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Rip Hamilton waived by Pistons

Perry Farrell of the Detroit Free Press:

Detroit Pistons guard Rip Hamilton is expected to be waived today, according to a personal familiar with the situation.

Hamilton is owed $22 million over the next two seasons. He was set to make $13 million this season before the lockout and $9 million next season.

First, the business aspects of this: this is a contract buyout, not the Pistons using their amnesty clause. Although the particulars of the buyout aren’t out just yet, it’s a safe assumption that the Pistons did this to save some money in the long run by not paying Hamilton the full amount he was owed. Vince Ellis of the Free Press confirms as much:

Don’t have a figure, but source says buyout considerably less than $20 million he is owed over next two years. Why amnesty wasn’t used.

The new Collective Bargaining Agreement might also play into this buyout. See the ‘Stretch Provision’ section from Larry Coon:

2005 CBA: By mutual agreement, teams can alter the payment schedule to waived players. The remaining guaranteed salary is applied to the team’s salary cap across the remaining years of the player’s contract.

2011 CBA: The player’s remaining salary and his cap hit may be stretched across twice the number of seasons remaining on the contract, plus one (for example, the salary and cap hit for a player waived with two seasons remaining may be stretched across five seasons). This is entirely at the team’s discretion, but it applies only to contracts signed under the 2011 CBA.

Who benefits? Teams with bad contracts. For example, if a team has an underperforming player with one season remaining at $12 million, the team can waive him and stretch his salary across three seasons at $4 million per season. This will help with cash flow and provide $8 million in cap relief for the current season.

* Nevermind. As Dan Feldman pointed out, the stretch provision can only be used on contracts starting this year or later, so that is not applicable here.

Now, onto the basketball side of this. Hamilton gone means those Ben Gordon fans clamoring that he’ll return to form once Hamilton is removed from the equation will get their wish. This implies that the starting shooting guard job is probably Gordon’s to lose now. It also means that the Pistons probably have no plans to use the amnesty clause on Gordon at this point, meaning the most likely candidate now, should they use it down the road, would be Charlie Villanueva.

Earlier today, Matt Dery, while writing about the Tayshaun Prince deal, had this to say:

The Pistons need Tayshaun to support the younger players and their development, and the roadblock is that Hamilton is still on the roster.

Prince referred to last season as “buffoonery” and a lot of that was based on John Kuester’s treatment of Rip.  Both sides made mistakes, but Prince knew the Kuester ship was sinking, so he remained on the SS Rip — smart move.  If Hamilton is back and is forced to share minutes again with Ben Gordon, there is nothing that Lawrence Frank can do.

I largely agree with this. Hamilton didn’t have to go for strictly basketball reasons. His fans I’m sure will continue to make the case that he’s the better basketball player still between he and Gordon. But the reports last season about his toxic attitude and its impact on the locker room trump basketball. Frank needs to start this job without a disgruntled, strong presence in the locker room, the Prince-Hamilton support system needed to be broken up, the glut of guards needed to be cleared and Hamilton himself probably needs a change to see if he’d become motivated by once again being part of a contending team. This was the right move for the Pistons.

 

30 Comments

  • Dec 9, 20116:25 pm
    by Coach_Ackley

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    Hey all of us Pistons fans need to say thank you to Rip for everything he has done for this team.. It was time to part ways but Rip still deserves some love cuz he was a GREAT Piston while he was here and there is no doubting that…..

    • Dec 9, 20116:29 pm
      by ryan

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      You’re so right Coach. Richard Hamilton has been one of my favorites because of his great work ethic, old school game, continued growth as a player… he’s been awesome and these last couple of years shouldn’t obscure how great and fun to watch he was.

    • Dec 9, 20116:46 pm
      by Jason

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      I agree and will miss him.  Above all else he was a competitor. Most didnt like his attitude last year but to me it was because his desire to win and play the game of basketball took over in a bad situation. How can you hate on that.

      • Dec 10, 201111:04 am
        by tarsier

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        Everyone has a desire to win. Nobody likes to lose. But some people behave more professionally than others in the face of bad circumstances. They’re the people we don’t call sore losers.

        But yeah, before the last 2 years, Rip was a great Piston.

  • Dec 9, 20116:25 pm
    by Cliff

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    aw man i was so dreaming of a situation where chauncey would come back, and we’ll have the 2004 team (-sheed) back…

  • Dec 9, 20116:27 pm
    by ryan

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    Well this is both a good move and a sad one. Richard Hamilton really made himself here in Detroit and he never got enough credit for how good he was and all the work he did improving his game so to see the relationship end this way is pathetic. It goes back to the completely misguided signing of Ben Gordon; we should be coming off another decent season with Hamilton and Arron Afflalo at the two guard and feeling good about that spot going forward…
     
    Instead we’re going forward with a man who is incapable as a starter and a seriously flawed back up and we’re paying him all star type money which we did when no one else would. The only positive is that we can finally give Ben Gordon enough rope to hang himself. After watching him get beat defensively every night, shoot us out of more games than he shoots us into, be unable to make plays or contribute in any way other than shooting then hopefully we’ll use the amnesty to dump him and move on from this very screwed up place.

