Comments on: Kyrylo Fesenko signs with Warriors http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 21 May 2013 03:10:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39689 gmehl1977 Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:54:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39689 You beat me to it Vic. This is exactly what i think Joe's intentions are and i am both sad and happy about it. I just want our guys to compete every game and if that amounts to Drummond or Davis then so be it. You beat me to it Vic. This is exactly what i think Joe’s intentions are and i am both sad and happy about it. I just want our guys to compete every game and if that amounts to Drummond or Davis then so be it.

]]> By: Pete http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39683 Pete Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:58:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39683 I was thinking about Whiteside too or maybe Jason Thompson. I think Dumars might be waiting around for Kaman though. I was thinking about Whiteside too or maybe Jason Thompson. I think Dumars might be waiting around for Kaman though.

]]> By: druhouse http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39677 druhouse Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:51:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39677 I prefer the Vanilla Gorilla. I prefer the Vanilla Gorilla.

]]> By: jake http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39673 jake Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:24:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39673 i'd like dumars to look into trading for hassan whiteside. he could be a deandre jordan type of player, but he's not getting much of a chance in sacramento. i’d like dumars to look into trading for hassan whiteside. he could be a deandre jordan type of player, but he’s not getting much of a chance in sacramento.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39661 frankie d Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:02:13 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39661 who knows why he didn't go to miami. anything any poster says is sheer speculation. i know what i know about individual players from watching basketball players play on the court. that is how i make my assessment of players.  if i haven't seen them or haven't seen them enough, i won't speculate on what kind of player they are. i've seen fesenko play plenty of times.  he is a good role player who played for one of the toughest coaches in the league - jerry sloan - a guy who demanded that his big guys play tough or else they wouldn't play. that is exactly the quality the pistons need now. and the idea that you can determine a player's value from the relative size of their contracts is ...sorry, but kind of dumb. anyone who follows the nba should know that. charlie v at over 7 million? another power forward, brandon bass, makes 4 million and i know which player i'd rather have. kwame at 7 million?  i'd rather have jason collins at a little over 1 million. guys get contracts of various sizes for all sorts of reasons, most of them having nothing to do with their quality as an nba player.  timing, their agent, a gm having a crush on them, wanting to stay in a particular market...plenty of possible reasons. (what detroit fans got spoiled about was the team's salary structure during the best years, where every player was actually paid according to their value and contribution.  they had an amazingly solid salary structure that actually reflected the relative value of each player.  those days are long gone now.) and i would never have given fesenko the full MLE.  but i certainly would have given him more than the 1.07 million he got from GS.  even doubling it to 2 million would have been a good deal, considering what he would have brought to the team. who knows why he didn’t go to miami.
anything any poster says is sheer speculation.
i know what i know about individual players from watching basketball players play on the court. that is how i make my assessment of players.  if i haven’t seen them or haven’t seen them enough, i won’t speculate on what kind of player they are.
i’ve seen fesenko play plenty of times.  he is a good role player who played for one of the toughest coaches in the league – jerry sloan – a guy who demanded that his big guys play tough or else they wouldn’t play.
that is exactly the quality the pistons need now.
and the idea that you can determine a player’s value from the relative size of their contracts is …sorry, but kind of dumb.
anyone who follows the nba should know that.
charlie v at over 7 million? another power forward, brandon bass, makes 4 million and i know which player i’d rather have.
kwame at 7 million?  i’d rather have jason collins at a little over 1 million.
guys get contracts of various sizes for all sorts of reasons, most of them having nothing to do with their quality as an nba player.  timing, their agent, a gm having a crush on them, wanting to stay in a particular market…plenty of possible reasons.
(what detroit fans got spoiled about was the team’s salary structure during the best years, where every player was actually paid according to their value and contribution.  they had an amazingly solid salary structure that actually reflected the relative value of each player.  those days are long gone now.)
and i would never have given fesenko the full MLE.  but i certainly would have given him more than the 1.07 million he got from GS.  even doubling it to 2 million would have been a good deal, considering what he would have brought to the team.

