Comments on: Prepare for an onslaught of unflattering national previews of the Pistons http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 11:53:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38608 Laser Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:45:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38608 It sure must be fun to extend Joe Dumars an infinite line of credit that he can turn this mess around based on the fact that he did it once a full decade ago, paying no attention whatsoever to the fact that he made this mess all on his own. And he made it from scratch, out of an elite team with all the flexibility in the world at his disposal. It must be SO much fun! I must try it some time. It sure must be fun to extend Joe Dumars an infinite line of credit that he can turn this mess around based on the fact that he did it once a full decade ago, paying no attention whatsoever to the fact that he made this mess all on his own. And he made it from scratch, out of an elite team with all the flexibility in the world at his disposal. It must be SO much fun! I must try it some time.

]]> By: DrTed http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38594 DrTed Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:34:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38594 I <a></a>must be living in a parallel basketball universe to most.  JoeD did all he could this off-season... He got a new coach who has a better understanding of the game than the last two coaches. Coach F has a great reputation for handling men, which was a major problem with the previous three coaches.The Pistons had an outstanding draft. Brandon K is just what they needed, a non-flashy, smart guard. Macklin will give the Pistons more muscle in the paint JoeD locked up the Piston's young core for a few years. This core is arguably among the top young group of players in the league. They have great length as well as talent. JoeD get rid of the Ripper who seemingly wanted the Pistons to be his team. However, Rip never meshed well with any of the Piston's guards. He also made Ben G’s transition to Piston ball difficult…Maybe, the Ripper needs Big Shot to help him regain his touch... Joe D didnt' have very much cap room to go after a top-flight big man, so he decided to wait things out... While JoeD didn’t hit any home runs,  he has loaded the bases with singles... I must be living in a parallel basketball universe to most.  JoeD did all he could this off-season…

He got a new coach who has a better understanding of the game than the last two coaches. Coach F has a great reputation for handling men, which was a major problem with the previous three coaches.The Pistons had an outstanding draft. Brandon K is just what they needed, a non-flashy, smart guard. Macklin will give the Pistons more muscle in the paint JoeD locked up the Piston’s young core for a few years. This core is arguably among the top young group of players in the league. They have great length as well as talent.
JoeD get rid of the Ripper who seemingly wanted the Pistons to be his team. However, Rip never meshed well with any of the Piston’s guards. He also made Ben G’s transition to Piston ball difficult…Maybe, the Ripper needs Big Shot to help him regain his touch…

Joe D didnt’ have very much cap room to go after a top-flight big man, so he decided to wait things out…
While JoeD didn’t hit any home runs,  he has loaded the bases with singles…

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38589 Patrick Hayes Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:42:11 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38589 <p>Ownership didn't get a pass. Did you see Karen Davidson's public appearances at the Palace last season? The boos for her were the loudest the fans were all season.</p> <p>And further, it was her right to sell the team. It was also her right to tell the front office not to take on more salary. I don't blame Dumars for everything, but the fact is, if he hadn't pushed for the expensive signings of Villanueva, Gordon and Hamilton, he would've had a lot more freedom to make moves the last two seasons. He couldn't add salary because players he identified and required capped the team out and complicated matters by seriously under-performing.</p> Ownership didn’t get a pass. Did you see Karen Davidson’s public appearances at the Palace last season? The boos for her were the loudest the fans were all season.

And further, it was her right to sell the team. It was also her right to tell the front office not to take on more salary. I don’t blame Dumars for everything, but the fact is, if he hadn’t pushed for the expensive signings of Villanueva, Gordon and Hamilton, he would’ve had a lot more freedom to make moves the last two seasons. He couldn’t add salary because players he identified and required capped the team out and complicated matters by seriously under-performing.

]]> By: rick77 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38587 rick77 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:28:34 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38587 That is the problem I have with assertions like this one. We have two opinions and we are suppose to take it as gospel. The NBA is a players league and its up to management to get right coach around to massage those egos. Chuck Daly said that, and I am more apt to belive what a Hall of Fame coach has to say rather than some columinist that falls in line with someone else's thinking instead of their own.  The perfect storm happened and we have to deal with it.  Billionaire Owner dies , wife doesnt want Joe to make any moves that would hinder her sale, restricts Joe from taking on Boozer, and then we are sold(thats not including paying off Larry Brown and Flip Saunders probably Curry and Kuester as well.The thing that makes me laugh the most in here is that Joe is GM not the owner. The last time I checked my manager does not sign my checks, but the owner does. How does ownership get a pass throughout all of this,and Joe the blame?. That is the problem I have with assertions like this one. We have two opinions and we are suppose to take it as gospel. The NBA is a players league and its up to management to get right coach around to massage those egos. Chuck Daly said that, and I am more apt to belive what a Hall of Fame coach has to say rather than some columinist that falls in line with someone else’s thinking instead of their own. 

The perfect storm happened and we have to deal with it.  Billionaire Owner dies , wife doesnt want Joe to make any moves that would hinder her sale, restricts Joe from taking on Boozer, and then we are sold(thats not including paying off Larry Brown and Flip Saunders probably Curry and Kuester as well.The thing that makes me laugh the most in here is that Joe is GM not the owner. The last time I checked my manager does not sign my checks, but the owner does. How does ownership get a pass throughout all of this,and Joe the blame?.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38574 tarsier Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:17:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38574 Right, cuz when someone has a decent big to get rid of, the Pistons will be anywhere close to their only possible trade partner. Right, cuz when someone has a decent big to get rid of, the Pistons will be anywhere close to their only possible trade partner.