  • Dec 9, 20116:42 pm
    by Joe Dumars

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    So much for that Rip for Taj Gibson trade. lol

    • Dec 9, 20117:48 pm
      by Youssif

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      Hardy har har. In my defense, I needed something to cling to after the last two season. My new hope: Pistons amnesty BG (p.s. this would then us both wrong — or right — since they’re not amnestying Rip but buying out his contract), sign Marc Gasol or Nene, we end up with a starting 5 of:

      1 – Will Bynum/Brandon Knight
      2. Stuckey
      3. Jonas (Tay got his payday, let him come off the bench)
      4. Monroe
      5. Gasol/Nene

      We suck this year and land a solid draft pick. Let’s get it done.

  • Dec 9, 20116:43 pm
    by omar

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    Good move for both. We didnt need Rip and he didnt deserve to be stuck here.

    I think the stretch provision only applies to new contracts though. I dont think this can be a stretch deal.

    I’m hoping Gordon stays in his role off the bench. Stuckey is not a starting PG and we already saw the Stucky backcourt fail. But a Knight-Stuckey backcourt should work, and a Stuckey-Gordon combo can work for about 16 min/gm with as the backup PG.

    Essentially it should be 3 guard rotation -

    Knight-Stuckey start. Gordon subs in for Stuckey. Knight-Gordon. Stuckey subs in for Knight. Stuckey-Gordon. Knight subs back in for Gordon.

    Basically the Isiah-Joe-VJ rotation that they can finally run now that hey have 2 guys who can play the point. They couldnt do that with Rip/BG.

    • Dec 9, 20116:46 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yep, thanks for the head’s up. Just changed that.

    • Dec 9, 20116:49 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      And as far as the rotation, four things I think out of the gate:

      - I’d be very, very surprised if Knight won the starting PG job out of an abbreviated camp. We all know Stuckey’s flaws at the position, but Frank does run a fairly complex system and it’s asking a lot of Knight to be ready to be a NBA starting PG out of the gate with no summer league or long camp/preseason to prepare.

      - What about Will Bynum?! Bynum, like Stuckey, has flaws as a player, but he’s played extremely hard, been productive and has earned a spot in the rotation by now.

      - Gordon has proven over the last two years that he does not handle the ball well enough to play the point in any capacity. He struggles bringing it up and should be looked at as strictly a shooting guard.

      - Austin Daye is going to factor in at the shooting guard spot. That might actually be his best position. He’ll have to improve his handle and work on defending perimeter players, but a 6-11 shooting guard with his stroke has incredible potential.

  • Dec 9, 20117:09 pm
    by alex

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    So this will have an effect on how much we are below the cap correct?  It should lower depending on the buyout amount?
    If yes, this could possibly lead to amnesty of charlie v and possibly put us more than 10 million below, maybe even more.  Could make a run at gasol or be able to take on salary in a trade.

  • Dec 9, 20117:36 pm
    by Saul

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    Finally! That’s all I can say. Rip is finally cut. Don’t get me wrong, I do appreciate whta he’s done for the Pistons in winning the tile and all, but this needed to happen, both for his sake and for ours.

  • Dec 9, 20117:36 pm
    by omar

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    Stuckey is going off on his twitter about not wanting to play here. Can anyone confirm its his account?

    https://scribe.twitter.com/HimOn1

    • Dec 9, 20117:58 pm
      by Youssif

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      The only photo that hints that it might be him is of a guy with big feet getting his toenails done…

      Other than that, the account was opened in July, has less than 900 followers, and has yet to say that it is confirmed. Let’s hold off before rushing to judge. 

      If it’s him though, the person tweeting seems like a giant douche with a single digit IQ… in which case, this begs to question: if it’s him, do we really want him here anymore?

      Stay tuned.

      • Dec 9, 20118:05 pm
        by Joe Dumars

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        Its his account, Vince Ellis retweeted it.