]]> By: vic http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39660 vic Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:57:06 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39660 I'd hate to dis Joe, but I'd have to say I am growing frustrated too... For us to miss out on all the Centers including Fesenko, then let Benson hang out there - when that's our biggest problem. Just doesn't make sense. The only thing I can say is maybe he's trying to "tank without tanking" and let this season fail for a high draft pick. Its probably easier to tank as a gm than have the players tank on the court. It does the Pistons no good to finish #10 in the East, miss the playoffs, and end up with a #7-10 draft pick. Maybe he sees the handwriting on the wall and realizes the only way for Detroit to get talent is through the draft. Maybe he sees Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond in the near future, and has no intentions of spending money to miss the playoffs. Maybe he just wants to see development in what he has, and hope for a high draft pick. I’d hate to dis Joe, but I’d have to say I am growing frustrated too… For us to miss out on all the Centers including Fesenko, then let Benson hang out there – when that’s our biggest problem. Just doesn’t make sense.

The only thing I can say is maybe he’s trying to “tank without tanking” and let this season fail for a high draft pick. Its probably easier to tank as a gm than have the players tank on the court.

It does the Pistons no good to finish #10 in the East, miss the playoffs, and end up with a #7-10 draft pick. Maybe he sees the handwriting on the wall and realizes the only way for Detroit to get talent is through the draft. Maybe he sees Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond in the near future, and has no intentions of spending money to miss the playoffs. Maybe he just wants to see development in what he has, and hope for a high draft pick.

]]> By: Pete http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39657 Pete Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:40:23 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39657 Man what is Joe D doing? This team is so weirdly put together its frustrating. Just about EVERY sports blog or website that talks about NBA basketball says the same thing about the Pistons(NO DIRECTION..) One TRUE big and hes NOT athletic. JJ, Daye, CV(yes hes more small forward than PF), Maxiell(he's done..Joe D face it), Big Ben(I feel bad for him because he should be playing as many minutes as hes probably gonna play) and Macklin(I think he should be in the rotation soon). I'll always remain a Pistons fan and WAS a Joe D supporter but it just doesnt seem like he has a plan. NO true shooting guards, a bunch hybrid forwards and no true go to scorer. Out of those available Big I would atleast try Earl Barron or maybe Keith Benson. I think where the Pistons are gonna be picking in next years draft the good big men are gonna be gone and we dont need another wing or point guard. I dont wanna start the FIRE DUMARS chants but after the Pistons start losing a bunch of games and the team stands pat its gonna happen.. Man what is Joe D doing? This team is so weirdly put together its frustrating. Just about EVERY sports blog or website that talks about NBA basketball says the same thing about the Pistons(NO DIRECTION..) One TRUE big and hes NOT athletic. JJ, Daye, CV(yes hes more small forward than PF), Maxiell(he’s done..Joe D face it), Big Ben(I feel bad for him because he should be playing as many minutes as hes probably gonna play) and Macklin(I think he should be in the rotation soon). I’ll always remain a Pistons fan and WAS a Joe D supporter but it just doesnt seem like he has a plan. NO true shooting guards, a bunch hybrid forwards and no true go to scorer. Out of those available Big I would atleast try Earl Barron or maybe Keith Benson. I think where the Pistons are gonna be picking in next years draft the good big men are gonna be gone and we dont need another wing or point guard. I dont wanna start the FIRE DUMARS chants but after the Pistons start losing a bunch of games and the team stands pat its gonna happen..

