys excel in a faster up tempo type game. I hope he can adjust and see what is best for the team cause 1 guy changing is easier than the whole team changing for 1 guy.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46809 Max Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:51:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46809 BTW: OFF TOPIC There are indications in Hoopshype today that Kamen, who I don't want at all but others do, might be simply bought out by the hornets soon; giving him the ability to become a free agent midseason and join whoever he wants. BTW: OFF TOPIC
There are indications in Hoopshype today that Kamen, who I don’t want at all but others do, might be simply bought out by the hornets soon; giving him the ability to become a free agent midseason and join whoever he wants.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46800 Max Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:12:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46800 Though maybe the Celts don't play great team D anymore. Though maybe the Celts don’t play great team D anymore.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46799 Max Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:11:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46799 @Gordbrown.....didn't see the game but I can believe it.   I've seen games this year where great team defenses like the Celtics just stopped defending for certain stretches because they are too tired to move and they just let players go right to the basket or take open jumpers, @Gordbrown…..didn’t see the game but I can believe it.   I’ve seen games this year where great team defenses like the Celtics just stopped defending for certain stretches because they are too tired to move and they just let players go right to the basket or take open jumpers,

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46798 Max Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:09:28 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46798 I don't know why exactly that anyone should be suspicious of Prince's attitude regarding ceding his starting role as he has always been much better than his backups in the past and small forward during his time here has traditionally been the position with the least depth until the drafting of Daye, Jerebko and Summers. Prince's numbers have been down this year and he has struggled a bit with health and getting into playing shape----I think 75 to 80 percent of the league's players have so far failed to get into proper playing shape and many of them won't all season.    However, Daye and Jerebko have not yet made a great argument for themselves to beat him out yet and Frank said he would make decisions about starting roles over at least 5 game stretches so it wouldn't have made sense for him to start Daye based on a game or two.   Further, as Prince was the normal starter, I think Frank started Wilkins after Daye's 28 because he'd rather build up Daye in the role he'll probably continue to play than as a starter. I missed the 76s game, my first missed game of the year and it sounds like I was better off. I don’t know why exactly that anyone should be suspicious of Prince’s attitude regarding ceding his starting role as he has always been much better than his backups in the past and small forward during his time here has traditionally been the position with the least depth until the drafting of Daye, Jerebko and Summers.
Prince’s numbers have been down this year and he has struggled a bit with health and getting into playing shape—-I think 75 to 80 percent of the league’s players have so far failed to get into proper playing shape and many of them won’t all season.    However, Daye and Jerebko have not yet made a great argument for themselves to beat him out yet and Frank said he would make decisions about starting roles over at least 5 game stretches so it wouldn’t have made sense for him to start Daye based on a game or two.   Further, as Prince was the normal starter, I think Frank started Wilkins after Daye’s 28 because he’d rather build up Daye in the role he’ll probably continue to play than as a starter.
I missed the 76s game, my first missed game of the year and it sounds like I was better off.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46796 Max Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:59:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46796 How you treat veteran players is cultural significant to the image of the franchise and Dumars, for example trading Billups to his team of choice, reflects well on the Pistons regarding how other players can expect to be treated here.   The Bulls for instance are still suffering from certain playing holding it against them that they prematurely broke up the Bulls and treated Pippen and Phil Jackson like shit.  I for one am very happy that Isiah, Dumars and Laimbeer retired as Pistons and I would like to see Prince do so as well. How you treat veteran players is cultural significant to the image of the franchise and Dumars, for example trading Billups to his team of choice, reflects well on the Pistons regarding how other players can expect to be treated here.   The Bulls for instance are still suffering from certain playing holding it against them that they prematurely broke up the Bulls and treated Pippen and Phil Jackson like shit.  I for one am very happy that Isiah, Dumars and Laimbeer retired as Pistons and I would like to see Prince do so as well.

]]> By: Max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46795 Max Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:55:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46795 Beas is probably the worst defender in the entire league other than Eddie Curry. Beas is probably the worst defender in the entire league other than Eddie Curry.

