Comments on: The Pistons should be playing even faster http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sun, 19 May 2013 08:53:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Seth http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40342 Seth Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:47:11 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40342 Hey Patrick, I bought your book and I was just wondering if your chapter on Darko was a joke because there were a lot of inaccuracies in the chapter especially regarding Darko's stats. But maybe I read it wrong Hey Patrick, I bought your book and I was just wondering if your chapter on Darko was a joke because there were a lot of inaccuracies in the chapter especially regarding Darko’s stats. But maybe I read it wrong

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40306 tarsier Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:57:26 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40306 1) Yeah, he's sitting on the books now, but for less money, which could give the Pistons more flexibility depending on what else Dumars does, but worst case scenario doesn't hurt. If there was a deal right now by which Rip coulda been flipped for a worse expiring with a late first round pick, I'd be happier with that. But given tha2 I doubt that would have happened for another year, maybe not even until next season's deadline, and it's possible that by then he would have further eroded his value, I'll take this buyout for the sure thing of a small positive. If nothing else, it probably gives Knight more minutes (by letting Stuckey play more 2) which I think we can agree is valuable to Detroit. 2) I agree completely. Except that Knight is probably part of Detroit's future and he gets more PT now. And that is valuable even barring a trade. 3) I don't care if Dumars looks better or saves face or whatever for this move, I still think it improves the team. So I like it. But I absolutely agree that the logjam was his fault to begin with and I still do not approve of Joe as GM. I firmly hope he is made head of the scouting department. He seems to be above average at least at assessing talent in the draft (even if you don't look at Monroe and Knight). And that way he can stay a loved part of Pistons history without screwing up this team's future to get a couple more wins each season in the present. 1) Yeah, he’s sitting on the books now, but for less money, which could give the Pistons more flexibility depending on what else Dumars does, but worst case scenario doesn’t hurt. If there was a deal right now by which Rip coulda been flipped for a worse expiring with a late first round pick, I’d be happier with that. But given tha2 I doubt that would have happened for another year, maybe not even until next season’s deadline, and it’s possible that by then he would have further eroded his value, I’ll take this buyout for the sure thing of a small positive. If nothing else, it probably gives Knight more minutes (by letting Stuckey play more 2) which I think we can agree is valuable to Detroit.

2) I agree completely. Except that Knight is probably part of Detroit’s future and he gets more PT now. And that is valuable even barring a trade.

3) I don’t care if Dumars looks better or saves face or whatever for this move, I still think it improves the team. So I like it. But I absolutely agree that the logjam was his fault to begin with and I still do not approve of Joe as GM. I firmly hope he is made head of the scouting department. He seems to be above average at least at assessing talent in the draft (even if you don’t look at Monroe and Knight). And that way he can stay a loved part of Pistons history without screwing up this team’s future to get a couple more wins each season in the present.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40143 Dan Feldman Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:58:34 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40143 Your sixth point is an overlooked factor for a team's ideal pace, but I think it works against the Pistons. Detroit doesn't have many players who can get to the line, and Stuckey doesn't do it enough to swing my opinion. The Pistons do have, though, plenty of poor defenders who foul too often. Your sixth point is an overlooked factor for a team’s ideal pace, but I think it works against the Pistons. Detroit doesn’t have many players who can get to the line, and Stuckey doesn’t do it enough to swing my opinion. The Pistons do have, though, plenty of poor defenders who foul too often.