        • Dec 9, 20118:11 pm
          by omar

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          Yeah I think its him. If he wants to go I dont him anymore. We need players who want to play here. I’d try for a Stuckey-Kaman S&T

          • Dec 9, 20118:18 pm
            by Youssif

            Wow, that’s depressing. Gambled our future on the guy and he whines like a b*tch about wanting to leave Detroit. I might need a break from basketball for a while… can we have another lockout? That Chris Paul thing was pretty annoying…

      • Dec 9, 20118:34 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Thanks for the tip omar. Just posted:

        http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/unverified-rodney-stuckey-twitter-account-tweets-about-wanting-out-of-detroit/

        The account is not verified, but I am nearly 100 percent certain it’s real. Not only have Ellis and Goodwill both retweeted it in the past, but Jerebko tweeted in October that it’s really Stuckey and Keith Langlois follows it. I assume Langlois wouldn’t follow an account of a fake Piston.

         

  • Dec 9, 20117:57 pm
    by ryan

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    Looking at Patrick’s post about our rotation really, really makes me hope we can swing a deal to move Ben Gordon for a big. I’d be much happier with the three guard rotation of Will Bynum, Rodney Stuckey and Brian McKnight than one with Ben Gordon and the second two.

    Austin Daye at the two is also something we need to look at.

    • Dec 10, 201111:08 am
      by tarsier

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      Are you a Pistons fans who thinks Detroit has a player named Brian McKnight?

  • Dec 9, 20118:36 pm
    by BIG MARV

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    I agree with you Dan But I feel once this team start on a losing streak and stuckey is being typical stuckey at PG (if he resigns) I think the fans will force their hand and would want brandon Knight to start. Yeah we know frank’s gameplan is complex, but there are too many young guards out there that is starting and playing good. I beleive that they will not sit him on the bench too long but like you said mabey in the begining of the season, but his talent alone wont let him sit too long he’s a smart kid I think he will get the offense down pat soon. I think they will sign stuckey because people are intrested to see a Stuckey/Knight backcourt and Gordon has a werid complex of starting on the team If he dont start He play his balls off and when he do start he’s like a lost child in a grocery store no where to be found. But Rip had to go to make room for the new guys on the team, I give rip all the respect for giving us a “SHIP” and he deserves to chase another ring good luck to him

    • Dec 9, 20118:38 pm
      by BIG MARV

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      OOOP’s I mean Patrick

  • Dec 9, 20118:51 pm
    by vic

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    this is a really great move. This makes room for Austin Daye to  be 2 guard.. This is the only way it made sense to keep Tayshaun. It is sad to hear about Stuckey’s attitude, if that’s him.

  • Dec 9, 20119:40 pm
    by Rajan Rondo

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    Piston Fans, first off isn’t it great to have Basketball again? Anyways Everyone has rights to their own opinion, but gosh I think it’s sad how many Piston fans turned their backs on RIP HAMILTON! He came to the team to help the WIN (which he DID! 04′ Champs where he played a HUGE ROLL as well 3 strong years after that) we all have seen the pistons spiral down the past few years due to many changes but guys & gals wish this veteran player the best and let him go with respect. Rip was mad last year because of the coaching, yes some of his actions may have been dumb, but we all make mistakes. Remember he played most games with heart and piston passion to help us win! Thankfully as everyone else pointed out, now we will see some More CHANGES!:
    1 – Stuckey/Will Bynum
    2. Gordon
    3. Tay/Jonas
    4. Monroe/vill
    5. ?

    • Dec 9, 20119:44 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I don’t think anyone has turned their back on him. Most fans are grateful for his contributions. But you can acknowledge his contributions while also admitting that his petulance and poor handling of a bad situation, along with a drop in his production, helped torpedo his value.

      He seemed to want out, and deserved to be able to go somewhere he wants to play. I don’t think anyone would hold that against him.

      • Dec 9, 20119:55 pm
        by Jason

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        You really think his drop in production was under his control?

        • Dec 9, 20119:59 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          No. I didn’t say that. But how he reacted to being less productive and playing less was under his control, and it hurt his value. So if his intention was to leave, and several reporters have noted that he’s wanted out for at least the last two seasons, he didn’t do himself any favors by how he acted, even if the roster and his situation were tough. His contract, inconsistent play and attitude all made him pretty close to untradeable.

  • Dec 9, 201111:51 pm
    by sut

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    I’ll say it…. good riddance, idiot.
     
    Was one of my favorite players when the machine was running right.  When it wasn’t, RIP proved to have a love for being a douchebag that outweighed his love for the game.

  • Dec 10, 20111:54 am
    by Not4Me

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    Yes we owe a great thanks to Rip for his contributions during our championship. However, his action last season was unthinkable. I am a big fan of the Pistons, win or lose. No player is above the team and he should have known that himself. It time for the Pistons to move forward with those who want to play in Detroit! I’ll take a bunch of misfits, who want to be there and play, over super stars who put themselves before the entire team. I wish Rip the very best over the rest of his career. it is time to move on.

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