]]> By: gordbrown http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46788 gordbrown Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:34:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46788 No secret what was going on last night. Players were tired. They looked tired, they played tired. I agree that the Pistons need to go deeper in the bench to survive this back to back to back. Unfortunately, the bench is pretty decimated with injuries. But it will be intersting to see how they react and what rotations look like. I would actually be OK to sacrifice two games to come away with at least one win. No secret what was going on last night. Players were tired. They looked tired, they played tired. I agree that the Pistons need to go deeper in the bench to survive this back to back to back. Unfortunately, the bench is pretty decimated with injuries. But it will be intersting to see how they react and what rotations look like. I would actually be OK to sacrifice two games to come away with at least one win.

]]> By: MrBlockedShot http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46787 MrBlockedShot Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:11:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46787 Last game was a miserable one, I mean ,maybe the worst game of the season. We were lost both on offense and deffense. I couldn´t belive Philly's shooters had so many open shots, again and again...I agree they´re so physical that it´s hard to score when you´re not so a talented player, but so many of our shots were open shots or layups...so it´s hard for me to buy that. However, no matter what, I think it was garbage time from second quarter on and we were luck y we didn´t get smashed for 30 points or more, cos the difference between Philly and us was abysmal on the court.  About Prince, I think he has no chemistry at all with the rest of the team on the court, neither has him this season nor last one. He only seems happy when he´s  playing 30-35 minutes, shooting 10-15 times per game and the offense almost runs through him. But we can afford that anymore. Last year he scored a lot and rebounded and played his best season in years. But someone has to realize he´s no longer the cornerstone in this team and he should take a step back. His new role shoulb be getting 20 minutes as much off the bench and helping youngsters to develop into nba caliber players. The team hasn´t missed him at all those last games and we have played probbaly our best basketball of the season. Now, he´s back again, he looks like he´s fighting alone, he´s not passing, he seems hopeless when Pistons are down and starts to get mad at himself or whoever. I hate that. Not a good reference for our youngsters, right?. I think he´s the opposite of Wallace in taking care of the youngsters. I can´t bare him when he starts complaining at everybody after shooting 30 minutes and scoring 30-35% of his shots..   Last game was a miserable one, I mean ,maybe the worst game of the season. We were lost both on offense and deffense. I couldn´t belive Philly’s shooters had so many open shots, again and again…I agree they´re so physical that it´s hard to score when you´re not so a talented player, but so many of our shots were open shots or layups…so it´s hard for me to buy that. However, no matter what, I think it was garbage time from second quarter on and we were luck y we didn´t get smashed for 30 points or more, cos the difference between Philly and us was abysmal on the court.  About Prince, I think he has no chemistry at all with the rest of the team on the court, neither has him this season nor last one. He only seems happy when he´s  playing 30-35 minutes, shooting 10-15 times per game and the offense almost runs through him. But we can afford that anymore. Last year he scored a lot and rebounded and played his best season in years. But someone has to realize he´s no longer the cornerstone in this team and he should take a step back. His new role shoulb be getting 20 minutes as much off the bench and helping youngsters to develop into nba caliber players. The team hasn´t missed him at all those last games and we have played probbaly our best basketball of the season. Now, he´s back again, he looks like he´s fighting alone, he´s not passing, he seems hopeless when Pistons are down and starts to get mad at himself or whoever. I hate that. Not a good reference for our youngsters, right?. I think he´s the opposite of Wallace in taking care of the youngsters. I can´t bare him when he starts complaining at everybody after shooting 30 minutes and scoring 30-35% of his shots..
 

]]> By: vic http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/a-case-study-in-what-happens-when-your-young-players-play-smarter-than-your-veterans/comment-page-1/#comment-46783 vic Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:59:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8781#comment-46783 I would wait until March to decide on Drummond/ Davis. Right now they are 1a/1b to me.  if you look at the systems they play in, they are actually very similar in production. They both have 3-4 double double against quality competition. I would wait until March to decide on Drummond/ Davis.
Right now they are 1a/1b to me. 

if you look at the systems they play in, they are actually very similar in production. They both have 3-4 double double against quality competition.

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