]]> By: BIG MARV http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40129 BIG MARV Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:25:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40129 Well it comes down to this we already know that Joe D resigned Stuckey and Tayshawn to long-term paying contracts. We all know since this happened Frank had to play the players that got paid which means they are the starters. What happens to this line-up now is that it makes it methodical, nonchanlant and slow. What Frank needs to do is create a quick line up when he sees the starting line up is getting out beaten and they are down by an astunding amount of points. He has to put the quicker and younger line up in to catch up. Thats the only way its gonna work because this starting core wont change for a while. But at least with a quicker second string line up the fans and players on the team wont be disapointed, here would be my quick/speed line up: PG: Knight/Bynum SG: Stuckey SF: Daye/Wilkins PF: Jerebko/Maxiel C:  Monroe/Macklin (depending on fouls and fatigue if Macklin replace Monroe at Center)   More exciting quicker and younger and also you have a few of the rotation guys in bynum,Wilkins, Maxiel and Macklin, im not saying rearrange the starting core. I know frank needs a line-up he can trust but this is the emergency switch in case the starters aint doing their job. Well it comes down to this we already know that Joe D resigned Stuckey and Tayshawn to long-term paying contracts. We all know since this happened Frank had to play the players that got paid which means they are the starters. What happens to this line-up now is that it makes it methodical, nonchanlant and slow. What Frank needs to do is create a quick line up when he sees the starting line up is getting out beaten and they are down by an astunding amount of points. He has to put the quicker and younger line up in to catch up. Thats the only way its gonna work because this starting core wont change for a while. But at least with a quicker second string line up the fans and players on the team wont be disapointed, here would be my quick/speed line up:
PG: Knight/Bynum
SG: Stuckey
SF: Daye/Wilkins
PF: Jerebko/Maxiel
C:  Monroe/Macklin (depending on fouls and fatigue if Macklin replace Monroe at Center)
 
More exciting quicker and younger and also you have a few of the rotation guys in bynum,Wilkins, Maxiel and Macklin, im not saying rearrange the starting core. I know frank needs a line-up he can trust but this is the emergency switch in case the starters aint doing their job.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40118 Laser Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:08:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40118 1) No idea what he could have gotten. A worse expiring contract attached to a pick? I don't know. In the right system, Rip would be a solid veteran to add to a contender in need of more scoring. And as an expiring contract, he could help somebody desperate to get under the tax line or make cap room. I'd have to look around the league to see what sorts of contracts would make sense. But the bottom line is that you can't get anything for him now. He just sits on the books this year and next.   2) Your hypothesis about increasing other players' values only works if Joe's actually looking to increase players' values and ship them off. I don't think that's the case. He'll never get enough for Gordon or Stuckey to make a trade that won't leave egg on his face. I believe Joe's vision is for Stuckey and Knight and Gordon to thrive together as one of the most dynamic guard rotations in the league, which they almost certainly won't.   3) You don't want to fault Joe D for adding by subtraction, but you've got to fault him for creating this situation in the first place, where he brought together a group of mediocre players who can't play together so he has to pay one of them to scram. And before you go patting him on the back, note that waiving rip served to save face more than anything. Joe had no choice but to do SOMETHING about this logjam to avoid the rotation issues of yesteryear, and Rip was the one that saved the most face. It probably isn't even what was best for the team, considering Gordon is a poor defender with a longer, richer contract. But to the untrained eye Joe looks LESS bad for having cut rip. 1) No idea what he could have gotten. A worse expiring contract attached to a pick? I don’t know. In the right system, Rip would be a solid veteran to add to a contender in need of more scoring. And as an expiring contract, he could help somebody desperate to get under the tax line or make cap room. I’d have to look around the league to see what sorts of contracts would make sense. But the bottom line is that you can’t get anything for him now. He just sits on the books this year and next.
 
2) Your hypothesis about increasing other players’ values only works if Joe’s actually looking to increase players’ values and ship them off. I don’t think that’s the case. He’ll never get enough for Gordon or Stuckey to make a trade that won’t leave egg on his face. I believe Joe’s vision is for Stuckey and Knight and Gordon to thrive together as one of the most dynamic guard rotations in the league, which they almost certainly won’t.
 