]]> By: apa8ren9 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38572 apa8ren9 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:31:04 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38572 If the pistons come close to winning 33 games I will consider it a successful season.  This year Joe will evaluate Gordon and if he doesnt produce under the new coach he is gone .   I think we will have suck it up on Villenueva's contract.  And I was a big supporter of signing him.  Joe is doing this right.  Let the other teams panic and come running to us looking to offload a decent big.  Unfortunately bigs are at a PREMIUM (see Kwame Brown's contract).  So we have to bide our time and let one shake loose If the pistons come close to winning 33 games I will consider it a successful season.  This year Joe will evaluate Gordon and if he doesnt produce under the new coach he is gone .   I think we will have suck it up on Villenueva’s contract.  And I was a big supporter of signing him.  Joe is doing this right.  Let the other teams panic and come running to us looking to offload a decent big.  Unfortunately bigs are at a PREMIUM (see Kwame Brown’s contract).  So we have to bide our time and let one shake loose

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38571 Sebastian Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:35:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38571 It is no secret that OUR Pistons are extremely soft and non-threatening to opposing teams in the middle. Also, there is much hype, as there perhaps should be, about prospects who may be available in the 2012 Draft. So given these two realities, why doesn't Joe get the Maloof brothers on the phone and present them with the following offer: Charlie V. and OUR 2012 1st Round Pick for DeMarcus Cousins. The Kings would get second 1st round draft pick and a player who can score on most nights. The Pistons would get a player in the middle, who has an attitude that would play extremely well with Monroe. It is no secret that OUR Pistons are extremely soft and non-threatening to opposing teams in the middle.
Also, there is much hype, as there perhaps should be, about prospects who may be available in the 2012 Draft.
So given these two realities, why doesn’t Joe get the Maloof brothers on the phone and present them with the following offer: Charlie V. and OUR 2012 1st Round Pick for DeMarcus Cousins.
The Kings would get second 1st round draft pick and a player who can score on most nights.
The Pistons would get a player in the middle, who has an attitude that would play extremely well with Monroe.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38559 Jeremy Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:13:44 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38559 Is it me, or have the Pistons always been viewed negatively in the national spotlight? I'm not saying that it isn't justified based on the previous few seasons and the current roster, but I don't recall them being favored by national pugnets to do much over the past decade or so. The fact of the matter is this, Tay and Stuckey have too much talent to just walk way without getting anything in return. You can't live on the hope that not resigning two of your players will mean you have a shot at a big name free agent the next year. Money talks in free agency, but in today's league so does the make up of a team's roster. Yes, every armchair GM can come up with 50 different trade scenarios that work financially, but it takes two to tango. Joe has maintained since day one that he wasn't going to trade away players just for the purpose of doing so. He wants talent in return and it is up to other GMs to give that up and agree to it. Is it me, or have the Pistons always been viewed negatively in the national spotlight? I’m not saying that it isn’t justified based on the previous few seasons and the current roster, but I don’t recall them being favored by national pugnets to do much over the past decade or so.

The fact of the matter is this, Tay and Stuckey have too much talent to just walk way without getting anything in return. You can’t live on the hope that not resigning two of your players will mean you have a shot at a big name free agent the next year. Money talks in free agency, but in today’s league so does the make up of a team’s roster.

Yes, every armchair GM can come up with 50 different trade scenarios that work financially, but it takes two to tango. Joe has maintained since day one that he wasn’t going to trade away players just for the purpose of doing so. He wants talent in return and it is up to other GMs to give that up and agree to it.

]]> By: lartrand http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38558 lartrand Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:12:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38558 what i think many people forget is the pistons have a NEW coach an this will truly show what we have as talent. Joe mistakes have been with his optmistic coaching hires but talent of players have been much better. many of you that agree with carefoot will eat your words just wait and see! what i think many people forget is the pistons have a NEW coach an this will truly show what we have as talent. Joe mistakes have been with his optmistic coaching hires but talent of players have been much better. many of you that agree with carefoot will eat your words just wait and see!

]]> By: Haan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-unflattering-national-previews-of-the-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-38556 Haan Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:44:01 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8154#comment-38556 After years of ineffectual moves, it's, oddly, too early to tell how Joe's doing in his current rebuilding job.  I'm hoping Monroe and Knight will prove to be genuine cornerstones, rather than just good.   Joe negotiated a reasonable contract with Prince, except for giving him a year too many.  Still, that's the move that gives me most pause.  If Prince plays well enough for the Pistons to be mediocre, you're losing your best shot at what you need most: a star big.  If the team goes south, you've got a chance for your big in the draft, but you may need to cope with a sour Prince as you struggle to emerge from the ashes.  Ideally, Prince not only plays well but demonstrates the "right way" to the youngsters.   But what are the odds? After years of ineffectual moves, it’s, oddly, too early to tell how Joe’s doing in his current rebuilding job.  I’m hoping Monroe and Knight will prove to be genuine cornerstones, rather than just good.   Joe negotiated a reasonable contract with Prince, except for giving him a year too many.  Still, that’s the move that gives me most pause.  If Prince plays well enough for the Pistons to be mediocre, you’re losing your best shot at what you need most: a star big.  If the team goes south, you’ve got a chance for your big in the draft, but you may need to cope with a sour Prince as you struggle to emerge from the ashes.  Ideally, Prince not only plays well but demonstrates the “right way” to the youngsters.   But what are the odds?

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