]]> By: rick77 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39655 rick77 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:25:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39655 Not really hating your assessment but I haveto agre with the above posters about everyone else probably not wanting him after doing their homework. You know he could have went to Miami,but he did not and that should be a big indicator of what he really is as a player. Plus Kwame got 7million and he barely recieved a 1million. That alone says to me he has to earn his way back into a regular rotation before spending something like a mid level on the guy. I am mad about some of Joe's moves but this would have probably been bad in hindsight. He will get it back together . We Piston fans are spoiled period point blank, and have to be happy that we are turning a new leaf.We had it good for quite some time before the last couple years. Give it some time and we will all see the improvements. Not really hating your assessment but I haveto agre with the above posters about everyone else probably not wanting him after doing their homework. You know he could have went to Miami,but he did not and that should be a big indicator of what he really is as a player. Plus Kwame got 7million and he barely recieved a 1million. That alone says to me he has to earn his way back into a regular rotation before spending something like a mid level on the guy. I am mad about some of Joe’s moves but this would have probably been bad in hindsight. He will get it back together . We Piston fans are spoiled period point blank, and have to be happy that we are turning a new leaf.We had it good for quite some time before the last couple years. Give it some time and we will all see the improvements.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39654 frankie d Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:24:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39654 fesenko is not a great shotblocker but he was a decent one. his utah role didn't allow him to "dominate" the boards.  he played the role that ricky mahorn played with detroit.  mahorn was the immovable force that took up space and kept offensive rebounders away from the boards simply by being so big and strong.  and while he was there, keeping guys away from the boards with his size and strength, laimbeer and rodman and salley would go after the rebounds.  they'd get the numbers, but his role was just as essential. fesenko did the same thing when he was on the floor.  he took up space, while boozer and millsap and and okur  kirolenko went after the boards and got the numbers. his biggest negative offensively is that he would occasionally try to get cute and do too much.  he'd try a dipsy-do move near the basket, when he should have been simply powering the ball to the rim.  that is when his "clumsiness" would be an issue.  he actually had a decent face-up jumper out to the free throw line, though his size and strength and ability to get the ball off the boards meant that he spent most of his time right near the basket.   fortunately, he played for jerry sloan for most of his career, which meant that he played the way jerry wanted him to play or he didn't get on the court.  that meant playing defense, playing very physical basketball and limiting the cute offensive moves that would get him in trouble.  anyone who watched utah play knows that utah played no-nonsense basketball under sloan.   as a west coast piston fan who suffers from insomnia, i watched plenty of jazz games late into the night. fesenko would have been a nice addition to the pistons.  his size and strength would keep teams from dominating the boards, when he was on the court.   with him playing 25 minutes, ben playing 12-15 minutes and monroe swinging into the 5 spot the rest of the time, the pistons could have gone a long way towards filling the defensive hole in the middle that has become so obvious. joe's refusal to even try to fill that hole is something i'd like to see a local sportswriter discuss with him. i would truly like to know what his logic is... fesenko is not a great shotblocker but he was a decent one.
his utah role didn’t allow him to “dominate” the boards.  he played the role that ricky mahorn played with detroit.  mahorn was the immovable force that took up space and kept offensive rebounders away from the boards simply by being so big and strong.  and while he was there, keeping guys away from the boards with his size and strength, laimbeer and rodman and salley would go after the rebounds.  they’d get the numbers, but his role was just as essential.
fesenko did the same thing when he was on the floor.  he took up space, while boozer and millsap and and okur  kirolenko went after the boards and got the numbers.
his biggest negative offensively is that he would occasionally try to get cute and do too much.  he’d try a dipsy-do move near the basket, when he should have been simply powering the ball to the rim.  that is when his “clumsiness” would be an issue.  he actually had a decent face-up jumper out to the free throw line, though his size and strength and ability to get the ball off the boards meant that he spent most of his time right near the basket.  
fortunately, he played for jerry sloan for most of his career, which meant that he played the way jerry wanted him to play or he didn’t get on the court.  that meant playing defense, playing very physical basketball and limiting the cute offensive moves that would get him in trouble.  anyone who watched utah play knows that utah played no-nonsense basketball under sloan.   as a west coast piston fan who suffers from insomnia, i watched plenty of jazz games late into the night.
fesenko would have been a nice addition to the pistons.  his size and strength would keep teams from dominating the boards, when he was on the court.  
with him playing 25 minutes, ben playing 12-15 minutes and monroe swinging into the 5 spot the rest of the time, the pistons could have gone a long way towards filling the defensive hole in the middle that has become so obvious.
joe’s refusal to even try to fill that hole is something i’d like to see a local sportswriter discuss with him.
i would truly like to know what his logic is…

]]> By: Richard http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/comment-page-1/#comment-39651 Richard Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:47:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/kyrylo-fesenko-signs-with-warriors/#comment-39651 I say try benson... He was in the camp and getting him for cheap isn't bad too!! I say try benson… He was in the camp and getting him for cheap isn’t bad too!!

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