3) You don’t want to fault Joe D for adding by subtraction, but you’ve got to fault him for creating this situation in the first place, where he brought together a group of mediocre players who can’t play together so he has to pay one of them to scram. And before you go patting him on the back, note that waiving rip served to save face more than anything. Joe had no choice but to do SOMETHING about this logjam to avoid the rotation issues of yesteryear, and Rip was the one that saved the most face. It probably isn’t even what was best for the team, considering Gordon is a poor defender with a longer, richer contract. But to the untrained eye Joe looks LESS bad for having cut rip.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40113 tarsier Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:52:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40113 If Detroit is gonna go out and get a big, Biedrins seems like the most obvious choice. He can probably be had for approximately a ball bag, his value is almost all on the defensive end, he did once show value which could potentially be partially recovered with a change of scenery, and his acquisition would only hurt the Pistons' flexibility during the next couple years when BG and CV are under contract anyway (more of a problem if there is a plan to use amnesty clause and subsequent cap room). If Detroit is gonna go out and get a big, Biedrins seems like the most obvious choice. He can probably be had for approximately a ball bag, his value is almost all on the defensive end, he did once show value which could potentially be partially recovered with a change of scenery, and his acquisition would only hurt the Pistons’ flexibility during the next couple years when BG and CV are under contract anyway (more of a problem if there is a plan to use amnesty clause and subsequent cap room).

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40110 tarsier Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:43:42 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40110 What would Rip's contract possibly net? Expiring deals are used to bring in players who are overpaid for more years but are better players. So they can be valuable to a contender. To Detroit, the best that could be hoped for is a bad deal (a la Rashard Lewis) attached to a pick or prospect. And being partially guaranteed didn't really matter. When you can have Rip for $12.5M or not have him for $9M, that means that he is basically costing you $3.5M. He was worth that much, so most teams that would acquire him would have no reason to waive him. I just don't have any idea what you think Dumars could possibly have gotten for him. Better not to have him and get a chance at increasing other players' values by having less competition for their minutes. That was definitely addition by subtraction and not something I would fault Joe D for. What would Rip’s contract possibly net? Expiring deals are used to bring in players who are overpaid for more years but are better players. So they can be valuable to a contender. To Detroit, the best that could be hoped for is a bad deal (a la Rashard Lewis) attached to a pick or prospect. And being partially guaranteed didn’t really matter. When you can have Rip for $12.5M or not have him for $9M, that means that he is basically costing you $3.5M. He was worth that much, so most teams that would acquire him would have no reason to waive him. I just don’t have any idea what you think Dumars could possibly have gotten for him. Better not to have him and get a chance at increasing other players’ values by having less competition for their minutes. That was definitely addition by subtraction and not something I would fault Joe D for.

]]> By: Vince http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40106 Vince Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:20:01 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40106 Greg Ostertag anyone? I mean, we lost Fesenko, and aren't going after Pryzbilla, Ostertag is old but he's an upgrade over anything we have atm... Greg Ostertag anyone? I mean, we lost Fesenko, and aren’t going after Pryzbilla, Ostertag is old but he’s an upgrade over anything we have atm…

]]> By: Ty http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40055 Ty Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:22:45 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40055 Are line up should be doing this no question.  We lack size so we need to make up for that in other areas and it would improve our offense.  Not to mention it would get us to the line more and create more shots.  This offense should be run and gun like the old Phnx Suns.  Even if we sign a big, that is only one player the majority of the players would benifit from this.  I like the pick and roll, penetrate and dish too but we can't do that every play. Are line up should be doing this no question.  We lack size so we need to make up for that in other areas and it would improve our offense.  Not to mention it would get us to the line more and create more shots.  This offense should be run and gun like the old Phnx Suns.  Even if we sign a big, that is only one player the majority of the players would benifit from this.  I like the pick and roll, penetrate and dish too but we can’t do that every play.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/the-pistons-should-be-playing-even-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-40025 frankie d Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:35:58 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8355#comment-40025 not really. i've watched pryzbilla up close for the last few years here in portland and he is a shell of what he once was. he suffered a knee injury then hurt the knee again while he was rehabbing it. two surgeries, back to back on the same knee. when he came back last year, he was not the same player.  none of the qualities that made him such a good big man previously.  he was playing on one leg, basically.  which is why portland shipped him out to charlotte. i would pass.  too bad, cause he was a nice player once upon a time. not really.
i’ve watched pryzbilla up close for the last few years here in portland and he is a shell of what he once was.
he suffered a knee injury then hurt the knee again while he was rehabbing it.
two surgeries, back to back on the same knee.
when he came back last year, he was not the same player.  none of the qualities that made him such a good big man previously.  he was playing on one leg, basically.  which is why portland shipped him out to charlotte.
i would pass.  too bad, cause he was a nice player once upon a time.

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